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Title: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 01, 2016, 03:16:09 PM
Of the C.202 kills for the last tour are all minez.   <self-promoting stats geek alert>  :banana:

Had 90%, but some hornswogglin' bushwhackin' cracker-croaker snuck a kill in there on the last day. 


Probably filled in the C.202 checkbox on "Kill Every Plane In The Game" for quite a few lucky noobs.  :neener:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Brooke on June 01, 2016, 03:47:52 PM
 :aok
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Devil 505 on June 01, 2016, 03:50:16 PM
 :rock
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: oakranger on June 02, 2016, 12:20:04 AM
Good job.  Try that in a D-25 jug.   :bolt:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: lyric1 on June 02, 2016, 03:10:32 AM
D3A1 Best killer in early war with 37.2% of all kills last tour.  :D

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: hgtonyvi on June 02, 2016, 04:32:46 AM
The storch beats everything.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 02, 2016, 05:19:39 AM
D3A1 Best killer in early war with 37.2% of all kills last tour.  :D

Early War looks like a Battle Royale with the Hall Of Shades set.   D3A killing B25Cs by the bushel. 

Check out the P-40C too.  K/D is 12/0.  The same two guys killing each other's Hurri IICs. 
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 02, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
Nice dude. Those types of personal AH challenges are the best.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 02, 2016, 09:41:30 AM
If you want a real challenge, fly a competitive plane for a tour...

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Shuffler on June 02, 2016, 11:38:24 AM
If you want a real challenge, fly a competitive plane for a tour...

Flying a older model is more competitive.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: JunkyII on June 02, 2016, 12:26:47 PM
Flying any plane for a tour is hard...get too bored. Don't know how some of you just fly one ride.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 02, 2016, 01:04:47 PM
Flying a older model is more competitive.

Do you mean challenging?

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: wil3ur on June 02, 2016, 01:15:58 PM
I did mostly Yak3 for a tour here a few months back, not something I'd ever really flown.  I was surprised how fun that thing was once you get the feel of it.  Thinking about doing a 38G tour here soon, but right now I'm back onto G2's and G6's trying to stay sharp for the scenario.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: JunkyII on June 02, 2016, 02:26:28 PM
Do you mean challenging?
You have a point there is a difference, if you fly a Higher end ride you should be more competitive in fighter score
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 02, 2016, 02:26:56 PM
Don't know how some of you just fly one ride.

Because it's fun.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: JunkyII on June 02, 2016, 02:28:56 PM
Because it's fun.
I'm sure it is for you, I just don't have that attention span...got to keep the body guessing...wish there was a random button that would select a plane from an approved list by users.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Bizman on June 02, 2016, 02:39:16 PM
For a fighter I've mostly been flying the G-6, 100% with the gondolas, for the last decade or more. Boring? I wouldn't say. Since I only seem to have time and interest to fly a couple of hours in the weekend my learning curve has been ve-e-e-ery shallow. Actually, my developing as a cartoon pilot reminds me of the math quiz about the snail, climbing a pole two feet a day and oozing back one and a half each night, the question being how many needles does an average Christmas tree have.

However, every now and then I encounter someone who has just begun his adventurous journey with a new plane. Thank you and your likes for the kills, shooting a higher ranked plane down is good for my fighting moral.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: RSLQK186 on June 02, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
Flying any plane for a tour is hard...get too bored. Don't know how some of you just fly one ride.
Tried most of them. Worked with pros in squad and DA to understand some better. Only three ever felt right in my hands. Niki for 2 years. Hurri IIC for 5 years and Mossi6 for 4 1/2. Would have stayed with the Hurricane but it felt off after updating. Turned out the Mossi was a better fit anyway.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 02, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
If you want a real challenge, fly a competitive plane for a tour...

That plane doesn't seem challenging to you?
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 02, 2016, 06:38:05 PM
I'm sure it is for you, I just don't have that attention span...got to keep the body guessing...wish there was a random button that would select a plane from an approved list by users.

I guess it's got to due with the fighter plane that I've chosen to fly exclusively.  I'm sure if I had picked a Spitfire, Bf 109, FW 190 or something like the La7 or P-51D, I would have grown quickly bored.  With the P-38, there is no boredom for me, every fight is a challenge no matter how easy I make it seem to fly.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 03, 2016, 12:10:57 AM
That plane doesn't seem challenging to you?

I think you're simultaneously limiting your personal ACM growth and giving yourself a very comfortable time from a sports psychology perspective only flying such planes.



Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 03, 2016, 05:19:32 AM
I think you're simultaneously limiting your personal ACM growth and giving yourself a very comfortable time from a sports psychology perspective only flying such planes.

OK, Dr. Katz: how would flying better planes make one better at ACM - and why are you troubled by my plane choices?
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: waystin2 on June 03, 2016, 07:47:00 AM
WTG. The 202 is a fun ride. 
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Zoney on June 03, 2016, 08:23:29 AM
I think you're simultaneously limiting your personal ACM growth and giving yourself a very comfortable time from a sports psychology perspective only flying such planes.

I disagree 100%.  I guess it's maybe just the perspective.  I think he has found a fresh challenge, one that is not disruptive to the game.  One that adds to the game by putting a bird up for everyone to interact with that they do not see very often.  I am glad he shared this with the community to illustrate the multiple dimensions available to all that play.

Frankly, I am at a loss to understand how anyone could find something negative to say about the OP.

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: puller on June 03, 2016, 09:28:32 AM
Had a 202 pilot kill me the other day in a 152 that I had gotten too slow in...wasn't you though snuggie...sorry  :neener:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Zacherof on June 03, 2016, 10:50:33 AM
I'm sure it is for you, I just don't have that attention span...got to keep the body guessing...wish there was a random button that would select a plane from an approved list by users.
Good wish list item....
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: JunkyII on June 03, 2016, 11:37:31 AM
Good wish list item....
They don't listen to me over there :D

I guess it's got to due with the fighter plane that I've chosen to fly exclusively.  I'm sure if I had picked a Spitfire, Bf 109, FW 190 or something like the La7 or P-51D, I would have grown quickly bored.  With the P-38, there is no boredom for me, every fight is a challenge no matter how easy I make it seem to fly.
P38 low and in turn fights are a challenge but the way most people fly them they are closer to F4Us and P51s in difficulty to fly in the MA.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 03, 2016, 01:48:26 PM
Frankly, I am at a loss to understand how anyone could find something negative to say about the OP.

Negative?


OK, Dr. Katz: how would flying better planes make one better at ACM - and why are you troubled by my plane choices?

A probably sarcastic question sandwiched between a cartoonesque insult and an implication that I would be beset by problems or difficulties over your plane choice. So which is it, my remarks were not in accordance with your narrow expectation for this thread or they resonated?

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 03, 2016, 02:28:39 PM
I disagree 100%.  I guess it's maybe just the perspective.  I think he has found a fresh challenge, one that is not disruptive to the game.  One that adds to the game by putting a bird up for everyone to interact with that they do not see very often.  I am glad he shared this with the community to illustrate the multiple dimensions available to all that play.

Frankly, I am at a loss to understand how anyone could find something negative to say about the OP.

 :cheers:


Maybe because it's another "look at me" thread?   I've never fought or spoken to the guy, so who knows?  :headscratch:



A probably sarcastic question sandwiched between a cartoonesque insult and an implication that I would be beset by problems or difficulties over your plane choice. So which is it, my remarks were not in accordance with your narrow expectation for this thread or they resonated?


If you could dispense with the obfuscation and just get to the point, maybe I would know what you're getting at.   Your replies twice made reference to what I'm flying as being somehow un-challenging.   Not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that, except as thinly veiled derision.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 03, 2016, 09:34:07 PM
I always believed what Grizz said:  You can mask a great deal of suck in ACM by killing quickly.  Lethality is increased exponentially by accuracy of fire.  Learn to shoot first and fly later.  If you get really great at shooting, you'll never need to get that great at flying, hahaha

I never learned either...
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 03, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
I always believed what Grizz said:  You can mask a great deal of suck in ACM by killing quickly.  Lethality is increased exponentially by accuracy of fire.  Learn to shoot first and fly later.  If you get really great at shooting, you'll never need to get that great at flying, hahaha

I never learned either...

The thread is just about flying a plane that most people don't.   More than a few pilots could do much better, but the world may never know.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 04, 2016, 02:06:30 AM
Not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that, except as thinly veiled derision.

Finding only complimentary comments acceptable it pretty much the definition of a look-at-me thread imho.

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 04, 2016, 07:13:20 AM
Finding only complimentary comments acceptable it pretty much the definition of a look-at-me thread imho.


I find criticism perfectly acceptable, with good reason.  But you still haven't clarified what your problem with me is.   

It appears that you're not going to.  This is like The Da Vinci Code of thread griefing.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 04, 2016, 07:45:49 AM
It is a look-at-me thread but, that said, I'm looking at a guy who manages C202 kills, and that requires skill.

Besides, isn't it the kind of behavior that's worth encouraging? Any bunghole can up a late-war uber ride and do a passably decent job. Things get a lot more fun when there's more that just 425 mph cannon birds out there.

Fly junk. It's fun.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 04, 2016, 08:06:38 AM
The thread is just about flying a plane that most people don't.   More than a few pilots could do much better, but the world may never know.

And what Grizz said applies...you can appear to be very skilled (and have a lot of fun), even in planes you don't fly often if you can kill quickly with them. 

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 04, 2016, 08:08:15 AM
It is a look-at-me thread but, that said, I'm looking at a guy who manages C202 kills, and that requires skill.

Besides, isn't it the kind of behavior that's worth encouraging? Any bunghole can up a late-war uber ride and do a passably decent job. Things get a lot more fun when there's more that just 425 mph cannon birds out there.

Fly junk. It's fun.

Dodger has been doing the 202 thing for years.  Even though this thread is a "woot-me" yob, Dodger owns the 202.  Check the stats for 2014
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Kanth on June 04, 2016, 08:47:36 AM

Well..Except that one guy.

Besides, isn't it the kind of behavior that's worth encouraging? Any bunghole can up a late-war uber ride and do a passably decent job.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 04, 2016, 09:24:25 AM
The 202 is challenging in the MA. It's slow, the guns suck, the views suck, you can't just zoom around clubbing seals. You gotta get in here and really shoot some planes. It's only ability that is useful is its turn rate. I gotta agree with caldera and Zoney on this one. Not really sure what the arguement is here. I wish more people would fly early war planes and attempt to be successful in them. This is how you challenge yourself and get better. With all the 25K P51 pilots and 190D pilots, we could use more early war planes floating around. The C202 is a fun plane, but in no way is it not challenging in the MA. Hell even one of the scenarios I played in with a C202. It took hundreds of sprites on a FM2 to take down the bastage. Then because of that, you had to worry about getting picked easily, or ganged. When your bullets suck it can make the game much harder to get kills and live without getting ganged all the time.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 04, 2016, 09:31:56 AM
And what Grizz said applies...you can appear to be very skilled (and have a lot of fun), even in planes you don't fly often if you can kill quickly with them.

No mention of skill was made or inferred in the OP.   For all anyone knows, my deaths could have quadrupled my kills. 
But the fact that one person can get almost all of the kills in one plane model is somehow silly, don't you think? 
 
The C.202 is very fun to fly and makes for the best 1v1 DA fights IMO.  And you are right about Dodger.  He is very good in the 202, but better in the F6F.   He always kills me.



The 202 is challenging in the MA. It's slow, the guns suck, the views suck, you can't just zoom around clubbing seals. You gotta get in here and really shoot some planes. It's only ability that is useful is its turn rate. I gotta agree with caldera and Zoney on this one. Not really sure what the arguement is here. I wish more people would fly early war planes and attempt to be successful in them. This is how you challenge yourself and get better. With all the 25K P51 pilots and 190D pilots, we could use more early war planes floating around. The C202 is a fun plane, but in no way is it not challenging in the MA. Hell even one of the scenarios I played in with a C202. It took hundreds of sprites on a FM2 to take down the bastage. Then because of that, you had to worry about getting picked easily, or ganged. When your bullets suck it can make the game much harder to get kills and live without getting ganged all the time.

What he said.




And to those joining us late, this is most assuredly a "look at me" thread.
   
The disclaimer in the first post : "<self-promoting stats geek alert>" should have been a dead give away.   :D
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Lusche on June 04, 2016, 10:01:11 AM
You had more then twice the number of MA kills in the 202 last tour than me in all of my 10 years of flying (41 kills = 0.06% of all my LW/Old MA kills in fighters) :D

 :cheers:

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 04, 2016, 12:16:53 PM
No mention of skill was made or inferred in the OP.   For all anyone knows, my deaths could have quadrupled my kills. 
But the fact that one person can get almost all of the kills in one plane model is somehow silly, don't you think? 

Oh skill was inferred.  It may have been subconscious but it was inferred.  As Shida alluded, youre simply diluting it now. 

And no, because Dodger (and many many more before him) has been doing it forever, it isn't silly that one guy got most of the kills in one plane model.  Even if it was a bit silly, it certainly would not merit posting here. 

Wait, unless you won fighters for the tour flying the 202 exclusively...that would demand a posting here.  Anything else is self-licking.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 04, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
I find criticism perfectly acceptable, with good reason.

Yes indeed, that's why your first reply to my (actually impersonal) comments contained insult and sarcasm (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8443/crazy6.gif)


It appears that you're not going to.

Yeah you're bloody right I'm not. You can talk to the hand.

Woe betide the person that responds 'incorrectly' in a (logically flawed) look at me thread to discuss plane and pilot combination as it pertains to ACM in an air combat game / simulator. Should be a forum rule against it. I have to say I find interacting with some forum members increasingly difficult and unrewarding. Your peculiar arrangement of ego and logic is bewildering, disingenuous and bizzare. Your reception to unanticipated comments (in an ostensibly free-discussion forum) overly defensive, abrasive, irrational and uncivilised. Then the inevitable manipultation to try and extract the point through rhetoric while saving face.

Hillbilly and Pervert were absolutely right about this place. I frankly increasingly feel the desire to go the way they have.

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 04, 2016, 01:45:42 PM
That's always been the main drag on the AH community. You can never share challenges and accomplishments with people here because they think flying and dying with no sense of personal challenge is the only means of garnering respect in AH.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 04, 2016, 01:58:32 PM
You had more then twice the number of MA kills in the 202 last tour than me in all of my 10 years of flying (41 kills = 0.06% of all my LW/Old MA kills in fighters) :D

 :cheers:



Figured you would be in the thousands.  :)

Am trying to get her in the 1000 kill club.   476 so far.  Another 10 years ought to do it.  :joystick:




Yes indeed, that's why your first reply to my (actually impersonal) comments contained insult and sarcasm (http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8443/crazy6.gif)


Yeah you're bloody right I'm not. You can talk to the hand.

Woe betide the person that responds 'incorrectly' in a (logically flawed) look at me thread to discuss plane and pilot combination as it pertains to ACM in an air combat game / simulator. Should be a forum rule against it. I have to say I find interacting with some forum members increasingly difficult and unrewarding. Your peculiar arrangement of ego and logic is bewildering, disingenuous and bizzare. Your reception to unanticipated comments (in an ostensibly free-discussion forum) overly defensive, abrasive, irrational and uncivilised. Then the inevitable manipultation to try and extract the point through rhetoric while saving face.

Hillbilly and Pervert were absolutely right about this place. I frankly increasingly feel the desire to go the way they have.

Since you refuse to discuss this rationally, I will extend you the same courtesy.  Good day.




Oh skill was inferred.  It may have been subconscious but it was inferred.  As Shida alluded, youre simply diluting it now. 

And no, because Dodger (and many many more before him) has been doing it forever, it isn't silly that one guy got most of the kills in one plane model.  Even if it was a bit silly, it certainly would not merit posting here. 

Wait, unless you won fighters for the tour flying the 202 exclusively...that would demand a posting here.  Anything else is self-licking.

At least you can make a cohesive argument but you're off base.   I like to brag about flying planes that the leet ACM types don't fly.   Find a single post of mine that makes a claim of fighter skillz.

You went completely off the deep end with this part though:

Quote
Wait, unless you won fighters for the tour flying the 202 exclusively

Funny how you bring score into it.  :rolleyes:




That's always been the main drag on the AH community. You can never share challenges and accomplishments with people here because they think flying and dying with no sense of personal challenge is the only means of garnering respect in AH.

And don't forget score.  See above.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 04, 2016, 06:17:50 PM
I was unable to make a coherent argument the moment I agreed that this was a look-at-me thread.  I have tried to fishtail by claiming plane obsolescence, ACM skills, personal attacks, illogical arguments, argumentum ad hominem, and non-cohesive argumentum.  I WILL continue to drone on by straw manning, ignoring questions I simple cannot answer nor understand and create derision by accusing those same questioners of malice of forethought.  It worked in junior high, by gawd it will work here.

And quite honestly, I'm just not very good at explaining my way out of ridiculous things I've said and done.  This is no exception.

Fixed.  To add to your considerable cerebral confusion, please look up inferred so that you don't accidently ask someone to find something they've already tacitly admitted you wouldn't find.  It makes u look a smidge more foolish than u already are.  By creating the thread you inferred skill.  Ask the readers.  Perceived demonstration of skill = one of the only reasons to make a look-at-me thread.  I simply doubt the accuracy of your self awareness.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 04, 2016, 06:59:20 PM
Fixed.  To add to your considerable cerebral confusion, please look up inferred so that you don't accidently ask someone to find something they've already tacitly admitted you wouldn't find.  It makes u look a smidge more foolish than u already are.  By creating the thread you inferred skill.  Ask the readers.  Perceived demonstration of skill = one of the only reasons to make a look-at-me thread.  I simply doubt the accuracy of your self awareness.

Another one with a pile of meandering, psychobabble gobbledeegook.   Good day to you as well.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 05, 2016, 12:45:29 AM
Since you refuse to discuss this rationally,

You closed the possibility for rational discussion with an insightful reaction to an impersonal comment.

OK, Dr. Katz: how would flying better planes make one better at ACM - and why are you troubled by my plane choices?

Inconsistent with the composure you are now attempting to project. If I had no point at all then the appropriate moment to dismiss was then. You're essentially appealing to the community that your thread and plane choices and are merely doing it a service. You're doing yourself a service on both counts.

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Lusche on June 05, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
Figured you would be in the thousands.  :)


Me? naaaahhhh, I was the Gutless Gastropod after all  :old:

Following the good AH tradition, my "club 1000+" is mainly made of late war cannon monsters, with just a few not particularly notable exceptions (109F4 109G2 P-51B)
My top rides in terms of total kills are the Tempest and the 262. You may now freely riducle me for that...   :noid

My only ENY 40 ride with a number of kills coming close to that was the Hurricane I at 803 total - but almost all of those were made long ago, before the redesign and when we had much more (coastal) furballs. In recent years with lower combat density, I found flying it (or similar planes) to be too frustrating to me...
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 06, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Fixed.  To add to your considerable cerebral confusion, please look up inferred

I think you both should look up both "inferred" and "implied" - so that you might understand the difference.

Okay, the usage Nazi will go back to sleep now.

As for flying late war uber rides, I just don't do it. Indeed, the whole boom and zoom thing is no fun to me. Besides, my lead shots tend to suck and I like to turn. Poison if you're in all but the Temp (and I recently deleted an account with lots of unused perks)... the former ensures I'll be engaged in a fight, the latter ensures I cannot run it.

The upside: when I play, I get what I came for.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 06, 2016, 10:03:20 PM
I think you both should look up both "inferred" and "implied" - so that you might understand the difference.

Okay, the usage Nazi will go back to sleep now.


You should go back to sleep.  Loosely, either could be used in this case. 
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 07, 2016, 06:32:50 AM

Me? naaaahhhh, I was the Gutless Gastropod after all  :old:

Following the good AH tradition, my "club 1000+" is mainly made of late war cannon monsters, with just a few not particularly notable exceptions (109F4 109G2 P-51B)
My top rides in terms of total kills are the Tempest and the 262. You may now freely riducle me for that...   :noid

My only ENY 40 ride with a number of kills coming close to that was the Hurricane I at 803 total - but almost all of those were made long ago, before the redesign and when we had much more (coastal) furballs. In recent years with lower combat density, I found flying it (or similar planes) to be too frustrating to me...

EZ-Mode crutch flying hax picker!  :neener:

I must shamefully confess that the 262 comes in at 13th place on my list, with 736 kills.
But the Tempest is dead last with 100 kills (tied with F4U-1C).   :banana:



803 in the Hurri I is amazing, any way you slice it.   :cheers:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 11, 2016, 11:54:29 AM
You should go back to sleep.  Loosely, either could be used in this case.
No.

Infer: deduce or conclude
Imply: insinuate or suggest

They're about as opposite as can be. "Loose"? Would you use "big" to mean "small"?

I hear people use these two terms interchangeably all the time in meetings and you're all just as guilty. The only real defense you've got is that there are a lot of people sharing the error and that I seem to be the only one who gives a crap.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: caldera on June 11, 2016, 01:17:32 PM
No.

Infer: deduce or conclude
Imply: insinuate or suggest

They're about as opposite as can be. "Loose"? Would you use "big" to mean "small"?

I hear people use these two terms interchangeably all the time in meetings and you're all just as guilty. The only real defense you've got is that there are a lot of people sharing the error and that I seem to be the only one who gives a crap.

   (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/infer.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/infer.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Shuffler on June 11, 2016, 05:02:06 PM
I suggest going to a real dictionary like http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infer. Those  small time want to be dictionary sites always Come up way short.

Read the whole content. The use of infer is depedent on where it is used. If you are a student, you will fail mixing the two words.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 12, 2016, 12:39:33 AM
   (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/infer.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/infer.jpg.html)

I accept your source and conclusion as locally correct. However, https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/infer (https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/infer) does not include item 4, suggesting to me that the loss of distinction between the two words is recent.

Indeed, I can cite more examples than this one http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/implygloss.htm (http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/implygloss.htm) but this one makes the point quite clearly. That you have a source that accepts the dumbing down is indicative of the corrosive process by which (some) dictionaries follow common usage. As Shuffler also correctly notes, academics, indeed any mentally demanding work, drives us to sharpening, not dulling, distinctions. I knew this point would draw some ire -but just as these two words are being confused, people now also regularly say "I could care less" when they mean the exact opposite. Try searching on "imply and infer confused"... Every grammarian, Oxford included, says they are distinct, that little mcdictionary.com local notwithstanding
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: BuckShot on June 12, 2016, 07:33:12 AM
You are all mistaken.

Infer: the reason for incarceration.

"What are you infer?"
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: nrshida on June 12, 2016, 10:41:57 AM
You are all mistaken.

Infer: the reason for incarceration.

"What are you infer?"

 :rofl :aok
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 12, 2016, 12:18:52 PM
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Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 19, 2016, 09:06:23 PM
No.

Infer: deduce or conclude
Imply: insinuate or suggest

They're about as opposite as can be. "Loose"? Would you use "big" to mean "small"?

I hear people use these two terms interchangeably all the time in meetings and you're all just as guilty. The only real defense you've got is that there are a lot of people sharing the error and that I seem to be the only one who gives a crap.

Nice!!!  You've decided to use two word defs for words that actually need 9 words.  This time, use Google and ask them to use the words in sentences, lmao.

And I didn't use them interchangeably, lol.  Neither did he.  Just quit bro...they can't all be home runs hahaha
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 20, 2016, 09:01:40 AM
Oh skill was inferred.  It may have been subconscious but it was inferred.  As Shida alluded, youre simply diluting it now. 



I stand by my point. You should've used implied.

google its use in a sentence? You mean like here: http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/infer (http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/infer) (see the comment at the bottom, where the unwitting dude asks if he could've used the word "implied" instead).

Or, if you don't like that one, try Vocabulary.com, quote below, and using an analog with which you should be very familiar:

"CHOOSE YOUR WORDS  CAUGHT BETWEEN WORDS? MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
imply/infer
Imply and infer are opposites, like a throw and a catch. To imply is to hint at something, but to infer is to make an educated guess. The speaker does the implying, and the listener does the inferring.

To imply is to suggest something indirectly. If you hand your friend a stack of napkins during dinner, you imply that she needs them. Things can imply, too, like a chimney that implies a fireplace. Check out these examples:

By their very definition, flea markets imply cheap prices for used and unwanted items, as is still the case in most other places. (New York Times)
Stern also implied the entire season might be at risk. (Seattle Times)

It isn't fair to imply that cardiovascular disease is going away. (Nature)

Infer is on the receiving end of imply, yet infer is often used to mean imply. To infer is to gather, deduce, or figure out.Writers tend to know how to use infer correctly:

He talks about having led in the private sector but voters have to infer too much about what that means. (Slate)

They were also better at inferring feelings from images of just the eyes. (Scientific American)

Yet it must not be inferred that farming women are without mental ability or common sense. (Sidney Lewis Gulick)

Like baseball? Theodore Bernstein, in his classic The Careful Writer, gives us a way to keep imply and infer straight: "The implier is the pitcher; the inferrer is the catcher."

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You quit. Since when does a pitcher want to be confused with a catcher?

Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 20, 2016, 11:33:15 AM
I stand by my point. You should've used implied.

google its use in a sentence? You mean like here: http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/infer (http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/infer) (see the comment at the bottom, where the unwitting dude asks if he could've used the word "implied" instead).

Or, if you don't like that one, try Vocabulary.com, quote below, and using an analog with which you should be very familiar:

"CHOOSE YOUR WORDS  CAUGHT BETWEEN WORDS? MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
imply/infer
Imply and infer are opposites, like a throw and a catch. To imply is to hint at something, but to infer is to make an educated guess. The speaker does the implying, and the listener does the inferring.

To imply is to suggest something indirectly. If you hand your friend a stack of napkins during dinner, you imply that she needs them. Things can imply, too, like a chimney that implies a fireplace. Check out these examples:

By their very definition, flea markets imply cheap prices for used and unwanted items, as is still the case in most other places. (New York Times)
Stern also implied the entire season might be at risk. (Seattle Times)

It isn't fair to imply that cardiovascular disease is going away. (Nature)

Infer is on the receiving end of imply, yet infer is often used to mean imply. To infer is to gather, deduce, or figure out.Writers tend to know how to use infer correctly:

He talks about having led in the private sector but voters have to infer too much about what that means. (Slate)

They were also better at inferring feelings from images of just the eyes. (Scientific American)

Yet it must not be inferred that farming women are without mental ability or common sense. (Sidney Lewis Gulick)

Like baseball? Theodore Bernstein, in his classic The Careful Writer, gives us a way to keep imply and infer straight: "The implier is the pitcher; the inferrer is the catcher."

Rate this article:
4.5 (90 votes)"

You quit. Since when does a pitcher want to be confused with a catcher?

You try way too hard.  It's exactly as Shuffler stated...it's context and you're, again, forcing a round peg in a hexagon. I used it correctly.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 20, 2016, 11:42:33 AM
We'll leave it there. I accept your common usage and contextual defense - even though I wouldn't do it myself. :cool:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 20, 2016, 02:34:33 PM
Of the C.202 kills for the last tour are all minez.   <self-promoting stats geek alert>  :banana:

Had 90%, but some hornswogglin' bushwhackin' cracker-croaker snuck a kill in there on the last day. 


Probably filled in the C.202 checkbox on "Kill Every Plane In The Game" for quite a few lucky noobs.  :neener:

So THATS what was stuck on the bottom of my shoe!
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Changeup on June 20, 2016, 08:51:50 PM
We'll leave it there. I accept your common usage and contextual defense - even though I wouldn't do it myself. :cool:

Perfect.  And I accept your need to run your post count up by posting nothing related to the OP...even though I wouldn't do it myself. :rock
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 20, 2016, 09:56:50 PM
Perfect.  And I accept your need to run your post count up by posting nothing related to the OP...even though I wouldn't do it myself. :rock


I don't care about my post count, but I'd say I scored about 5, you 4. But, there's always the potential for evening that up ( and I'm counting on it).
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Shuffler on June 21, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
Darn... I still just want to know how many licks it takes to get to the juicy tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 22, 2016, 10:46:43 AM
According to the owl, it was 3.
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: wil3ur on June 22, 2016, 06:28:42 PM
The owl used hacks -- he's gaming the game!    :old:
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: lyric1 on June 24, 2016, 01:19:40 AM
Before anyone asks here it is Early war just a short time ago.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/yq69df76nexw8m5/val_jeep_bails_strange.ahf

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss353_zpso2hhkfcf.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss353_zpso2hhkfcf.png.html)





You will have to ask him why he kept towering out again and again?
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 25, 2016, 01:19:07 PM
It's just mastery of ACM, or perhaps an adoption of the dominant game strategy, of whom one of our number was a great proponent until fairly recently...
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: Tumor on June 25, 2016, 01:50:33 PM
You are all mistaken.

Infer: the reason for incarceration.

"What are you infer?"

Is that like a dikfer?
Title: Re: 89.5%
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 25, 2016, 07:17:01 PM
Is that like a dikfer?

Yes, except that most people know what's a dikfer, especially in prison.