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Title: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on July 23, 2016, 08:14:20 AM
I have purchased a Gigabyte Intel Z170 motherboard and i7 6700 skylake processor. My Corsair AX850 (made by Seasonic) has a 8 Pin CPU cable as does the new motherboard. It has a different pin design then the board as in square vs. rounded individual pin connectors. The original motherboard was a match. Can the PSU be used? If not is it possible to get the proper cable and connector.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Bizman on July 23, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
Without having done any in-depth analysis, are you 100% positive you're trying to plug the 8 pin (4+4) motherboard connector instead of the 8 pin (6+2) video card connector? A quick glimpse didn't reveal any new layouts, especially since the "gaming" version said it would be backwards compatible with a previous ATX version.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on July 23, 2016, 03:22:47 PM
yes it is the 8 (4x4) pin CPU cable. Corsair calls it "EPS/12V"

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/site-search?searchQuery=PSU%20AX850

found this it shows the difference. top row is rounded bottom, square, square, rounded.
Bottom row is square, rounded, rounded, square.
definately different from Corsair

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Chalenge on July 23, 2016, 07:20:32 PM
Might seem a little obvious, but have you tried rotating the plug 180 and trying that? AND you are using the CPU end and not the PSU end? I haven't heard of any new type plugs, either.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on July 23, 2016, 09:54:09 PM
Yes and yes. It is possible to fit them, the question is rounded terminal in square hole will it work? Will it damage something ? My concern is polarity. The plugs, I believe, where made to insure proper installation.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Denniss on July 24, 2016, 01:59:01 AM
This is EPS 12V vs ATX12V conector - these are not compatible in all 8 pins. Clip it in half and you should be abvle to use one half of this connector, AFAIR motherboard should work with this.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2505
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Bizman on July 24, 2016, 03:05:29 AM
yes it is the 8 (4x4) pin CPU cable. Corsair calls it "EPS/12V"

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/site-search?searchQuery=PSU%20AX850

found this it shows the difference. top row is rounded bottom, square, square, rounded.
Bottom row is square, rounded, rounded, square.
definately different from Corsair

http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8

Hmm... I took a look at the separately sold cable sets (http://www.corsair.com/en-us/professional-series-ax850-ax750-ax650-individually-sleeved-modular-cables-black) which I understand being spare parts for the original cable set. There's two cables marked as "EPS/ATX 12V Power Processor Connector 8 pin". Check your storage if you have the matching version, too.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Skuzzy on July 24, 2016, 05:55:03 AM
Do not try and force power connectors.  These are all standard.  If the plug you are trying to use does not match, then it is not the correct plug.

The motherboard CPU extended power supply (EPS) plug has changed over the years.  It was originally a 4 pin plug, then went 6 pins, and now it is 8 pins.  Early on, some power supplies used two 4 pin plugs you mate together to use for the 8 pin plug.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on July 24, 2016, 10:54:35 AM
Thanks for all the input.  :salute  :cheers:

Biz there is 2 EPS/12V with the PSU. Unfortunately they are identical.

Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Chalenge on July 25, 2016, 12:04:46 AM
I went through my older PSU supplies and found a cable similar to the one you have. It is from a Seasonic PSU from about six years ago, but I do not remember which exact MB it was used for, but it is marked CPU.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on July 25, 2016, 08:40:28 AM
I found a youtube video from Corsair and it is from 2010. It states that the EPS/12V will work in the receptacle. Going to try and contact Corsair over the phone today.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Chalenge on July 25, 2016, 10:25:05 AM
I have one system that is down waiting on a MB, so I pulled out an old Z87 MB and 780i to test these plugs. Either one will work at the MB end, but only the newer plug would fit the PSU. The older plug acts like it will fit, but will not snug down and lock into place (and I won't force it).
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Bizman on July 25, 2016, 10:25:40 AM
Biz there is 2 EPS/12V with the PSU. Unfortunately they are identical.

Tough luck. That would've been too easy a solution.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on August 05, 2016, 07:59:44 AM
And the outcome is......a defective motherboard :bhead

After calling Corsair and determining that the cables are correct and will work all things pointed to the brand new Gigabyte motherboard. Called Newegg and they suggested I return it for replacement or refund. Refund was my option and a new ASUS Z170 Pro gaming motherboard is now installed and working. :x Sort of :headscratch:

When it boots it ask for "proper boot media" (paraphrasing). I think it maybe looking for the SSD you people are posting about in other threads. My reasoning it there is a USB 3.0 port marked "OS SYS". I have a Western Digital WD3200AAKS-00V6A 320GB drive pluged in. I have to go into the BIOS and go to boot drive, click on the above drive (which is the only one showing) and then it boots up.

My question is do I need a SSD? If so what size and brand? Or is there a way to stop the boot up problem?
FYI I have read the manual and can not find any reference to this problem or fix.

Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Chalenge on August 05, 2016, 08:21:59 AM
It could also be that you have the BIOS set to boot from CD/DVD and the SATA cable or power cable isn't plugged in. If you have a bootable drive mounted internally then it isn't set as the primary boot device.

EDIT: Sorry - distracted browsing.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: Bizman on August 05, 2016, 08:41:15 AM
I think Chalenge is on the right track. I've never heard that a motherboard would definitely need an SSD for a boot drive. I've been in the belief that at stage the system doesn't actually care about the media as long as it's bootable. Similarly to optical drives, in the boot order list they've been described as CD drives.

Then again, I've often seen the boot device order being far from optimal. If you have USB prior to HDD, then your system will try to boot from any USB disk you have connected, stick and drive equally. Check your BIOS/UEFI boot settings and set the hard disk as the primary one.

For those who have several internal hard drives, setting HDD as primary may not be enough. There's often another screen for managing the hard disk order.
Title: Re: PSU CPU cable problem ( I think)
Post by: 68falcon on August 05, 2016, 08:58:05 AM
Have to run out for a while. Will look this afternoon. Many thanks  :salute