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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Chalenge on August 03, 2016, 04:32:47 AM
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Microsoft began to release the anniversary update (1607) yesterday and they are allowing it to go out in limited streams, thankfully. The primary concern with an open release is that it would cause network slowdowns nationwide if it went into public release to everyone, so they are trickling out the update. You can still request it early, if you like.
There is nothing really major about the release. Tablets using W10 will now have the same "All Apps" function of the desktop version, WiFi Sense is no eliminated because of the popular belief that it was a privacy invasion, and the action center now links directly to more apps (you may have already noticed popups from Mail, Money, and News, but now other apps can send out notices (Aces High perhaps? - no, so far limited to MS apps) and you will get notices on the desktop screen. There are also now extensions (limited) for Edge.
Not much to be excited about, but I do think it is cool that MS is listening to users even if it is in a limited way. Thurrott indicated that there would be no mobile update, but I could not find his article about that (if he even wrote one).
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And now for the bad news.
Breaks Firefox.
Breaks Silverlight association with browsers other than Edge.
Breaks Netflix.
Causes BSOD on some Sound Blaster production cards (ZxR) when enhancements are modified.
STEAM video may/may not break with no known common link.
And that's just the first four hours. Fortunately, I maintain boot images.
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Brother just put out an email indicating that their printers using a USB connection may stop working and that the fix is to uninstall and then reinstall the drivers. Simple fix if it works.
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Not going to do this.
It is his fault he is suspended. It is a simple matter of points. End of story.
The rest of you want to follow suite, just keep trashing threads and making it impossible to have any sort of rational discussion.
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Did you at least enjoy the story? I worked really hard on it.
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I do not enjoy anything which adds to my work load. Would you?
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yes because i enjoy work
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Well, it wasn't rule foured. I'll give you that one.
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Let me make it clear. You are the ones who came in here with a chip on your shoulders, based on some nonsense you were told by someone else who lead you to believe he was banned from the boards. The truth is, he did it to himself. He is the only one to blame. The real kicker is, the suspension will last only for 1 or 2 days from now. It is all automated.
Now, instead of acting civil about it, you decided to wreck this thread with a bunch of nonsense. You are creating the problem right now.
Tell me how any of this has to do with the original post?
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On that note, may we start a new thread where we can host these kind of discussions without you locking it? That way we wouldn't be "hijacking" threads.
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On that note, may we start a new thread where we can host these kind of discussions without you locking it? That way we wouldn't be "hijacking" threads.
Any technical discussion is welcome in this forum, but if it devolves into an emotional rant, then it will get closed as those are not healthy discussions and will not serve to move anything forward.
I would love to be able to post things I know without having to deal with people going off the deep end.
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You keep thinking that Coalcat.
Skuzzy, it seems like there are only a handful of people willing to contribute to the discussions anyway.
It doesn't matter what these boys think, the OS is quickly headed into disaster territory.
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You keep thinking that Coalcat.
Skuzzy, it seems like there are only a handful of people willing to contribute to the discussions anyway.
It doesn't matter what these boys think, the OS is quickly headed into disaster territory.
So any opinion different from your own is incorrect... i see how it is...
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You keep thinking that Coalcat.
Skuzzy, it seems like there are only a handful of people willing to contribute to the discussions anyway.
It doesn't matter what these boys think, the OS is quickly headed into disaster territory.
I think that is a little over the top. Remember when Windows 7 came out? It was a mess. Windows 10 is better than 7 was when it first came out. Although it is a bit more difficult to control Windows 10 due to the update system.
With earlier OS's you could sit back and let others test an update for you. It is not impossible to do that now, but far more difficult that it needs to be.
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I love that win 10 can plug in and play on my newer system without any fiddling to find driver CDs for each part. It even updated the drivers for me, one thing I don't miss.
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I love that win 10 can plug in and play on my newer system without any fiddling to find driver CDs for each part. It even updated the drivers for me, one thing I don't miss.
When I installed Windows 10 on the new system here, I still had to go get the latest drivers for everything, but all the hardware did come up. It would not have done what with Windows 7.
Keep in mind we installed from installation media (Windows 10 Pro). The upgrade to Windows 10 is slightly different.
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By the way, here is a pretty complete post as to issues which might happen during the Windows 10 anniversary update and ways to correct them.
http://www.windowscentral.com/windows10-anniversary-update-common-problems-how-fix
Keep in mind, the rollout is going to take a while.
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I accept the role of power user and how more complicated that makes an OS update, but this latest update is terrible. I have audio enhancements off, usually, but Windows 10 Anniversary turned it back on. Firefox doesn't play with Netflix well, so I got looking for a reason that the audio is muffled. The audio troubleshooter tells me that audio enhancements quite often cause trouble. Okay, so why did Windows turn it on during the update? Then when I change the setting the system gives me the first blue screen it has ever had.
I wanted this update, because of Windows Ink. It really is the best thing in the new update and I ordered a brand new QHD to interface with my system for rapid prototyping and thumbnail authoring. I won't plug it into a system that is causing BSODs, so it's update the system with a new Broadwell-E, or wait for Anniversary to get patched.
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We have had the same issue with settings changing after updates and wasting time to go back and reset things as well. It is a pain.
I understand there will be times when there is no way to prevent a setting from being reset, but they could at least give us a heads up about it. They do know when they have to do it.
It happened in previous operating systems, but not to the extent it is happening with 10. I hope it is early teething issues and will get sorted out.
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I'm sure all these issues will be sorted out. Like Skuzzy said, Windows 10 is young and growing, but it has shown great potential. The OS is very light weight, runs smoothly, and boots quickly. Resetting some of my personal settings is, in my opinion, a small price to pay. I look forward to subsequent updates and improvements, and am prepared for any small bugs/bug fixes that come with them.
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Obviously, my willingness to deal with it is fading fast.
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I used the free upgrade on my old HDD from win7 to 10 and it went and got the drivers itself.
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Yes, Dolby, but the last thing you want are the drivers that MS assigns, especially for audio or video.
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Yes, Dolby, but the last thing you want are the drivers that MS assigns, especially for audio or video.
What's wrong with them? Mine seem to work fine.
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I used the free upgrade on my old HDD from win7 to 10 and it went and got the drivers itself.
Lucky you. A very old bug in Windows prevented me from being able to get the free upgrade to Windows 10. The only solution MS was able to provide was to skip the free upgrade and buy a Windows 10 CD and a clean install.
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Same here. I have no desire to start all over again.
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I finally went from 8.1 Pro to 10 Pro and enjoy 10 much more than 8.1. About 15 mins on my PC. So far, so good.
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Yes, Dolby, but the last thing you want are the drivers that MS assigns, especially for audio or video.
My PC is actually running better than it did with the pure Win10 install I had on my SSD, on IL2 BoS I have been able to use Ultra setting as before, but gained 20fps and been able to max the anti aliasing, while the sounds are just as good as they were before.
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caldera, Windows 10 is the last OS Microsoft is releasing, according to them. It will just get continually updated.
By the way, in case you did not notice it, this thread is about the Windows 10 anniversary release. If you are not using it, then you probably should not be posting in this thread.
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OK, carry on then.
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What's wrong with them? Mine seem to work fine.
Historically, allowing the Microsoft updater to install video drivers has been a source of problems for many people/computer systems. The jury is still out on Windows 10 (for me anyway), but as a precaution it does not hurt to do those particular drivers manually.
OK, carry on then.
Thank you. It is appreciated. Just trying to keep, at least, one Windows 10 thread from going into the garbage.
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Chalenge, please keep the discussion as technical as possible. Opinions are fine, but please save those for the appropriate thread.
That said, I doubt an opinion thread would last long, given the emotions, surrounding Windows 10, witnessed so far.
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Okay, here's one.
If, after updating your system locks up, then during the startup process you can perform the rollback by holding the shift key at the password entry window, then simultaneously clicking the power button on the lower right corner of the screen, and while still holding the shift key choose the restart option. This will open the Advanced Options where you can choose Rollback To Previous Build.
This is not a permanent fix though, and eventually the system will be forcibly updated.
Also, you can check the Microsoft website where they have an ISO image available that includes the latest update (not JUST the update, so be aware of that).
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO/?tduid=(cc4a5eacbed60d3f96eef93142484<span style=
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Not sure why that link is coming across so weirdly.
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Skuzzy. I installed 10 Pro about a week before the deadline. I had it ready to go for about six months prior, but erred on waiting about that time in the hopes bugs would be at a minimum.
What is the Anniversary edition? Just curious as if I might have this or not.
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It is a new update to the OS. It has some new features and bug fixes. It is being distributed by Microsoft now, but in clumps so as not to kill the Internet. :)
Here is the announcement: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/29/windows-10-anniversary-update-available-august-2/
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I was hoping to get it downloaded sooner rather than later because I heard one of the smaller features allows you to put your system time on the task bar of multiple monitors. This would be a huge help since I never know what time it is while I'm playing games.
Tried installing it last night and it wouldn't... :confused: Guess I'll just wait...
Edit: I just got it installed. I was getting error code 0x80070057 which is apparently fixed by simply disconnecting the Ethernet cord after the installer is finished "verifying updates."
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Regarding the muffled audio on Sound Blaster systems it is Windows that is resetting the SBX Pro Studio settings to enable Surround and the Crystalizer (Creative's spelling). Disabling these settings will return audio to normal.
Game capture cards will probably need to be reset as well, and of course any SLI system will have SLI disabled. This is probably going to be 'normal' behavior with Windows updates from now on.
Also, make sure that your system clock is set to the proper time before update. There have been a few people that had to reactivate (or were told to), but this simple fix prevents the problem.
If you use a TPM module with your motherboard and have run into an update issue over the last two days, this has been fixed now and your system should be auto-authenticated and updated without a problem. This was causing an issue on my system, but as of this morning the updates were not only faster, but involved fewer reboots.
Another change is the way that default programs are maintained. Yesterday it was a lot more clumsy, but today it is just a double click on your program of choice. Nice!
EDIT: Make sure that Firefox (if you use it) is updated before you begin the update. You will have to reinstall CPU-Z and GPU-Z if you are using them (as usual). There are a few other benchmarks that may be affected as well.
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I have mentioned before that I typically move the Windows User Libraries off to another hard drive. Well, W10A re-associates them with the User account and moves their storage location back to C:\Users. This will fill up an SSD in a hurry, so you need to be aware of it.
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1 curious question:
Since I already own a genuine paid for retail copy of Win 10 Home, after July 17, 2016 will owners of legally paid for retail copies of Win 10 have to pay for the upgrades as well (since Win 10 is going to be a service-based platform)?
Or will owners have to pay for any upgrades to Win 10 issued past this date (all upgrades are free up until any upgrade after this Win 10 Anniversary upgrade)?
Appreciate any info on this.
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So far no change. It is expected that at some point Windows will become a subscription product, but not yet.
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Thanks, Chalenge!
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For what I've read and understood, those who already own Win10 wouldn't be charged later no matter how the earning model changes. It should be similar to Office: The paid versions will remain paid "forever" until they're no longer supported but there's other options, too. So those who've got their copy of Win10 either for free or paid should own the right to use it until the system it's tied to gets trashed.
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For what I've read and understood, those who already own Win10 wouldn't be charged later no matter how the earning model changes. It should be similar to Office: The paid versions will remain paid "forever" until they're no longer supported but there's other options, too. So those who've got their copy of Win10 either for free or paid should own the right to use it until the system it's tied to gets trashed.
Appreciate that, Biz!
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So my father calls me over to his place and tells me his computer won't update. I thought it was just a matter of downloading the update manually and installing it. Nope. It still won't install. Nothing works. So I did a little research and it turns out that's just one of the problems.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104999/microsoft-windows/windows-10-anniversary-update-woes-continue.html
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In case you were going crazy since last Tuesday because your Xbox controller is freaking out in Steam games, it's not you. Even though the controller works fine in The Golf Club, the same controller is flakey in Worms Crazy Golf, and Pro Evolution Soccer 2016.
Mapped network drives and HomeGroup are both hit or miss also on functionality.
If you are one of the lucky few that don't have problems you might want to try the lottery.
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So my father calls me over to his place and tells me his computer won't update. I thought it was just a matter of downloading the update manually and installing it. Nope. It still won't install. Nothing works. So I did a little research and it turns out that's just one of the problems.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3104999/microsoft-windows/windows-10-anniversary-update-woes-continue.html
If you're talking about Windows Update, did you check if the Anniversary has changed the connection settings to "metered"?
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Our W10 machine has not gotten the anniversary update yet, but we have had a network share become unreachable, as well as data corruption on network copies from the machine. The latter one is a known issue and Microsoft is not sure what is causing it.
Only way we got the share to come back once it disappeared was to rename the remote computer and re-establish the share.
The anniversary edition was supposed to make some inroads into correcting the share issues.
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The method to project one screen to another has changed on the Start>Control Panel>Display window. If your system is like mine you can no longer choose the screens, but there is a happy result that comes from it. If you set your DSR to a magnitude higher and then project your main screen to another, then you can also change the resolution of the active display and both will then be at higher (apparent) resolution.
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Our W10 machine has not gotten the anniversary update yet, but we have had a network share become unreachable, as well as data corruption on network copies from the machine. The latter one is a known issue and Microsoft is not sure what is causing it.
Only way we got the share to come back once it disappeared was to rename the remote computer and re-establish the share.
The anniversary edition was supposed to make some inroads into correcting the share issues.
There is a patch out tonight that has cleared up the issues I have had. Hopefully, it will hold true for everyone.
@Bizman: I have not had that issue as of yet. The patch and reboot options have changed, so now you can set your active hours and the machine will not reboot within that time frame. There are still limitations though, as you can only set active hours to a 12 hour period.
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@Bizman: I have not had that issue as of yet. The patch and reboot options have changed, so now you can set your active hours and the machine will not reboot within that time frame. There are still limitations though, as you can only set active hours to a 12 hour period.
Alright, that was a far fetched idea. That issue has plagued many mobile broadband users here since Win8 because Microsoft has set mobile connections as metered by default. So far I've learned three ways to change it in 8/8.1 and two in 10. Our current mobile connections are unlimited. - One ISP has a funny series of TV ads where two young <ISP> Missionaries travel around the USA telling people about the Finnish broadband pricing (https://www.youtube.com/user/elisa).
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Infoworld recommends passing on the anniversary update but how is that done? The only option I see is not to reboot.
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You can back out of the update, but I think after 30 days it will come in anyway. If you read that on the InfoWorld link I posted, then you should know that was before this latest patch. I don't know if InfoWorld's concerns have been addressed, but the problem I had before are now fixed as far as I can tell. I still have dislikes about the way MS patches the OS (like resetting the libraries to default locations), but at least I know it is going to happen so I can change it back.
I think the problem with my father's system is that it has Norton on it. He has never accepted that Norton is a problem. Even after this second patch the Anniversary version won't install for him.
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I think the problem with my father's system is that it has Norton on it. He has never accepted that Norton is a problem. Even after this second patch the Anniversary version won't install for him.
I guess I may have a problem too because I use Norton. Norton seems to be a dirty word on these forums but I've never experienced the types of problems I see complaints about. I'm not saying Norton's the best choice. Just don't know what is.
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I guess I may have a problem too because I use Norton. Norton seems to be a dirty word on these forums but I've never experienced the types of problems I see complaints about. I'm not saying Norton's the best choice. Just don't know what is.
They say Nod32 should affect gaming the least.
Norton is like any other computer related thing: It works for many, if not most, but when it doesn't it can be a real PITA. Just like Win10.
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I think that there probably is no perfect solution. I use ESET NOD32 along with Hitman Pro 3, and I don't leave passwords on my system by using LastPass. Beyond that it is simply a matter of responsible browsing and careful use of email.
As my father has gotten older he has gone from being knowledgeable in Internet security to someone that is much too trusting. So there is a large part of the Internet he just cannot reach. You can do the same with a DNS service like OpenDNS, or Comodo (I think even Norton has one), but some service providers like AT&T will not allow them, or at least frown upon their use.
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I use malware-bytes as my backup protection. It seems to be highly regarded. I know many have stated that Norton has been a problem for downloading AH3 versions but I've had no problems. I better end this before I get hit with a rule violation for hijacking the thread.
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With this level of utter incompetence on Microsoft's part, followed by the major problems they've brought upon themselves with Win10, Win8, and Win Vista before that, I seriously cannot see a future where I'm using Microsoft Windows on my next box. When Win7 support goes away, so shall my Windows use.
Win7 isn't without bugs and flaws, but at least is a solid core of an OS throughout.
I honestly don't see MS' ego allowing them to back down the path they've begun, and it's not a happy path. They won't learn from their mistakes anymore.
Aside from morbid curiousity, and from needing to "practice" fixing problems on it, is there any reason at all to even consider running Win10? No, honestly. Serious question. What does it bring, at all, that might take me away from an established and steady OS I already have?
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I only updated an 8.1 machine because I can't imagine a worse OS since Milenium. So far 10 is working well for me. :pray My other machine including my gaming machine will remain W7. There seem to be new problems cropping up with W7, however. I, and many others are having trouble getting monthly updates.
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I only updated an 8.1 machine because I can't imagine a worse OS since Milenium. So far 10 is working well for me. :pray My other machine including my gaming machine will remain W7. There seem to be new problems cropping up with W7, however. I, and many others are having trouble getting monthly updates.
The slow updates are due to Microsoft slowing them deliberately. Each time they have been confronted about they side step the issue.
Guys, let's keep this discussion at a technical level please.
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I've noticed performance improvements since my upgrade. Stuff loads faster, runs faster, why is that?
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I just got the popup that updates are available. When I looked in settings for the updates I saw
Cumulative update for windows 10........
Restart required
Feature update to windows 10, ver 1607
Error
When I clicked on error I got a link to the W10 upgrade FAQ page with no info on errors fort his update. Any thoughts on how to proceed?
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Condor, is there a space remaining issue on your SSD? Do you already have a folder named Windows.old?
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I've noticed performance improvements since my upgrade. Stuff loads faster, runs faster, why is that?
If programs are running faster it would normally indicated the previous OS had some things running in background eating up CPU time. Load times would also be impacted the same way, although to a lesser degree. Could also be Superfetch (Windows service) beat you to loading a program first. Could also be a particular Microsoft update which eats about 15% of the CPU time. It's only reason to exist is to send telemetry data (i.e. let MS know everything you are doing with your computer) to Microsoft.
If you run with the auto-updater enabled and just let Microsoft install everything, then the latter is likely.
The program manger/exec code in Windows 10 is right from Windows 7/8/8.1. The drivers for the disk subsystem are the same, and the filesystem is also the same. The memory manager is also the same. In other words, there really is no difference in the way Windows loads or executes a program between all the versions of Windows since Windows 7.
If one is perceived to be faster (loading or running applications) than the other it usually means there are external issues affecting the performance, unrelated to the version of the OS.
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Condor, is there a space remaining issue on your SSD? Do you already have a folder named Windows.old?
Chalenge,
I don't have an SSD and my C drive has about 700GB free space. I have no Windows.old folder. I assume that's because I did a clean install of Windows 10 after completing the upgrade. I made the mistake of not rolling the time for the restart back and my computer rebooted overnight. The cumulative upgrade, a security upgrade, and the malicious software removal tool were installed. The anniversary update did not. I am still running version 1511 of Windows 10. I see no error messages regarding the anniversary update.
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Challenge I have a windows.old folder on my computer and I am running out of HD space. Should I remove it and will removing it cause any problems?
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is there any reason at all to even consider running Win10? No, honestly. Serious question. What does it bring, at all, that might take me away from an established and steady OS I already have?
For what I've seen and read, it seems to have potential. It uses the system more efficiently than its predecessors which can't be considered to be a bad thing. MS also seems to "listen" (in their own peculiar way) to their customers as this Anniversary update shows and as usual there's new bugs included in the improvements.
I hope Win10 will mature during the next four years Win7 is still supported. If not, Win8.1 might be a viable option for another three years of procrastinating.
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Challenge I have a windows.old folder on my computer and I am running out of HD space. Should I remove it and will removing it cause any problems?
I was looking for anything that might be common to the systems that refuse to upgrade. I know of one computer (not mine unfortunately) that has not allowed an update to take hold since Windows 10 went into the free upgrade mode. It updated to Windows 10, but now refuses to take another update. That computer is on an M.2 SSD with Norton 360, but that's all I know. I have not been able to check that system out yet.
Windows 10 Anniversary will tell the user that you can continue to work as the update is applied. I think you are better off shutting down all programs and even rebooting before applying the update. When it goes wrong it might be just a little problem, or it can go straight to the BSOD mode.
Norton seems to be a common issue. I keep trying to get people to go with ESET, but they cling to Norton. In the case of the original W10 install that has never updated it was Norton 360 and I suspect that is at least part of the problem.
Concerning Windows.old you should think about this before proceeding. If you think you might need to restore to the old version then you want to keep that folder. You might also want to do some research on moving files or folders that are in that path. Rather than move them I would reinstall, but I know that is not always an option.
The proper way to remove the folder and clear up that huge amount of space it is using would be to use the Disk Cleanup routine and to search through the available options for "Previous Windows installations."
What I did was to use the update (W10A) for about a week, or until this last Friday, and then I did the Windows Reset. Bear in mind though that I keep all of my libraries on various drives so nothing would be lost. The immediate effect of a reset is that only windows remains and it is in a pristine state. So, instead of having twenty-one Adobe products and seventeen Autodesk products slowing down the boot process by adding services and background processes, the boot is straight forward and much, much faster.
Windows 10 A. has the advantage of including the Bash shell, which has several geeks I know of all giddy inside and out. I like the new Dark Theme, which allows me to leave the system running at night without causing the entire house to glow. The systems that I have changed MBs in require a call from MS-India (I believe) because even the new Activation trouble shooter cannot cure that problem, but at least there is a troubleshooter now. Edge does have new plugins including Netflix, LastPass, and Ad-block, which really had problems before the update (at least for some people). If you have a tobii eyeX or similar facial/eye recognition device your system will now log you into properly prepared websites without a password (biometric authentication). Personally, I prefer the TPM modules to biometric. The most important to me is the Windows Ink, but a lot of the promised functionality has not materialized yet. Cortana has been improved, but I shut that off within the first 20 seconds of W10A, but not completely (BECAUSE YOU CAN'T!!!). And Now Cortana has taken over my phone too. Universal Skype has swallowed my remaining Skype credits in favor of my Xbox/Live account, and I have not discovered how to recover that yet (time issue). The Start menu has gotten rid of the "All Apps" method in favor of immediate access (and more advertising), but I do like what they have done with Money, Weather, Alarm, and so on. I have not looked into what Continuum can do for me yet, but it seems promising. Xbox Play Anywhere brings Xbox games to your PC (this is really big at the moment). The Notifications and Action Center are better integrated even with non-Windows mail apps, which also makes the Calendar more useful (properly setup it can also broadcast to any PC on your network should you be at a different desk during an alarm event). Probably there is more than that which just aren't coming to me at the moment.
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Chalenge, not only Windows can restrict downloads from metered connections. Norton may have that feature too! I've seen it only once, so it may have been a short lived oddity. Anyhow, hidden deep in the settings there was a checked box saying that the connection was metered, effectively restricting even heavier websites to load. And the connection was WiFi from a cable modem in the next room instead of mobile broadband.
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I did look for that on my father's system, but if it was the issue it was buried deep inside of Norton 360 in some sort of Easter-egg area (well hidden). This newer problem I won't know any more details about until it is brought over this next week. I fixed my father's system by using the media creation tool and running the update as an upgrade from the DVD. The upgrade method worked well.
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I did look for that on my father's system, but if it was the issue it was buried deep inside of Norton 360 in some sort of Easter-egg area (well hidden). This newer problem I won't know any more details about until it is brought over this next week. I fixed my father's system by using the media creation tool and running the update as an upgrade from the DVD. The upgrade method worked well.
I originally upgraded from 8.1 to 10 using the media creation tool. So there is a new media creation tool for the anniversary update?
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Bought a gaming computer with win 10 installed and I haven't experienced any issues. Besides the forced upgrades maybe, one time it said a restart was necessary and would occur in 15 mins so I just restarted and thought it will be enough but no - it still did the scheduled restart a few minutes later...
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I originally upgraded from 8.1 to 10 using the media creation tool. So there is a new media creation tool for the anniversary update?
The current media creation tool will wrap up all of the previous updates into a single image file (ISO) which you can burn to DVD, or there is a USB option also.
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i bought a windows 10 disk and installed it fresh and so far its been good for me the only issue i had was when it installed the nvidea drivers on its own i had no nvidea control panel so i had to uninstall the video drivers and then i downloaded them and installed myself and all was great thats the only issue so far ive had. it boots up alot faster than windows 7 did on my machine.
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The latest news on the "Freezing OS" thread indicates that MS has no idea why it is happening, but that some systems that are arranged like mine are having major problems. I guess I dodged that bullet!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/15/microsoft-warns-windows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/#1cbb49287745
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I did look for that on my father's system, but if it was the issue it was buried deep inside of Norton 360 in some sort of Easter-egg area (well hidden). This newer problem I won't know any more details about until it is brought over this next week. I fixed my father's system by using the media creation tool and running the update as an upgrade from the DVD. The upgrade method worked well.
The fix for this system involved a little time. First, the problem seemed to stem from the OS having been mounted on an M.2 PCIe SSD without any supporting HDD. Libraries had been moved to a second SSD. I was able to clone the OS to a HDD, move the Libraries back into place, and finally to boot from the HDD and run the update. Once that was completed I could move the Libraries back to the second SSD and restore the boot drive to the M.2 PCIe SSD. Hopefully MS can fix this so that the same procedure doesn't have to take place for each new update.
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Paul Thurrott, a Microsoft and Windows centric individual announced this weekend that MILLIONS of Windows PCs have been negatively impacted by the Windows 10 Anniversary update. It seems Microsoft made the decision to cut the cord on millions of webcams world wide, which negatively impacts even the Microsoft Skype service. The reasoning behind the move was to improve performance of their own streaming applications (but obvious kicking Skype to the curb). The one and only solution if this negatively impacts you, is to rollback out of the update.
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update
The impact of systems that have not been able to update is not well known, because the Anniversary update does not always inform the user that the update has failed. If the user does not actually run into a "ROLLBACK_POINT" failure then the failure does not automatically generate a failure message, which leaves it up to the user to know and use the "WINVER" command to determine the version currently in use.
Not a great update at the moment, apparently.
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The fix for this system involved a little time. First, the problem seemed to stem from the OS having been mounted on an M.2 PCIe SSD without any supporting HDD. Libraries had been moved to a second SSD. I was able to clone the OS to a HDD, move the Libraries back into place, and finally to boot from the HDD and run the update. Once that was completed I could move the Libraries back to the second SSD and restore the boot drive to the M.2 PCIe SSD. Hopefully MS can fix this so that the same procedure doesn't have to take place for each new update.
As of the following day (16 August 2016) Microsoft is now recommending this as the method of correcting the frozen update.
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The fix for this system involved a little time. First, the problem seemed to stem from the OS having been mounted on an M.2 PCIe SSD without any supporting HDD. Libraries had been moved to a second SSD. I was able to clone the OS to a HDD, move the Libraries back into place, and finally to boot from the HDD and run the update. Once that was completed I could move the Libraries back to the second SSD and restore the boot drive to the M.2 PCIe SSD. Hopefully MS can fix this so that the same procedure doesn't have to take place for each new update.
C,
I need some clarification here. I am getting ready to use M.2 SSD as a lone boot drive. What do u mean by not having an HDD............?
gonna due a clean install from disc.
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The primary reason that so many computers have never been able to update is related to installing Windows 10 to an SSD and then moving the libraries (My Documents, Music, Pictures, Videos, and so on) to any other disk (SSD, or HDD). The one case that I have not been able to repair after this "frozen update" situation arises is an M.2 PCIe SSD used as the boot drive. Even moving the entire installation to a HDD would not allow the update process to proceed. In another situation doing so fixed everything.
In other words, that's not to say that this might happen in every case, but I will point out that Microsoft still does not have a fix for that situation when it does occur.
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U chose to redistribute files to another drive? W10 made the choice?
Why did u wish to place those files elsewhere? drive longevity or file protection.............
and lastly, are you talking about updating to anniversary from a w7 to w10 upgrade or about a w10 clean install to anniversary update?
Since I am getting ready to go there, I want to be aware of as many pitfalls as I can.
:salute
https://ocz.com/us/ssd/rd400-ssd
Got a 256GB, M.2 form factor.
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Moving the libraries is something that has been an option in Windows for a very long time. It allows you to use the same files across the different versions of Windows and is really handy in multi-boot environments. The reason I chose to do it initially was to keep the boot drive size small. The way you do this is to open File Explorer and right click on one of the Libraries (Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos) and choose Properties. There will be tabs on the Properties window and one of them will be Location. You can move the entire library and its contents by using the Move option.
I began doing this because originally my Documents folder exceeded the size of my first SSD even though that SSD was 1TB in size (even now that's a big SSD). My Pictures folder was another offender, and so was Downloads, and even Videos.
There is something you MUST be aware of when you do this. When Microsoft developed Windows 8 (or maybe it was 8.1) the OS would refuse to install if the /Users folder had been moved off of the C:\ drive. People had been doing this to keep the boot drive as small as possible, since they wanted to conserve precious SSD space. Several programs like Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, Audition, and probably many others that I do not use will maintain their media cache files in the User folder. DO NOT move the /User folder. Instead, move the cache. For one thing, the /User folder does not have the ability to be relocated. Worse, if you do that then Windows 8, 8.1, and 10, 10A will enter an unstable state and update issues will result. However, that is not always the cause of the frozen update issue.
The update I'm talking about is every update to Windows 10, since Windows 10 was initially installed. People that have this issue have run Windows update from the very beginning, but the update executes and does not warn them that the update did not work. Instead, the update exits smoothly as if nothing was wrong. The same is true of the W10A update. In every case the notification Window reports "Updates were installed," but the version number reported by the WINVER command remains the same.
Just so you know a little more; my system does not have an M.2 SSD and I have not had the update issue. I did notice that Windows had moved the base Library folders back to the SSD when I updated to W10A, but they were empty. It was just a simple matter of moving the folders again and everything I have in those Libraries is restored. In other words, I was not personally hit with the frozen update issue on my primary PC. However, I did have people that I know come to me with the problem and that is how I found a way to fix their systems so that the OS could update. When I found systems that still would not update I performed the return to HDD and update boot as my own fix and informed MS (yeah, I did that). I still have a few contacts that have not been able to run the update even with the HDD fix.
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New with Windows 10 you can move the ProfilesDirectory (I know; I just told you not to), but the reason you may not want to is the affect it may have on legacy programs. I think the decision to change this behavior may be the root of the problem now, but that's up to MS to discover.
Whatever you do, DO NOT move your ProgramData folder. Yes, there is a way to point to a new location, but that will cause any and all service updates to fail just like the frozen update issue. MS has hinted that this might be the problem, but if so it must be a utility associated with relocating an OS to an SSD rather than the users because of the shear number of users involved.
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tbh, seems like a lot of trouble for little gain. Why not just copy the MS structured files contents, then empty?
Only SSD, OS changes I made were moving page file off boot disc and disabling superfetch and prefetch. These things are just wasted cache space. 1ms seek times for SSD.
I try and not use my pc for a storage device. Have a my book live for that.
Looks like this specific concern will not affect moi. I would not call this a bug tho. If you are removing or changing windows base files, then you should expect template problems yes?
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No, this is a feature that is not functioning as designed. It is not a situation like the page file where people have been tweaking things to see which is faster (nothing you do to the page file will be faster). It is just a matter of relocating libraries so that they save space on one drive, or allow the files to be accessed when in another environment.
The simplest way to look at it is that Microsoft dropped the ball. Can they fix it? Unknown. I would bet that their suggestion will center around a completely new installation.
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Could be time for yet another OS reset for me, but I had everything in AHIII working great until today's W10A update came through. Now the game freezes while loading and nothing I can do will allow a smooth exit. Windows will allow me to reboot, but AHIII will not shut down on it's own. Windows Task Manager no longer comes up once the game crashes. Before the update it would open, but Aces High was listed as a 32-bit background process with nothing showing as an active program.
I have scrubbed the game and will try the patch 2 complete installer first.
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http://wccftech.com/download-windows-10-iso/
interesting site, comments from those who know.
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I'm having an issue when I start AH3 on 10 Pro. The initial window for the title screen/clipboard comes up white and won't display until I minimize or maximize the window. The game also has a hard time closing out full screen and returning to desktop without help from the task manager... Any suggestions?
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I'm having an issue when I start AH3 on 10 Pro. The initial window for the title screen/clipboard comes up white and won't display until I minimize or maximize the window. The game also has a hard time closing out full screen and returning to desktop without help from the task manager... Any suggestions?
Would need to see a DXDIAG output to help with that one.
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Here you go. It only shows my integrated video, but I'm running a GeForce GTX 770m. I have the shortcut set to use it rather than the integrated. Wonder if that is part of my issue...
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Have you done the following?:
1) Open the Nvidia Control Panel. ...
2) Select "anage 3D Settings" under "3D Settings".
3) Click on the "Program Settings" tab and select aceshigh9.exe AND aceshigh11.exe.
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Oh I did that first thing a long time ago. It will start in the normal window if I DONT select the NVidia card. When I do select it, it starts in a blank white window until I manipulate the sizing of the window. Full screen works ok once I get the game running.
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Oh I did that first thing a long time ago. It will start in the normal window if I DONT select the NVidia card. When I do select it, it starts in a blank white window until I manipulate the sizing of the window. Full screen works ok once I get the game running.
This is new information. Are you saying the splash screen stays white until you resize or minimze/maximize it? And after that, the window shows fine?