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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1Cane on August 06, 2016, 04:30:53 PM
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I would like to salute the men who served in the Pacific during world war two.
My father was assigned to landing craft and was at Okinawa on this date. It was unknown to him at the time but his older brother was on an aircraft carrier there also. He'd never talked much about it except to say they have trouble with the M1 carbine when fired it would run away and empty magazine.
To all those who served their countries may the rest in peace
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:salute to all that faithfully performed their duty under difficult conditions. Bless the souls of the lives that have seen what terrors can be unleashed by the terrible genius of mankind. :pray
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Is "Hiroshama" a typo or is it a different place than "Hiroshima" ?
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Is "Hiroshama" a typo or is it a different place than "Hiroshima" ?
You know what he meant.
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"WTF was that!" Mayor of Hiroshima, 0815 hours, 6 August 1945
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Intresting facts:
1. The US Airforce before dropping the A-bomb, dropped pamphlets in Hiroshima warning people of the bombing.
2. For decades, the mayor of Hiroshima, Tadatoshi Akiba wrote letters of protest each time a nuclear test was conducted, as a plea to end the use of nuclear weapons.
3. The Flame of Peace in Hiroshima, Japan has burned since 1964 in honor of the victims and will be extinguished only when all nuclear weapons are removed from the world and the Earth is free from nuclear threat.
4. After the first Hiroshima atomic bombing in Japan, one Hiroshima policeman went to Nagasaki to teach police about ducking after the atomic flash. As a result of this timely warning, not a single Nagasaki policeman died in Nagasaki’s atomic blast.
5. In 1945, a man named Tsutomu Yamaguchi survived the atomic blast at Hiroshima, dragged himself into an air-raid shelter, spent the night there, in the morning caught a train so he could arrive at his job on time in Nagasaki, where he survived another atomic blast.
6. The oleander is the official flower of the city of Hiroshima because it was the first thing to bloom again after the explosion of the atomic bomb in 1945.
7. About 12 cyanide pills were kept in the cockpit of the Enola Gay (plane carrying A-bomb), and pilots were instructed to take them if the mission was compromised during the bombing of Hiroshima
8. Only 3 of the 12 people on board the Enola Gay actually knew the real purpose of their mission to Hiroshima.
9. After the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, hundreds of people (many of them already injured), made their way towards Nagasaki. Of these, 165 survived, both the bombings and lived to tell the tale.
10. An American made bank vault saved the contents from the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. After reconstruction of the bank, the new manager sent a congratulatory letter to the vault manufacturer.
11. “Hiroshima shadows”: When the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, the intensity of the blast was of such intensity that it permanently burned shadows of people and objects into the ground.
12. In 1945, Japanese radar operators detected a small number of incoming US planes (one of which carried the nuclear bombs to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki), but decided not to intercept them as the small number of planes were not seen as a threat.
13. The most destructive bombing event of WWII was neither Hiroshima nor Nagasaki. It was the Operation Meetinghouse, the American firebombing of Tokyo.
14. The Gingko Biloba species of three is 270 million years old. It rarely suffers disease or insect attack and was one of the only living things to survive the Hiroshima nuclear bombing. The trees healed quickly and are still alive today.
15. The ancient board game of “Go” was being played at a tournament in Hiroshima in 1945, when the atomic bomb went off only 3 miles away. Though the building was damaged and people were injured, they finished the match later that same afternoon (white won)
16. “Horton Hears a Who” was an allegory about Hiroshima and the America’s occupation of Japan and may have been Dr. Seuss’s way of apologizing for his support of Japanese Internment. – Source
17. It took Tokyo about 3 hours before they realized Hiroshima had been bombed.
18. The USA originally denied that atomic bombs caused any lingering radioactivity whatsoever, calling such claims as Japanese propaganda. Even New York Times ran an article with the headline “NO RADIOACTIVITY IN HIROSHIMA RUIN,” citing only military sources and ignoring eyewitness accounts of radiation sickness.
19. The Japanese army planned to have every man, woman and child to fight America to the death Kamikaze style even after Hiroshima. They even attempted a coup when the Emperor gave word to surrender
20. The closest known survivor of the Hiroshima atomic bomb was in a basement only 170m (560 ft) from ground zero.
21. Godzilla was created by Japan as a reaction to the bombings of Hiroshima, the monster itself spawning as a result of the nuclear detonations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
22. During WW2, the Japanese city of Kyoto was spared from atomic destruction solely by Henry L Stimson; the sitting US Secretary of War who had admired the city during his honeymoon decades earlier. Nagasaki took its place on the list.
23. Major Charles Sweeny, the pilot of the B29 that nuked Nagasaki, ignored direct orders during the bombing, nearly causing the plane to crash due to low fuel. Instead of investigating Sweeny’s conduct, the chief of staff for the Strategic Air Forces simply stated “You diddlyed up, didn’t you, Chuck?”
24. Around 25% of the deaths caused by the atomic bombs in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were conscripted Koreans.
25. The US dropped about 49 practice bombs nicknamed “pumpkin bombs” that killed 400 and injured 1,200 before nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
26. If the Japanese had not surrendered on August 15, 1945, they would have been hit by a third and potentially more powerful atomic bomb just a few days later and then, eventually, an additional barrage of up to 12 further nuclear attacks.
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26 is incorrect. Grossly incorrect.
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Since we only had 4 at the time and tested 2
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26 is incorrect. Grossly incorrect.
IDK. Never said when they would drop them but U.S must had enough to make 12 more or could produced. I will have to research more on it.
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I'm sure there were more scheduled for production, but there were only 4 available at first. 2 uranium bombs and 2 plutonium bombs. 2 were tested in the desert, the other 2 went to Japan.
Another fun fact, Truman was completely unaware of the Manhattan project as vice president. Only after FDR died and he was sworn in did Sam Rayburn let him in on the little secret.
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I'm sure there were more scheduled for production, but there were only 4 available at first. 2 uranium bombs and 2 plutonium bombs. 2 were tested in the desert, the other 2 went to Japan.
Another fun fact, Truman was completely unaware of the Manhattan project as vice president. Only after FDR died and he was sworn in did Sam Rayburn let him in on the little secret.
Fact is there are a lot of top secrets out there that has not got out into public or shared.
I read something of one town in Japan, starts with "K" I believe, that was the primary target - twice. It faith was saved do to weather conditions.
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Another fact is that Berlin would have bombed if the Narzzies had not surrendered :old:
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I'm sure there were more scheduled for production, but there were only 4 available at first. 2 uranium bombs and 2 plutonium bombs. 2 were tested in the desert, the other 2 went to Japan.
Another fun fact, Truman was completely unaware of the Manhattan project as vice president. Only after FDR died and he was sworn in did Sam Rayburn let him in on the little secret.
Bingo. We had to wait another six months for the next batch. So bloodshed would have resumed.
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Truman wrote in his diary that he wasn't going to drop any more.
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26 is incorrect. Grossly incorrect.
# 26, Agreed, after they dropped the second one, the covered was bare. Also # 1 is incorrect, the US Air Force did not exist until 1948. The US Army Air Corp. dropped the only Atomic weapons during WWII.
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My sister was born on this date. I knew she was trouble.
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# 26, Agreed, after they dropped the second one, the covered was bare. Also # 1 is incorrect, the US Air Force did not exist until 1948. The US Army Air Corp. dropped the only Atomic weapons during WWII.
Actually, it was the US Army Air Forces, or AAF, that dropped the bombs. The US Army Air Corp was re-designated the US Army Air Forces on June 20, 1941, six months before Pearl Harbor. :salute Incidentally, it was the National Security Act of 1947 that created the UN Air Force. My father was serving at the time, and ended up on the AF side of fence following the transition.
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There were going to be at least 7 tactical atomic bombs for the invasion of Japan. I'll dig up the source I read that in. It's either "Dirty Little Secrets of World War II" or "Citizen Soldier".
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In 1957, Marshall gave some details of his invasion plans for the atomic bomb:
"There were three corps to come in there [to invade Japan], as I recall. ...there were to be three bombs for each corps that was landing. One or two, but probably one, as a preliminary, then this landing, then another one further inland against the immediate supports, and then the third against any troops that might try to come through the mountains from up on the Inland Sea. That was the rough idea in our minds." (Bland, George C. Marshall: Interviews and Reminiscences for Forrest C. Pogue, pg. 424).
And another source stating 6 to 9 tactical atomic bombs would be used:
https://books.google.com/books?id=A2Zv3VD6ptQC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=tactical+atomic+bombs+Invasion+of+Japan&source=bl&ots=pkx9hz7D-8&sig=RU_jiZTDOdULW9-tB3AB5cZmQN8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjel6jCkrXOAhVC6SYKHdaMASQQ6AEIVTAI#v=onepage&q=tactical%20atomic%20bombs%20Invasion%20of%20Japan&f=false
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And another source stating 6 to 9 tactical atomic bombs would be used:
https://books.google.com/books?id=A2Zv3VD6ptQC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=tactical+atomic+bombs+Invasion+of+Japan&source=bl&ots=pkx9hz7D-8&sig=RU_jiZTDOdULW9-tB3AB5cZmQN8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjel6jCkrXOAhVC6SYKHdaMASQQ6AEIVTAI#v=onepage&q=tactical%20atomic%20bombs%20Invasion%20of%20Japan&f=false
Yes, that was their plan, however, there was only enough material to build 4 bombs total and that took almost 16 months to gather. The first two were test bombs. If they had waited for those additional bombs to be built the war would have drug on for years and US casualties would have mounted . That's why Truman had them drop the bombs without the follow up invasion. He guessed that once they saw how terrible this weapon was they would surrender.
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Another fact is that Berlin would have bombed if the Narzzies had not surrendered :old:
Sorry my mistake "if the Narzzies had not lost"
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Another fact is that Berlin would have bombed if the Narzzies had not surrendered :old:
Did you mean to say "Another fact is that Berlin would have been bombed"?
The use of the Weapon in EU was discussed and ruled out after the break out in December of 45. The concerns were one; there were no American Air Craft in EU theater of operation that could carry the bomb. Fat Man was over 10 tons, the B17 was to small. Two; if for any reason they dropped the bomb and it didn't function. Germany would now have the bomb and the talent to reverse engineer. If they dropped the bomb in Japan and it didn't go off, Japan would have the bomb but not the talent to reverse engineer it. There was never an operational plan developed to drop the bomb on Berlin.
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Could B29's not fly to Europe and they could not build a runway in Britain?
I doubt anything would have left to reverse engineer.
Is the Euraniuim in the bomb radioactive if the bomb does not explode?
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Could B29's not fly to Europe and they could not build a runway in Britain?
I believe they didn't build British runways long enough for B-29s until the Berlin Airlift.
- oldman
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Could B29's not fly to Europe and they could not build a runway in Britain?
I doubt anything would have left to reverse engineer.
Is the Euraniuim in the bomb radioactive if the bomb does not explode?
The discussion was held with the President and the Logistics of moving a B29 group and Training another Special B29 Group to carry the bomb was thought to be unnecessary and would only delay the end of the war. Germany was for the most part finished and was expected to surrender before a new B29 Group could be Trained for the Bomb, and moved and established in England. There was also the possibility that the bomb dropped in Germany if it didn't work, we would have given them the bomb and they might have reversed engineered it. This is not based on what I think. This is from the notes of the meeting by the General Staff and the President of the USA. The out come , was an order by the President to continue with the current plan which was to bomb Japan only. With Rossvelt's death, it was left to Truman to give the final order to actually drop it.
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Is the Euraniuim in the bomb radioactive if the bomb does not explode?
Yes, it might have been left as a dirty bomb.
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I doubt anything would have left to reverse engineer.
You would think so, however, I have first had experience of bombs that failed to explode dropped from B52's flying at FL 330. They were conventional 500lb bomb used against the North Vietnamese on the infiltration routs to the south. We would do sweeps through the area and part of our job was to locate the unexploded Ords before the VietCong did and blow them in place. I was always very surprised at how little damage there was to the bomb casing.
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I bought some tubeless wheel rims for my SX Lambretta from a Vietnam company called ScooterRS. :)
Probly made from steel made in the US :)
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Could B29's not fly to Europe and they could not build a runway in Britain?
I believe they didn't build British runways long enough for B-29s until the Berlin Airlift.
- oldman
Not true at all in either case. There was a single B-29 sent to England as a demonstration/propaganda effort. Since it toured the English country side, it the B-29 was obviously able to land and take off from the larger US/RAF bases.
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#22 is also wrong.
Stimson didn't object to Kyoto being on the target list because he visited it while he was (as some accounts put it) either the Governor-General to the Philippines and visited Kyoto in the '30s and fell in love with it or he fell in love with the city during his honeymoon. In any event, both accounts are incorrect. In none of Stimson's writings during or after the event mentions anything about visiting Kyoto in the '30s or during his honeymoon as the reason why he objected so much when Kyoto was put on the target list. He objected because Kyoto was the cultural center and one time capital of Japan and as such, had a far more concentration of influential Japanese intellectuals that he felt that if we dropped an atom bomb on Kyoto that it would drive the Japanese to the Soviet camp and we'd lose any post-war influence over Japan and the region.
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Not true at all in either case. There was a single B-29 sent to England as a demonstration/propaganda effort. Since it toured the English country side, it the B-29 was obviously able to land and take off from the larger US/RAF bases.
It also would be flying 'light'. That is, no bombs carried and with reduced fuel.
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I bought some tubeless wheel rims for my SX Lambretta from a Vietnam company called ScooterRS. :)
Probly made from steel made in the US :)
There is no ScooterRS registered in Vietnam. Did you mean "ScootRS" Any steel imported to Vietnam would be coming from China, not the US. The only thing we export to Vietnam is US Dollars.
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The only thing we export to Vietnam is US Dollars.
You would be incorrect.
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You would be incorrect.
Which US company do you know of that is exporting a product to Vietnam for sale in Vietnam?
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Which US company do you know of that is exporting a product to Vietnam for sale in Vietnam?
My company sells insurance in Vietnam....
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Which US company do you know of that is exporting a product to Vietnam for sale in Vietnam?
There is plenty of information about this online. But start with Coca-Cola. This should not be a shocker.
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pepsi-cola, budweiser, think some cars, airplanes, dont forget guns and ammo.
semp
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Salute to the most thorough invasion of japanese lands EVER
invasion of manchuria
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There is plenty of information about this online. But start with Coca-Cola. This should not be a shocker.
That is one large corporation made up of many sub corporations, If you go to the Coca-Cola corporate site you will see that Asia sector of the corporation has about a dozen sub-corporation and the one that services Vietnam is incorporated in The People's Republic of China. Also, from my reading, it appears that the main holding company for Coca Cola is in Ireland. The corporate presents in North America is the Coca-Cola Bottling Company. It's all become a very big shell game. So does Coca-Cola Bottling Company sale product in Vietnam, the answer would be no, The Coca-Cola Beverage Company incorporated in the People's Republic of China does.
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There is no ScooterRS registered in Vietnam. Did you mean "ScootRS" Any steel imported to Vietnam would be coming from China, not the US. The only thing we export to Vietnam is US Dollars.
my wheels are made from 1960's ordinance made in the US (UXB's)