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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Serenity on August 16, 2016, 06:09:11 AM
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... our ejection seats work. Not me flying, but my squadron Sunday night. I don't know who was up just yet (They took our schedule offline so I couldn't check, and the rumor mill hasn't spun up just yet) nor have they released the cause, but it IS a bit sobering.
http://www.alicetx.com/article/20160814/NEWS/160819612/17688/NEWS
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uh oh, hope everyone's okay. :eek:
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Heh, sobering no doubt, glad it wasn't you that had to take that ride.
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I'm glad they are alive. But they are not ok. Ejection seats really damage your back.
Source: Book I read on the history of ejection seats.
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I'm glad they are alive. But they are not ok. Ejection seats really damage your back.
Source: Book I read on the history of ejection seats.
Well, yes, it's going to hurt, but the mishap report will read "Both pilots ejected OK"
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Yes, the report might say that. But when I say it hurts your back, it really hurts your back. But, far better than being dead.
It is generally accepted that radiographic evidence of vertebral fracture can be found in 30%–70% of aircrew after ejection.5, 6
http://emj.bmj.com/content/17/5/371.full
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What doesn't kill you hurts your back.
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Yes, the report might say that. But when I say it hurts your back, it really hurts your back. But, far better than being dead.
http://emj.bmj.com/content/17/5/371.full
I'm not disagreeing. But in our world, that's still an OK ejection. They didn't hit the aircraft. They didn't hit the canopy. They didn't hit anything else. The seats functioned as they were supposed to. Both crew members landed, alive, and are still alive. That is an OK ejection in the industry.
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I spoke to a Hornet pilot that ejected up here, he was under the command of a friend of mine who is the CO now of the fighter test/eval unit, but had the demonstration pilot under his command back before that. It was 5 or 6 years ago, his F18 had a problem with one engine at very low alt doing a high alpha air show pass, and it stalled, which stalled the airflow over the wing, etc etc etc, and he pulled the handle at very, very low altitude. Brian Bews is his name. He was lucky, he had pain and took 6 months to recover, but by month 7 was back in the cockpit, and now lives a couple blocks from where I am now, and is a fighter lead in course instructor on the Hawk trainer. He told me it was sort of a good news/bad news ejection, while he was at low altitude, he was also at very low airspeed, which means less wind shock/violence from ejecting into a 4 or 500 knot wind blast - or higher - yet due to the attitude of the plane the seat had to fire it's thrusters to right the seat, which puts more G on a different angle/plane on the ejection than one straight and level would. His thought process that he talks about is interesting, how in a just an instant he recalls thinking through the possibility of landing the jet still on one motor, then seeing it depart, and thinking about people on the ground, and then actually making the "it's too late to do anything but bounce" decision and then yanking the handle.
I had a high school friend, Cliff DeJong, whose father died while we were in school together, having conciously stayed in a malfunctioning Snowbird air demo jet to get it away from the crowds (he reported this on the radio comms), and then once clear tried ejecting, but something failed in the system and he rode it in and died. It's a serious thing, having to eject. Or not to, especially deciding not to in order to save others.
Video of the Lethbridge Hornet crash Brian Bews survived, and was 100% after about 6 months he said, with no loss of height or back problems now 6 years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDIxzSMp-0
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At least you have an ejection seat, here's what is sobering, my co-workers last week. Smoke in the cockpit a few minutes into the flight. :salute
(http://static.lakana.com/bmg-krcrtv-media-us-east-1/photo/2016/08/03/MEMORIAL_1470292158183_3228988_ver1.0_640_360.jpg)
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Be careful.
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I read somewhere that there is an unwritten rule somewhere that if you eject 3 times they pretty much ground you for good because of the damage it causes to the body. Could be BS, but it sounds plausible to me.
Glad everyone is ok. :aok
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:salute
At least you have an ejection seat, here's what is sobering, my co-workers last week. Smoke in the cockpit a few minutes into the flight. :salute
(http://static.lakana.com/bmg-krcrtv-media-us-east-1/photo/2016/08/03/MEMORIAL_1470292158183_3228988_ver1.0_640_360.jpg)
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At least you have an ejection seat, here's what is sobering, my co-workers last week. Smoke in the cockpit a few minutes into the flight. :salute
(http://static.lakana.com/bmg-krcrtv-media-us-east-1/photo/2016/08/03/MEMORIAL_1470292158183_3228988_ver1.0_640_360.jpg)
I'm sorry to see three more lost far too soon. I'll be the first to admit, I'm a lot more daring in the jet solely because of the seat. It's a big confidence builder to know you always have the option to GTFO. The hardest part of seeing any plane or helo crashes for me is always seeing just how much time the crew had between catasrophe and impact. What must go through your mind, knowing there's nothing left you can do, but still having time to know what's coming...
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... our ejection seats work. Not me flying, but my squadron Sunday night. I don't know who was up just yet (They took our schedule offline so I couldn't check, and the rumor mill hasn't spun up just yet) nor have they released the cause, but it IS a bit sobering.
http://www.alicetx.com/article/20160814/NEWS/160819612/17688/NEWS
These are the two pilots Brandon Wells and Evan Rose. it was in the link you posted, now you know Who, not Why?
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These are the two pilots Brandon Wells and Evan Rose. it was in the link you posted, now you know Who, not Why?
Must have been an update to the article. Yeah, I got the names firsthand at work after this posting, but didn't want to be the one to put it out to the world. Rose was on BI-4103, so it was only his third flight in the jet. We still haven't received word on the why though.
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I read somewhere that there is an unwritten rule somewhere that if you eject 3 times they pretty much ground you for good because of the damage it causes to the body. Could be BS, but it sounds plausible to me.
Glad everyone is ok. :aok
I'm no pilot or anything but...what?
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I'm no pilot or anything but...what?
I'm no pilot either, but it sounds like the same concept they have for us on the ground. If we get blown up 3 times in a tour (IEDs and other decent blasts), we have to get sent out of theatre to a neurosurgeon to make sure our brain and spine jellies are all good to go. Safety precaution. Plus, I figure if you've ejected 3 times they're basically tired of you crashing their airplanes :devil
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I meant assuming that it's accurate the bigger concern would be the fact that Mr magoo can seemingly get a pilots license in the first place. that or I wouldn't want to be standing near the guy in a lightning storm either as he's cursed.
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I meant assuming that it's accurate the bigger concern would be the fact that Mr magoo can seemingly get a pilots license in the first place. that or I wouldn't want to be standing near the guy in a lightning storm either as he's cursed.
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Lol yeah that's kinda my thought process. I've met several folks who've ejected once... Never one who's ejected twice... And of the single trip guys, I know three who were so messed up they couldn't fly again.