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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: MajWoody on August 25, 2016, 05:18:01 PM
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I downloaded Never 10 and ever since then I have not been able to download my windows updates in Win 7. It shows that I have 11 security updates waiting to download but they never download no matter how long I leave the computer on to download and install them.
Anyone else having this issue?
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I put never 10 on 3 windows 7 computers. One updates fine. One lagged a month but then started updating again. The third doesn't even find updates when I do a search. I uninstalled Never 10 but it made no difference. I'm not sure it's caused by Never 10 since only one of my 3 seems to have a serious update problem. You may want to check this thread.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,380698.0.html
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Never10 doesn't actually install anything, but it does make configuration changes to Windows 7. You may wish to read through the technical details in order to get the updates you are looking for.
https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm
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Never 10 didn't do that to me. But this may be what's happening to you.
http://wu.krelay.de/en/ (http://wu.krelay.de/en/)
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There's been a LOT of trouble getting updates especially for Windows 7. It may be because the constant updating of Win10 may be prioritized on the MS servers.
The latest issue I had was with a fresh install of Win7 SP1. No matter what I did, it couldn't find any updates in the 12 hours or so I let each fix run before interrupting. I've heard similar stories from other tech shops, one even reinstalled it thrice from different medias to make sure it wasn't an issue with the installation itself.
On my own system I have run Never 10. My updates have been set to manual and "only install critical updates". Last time I ran the update it took about six hours to find the updates.
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There's been a LOT of trouble getting updates especially for Windows 7. It may be because the constant updating of Win10 may be prioritized on the MS servers....<snip>
One of these might help explain what's happening with windows update.
http://wu.krelay.de/en/info.htm (http://wu.krelay.de/en/info.htm)
http://superuser.com/questions/890038/why-is-checking-windows-update-so-slow/935299#935299 (http://superuser.com/questions/890038/why-is-checking-windows-update-so-slow/935299#935299)
My Vista 64 computer refused to update even after sitting checking updates for 3 days until I did this fix. It had been 10 months since last update so it still took about 45 minutes even after the fix.
http://wu.krelay.de/en/ (http://wu.krelay.de/en/)
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<snip>...The latest issue I had was with a fresh install of Win7 SP1. No matter what I did, it couldn't find any updates in the 12 hours or so I let each fix run before interrupting. I've heard similar stories from other tech shops, one even reinstalled it thrice from different medias to make sure it wasn't an issue with the installation itself...<snip>
Bizman I just did a fresh install of Windows 7 Pro 64 last weekend and running the fix above got it working. Between windows and ms office it seemed like there were about 500 updates and they kept coming in waves. The 1st wave was about 260 updates. It sucked having to check for that lame windows 10 crap.
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Thanks, Drane. Those explain why Windows Update is slow. However, it doesn't explain why it has become so much slower than it used to be. The speed has decreased exponentially in just half a year or so. What used to take half an hour a year ago, took a couple of hours in the spring and now it can take 24+ hours to find the list of available updates on a fresh install. There's been roughly half a dozen critical updates a month for Win7 including the monthly malicious software removal tool, and for what I've seen the total amount to be installed after using a standard Win7 SP1 installation media has raised from ~130 to ~155 on the first run plus the ~20 updates to the updates installed in the first batch during the last year or so.
Bizman I just did a fresh install of Windows 7 Pro 64 last weekend and running the fix above got it working. Between windows and ms office it seemed like there were about 500 updates and they kept coming waves. The 1st wave was about 260 updates.
I tried that, too. At first I tried to install the first update on the list, let it search for installed updates for an hour or so, when I noticed that for a fresh install they recommended one single update of the Update Client. So I rebooted and tried that. It didn't do the trick overnight.
It sucked having to check for that lame windows 10 crap.
Those can very easily be avoided by changing the settings to install critical updates only. That also reduces the total amount of updates from 500 to 200.
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The windows 7 disk I used for that computer didn't have SP1 so I patched SP1 before trying to update.
I agree the recommended updates aren't necessary but since that computer is for my wife I went through them.
The 1st run at update did take a while but don't know exactly how long because I left to run errands and when I got back a few hours later it was ready. I didn't pay attention to the message about when the checks were complete.
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I downloaded Never 10 and ever since then I have not been able to download my windows updates in Win 7. It shows that I have 11 security updates waiting to download but they never download no matter how long I leave the computer on to download and install them.
Anyone else having this issue?
MajWoody here is a possible method for fixing the download stuck at 0% issue. This has worked for me in the past.
http://www.zerodollartips.com/fix-windows-updates-stuck-0/ (http://www.zerodollartips.com/fix-windows-updates-stuck-0/)
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Thanks guys for all of the input. Last night I left it stuck at zero again all night for the umteenth time and to my surprise when I got up this morning it had downloaded the 11 security updates that I had checked. All is well again. If it happens again I'll revisit this thread and apply your fix's.
Thanks again :cheers:
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Thanks guys for all of the input. Last night I left it stuck at zero again all night for the umteenth time and to my surprise when I got up this morning it had downloaded the 11 security updates that I had checked. All is well again. If it happens again I'll revisit this thread and apply your fix's.
Thanks again :cheers:
That's the way I've found out it works nowadays. Just leave it overnight and if you're lucky the updates will be finished when you wake up. Nothing wrong with our systems, it's on the other end. Or at least that's how it looks like.
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Oh, it is absolutely on the other end. Microsoft appears to be deliberately delaying Windows updates to anyone not running Windows 10. It is another way to try and coerce people to change to Windows 10.
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Installing a fresh copy of windows 7 pro 64 on another computer this morning has been a pleasure for a change.
Manually installed KB3138612, the latest update client for win 7 x64, prior to going online.
Updates searches have been quick, just a few minutes. Must have caught them in a lull for downloads.
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Oh, it is absolutely on the other end. Microsoft appears to be deliberately delaying Windows updates to anyone not running Windows 10. It is another way to try and coerce people to change to Windows 10.
Skuzzy I agree. I am running Win 8.1 with no problems and have Win10 blocked. I received about 40 updates a week ago and not received another since. I know my ver. of 8.1 is not currant.
Something smells rotten in Denmark!...Well........not Denmark. Microsoft.
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(cough)There is one way to fix this *cough* update problem [cough]>cough <linux@cough@#cough# ;)
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Oh, it is absolutely on the other end. Microsoft appears to be deliberately delaying Windows updates to anyone not running Windows 10. It is another way to try and coerce people to change to Windows 10.
That's got to be it. There's just no way that it can be linked to the 3rd party software installed on people compters. :uhoh
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That's got to be it. There's just no way that it can be linked to the 3rd party software installed on people compters. :uhoh
Considering I have a box stock Windows 7 system (nothing but AH installed) to test with and it takes over 24 hours to get a list of updates, I would say it has nothing to do with third party software.
Go put a network analyzer on your Windows 7 Ethernet port and get back to me with your findings. More than happy to exchange information about that.
One other fact to chew on. These long delays for getting updates coincided with the "Get Windows 10" marketing program.
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I would love to take you up on that so we can have a splendid conversation and compare notes. However, I am unable to accomplish the task you suggested at the current time as I'm trying to recover some files that mysteriously got deleted off my computer when Windows shut down on me in the middle of editing a video and did some sort of update. Once I have successfully recovered the data and figured out who has been using my credit card then I will be able to follow up on this experiment and we'll be able to get to the underlying problem at hand.
Also, do you have any ETA on when my computer is suppose to break on me like you have stated before? I'd like to know beforehand and prepare for such an event.
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latrobe I havent been able to do any updates on my computer for several months now. it took almost 24hr last night just to check for updates untill i finally gave up and closed it.
I have no 3rd party software other than ah2 and 3 and wot. plus firefox and palemoon. and by far I am not the only one not getting updates.
semp
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That's got to be it. There's just no way that it can be linked to the 3rd party software installed on people compters. :uhoh
I'd like to know which third party programs might be involved in a fresh install performed from a plain vanilla Microsoft CD.
Oh, of course, the motherboard drivers, they were from Asus. Silly me. :bolt:
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Also, do you have any ETA on when my computer is suppose to break on me like you have stated before? I'd like to know beforehand and prepare for such an event.
I have no idea when you might repeat the circumstances which lead up to your problems with your previous operating system.
I get you have a personal problem with me. If that is the basis for these posts, then private message me and lets work it out. Imposing these misdirections on the community is not helping anyone.
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guys, there is a hotfix for the vanilla win7 sp1 not updating, that issue is characterized by a svchost using a full core while searching for the update
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Win7 post SP1 updates as one patch: http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574 (http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574) . Note that you'll have to use Internet Explorer to be able to use the site.
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Win7 post SP1 updates as one patch: http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574 (http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Search.aspx?q=3125574) . Note that you'll have to use Internet Explorer to be able to use the site.
Am I correct in assuming this is for a fresh install and not for a computer that has just stopped getting updates for a month or two?
I have 3 win7 computers. My AH machine downloaded updates very quickly today. My wife's laptop has been searching for updates for 3 hours and found nothing. I haven't tried my laptop yet this week but it hasn't updated for a couple of months.
Meanwhile my one win 10 computer started the cumulative update, got to 45% quickly, and has been stuck at 45% for two hours. I guess the answer is to be patient. Maybe I should just get rid of a computer or two to minimize the frustration. :bhead :bhead :bhead
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If your Win 10 cumulative update KB3189866 down load is stuck somewhere between 45% and 95% check this out.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3120225/microsoft-windows/heres-how-to-install-balky-windows-10-cumulative-patch-kb-3189866.html
I had it installed within 15min. The only thing I don't like is that windows update still shows the download stuck at 45%. I hope that doesn't mean problems down the line.
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If your Win 10 cumulative update KB3189866 down load is stuck somewhere between 45% and 95% check this out.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3120225/microsoft-windows/heres-how-to-install-balky-windows-10-cumulative-patch-kb-3189866.html
I had it installed within 15min. The only thing I don't like is that windows update still shows the download stuck at 45%. I hope that doesn't mean problems down the line.
I just did that today and was going to inform you people about it, but I couldn't remember the KB number. Thank you for putting it here.
There were some problems manually installing it. After asking about installing the ActiveX component in Internet Explorer nothing happened and as was said in the link Condor provided, it won't work with other browsers. Instead of fiddling with RSS feeds I found this site with direct links to the downloads: http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/14/kb3189866-stuck-at-45-or-95-install-it-manually-instead/ (http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/14/kb3189866-stuck-at-45-or-95-install-it-manually-instead/). A download of 10 minutes plus some more to install it, reboot and check for updates: Voilà! Your system is up to date, 40 € thank you.
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This morning the 45% download message was gone with an update error message and try again button. I hit the button, it checked for updates and found none. I now have KB3189866 without that leftover partial download message.
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Ahh microsoft update....manually checked for updates on my 8.1 pro x64 pc this morning, which is set to never check for updates, and it only took about 45 seconds to come back with a list of 17 updates. Then only another 3 minutes to download about 15 megs and install them. Yayyyy! This is my gaming pc.
However....My two win 7 pro x64 PCs, which were up to date, are set to automatically check for updates and let me choose which to download.
Well...one of them beat itself silly for about 6 hours (could tell because brought up resource monitor to watch the fun) to check for updates, then took about an hour to download them.
The other win 7 pc has been beating itself silly for a couple days now trying to check for updates and still isn't done.
Both win 7 PCs run at about 50% CPU duty cycle just for the update checks.