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Title: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: tuton25 on September 17, 2016, 09:08:04 PM
I really wish the F3 mode was fixed like it was in AHIII....
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: BowHTR on September 17, 2016, 09:10:01 PM
I really wish the F3 mode was fixed like it was in AHII

Fixed
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: tuton25 on September 17, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
Fixed

lol, thank you
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on September 17, 2016, 09:18:06 PM
What are you really asking for? Are the arena settings incorrect? Is the farther F5 external pan locked in too close? Please, be specific.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: tuton25 on September 17, 2016, 09:53:43 PM
What are you really asking for? Are the arena settings incorrect? Is the farther F5 external pan locked in too close? Please, be specific.

Sorry, in AHIII the F3 view is automatically leveled when you are flying, and it becomes really disorienting if you are trying to shoot backwards in an AR-234 because the camera flops all over the place. In AHII the F3 view was fixed level with the wings, the same way the view changes in the standard F1 view.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on September 17, 2016, 11:07:53 PM
Ah, yes I had noticed that, except I like it!
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: BowHTR on September 18, 2016, 12:45:36 AM
Ah, yes I had noticed that, except I like it!

same here cause it allows me to look around using TrackIR when taxiing
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lyric1 on September 18, 2016, 01:29:24 AM
Sorry, in AHIII the F3 view is automatically leveled when you are flying, and it becomes really disorienting if you are trying to shoot backwards in an AR-234 because the camera flops all over the place. In AHII the F3 view was fixed level with the wings, the same way the view changes in the standard F1 view.

Hopefully this problem will be fixed with the AR-234B update. :D

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Arado%20AR-234/img299_zpsweqrr9n5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Arado%20AR-234/img299_zpsweqrr9n5.jpg.html)
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: FLS on September 18, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
Hopefully this problem will be fixed with the AR-234B update. :D

There are other books making different claims as you know.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lyric1 on September 18, 2016, 04:30:35 PM
There are other books making different claims as you know.

Yes and I have proven that they are wrong.  The one book you hold onto in particular that has Brown commentary that he makes no mention of any defensive armament & has a cutaway drawing with guns that he did not draw. I have found every AR-234B that Brown was involved with and have photos of all of them & none have rear facing guns.
The book that is quoted above was printed in 2015 not 30 or more years ago.

So find me the ones he flew or had anything to do with that had rear guns. You already contacted the National Air and Space Museum at the Smithsonian.
They gave you the same letter that I have.
What do you know that a museum of that stature has wrong?
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: tuton25 on September 18, 2016, 08:10:59 PM
Hopefully this problem will be fixed with the AR-234B update. :D

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Arado%20AR-234/img299_zpsweqrr9n5.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Arado%20AR-234/img299_zpsweqrr9n5.jpg.html)

If this game was about 100% historical accuracy, then we wouldn't have Lancasters escorted by La-7s and Bf-109s being shot down by Zeros and 51s. I don't mind bending history a little to make the game a little more fun...
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lyric1 on September 18, 2016, 08:18:49 PM
If this game was about 100% historical accuracy, then we wouldn't have Lancasters escorted by La-7s and Bf-109s being shot down by Zeros and 51s. I don't mind bending history a little to make the game a little more fun...

Don't need to bend history at all when it comes to the AR-234B and having fun with armed versions.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Arado%20AR-234/ar234b1-2_zps4nrtiod7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Arado%20AR-234/ar234b1-2_zps4nrtiod7.jpg.html)

Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: save on September 19, 2016, 09:18:49 AM

If this game was about 100% historical accuracy, then we wouldn't have Lancasters escorted by La-7s and Bf-109s being shot down by Zeros and 51s. I don't mind bending history a little to make the game a little more fun...

We already allow 100% throttle in formations, everyone who have flown in formation know it's practically impossible,
and so is 4g+ turnfight in a bomber with full bombload (A20).

Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on September 19, 2016, 09:23:50 AM
save, you're okay with mounting guns on a plane that never had them? Then why not put cannons on an Allison powered P-51? That would make the game a lot more fun for me, especially when I see Arados.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 19, 2016, 01:29:45 PM
If this game was about 100% historical accuracy, then we wouldn't have Lancasters escorted by La-7s and Bf-109s being shot down by Zeros and 51s. I don't mind bending history a little to make the game a little more fun...

It would only be a historical inaccuracy if we were trying to re-create WW2 with AH3.  We're not, all we're doing in AH3 is using WW2 aircraft/vehicles to simulate aerial combat in our own little war over some wayward sheep.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Randy1 on September 19, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
Sorry, in AHIII the F3 view is automatically leveled when you are flying, and it becomes really disorienting if you are trying to shoot backwards in an AR-234 because the camera flops all over the place. In AHII the F3 view was fixed level with the wings, the same way the view changes in the standard F1 view.

And there lies the problem, shooting in F3 mode.  F3 view should limited to view only.  No shooting.  No flying.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: hitech on September 19, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
It would only be a historical inaccuracy if we were trying to re-create WW2 with AH3.  We're not, all we're doing in AH3 is using WW2 aircraft/vehicles to simulate aerial combat in our own little war over some wayward sheep.

I resent that remark, our sheep are NOT wayward.

HiTech
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: FLS on September 19, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
Yes and I have proven that they are wrong.  The one book you hold onto in particular that has Brown commentary that he makes no mention of any defensive armament & has a cutaway drawing with guns that he did not draw. I have found every AR-234B that Brown was involved with and have photos of all of them & none have rear facing guns.
The book that is quoted above was printed in 2015 not 30 or more years ago.

So find me the ones he flew or had anything to do with that had rear guns. You already contacted the National Air and Space Museum at the Smithsonian.
They gave you the same letter that I have.
What do you know that a museum of that stature has wrong?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The appeal to authority is a false logic.

Brown's experience with the Arado went beyond his flight testing of a few models.

I've said you make a good case but it's not conclusive.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Oldman731 on September 19, 2016, 08:20:02 PM
I resent that remark, our sheep are NOT wayward.


We have photos.

(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/Oldman731/sheep5.png) (http://s1234.photobucket.com/user/Oldman731/media/sheep5.png.html)

- oldman
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on September 19, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

It's like saying a positive is the equivalent of two negatives. It's tripe!
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lyric1 on September 19, 2016, 11:30:45 PM
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The appeal to authority is a false logic.

Brown's experience with the Arado went beyond his flight testing of a few models.

I've said you make a good case but it's not conclusive.

(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Arado%20AR-234/2014-10-21_12-07-44_zpsuhjlrfx8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Arado%20AR-234/2014-10-21_12-07-44_zpsuhjlrfx8.jpg.html)

Enough with the Batman show logic.  :headscratch:
??? What in your definition would be conclusive proof on this issue ???
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: nickel5 on September 27, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
Hopefully this problem will be fixed with the AR-234B update. :D

The Ar234 was fine just like it was in AcesHigh II ! ==<--O--O-->==
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: SirNuke on September 28, 2016, 01:38:58 AM
Sorry, in AHIII the F3 view is automatically leveled when you are flying, and it becomes really disorienting if you are trying to shoot backwards in an AR-234 because the camera flops all over the place. In AHII the F3 view was fixed level with the wings, the same way the view changes in the standard F1 view.

that is probably exactly why the F3 view was changed and I like it
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lyric1 on September 28, 2016, 02:20:19 AM

The Ar234 was fine just like it was in AcesHigh II ! ==<--O--O-->==

In the world of make believe yes. 
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lunatic1 on September 28, 2016, 03:50:52 AM
Hopefully this problem will be fixed with the AR-234B update. :D

The Ar234 was fine just like it was in AcesHigh II ! ==<--O--O-->==
NICKEL when you coming back?
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: hitech on September 28, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
that is probably exactly why the F3 view was changed and I like it

It was modified for external flying with mouse command mode. The option was put in to use it like the old method 2 patches ago.

HiTech
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: FLS on September 28, 2016, 02:22:25 PM
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

It's like saying a positive is the equivalent of two negatives. It's tripe!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on September 28, 2016, 03:09:50 PM
There has been no evidence that the guns were ever mounted. You argue that because they could have been mounted that they must have been.

That's backwards. The Ar234 should not have guns, unless those guns point forward. The Ar234 actually had forward firing guns, and did use them. We have actual evidence of that.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: FLS on September 28, 2016, 03:21:40 PM
Straw man fallacy. Do you need a link?
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: ghi on October 01, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Dude, F3 helps you  think......ouside the box; ,AH3 sux without F3,  :neener:
 i'm claustrophobic , drink few beers while playing  and get dizzy  in close spaces;
  dead game boring, bring back AH2,   F3  and Il2, i would pay double monthly fee, was fun, worth $,   , who cares about bs excessive realism ,  it's still a game;
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: JunkyII on October 01, 2016, 11:12:35 PM
New F3 mode is good IMO...gets rid of a lot of gamey play.
Dude, F3 helps you  think......ouside the box; ,AH3 sux without F3,  :neener:
 i'm claustrophobic , drink few beers while playing  and get dizzy  in close spaces;
  dead game boring, bring back AH2,   F3  and Il2, i would pay double monthly fee, was fun, worth $,   , who cares about bs excessive realism ,  it's still a game;
A20 should join IL2s for F3 mode nerf....both are too easy to use against fighters.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Lusche on October 02, 2016, 05:38:27 AM
New F3 mode is good IMO...gets rid of a lot of gamey play.

Which one exactly, considering you can simply set F3 mode to work just like it did in AH2?
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on October 02, 2016, 07:00:41 AM
Straw man fallacy. Do you need a link?

Just the facts, not psycho-babble.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: BOBO on October 02, 2016, 07:28:43 AM
I prefer the new F3 mode, it's more realistic because it works the same now as it did during the war.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: JunkyII on October 02, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
Which one exactly, considering you can simply set F3 mode to work just like it did in AH2?
Wait....what? I've gone in F3 mode but it acts more like chase mode...how do you switch it back?
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: BowHTR on October 02, 2016, 02:38:22 PM
Wait....what? I've gone in F3 mode but it acts more like chase mode...how do you switch it back?

View options then 'No roll external view'
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: JunkyII on October 03, 2016, 12:18:06 PM
View options then 'No roll external view'
Get rid of that or get rid of F3 mode for A20s except look back and back up IMO...a20s are too easy compared to their other counterparts B25H and such.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: SirNuke on October 03, 2016, 01:24:15 PM
damn I didn't know about the no-roll view..plz nerf
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Scca on October 07, 2016, 05:18:43 AM
damn I didn't know about the no-roll view..plz nerf
Why?
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: SirNuke on October 08, 2016, 04:40:36 AM
Why?

my bad I tried the option it didn't change much, you can keep it as is
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Kingpin on October 08, 2016, 04:47:56 PM
View options then 'No roll external view'

Just to clarify this:

You find this external view setting under Options > Preferences > View Options.

If you want external view like it was in AH II, make sure the No Roll External View option is unchecked.  This rolls the camera with your aircraft, which is a bit more like sitting in the cockpit; when you roll, your view rolls with you.  Again, this was the default in AHII.

If you prefer external view to operate like some other games (i.e. WT), where the terrain remains level and your aircraft rolls relative to that view, then you want No Roll External View checked.  This will likely be easier for players who learned to fly in external mode or in other games where that view is common, which is likely why the option (choice) was added to the game.

In either case, the camera is pointed in whatever direction you are looking, it just changes whether the camera rolls with your plane or does not roll and remains level with the terrain. 

Hope this helps clarify the differences.

<S>
Kingpin
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: FLS on October 08, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
Just the facts, not psycho-babble.

Here's the link.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: Chalenge on October 08, 2016, 10:34:09 PM
Once again FLS, there is no evidence. Show us the evidence!

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: FLS on October 08, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
I'm not trying to prove anything.
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: jimbo71 on October 09, 2016, 12:42:12 PM
In AH2 the F3 mode would put you behind the plane and centered with the wings and fuselage.

In AH3 it puts you behind and what feels like 25 feet above the center.

JC

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhRjykeJLQQ/UYDiY2qpHQI/AAAAAAAANJc/oKpcybbDjzc/w400-h252/Howard+Sharen+-+stunt.jpg)

Many pilots in world war 1 opted to fly in F3 mode
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: lyric1 on October 09, 2016, 02:41:34 PM
In AH2 the F3 mode would put you behind the plane and centered with the wings and fuselage.

In AH3 it puts you behind and what feels like 25 feet above the center.

JC

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XhRjykeJLQQ/UYDiY2qpHQI/AAAAAAAANJc/oKpcybbDjzc/w400-h252/Howard+Sharen+-+stunt.jpg)

Many pilots in world war 1 opted to fly in F3 mode

Now that's funny.  :rofl
Title: Re: AHIII F3 mode
Post by: save on October 09, 2016, 07:02:04 PM

save, you're okay with mounting guns on a plane that never had them? Then why not put cannons on an Allison powered P-51? That would make the game a lot more fun for me, especially when I see Arados.

My point is when I see a A234 set, which happens once every month or so  it's negligible compared what you  do every day with a bomber set in the arenas.


A 100% throttle in formation is close to impossible IRL. A bomber killer like the Bf110g can't just catch them in the arena (or scenarios), ie they are useless in the role they where intended for.

I see Split-S's in a Lancasters, A20s doing incredible stunts- including hard-G dogfighting with bombs.

If I would see a P51 with 4 cannons once every month - maybe I would not care that much.

If  the arena would be full of 150 octane cannon-P51s  I would care so much I would probably spend my time elsewhere, of chase them down with a 262 until my perks run out.

The perk-free La-7 with 3 guns even though a small percentage flew them with the 3 guns is something I care more about.

Maybe the Arado will eventually be corrected, but priority must be issues that happens every single every day in the melee arena.

My 2 öre.