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Title: UAE HSV 2 Swift destroyed by Yemeni rebels
Post by: ghi on October 01, 2016, 08:48:39 PM
I understand this happened yesterday, over 100 crew members are dead/missing. :pray Was hit by one of this cheap , made in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-802 https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/uae-warship-obliterated-off-coast-yemen/
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Post by: zack1234 on October 02, 2016, 05:17:58 AM
Where did the Chinese get the money to make these planes :old:
let's think? :old:
Are they the enemy or not I can't remember.
Why are they selling goods to the West if they are?
It's all a bit strange :old:
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Post by: Zimme83 on October 02, 2016, 03:49:41 PM
The reports I've seen says 62 killed among the crew. Unclear if the ship have sunk or not but, UAE only says there have been an 'incident' but the video shows some pretty extensive damage so I've hard to Believe that the ship is reparable.
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Post by: jollyFE on October 05, 2016, 05:53:56 AM
The ship isnt sunk, it limped to port...Chinese anti ship missiles(or Iranian copies)the Houthi rebels are supported by Iran. The after photos I have seen show some pretty good damage.
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Post by: Zimme83 on October 05, 2016, 09:10:57 AM
Fate is still not confirmed but ship is said to be towed to Eritrea http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/10/03/us-warships-sent-to-area-where-iran-backed-rebels-attacked-saudi-led-coalition-ship.html
I doubt that they used “shoulder-fired rockets”, that missile was way too large for that.. From the video it seems like the ship is lost, it might be afloat but everything was burning...
The ship isnt sunk, it limped to port...Chinese anti ship missiles(or Iranian copies)the Houthi rebels are supported by Iran. The after photos I have seen show some pretty good damage.
You have a link? havent found any pics from after the attack.
Title: Re: UAE HSV 2 Swift destroyed by Yemeni rebels
Post by: ghi on October 05, 2016, 06:50:38 PM
The ship isnt sunk, it limped to port...Chinese anti ship missiles(or Iranian copies)the Houthi rebels are supported by Iran. The after photos I have seen show some pretty good damage.
You are right, it's still floating towed, unbeliavable after the explosion in video; photos posted on Twitter. https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=+HSV+swift+
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Post by: Gman on October 06, 2016, 03:33:39 AM
Heh, that hole left by the missile (if it is one, on the right bow) is no shoulder fired weapon, that's for sure. Looks more along the size of the holes made in USS Stark and other ships hit by that size of anti ship weapons. Pretty badly damaged, it's amazing what they can fix, but that is going to need a LOT of fixing.
Besides, it was (and typically is) the fire that killed that ship, and fire is usually from the leftover fuel in a missile, something a shoulder fired rocket doesn't really have. Seeing the video and how quickly that fired brewed up, I can't believe that an explosive would have set other combustible stuff about into such a raging fire so instantly as per the video - that was absolutely IMO from leftover fuel from a missile, again something a shoulder fired weapon like an RPG doesn't have, or at least not much of. HMS Sheffield burned up and that missile's warhead didn't even detonate, just fuel.
Plus, looking at the vid in slow motion, it was launched from some land based platform similar to what the land based Silkworm types look like, and other ASM land based platforms.
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Post by: Rich46yo on October 06, 2016, 08:33:49 AM
Well I don't think 0.50 MGs are going to be much help against AShM's.
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Post by: EskimoJoe on October 06, 2016, 08:50:11 AM
Heh, that hole left by the missile (if it is one, on the right bow) is no shoulder fired weapon, that's for sure. Looks more along the size of the holes made in USS Stark and other ships hit by that size of anti ship weapons. Pretty badly damaged, it's amazing what they can fix, but that is going to need a LOT of fixing.
Besides, it was (and typically is) the fire that killed that ship, and fire is usually from the leftover fuel in a missile, something a shoulder fired rocket doesn't really have. Seeing the video and how quickly that fired brewed up, I can't believe that an explosive would have set other combustible stuff about into such a raging fire so instantly as per the video - that was absolutely IMO from leftover fuel from a missile, again something a shoulder fired weapon like an RPG doesn't have, or at least not much of. HMS Sheffield burned up and that missile's warhead didn't even detonate, just fuel.
Plus, looking at the vid in slow motion, it was launched from some land based platform similar to what the land based Silkworm types look like, and other ASM land based platforms.
I've been in a truck hit with an RPG, so I can promise you it wasn't one of those that hit the ship. :aok
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Post by: Shuffler on October 06, 2016, 12:41:49 PM
I've been in a truck hit with an RPG, so I can promise you it wasn't one of those that hit the ship. :aok
Glad you survived.
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Post by: icepac on October 07, 2016, 11:37:35 AM
Sounded like a tow missile.
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Post by: Zimme83 on October 07, 2016, 11:40:53 AM
Its made of alluminum, there is no way they can repair it without replacing pretty much everything.
It was not a tow either. It was for sure an anti Ship missile. It has happen before in Lebanon.
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Post by: icepac on October 07, 2016, 11:42:06 AM
Bigger than a tow missile but we've see tank turrets blown off by a tow.
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Post by: Zimme83 on October 07, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
Becsuse the ammo inside the turret explodes yes, the tow itself just leave a small hole in the tank.
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Post by: EagleDNY on October 10, 2016, 08:08:23 PM
C-802 is an radar guided anti-ship missile with a 165Kg warhead. Probably truck mounted as the entire missile weighs about 700Kg and is a bit over 6M long. I'd say this is what you get when a missile hits an unarmored warship and something inside explodes.
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Post by: jollyFE on October 11, 2016, 08:24:49 AM
C-802
Title: Re: UAE HSV 2 Swift destroyed by Yemeni rebels
Post by: Mister Fork on October 11, 2016, 09:07:04 AM
I don't think that's going to buff out easily. Will probably be sold for scrap.
Bringing this up again: Saudi Al Madinah-class frigate was hit by ASM outside Yemen today, damage unknown but likely severe:
...that's going to leave a mark. If not sink the ship. Jebus... and the Al Madinah's just completed a huge tech and defensive systems upgrade a little while ago too.
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Post by: OldNitro on January 30, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
Anti ship missiles, get the job done!
I wonder what the cost per shot is? Somebody is making lots of money.
Title: Re: UAE HSV 2 Swift destroyed by Yemeni rebels
Post by: ghi on January 30, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
They have $$, i've just read this story, the Saudi Prince buys tickets for 80 Hawks on passengers flight; :airplane:
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Post by: Gman on January 30, 2017, 10:34:01 PM
Hah, great link Ghi, I can't believe that picture. They love their falcons and predator birds, but I had no idea they could have their own passports, and could fly in bulk like that. Crazy world.
Regarding the Frigate hit, obviously the guys filming the event are part of the group responsible for launching the missile, they were waiting for it to hit, and in close visual range, I don't think it's likely somebody happened to be within a couple/few thousand yards of a warship and filming just by coincidence.
The missile when I paused and looked closely appears to detonate close aboard, it may be that the defenses got it very, very close, or maybe it's just the angle, and it hit high and the explosion blew out and up more. Anyway, it didn't look like any major superstructure was blown off, smoking yes, but it was performing a turn and still afloat in the last few seconds of the video, and wasn't burning all that badly (yet perhaps, fire is the major cause of destruction of warships not hit by torpedoes I've read many times). I don't believe that it's been destroyed until I hear the Saudis confirm it, especially based on the video so far. After just watching a old 2 part 3 hour series on the Falklands over the holidays, many of the Brit frigs and destroyers hit took quite a while to eventually sink or burn up too though.
In any case, anti ship missiles are obviously pretty effective still, even the subsonic "cheap" ones out there. Makes me wonder how well modern ships will perform defending against the mach3 and even mach5 low altitude. Much smarter anti ship missiles, like the Yakhont and Brahmos ramjet weapons, and the Club too which really screws up intercept solutions going from subsonic to mach3 or 4 on the deck in the terminal phase.
edit - Saudi is saying that it was a suicide boat that rammed the ship, that fits a lot more with the explosion than what a typical AS missile hit looks like from all the vids online of them. I do wonder why both boats, if there were two, the one filming and the one that supposedly rammed, were allowed so close.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on January 31, 2017, 12:54:02 AM
Bringing this up again: Saudi Al Madinah-class frigate was hit by ASM outside Yemen today, damage unknown but likely severe:
There's some doubt that it was an ASM that hit the frigate. The Saudis claim it was small boats packed with explosives that rammed the ship and the video from the rebels show evidence of editing.
Title: Re: UAE HSV 2 Swift destroyed by Yemeni rebels
Post by: Zimme83 on January 31, 2017, 01:42:26 AM
A lot is still unclear but the rebels obviously have the capability to hit ships with ASM so i would not dismiss the claims right away.
Title: Re: UAE HSV 2 Swift destroyed by Yemeni rebels
Post by: OldNitro on January 31, 2017, 05:11:38 AM
Seems to me, if it was a motorboat loaded with HE, the blast would have been lower on the water. There would be much more water blasted into the air as well, more like a torpedo!
This looks too high in the air, for a surface detonation. The angle makes it hard to determine if it was a direct hit, or detonated short of the target. Seems like it came up short tho, due to the apparent lack of major damage. I didn't hear the BRRRRRRRP of a CIWS tho either!
The damage pics I have seen of genuine Exocet ASM direct hits, show a BIG HOLE in the ships structure. The film I have seen of Harpoon testing, blows a hole clean thru a corvette, and the missile was clearly visible. But then this looks like crappy cell phone vid too.
Interesting!
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Post by: Gman on January 31, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
That class of ship has no CIWS, just 40 mm deck guns and a Crotale point defence missile system.
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Post by: Vulcan on January 31, 2017, 03:16:26 PM
What is the red circle highlighting?
There is also no pre-impact Allah yelling, which you typically hear when a missile has been fired/in flight.
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Post by: Zimme83 on January 31, 2017, 04:29:54 PM
A missile would have been launch from land so they would prob not have known exactly when the missile was fired
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Post by: Vulcan on January 31, 2017, 04:47:19 PM
A missile would have been launch from land so they would prob not have known exactly when the missile was fired
Given they were out there filming for it I would expect they would've been notified off the launch (as in "Ahmed are you filming man, we just fired it")
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Post by: Randall172 on January 31, 2017, 04:50:58 PM
That is a gnarly hole in that boat!
anti ship missiles are nothing to scoff at
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on February 01, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Not the first time Yemenese terrorists/insurgents/whatever use small boats in suicide attacks. Remember USS Cole back in 2000. I also note that these people filming the attack on the Saudi frigate were chanting "death to America, death to Israel". That sounds like terrorists to me.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on February 01, 2017, 12:52:49 PM
Oh and the crew of the USS Cole didn't see them coming either.
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Post by: Zimme83 on February 01, 2017, 12:58:34 PM
Houtis are iranian backed rebels in Yemen and have been around since the 90s but afaik they have not made any attempts to take fight outside Yemen (USS cole was attacked by Al-Qaeda and not Houtis) and are obviously enemies to IS. They are more of a classic guerilla group than Al-quaida/IS terrorists and have been pretty successful in their fight against the Saudi intervention in Yemen recently.
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Post by: Zimme83 on February 01, 2017, 01:07:18 PM
Saw that U.S intelligence said that it was a suicide boat so unless other evidence shows up it seems like that was what happen. A massive failure for the Saudis, a boat should not be able to get that close to a combat ship at sea.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on February 01, 2017, 01:11:41 PM
One guy in a small boat is very difficult to detect before it is too late.
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Post by: Zimme83 on February 01, 2017, 01:14:42 PM
True, but based on the poor combat performance of the Saudi armed forces in Yemen it would not be surprising if there was some degree of incompetence involved on the saudi ship.
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Post by: Shuffler on February 01, 2017, 01:34:30 PM
Houtis are iranian backed rebels in Yemen and have been around since the 90s but afaik they have not made any attempts to take fight outside Yemen (USS cole was attacked by Al-Qaeda and not Houtis) and are obviously enemies to IS. They are more of a classic guerilla group than Al-quaida/IS terrorists and have been pretty successful in their fight against the Saudi intervention in Yemen recently.
In this instance the US intelligence believes the terrorist thought it was a US ship.
The same folks are the ones who targeted our ships in the straights with rockets awhile back. Those were downed by our rockets and several radar sites destroyed on land by our rockets.
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Post by: Zimme83 on February 01, 2017, 01:48:21 PM
I dont said that they were friend with the U.S. But targeting a military ship does not automatically makes you a terrorist, even if the ships are American. They are at war with mainly the Saudis and indirect U.S (since U.S is supporting the Saudis) so a war ship is a legitimate military target.. Im not saying that the Houtis are the good guys but they are still pretty far from IS and similar groups, they are more like for ex Vietcong.
Latest ive seen is that pentagon says that "We have no hard evidence to indicate that this attack was really focused on an American ship."
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Post by: Vulcan on February 01, 2017, 02:13:32 PM
In this instance the US intelligence believes the terrorist thought it was a US ship.
The same folks are the ones who targeted our ships in the straights with rockets awhile back. Those were downed by our rockets and several radar sites destroyed on land by our rockets.
I was reading up on those missiles. They seem very mobile, as an fire and move off before return fire comes in.
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Post by: OldNitro on February 01, 2017, 02:26:26 PM
Yep, waterline hit would be a small boat. But In broad daylight? Then the question becomes, didn't they set extra lookouts posted in hostile waters? Holy smokes man, I'd say somebody is in some deep Sheet! :rofl
I don't have a dog in that fight, no sympathy for either side.
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Post by: Shuffler on February 01, 2017, 02:29:28 PM
Yep, waterline hit would be a small boat. But In broad daylight? Then the question becomes, didn't they set extra lookouts posted in hostile waters? Holy smokes man, I'd say somebody is in some deep Sheet! :rofl
I don't have a dog in that fight, no sympathy for either side.
Who knows what happened, heck they might have had sheep on the bow of the suicide boat and the other guys were like "COME ON OVER!"
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Post by: Zimme83 on February 01, 2017, 03:47:03 PM
Then its no evidence at all, its just their slogan. They shout it in a lot of vids ive seen after successful attacks on saudi troops.
Some great Jihadi gun fail vids on youtube too.
Usually they are trying to use some kind of weapon, that they don't know how to operate. They yell "Aloha Snackbar" and then blow themselves or their buddies up.
LOL, great stuff! :rofl
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Post by: Zimme83 on February 02, 2017, 08:47:34 AM
And you are sure that they where Houtis?
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Post by: OldNitro on February 02, 2017, 11:00:48 AM
I was referring to the slogans used, Saudis, Emirates, Houthis, Iranians, matter not. "Death the America" seems common to them all, even from those who are supposed to be our "allies". So, I have no sympathies for either side.
I see it as a proxy war between the two Regional Powers, SA vs Iran. Using age old tribal rivalries of the minor players, as the catalyst. The world has seen this pattern repeated many times before.
Sad to see or hear of any USA resources being involved, even indirectly. Just don't want to be dragged into another mess! We have problems to sort out closer to home.
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Post by: Shuffler on February 03, 2017, 12:49:48 PM
Not unlike westerners who either say "oh my god" or "thank god" or maybe even the odd JC.
Very different as they are also saying death to America in the full video.
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Post by: Gman on February 03, 2017, 04:42:28 PM
USS Cole is now patrolling the area where the Saudi frigate was hit. Heh. What better ship to fly the US flag in those waters, after what happened to her over 15 years ago now. Fair winds to that ship and her sailors, and any other allied vessels in the area.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on February 03, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
Very different as they are also saying death to America in the full video.
What's why the thought is that the rebels thought it was a US naval ship and attacked it in retaliation for us bombing their ASM radar sites a couple of months ago.
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Post by: jollyFE on February 08, 2017, 01:26:25 PM
What's why the thought is that the rebels thought it was a US naval ship and attacked it in retaliation for us bombing their ASM radar sites a couple of months ago.
As i said: the slogan can be heard in a lot of vids of houtis attacking saudi forces so that is not a sign of that they believed that it was a US ship.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on February 09, 2017, 10:44:48 AM
USS Cole is now patrolling the area where the Saudi frigate was hit. Heh. What better ship to fly the US flag in those waters, after what happened to her over 15 years ago now. Fair winds to that ship and her sailors, and any other allied vessels in the area.
Payback time.
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Post by: jollyFE on February 09, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
Numerous sources (including the Houthis themselves) have stated that they thought it was a USN ship.