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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: TheRapier on October 09, 2016, 03:48:01 PM
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If I adjust the forward view slightly to the side to see over the nose or have a rear view in TIR, it crams the whole view from the head box to one side. My pilot gets a great view of the world sitting on the left armrest.
Needless to say this is incorrect. A pilot should be able to move around the cockpit to get around various canopy posts etc. without being welded to one spot.
Thanks!
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The Forward and Rear views are a separate adjustment from the Front view.
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Thanks FLS for your reply!
Unfortunately, if I understand what you are saying, this shouldn't happen. I agree. They are separate adjustments that the user does but one works and one does not.
However, if I let it return to the default view, my head centers right on the headrest and no amount of moving or fiddling with TIR fixes that with a view I can also use for shooting. The two seem to be tied together which is antithetical to what should be working.
I have optimized to shoot things in the forward view and that works but nails my head to the left canopy.
I only report the problem, how the thing is built is in HTC's bailiwick. I will just mention again, that we had a system in AH2 that worked, where the view key overroad the TIR view. We have that reversed here and as far as I can tell, it added nothing. I have yet to see any comment that this is the best thing ever. I DO see a lot of comments that say the old system worked. So the question is why aggravate a lot of people for a feature that doesn't really add to the game? It seems to be simple logic.
Since it is simply an ordering problem, which system overrides which system, why NOT revert to the original?
Thanks!
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It's a new feature. It improves utility for one to one tracking.
You can set the forward and rear views where you like them and keep the front view centered.
If you can't move side to side set the front view back to default, Home then F10.
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I'm very sorry but this feature just doesn't work. It doesn't help in any way, it is actually a detriment to tracking.
I tested this with a Niki to check the box.
I move the center to a location to the left of the giant gunsight to see around it and hit F10 to lock it. Choosing anything to the outside of the sight does the same thing as outlined below.
When I try to return to it by hitting center, it picks a place to the left of the original. If I zoom in and out 2 times it returns to the right place.
I'm now fairly certain that if I test other planes I'll find the same thing. This appears to be untested.
By what you said, this is not how the feature should work, therefore its a bug. I appreciate your answers but I'm pretty sure you can't fix it.
Thanks!
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It works on my system.
I assume you're not confusing front view and forward view.
It's easier to set now than it was in AH2. You don't turn TrackIR off to set head position.
Just move your head where you want it, press F10, then sit normally and press Tracker Center.
For the over the nose gunsight view hold the Forward view button or key, move your head where you want it, press F10. Release the Forward view button.
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I can only test with VR head sets but here is what I see.
Normal front view.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=382307.0;attach=25760)
Moved head to left to make new default view.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=382307.0;attach=25762)
Pressed F10 and view jumped to the left.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=382307.0;attach=25764)
Moved my head back to my normal sitting posion, and the left saved position is now my default view.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=382307.0;attach=25762)
Is this what you are seeing?
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Hey HT and FLS!
Thanks for the replies!
FLS, I wouldn't assume anything as I don't live on the BBS and there is no explanation at all for the terms you are using any where that I'm aware of. :)
However I will try what you suggest and see if that does anything. What you are outlining would seem to work if the view key over road the TIR view. I come from AH2 and I did the change as it worked there and got the results that I posted. A moving center point in the forward view is bad, very bad.
HT, the views don't appear in your post, I have to download them. The ones that I see are of a B-25, which I assume has a ginormous head box. I'm reporting things in a Pony and Niki where the head box is much much smaller. You are also not zooming your view which is what the report states. Needless to say, it is not what I'm seeing. When I zoom in and out, the view moves left to right and back again, but only for two iterations. Kind of the worst possible set up and completely unusable for tracking or shooting. It is very disorienting to see down a track and have it move in a way that is unexpected.
Thanks for your assistance!
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If you look at the controller setup you'll see that the Front view, which is your default view, is separate from the Forward view which is mapped by default to keypad8. That's the same as it was in AH2. You can use whatever command you're used to using to center TrackIR.
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It is almost impossible to set an F10 head position with trackir. For some reason the F10 saved position is not the same position in trackir. That may be part of your problem. This has been reported as a bug in beta.
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Just press F10 and your current position is set.
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When I have TIR enabled, head position will not move. When TIR is disabled, head position will move, but when TIR is re-enabled the position is slightly different.
So, it takes a lot of trial and error to set the gunsight position, and it can't be set accurately in some planes.
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When I have TIR enabled, head position will not move. When TIR is disabled, head position will move, but when TIR is re-enabled the position is slightly different.
So, it takes a lot of trial and error to set the gunsight position, and it can't be set accurately in some planes.
With TIR on you can only move your virtual head position by moving your actual head in relation to the camera. It's not like AH2. It works differently in AH3 and you set it differently.
With TIR on move your actual head to see the gunsight picture you want, press F10. Sit normally. It's that quick and easy. Works with every aircraft.
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Doesn't work that way for me.
With TIR enabled I move my head to change the sight picture, then hit F10 and the "position" jumps beyond what where it was. When I move my head back to "neutral" the sight picture is not what it was when I hit F10.
Maybe something about my TIR setup.
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When I have TIR enabled, head position will not move. When TIR is disabled, head position will move, but when TIR is re-enabled the position is slightly different.
So, it takes a lot of trial and error to set the gunsight position, and it can't be set accurately in some planes.
Do you uses 6 or 3 axis TIR.
And head will not move do you mean with keys or with TIR?
HiTech
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Doesn't work that way for me.
With TIR enabled I move my head to change the sight picture, then hit F10 and the "position" jumps beyond what where it was. When I move my head back to "neutral" the sight picture is not what it was when I hit F10.
Maybe something about my TIR setup.
Did you try re-centering TIR from the neutral position after it jumps?
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Just press F10 and your current position is set.
Wrong. Only in some planes f10 does not work. It worked in ah2 but not 3.
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Wrong. Only in some planes f10 does not work. It worked in ah2 but not 3.
List the planes.
Also list the steps you use to set the position.
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Doesn't work that way for me.
With TIR enabled I move my head to change the sight picture, then hit F10 and the "position" jumps beyond what where it was. When I move my head back to "neutral" the sight picture is not what it was when I hit F10.
Maybe something about my TIR setup.
Same here. FLS try to understand instead of rubber stamping.
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Same here. FLS try to understand instead of rubber stamping.
I'm reporting what works for me. Try to stay on topic.
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I'm reporting what works for me. Try to stay on topic.
I am. We are trying to report a problem. You keep rubber stamping there is no problem.
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Show me where I'm "rubber stamping". I never said you don't have a problem.
List the planes where F10 doesn't work and the steps you used that failed to set the position.
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Do you uses 6 or 3 axis TIR.
And head will not move do you mean with keys or with TIR?
HiTech
6 axis. The head position will not move with keys when TIR is enabled. I understand that this is not how it works now.
If I move my (actual) head with TIR enabled, then hit F10, the sight picture jumps a bit from where it was moved to. Then, when I return my (actual) head to the TIR "center" position, the sight picture is not what it was when I hit F10.
With trial and error, it can be made to work pretty well, but it doesn't seem to work for me the way FLS describes.
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I have the same issue, but it seems to be AC specific. I am a TIR user as well.
I have no problem setting my head position to where I want in a D11, but in a F4F-4, the I can't set my head position where I want it. Even pressing F10 to go to default view will not put the gun sight in the center of the windscreen.
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Pressing F10 saves the current view. It doesn't set the default view.
What's the specific problem in the F4F? Did you try resetting the default position before moving?
To restore the default take off the headset or turn it off. Press the Home key to reset the view.
Press F10 to save the view. Put your headset back on or turn it back on.
If the view isn't centered press your TIR recenter button.
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Pressing F10 saves the current view. It doesn't set the default view.
What's the specific problem in the F4F? Did you try resetting the default position before moving?
To restore the default take off the headset or turn it off. Press the Home key to reset the view.
Press F10 to save the view. Put your headset back on or turn it back on.
If the view isn't centered press your TIR recenter button.
You are correct - F10 saves the current view. And yes, I did try resetting to default.
I simply freeze my TIR, use the arrow keys to adjust to desired position, hit F10, and I am good to go. Worked for years in all AC.
Using the same steps above in the F4F-4, resetting the default view does not work for me. I can't see the gun sight and my head position is at the top of the canopy. When I try to adjust using the arrow keys, after freezing TIR, and save with F10, the head position ends up somewhere randomly different.
Maybe someone could attempt to duplicate this to see if it's my equipment or a bug.
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Pressing F10 doesn't seem to save the current view for me.
Screen shots are attached before and after F10.
I have pretty large dead zones in my TIR profiles. I wonder if that could "fool" AH3 when setting the position.
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Pressing F10 doesn't seem to save the current view for me.
Screen shots are attached before and after F10.
Pretty much the same result for me.
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You are correct - F10 saves the current view. And yes, I did try resetting to default.
I simply freeze my TIR, use the arrow keys to adjust to desired position, hit F10, and I am good to go. Worked for years in all AC.
Using the same steps above in the F4F-4, resetting the default view does not work for me. I can't see the gun sight and my head position is at the top of the canopy. When I try to adjust using the arrow keys, after freezing TIR, and save with F10, the head position ends up somewhere randomly different.
Maybe someone could attempt to duplicate this to see if it's my equipment or a bug.
You are using the old method of setting the view which worked in AH2. It does not work in AH3. AH3 uses a new method of setting the view. Follow the directions for AH3 and see if that helps.
Do not freeze TIR. Do not take off the headset. Move your actual head so you see the view you want then press F10. Sit normally and press your TIR re-center button or the AH3 Tracker Center button.
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Pressing F10 doesn't seem to save the current view for me.
Screen shots are attached before and after F10.
I have pretty large dead zones in my TIR profiles. I wonder if that could "fool" AH3 when setting the position.
Was the 2nd shot before or after you moved your head back to the tracker center?
HiTech
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Pressing F10 doesn't seem to save the current view for me.
Screen shots are attached before and after F10.
I have pretty large dead zones in my TIR profiles. I wonder if that could "fool" AH3 when setting the position.
You moved above default and saved the current view and position, then you were still just as far above the default position for the new default view. Recenter TIR to fix. Recenter does not mean reset AH view to default again. Just set TIR back to the new default center with the TIR center command or the AH tracker center command.
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You are using the old method of setting the view which worked in AH2. It does not work in AH3. AH3 uses a new method of setting the view. Follow the directions for AH3 and see if that helps.
Do not freeze TIR. Do not take off the headset. Move your actual head so you see the view you want then press F10. Sit normally and press your TIR re-center button or the AH3 Tracker Center button.
I don't think the process you describe to set my head position will place the gun site where I want. I'll play with it tonight after work and report.
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How does one reset the head position back to AH3 default?
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How does one reset the head position back to AH3 default?
Delete the hps file in the settings/planes folder
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Delete the hps file in the settings/planes folder
Rgr that. Will AH3 recreate this file when I customize my head positions?
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Rgr that. Will AH3 recreate this file when I customize my head positions?
Yes
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To start with a baseline, I deleted the hps file for the F4F4. In the offline practice arena, spawned an F4F4, and hit F10. This moved my head position all the way up. I then paused TIR and adjusted my head position down till the sight was in the center and hit F10.
Unpaused TIR and the head position stayed there, which was a good thing - haven't had that result yet.
Paused TIR again and adjusted my head position a little up in the cockpit to where I like it - hit F10. Unpaused TIR and my head position jumped to the top of the cockpit again. Attempted again, same result.
Hitech, please see if you can duplicate this issue.
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You forgot to center TIR.
You don't need to turn TIR off unless you are resetting the view to default with the Home key.
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You forgot to center TIR.
You don't need to turn TIR off unless you are resetting the view to default with the Home key.
Let's just assume for the moment that I know how to use TIR...
I centered several times.
That is not the issue. TIR has no effect or role on setting your head position in the game. Now, it may not be a bug.. could be something associated my with my PC or copy of AH3..
I simply request HT try and duplicate what I am seeing.
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Try assuming you don't have to turn TIR off.
Start TIR.
Start AH3.
Center TIR.
Move your head to see the view you want. Press F10 once.
Sit normally.
Center TIR.
How did that work?
Note that "move your head" does not mean pause TIR and press keys.
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You are confusing two separate processes. TIR is on before I start AH3 and stays on the entire time. I never have said or alluded I "turned it off"
Instead of arguing it is the user's issue in this case, I suggest you try something productive and see if you can duplicate the issue I am having.
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When you pause TIR you are turning it off. Try following my directions.
I already know that doing it wrong won't work. I don't need to duplicate it.
Everyone reporting problems describes doing it wrong. You are trying to do it like AH2.
Its different now. Try the simple easy way instead. Its easier and faster and it works.
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For the record, I tried your method and it did not work. I centered my TIR on a windscreen without a gun sight with your instructions.
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TIR has no effect or role on setting your head position in the game.
This belief is likely what's screwing you up. TIR is exactly what you use to set your head position in the game. If you have VR you use the VR headset to set the position in the game. If you don't have either then you use the keyboard to set your position.
If you want to reset your position to default then you take the headset off and use the Home key.
For the record, I tried your method and it did not work. I centered my TIR on a windscreen without a gun sight with your instructions.
What were you trying to do and what steps did you take?
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Try assuming you don't have to turn TIR off.
Start TIR.
Start AH3.
Center TIR.
Move your head to see the view you want. Press F10 once.
Sit normally.
Center TIR.
How did that work?
Note that "move your head" does not mean pause TIR and press keys.
This does not solve my problem. In the F4F4, pressing F10 with TIR active simply puts my head position at the top of the cockpit without a gun sight to use. There is a different issue - it is not a lack of knowledge on my part.
Again, I don't have this problem in the other AC I use (P-47s, F4Us, F6Fs..) only the F4F4.
Are you a TIR user?
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I checked the F4F with TIR and it works normally. I had no trouble setting the gunsight to center, moving it off center, and setting it back to center.
I've used TIR since TIR3 came out. Currently using TIR5 but mostly using the Rift headset now.
When you are pressing F10 in the F4F are you seeing the position you want to save? What happens when you center TIR after pressing F10?
What are you using to center TIR? Have you tried using "tracker center" in AH settings?
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No. when I press F10 after setting my desired position, which is a little a above center - basically I want the center of the sight just visible and equal distance horizontally, the position goes all the way up to the top.
Not sure what "tracker center" is.
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What do you use to center TIR?
How are you setting your position in the F4F?
Tracker Center is an AH command that you map to a button. It centers TIR and the Rift and any similar head tracking device.
To raise the gun sight in the F4F I would center TIR, lift my head up to raise the sight, press F10, sit normally. Center TIR.
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What do you use to center TIR?
Tracker Center is an AH command that you map to a button. It centers TIR and the Rift and any similar head tracking device.
I have a button programmed in TIR to center. Is that the same as using the AH command? (It does center the view.)
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It seems the same to me. Is setting views working for you now?
Edit: I checked both ways and they both center the default view but the TIR center does not set the new view properly.
You'll want to use the AH "Tracker Center" command when adjusting views.
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What do you use to center TIR?
How are you setting your position in the F4F?
Tracker Center is an AH command that you map to a button. It centers TIR and the Rift and any similar head tracking device.
To raise the gun sight in the F4F I would center TIR, lift my head up to raise the sight, press F10, sit normally. Center TIR.
The center function of TIR. I have it mapped to my gear.
I've previously detailed how I set the head position for all AC I use. Pause TIR, adjust head position using keyboard page up/down and side arrow keys, hit F10, unpause TIR and fly. Doesn't work with the wildcat.
Where is Tracker Center in the AH settings? Are you referring to mapping a button or key to TIR's center function or does AH have a function within the software?
I use TIR 5 and too my knowledge, it will not adjust the seat "height" in the cockpit. I am only aware of being able to do that within AH using the keyboard.
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Not sure what "tracker center" is.
Default key is Ctrl F4,
In Key or control mapping is under the View group and labeled "Tracker Center"
If you have not been using this, it explains why you are having issues.
HiTech
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Thank you for the clear and helpful response.
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Ammo it such a pain to get it right in ah3 but if you go get one right you can copy the file content and paste it in other planes in the same series.
I spent a couple of hours on the P-38J gunsight alignment, then got lucky and one f10 saved worked. I then pasted that in the P-38L file.
In ah2 this would take about 10 seconds.
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Ammo it such a pain to get it right in ah3 but if you go get one right you can copy the file content and paste it in other planes in the same series.
I spent a couple of hours on the P-38J gunsight alignment, then got lucky and one f10 saved worked. I then pasted that in the P-38L file.
In ah2 this would take about 10 seconds.
I truly do not understand what is difficult,either I have a bug which no one has described, or something is being missed in communication.
It should take 2 secs to set a view up perfectly.
HiTech
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I truly do not understand what is difficult,either I have a bug which no one has described, or something is being missed in communication.
It should take 2 secs to set a view up perfectly.
HiTech
You have to center TIR with "Tracker Center". Setting a new position doesn't work if you center TIR with the TIR software.
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I truly do not understand what is difficult,either I have a bug which no one has described, or something is being missed in communication.
It should take 2 secs to set a view up perfectly.
HiTech
My typical procedure in ah2 was with tir working fine in game and a desire to change the saved head position.
Ctrl F5 to turn tir off
adjusted head position
save with F10
turn tir back on with Ctrl F1
This works with ah3 in some planes and others it does not. The worst is the P-38G
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I truly do not understand what is difficult,either I have a bug which no one has described, or something is being missed in communication.
It should take 2 secs to set a view up perfectly.
HiTech
Maybe a clearly written tutorial with screenshots would help?
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Screen shots are attached that show what I am seeing. I am using the AH Track Center command mapped to a controller.
You can see that the end result after re-centering is not what I see before pressing F10. (Screen shot resolution has been reduced and converted to jpegs to reduce file size.)
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Popeye use Ctrl F4 to center or map a switch to Tracker Center in AH3. Use that instead of the TrackIR software center command.
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I am using the Track Center command (not the TIR software center command).
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Popeye use Ctrl F4 to center or map a switch to Tracker Center in AH3. Use that instead of the TrackIR software center command.
It doesn't matter which. The problem still exists.
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I am using the Track Center command (not the TIR software center command).
How did you adjust the sight picture before F10?
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How did you adjust the sight picture before F10?
I moved my (actual) head with TIR enabled.
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From the pictures it looks like you hit F10 twice. Note the messages. That moved you twice as far as you wanted to move.
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I found the bug.
HiTech
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I found the bug.
HiTech
Thank you.
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I found the bug.
HiTech
TY
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I found the bug.
HiTech
Great! :aok
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If I hit the control button in AH3 using Win10 a message pops up that I am attempting to access a file and it drops AH3 DOWN TO THE TASK BAR.
salute
ab8aac
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That is awesome that you found the bug. BTW, if its fixed in the last update (Friday), it didn't work.
Thanks!
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Problem seems to be still in place after last update.
Thanks!
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Are you still using the TrackIR center command instead of the AH Tracker Center command?
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Thanks FLS! That is the first ever mention of the AH Tracker Center command. Where is this? Is this buried in the myriad of commands for keystrokes? How is this discoverable by any new user?
The natural inclination is to use the TIR center command unless there is some documentation that shows what the AH Tracker really does. Do we have that? IMHO, it would be much better not to put the community on an easter egg hunt to locate features.
Just to ask the dumb but obvious question. Is the long term plan to make AHIII a game that anyone can pick up and play or is it intended that only those who have buckets of time learning every esoteric aspect of the game can win? If you have to go 3 weeks and bunch of posts to discover it, is it really discoverable? Are we making a complex game EVEN more complex? IMHO, the esoteric audience is here, now. Players will gravitate to games in which the features can be discovered.
Just to put the plea simply. In my experience there is NO discoverability fairy that makes this work. You either choose to make a game in which the features are easily discoverable OR you document in a way that they can be easily found. Making it so that the features are hard to find or scattered about willy nilly AND choose not to document is to dig the hole deeper. You have to figure out which is cheaper. IMHO, after the game is built, documenting is much easier than trying to retroactively apply the discipline to make them easy find.
Much appreciated!
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Thanks FLS! That is the first ever mention of the AH Tracker Center command.
Tracker Center was in the 5th response in this thread but it was before I realized that TrackIR center did not do the same thing. Tracker Center has been an AH command option for some time, I don't recall when it was added but wasn't required before the new view options. I'm sure the documentation will be updated as time permits. You'll notice I previously mentioned it in the Help and Training forum in response to Randy1's similar problem.
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My experience is the AH tracker center and TIR center accomplish the same thing. While both are different, they achieve the same goal - YMMV.
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My experience is the AH tracker center and TIR center accomplish the same thing. While both are different, they achieve the same goal - YMMV.
They work the same with the default front view head position. They don't work the same when you change the default head position and try to recenter.
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Actually my experience is exactly the same as Ammo's. I tried it. No difference.
Now since there is no documentation, what exactly is it "supposed" to do? How does this differ in any significant way? HTC obviously created it for a reason but if no one knows the reason, no one can make a choice about it. :) Right now there is no reason to choose it.
I have found that my ability to divine HT's mind is severely limited so I don't even try any more.
Thanks!
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One command centers the view in the TIR software, the other command centers the view in the AH software.
I have it set so it does both at once with the same button.
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I have moved this to the Technical Support forum as it seems to have devolved into a discussion on the commands involved with TrackIR and not any game bugs we can discern.
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The actual issue and bug remains. FLS was proposing a fix that actually did not do anything to address the bug.
I will repost in the bug forum as it is still an issue.
Thanks!