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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Beefcake on October 19, 2016, 03:26:29 AM
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Why is it when I get attacked that most people always go for the lead aircraft? I never understand it because when you attack the lead (and most attack from dead 6) you're flying into the center of a bombers field of fire. I know I'm an old, stupid, cartoon bomber pilot but I always wonder why people do that and not attack the drones since attacking the drones means your usually not in the center of the cone of fire.
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That's a good question. I will be very interested where this one leads.
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Beats me, I usually go after the drones first that very reason. :)
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From the 6 it really does not matter center or drone. But if you hit the center rear gun that that does make a difference.
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I had never thought of that, it is much better to go for the drones.
HiTech
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if close to a base killing the lead done forces him to calibrate again.
semp
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With the angle of attack I use on buffs, going for the center plane first makes transitioning to a shot on a drone easier, many times severely damaging or killing two in one pass.
Also drones warping was a huge problem for awhile, so I adapted to shooting the plane I knew wasnt going to jump around on me.
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If you can get a quick kill on lead bomber it takes a second or to for them to orientate to next drone. Still attacking from a level 6 will get you killed most times. Even Lancasters seem deadlier in AH3. (Landed 2 kills last night) :ahand
Most good attackers will come from a high perch anywhere but 6. :noid :airplane:
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drones warping was a huge problem for awhile, so I adapted to shooting the plane I knew wasnt going to jump around on me.
[/quote] that is the reason I started targeting the lead first then sliding over the left one as it took lead
salute
ab8aac
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When I go for bombers, I tend to go after the drones first for the reasons Lazer mentions. Also, you're not coming in straight at the one that's shooting at you.
Sometimes there is an advantage to going for the lead though. If you happen to wound it and take out an engine or two, this slows down the entire formation. If it's shaping up to be a long chase, that can make a difference.
Wiley.
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Lot of variables on this one. First never ever approach from dead six. I like to slash down into the bombers from the side then pop back up and repeat from other side. Usually the drones are what is hit. If they are about to drop then tag the lead bomber to mess up drop. The one exception to hitting drones is the bomber guys who have mastered the rubber band drones. If they are maneuvering hard then often times the lead is the only safe target as drones can snap around the sky on their invisible tether causing a collision hazard. Top down is also a great approach with the drones being the focus.
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If I attack the lead, I am disrupting you for a little. You may spiral out if I get your wing and be unable to shoot back. If you're in the side drones gunning, then you are at a disadvantage for adjusting laterally to my attack angles. If I take you out when somebody else is gunning, I can disrupt your aim if you're in the bombsite, or looking at your map, or any number of things.
On occasion I do (did) focus on picking off a drone first if the other considerations didn't dictate my preferred target. I would do THAT if I felt that the pilot wasn't flying carefully and if I felt wounding a drone would make the lead expand the trailing distance and pop it. Or, if I felt the pilot/gunner was less experienced and gunning from the lead, and then I would use that to make him have to adjust his angles laterally to cope with my attack angles not being directly head-on to his perspective.
Both are perfectly valid, and both can be used, but sometimes one or the other is the better choice given all the variables at play.
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Beefcake. Bomber Pilot for the Allies in this Saturdays 12 Hour Scenario.
I always wonder why people do that and not attack the drones since attacking the drones means your usually not in the center of the cone of fire.
HiTech. Co.CO for the Axis who will be shooting said bombers down.
I had never thought of that, it is much better to go for the drones.
HiTech
Thanks Beefaroni!!
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When he's about to drop on a CV, go for the lead bombers wingtip.
A drone with a wingtip removed simply explodes. A lead with half a wing will start to veer. Most of the time the player tries to fight this instead of bailing ASAP. Either way, it messes up his bomb run much more than just removing a drone.
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I also never really thought about it but I guessed that if you took out the lead aircraft it might mess up his calibration and he would have to recalibrate when moving to the next aircraft.
this is a good point and I will make an effort to attack the drone first and see what happens. I always get shot down anyway cause I'm a crappy aim and have trouble coming in at angels. :frown:
:salute
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This is a very good tactical problem to solve. There are reasons to go for the lead plane first. But there are only two reasons for this.
1. If the bomber is nearing target, they likely have calibration or near calibration. By taking out the lead bomber first near drop you throw off calibration. This is a tactic G3-MF uses heavily during FSO. We preach and teach it.
2. If you are attacking from either of the front quarters from above you do your slashing attack on the lead and the drone on the opposite side from your attack vector. A possible shot on 2 for 1 pass...
Otherwise... ...always attack drones first.
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I seem to aim for the lead bomber first and unfortunately for me from its 6. Mainly it's because I usually fly a relatively slow fighter so no matter how I try to attack from the side they always pass me by. As I know myself having some troubles remembering the commands for changing planes I assume my target may suffer from the same so killing the leader just might cause disorder in the rest of the troika.
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I go for the left drone. Once that is dead the right drone will slowly move over to the left. As that is happening the convergence is messed up again, just for a brief moment. Only gives you a slight advantage, but hey, it helps.
boo
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I go for drones first unless coming in from a high perch where you can kill the lead and the drone that moves to lead in one pass. On final bomb run of course hit lead.
I love when cons approach dead six, makes it much easier. I even slow down for a dead six pursuer.
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I would attack a bomber formation from their low 6 flying under then pulling vertical in front of lead bomber and firing back through the canopy killing pilot instantly!
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Drones used to warp. There were some players that seemed to warp excessively.
Some bomber pile-its are also slow to bail, kill the lead plane while he is gunning and sometimes you'll take down the whole lot because they forget to bail.
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I only go for the lead if he is lined up and about to drop. This is to disrupt his targeting. I will otherwise situate myself in a high 10 or 2 position and roll in. This allows me to shoot the drone on my side and continue through to shoot the lead.
Once I pass the buffs, sometimes over and sometimes under, I can continue my built up E into a climb in advance of any buffs left for my next setup.
Note... if I am ever straight out on your 6, it will be because you are so close to dropping that I did not have time to position correctly. I then accept that I may die and try to take as many of your bombers with me. I know that If I am heavily damaged that I can more than likely make base and land.
SAPP drivers are used to landing aircraft that only slightly resemble the P-38 they took off in. :devil
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Ever since Sean Astin was Twoflower in "The Colour of Magic" I've made a point of climbing slowly from dead 6 on any B17 formation in the hope I can kill the ball gunner first.
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What's so bad about killing buffs from dead 6? I do it all the time...
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I hate to give away my secrets, but what the heck.
I have a high level of success against bombers, they are my favorite target. I never attack from dead 6 if I can help it.
The target point varies by model. B-24's light on fire easily hitting a wing root. Just a few in the right place, and they are on fire. As soon as I see that, I peal off and set up for the next run. For all the others I aim at the outer wing tip. Blow it off, and they start spiraling away which spoils their defense and this allows me to egress easily while they either bail or ride the lead down. If I see a wingtip go, I try to get a ping on each of the other two bombers as I leave so I get credit when they explode once out of range of the falling lead because for some reason they decided to ride the lead down to the ground.
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Yeah taking out the lead bomber totally messes up the bomb run which is why, unless Im flying in a formation, I'll often just sit in the rear gun with no intention of dropping and wait for the attacker to make a fatal mistake and think Im in the bomb view over the target.
This has led to some interesting confrontations over the years. Some fighter pilots are pretty cute and anticipate a "pretty cute" move like that and dont attack when they are supposed to think Im in the bomb view. Another cute trick I have is to kill speed, or at least slow down, so the enemy finds himself a lot closer if he's not paying attention and creeps into my kill zone. Another is to rudder your drones around which makes them bullet catchers for your #1 bomber and can make an enemy focus on several bombers instead of just one.
Another is to jump into a drone and fight from it instead of the lead bomber. Mostly a trail fighter is a pain when your trying to take out a CV. I'd bet CVs would last much, much longer if a single player would just fly CAP over it.
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Yeah taking out the lead bomber totally messes up the bomb run which is why, unless Im flying in a formation, I'll often just sit in the rear gun with no intention of dropping and wait for the attacker to make a fatal mistake and think Im in the bomb view over the target.
This has led to some interesting confrontations over the years. Some fighter pilots are pretty cute and anticipate a "pretty cute" move like that and dont attack when they are supposed to think Im in the bomb view. Another cute trick I have is to kill speed, or at least slow down, so the enemy finds himself a lot closer if he's not paying attention and creeps into my kill zone. Another is to rudder your drones around which makes them bullet catchers for your #1 bomber and can make an enemy focus on several bombers instead of just one.
Another is to jump into a drone and fight from it instead of the lead bomber. Mostly a trail fighter is a pain when your trying to take out a CV. I'd bet CVs would last much, much longer if a single player would just fly CAP over it.
Also, that moment when you realize he has a gunner....
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My favorite surprise is to put my bombers in auto climb when a fighter is approaching. That poor soul who thinks he is out of a firing window against a b26 only to get a face full of 50s when he starts to pull up under the bombers.
I had an engagement last week against four fighters that approached staggered behind my 26s. P51 flew in dead six, got vaporized. Spit16 tried to come underneath and lost a wing when he thought I couldn't shoot at him. 190 took an oil hit first pass and disengaged. My last contestant was a 410 who decided after seeing the first three fail that he would go find something that didn't bite back (good thing he didn't know I had less than 150 rounds left in the tail gun lol).
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Also, that moment when you realize he has a gunner....
and that moment he realizes are just outside of that gunners range and cannot touch you.
or he realizes you have two rear/up/down firing 50 cals (well .51 cals).
:devil
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I have to admit: Now that I think back, Vulcan has hit it on the nail. NOW I have more options, I can pick and choose my attack based on the circumstances. Before? Drones warped so badly that you could never be sure when you got to that "fire the guns" moment they'd even be there or would have jumped up, down, back, fore, or any combination thereof. Hitting the lead was the only way to actively track and lead a target, so at that time, you always aimed for the lead.
Not a social decision, but a limitation of the gameplay. Since then? Some of that's ingrained in the brain and some of it is concious choice. But that's definitely where it came from for me and many others.
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I think people in AH don't experiment enough. The pure fun of sitting back 2k away as you pick off buffs with a 50mm cannon knowing all the time the pile-it is probably screaming bloody murder/cheat/unicorns is very satisfying.
Now I've got my 50mm worked out, I want to try A2A rockets next.
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I usually try to place a drone in-between me and the lead bomber on my run in.
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I attack bombers every chance I get, but rarely while I'm in their rear hemisphere. I always go for the drones first, as it seems to disrupt the defensive fire a bit.
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I go for the left drone. Once that is dead the right drone will slowly move over to the left. As that is happening the convergence is messed up again, just for a brief moment. Only gives you a slight advantage, but hey, it helps.
boo
I used to do this but took it a step further:
Go for the left drone and take it out then drift right toward the lead. As you do the right drone will move right to left allowing you to hammer it while it crosses behind the leads rear gun. That leaves only the lead to go and as soon as the last drone is out of the way your guns are already hitting the lead.
Even if you don't get all three on one pass every one of the remaining are so beat up they're easy kills. Or you can leave them for someone else to finish off giving you the kills and them the assists.
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if close to a base killing the lead done forces him to calibrate again.
semp
+1
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I type in .dot wingman nme B-17 so I can saddle up easier. Really helps the hit %!
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With a 110, I approach from the side and rake across all 3 from nearly dead six.
Often awarded with three explosions in quick succession.