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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tuba515 on October 20, 2016, 12:55:53 PM
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I'm keeping this one simple this time! Please can we have the p61 !!!!!!!!!!!!! Its one of my favorite night fighters of WW2 ! I mean we have the 410 110 Mossie etc why not give us the p61 to add to the night fighter list please !!!!!!! :airplane: ps those four 20 mm (.79 in) cannons and 4 50 calls would be amazing :pray :rock
Crew: 2–3 (pilot, radar operator, optional gunner)
Length: 49 ft 7 in (15.11 m)
Wingspan: 66 ft 0 in (20.12 m)
Height: 14 ft 8 in (4.47 m)
Wing area: 662.36 ft2 (61.53 m2)
Empty weight: 23,450 lb (10,637 kg)
Loaded weight: 29,700 lb (13,471 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 36,200 lb (16,420 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-2800-65W Double Wasp radial engines, 2,250 hp (1,680 kW) each
Propellers: four-bladed Curtiss Electric propeller, 1 per engine
Propeller diameter: 146 in (3.72 m)
Fuel capacity:
Internal: 640 gal (2,423 L) of AN-F-48 100/130-octane rating gasoline
External: Up to four 165 gal (625 L) or 310 gal (1,173 L) tanks under the wings
Performance
Maximum speed: 366 mph (318 kn, 589 km/h) at 20,000 ft (6,095 m)
Combat range: 610 mi (520 nmi, 982 km)
Ferry range: 1,900 mi (1,650 nmi, 3,060 km) with four external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 33,100 ft (10,600 m)
Rate of climb: 2,540 ft/min (12.9 m/s)
Wing loading: 45 lb/ft2 (219 kg/m2)
Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb (250 W/kg)
Time to altitude: 12 min to 20,000 ft (6,100 m) (1,667 ft/min)
Armament
Guns:
4 × 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano AN/M2 cannon in ventral fuselage, 200 rounds per gun
4 × .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in remotely operated, full-traverse upper turret, 560 rpg
Bombs: for ground attack, four bombs of up to 1,600 lb (726 kg) each or six 5 in (127 mm) HVAR unguided rockets could be carried under the wings. Some aircraft could also carry one 1,000 lb (454 kg) bomb under the fuselage.
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also that climb rate !!!!!! :x :rock
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:aok
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I agree!
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+1
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No.
Aircraft that had a greater influence on the war, like the Beaufighter, should have a higher priority.
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+1!!
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No.
Aircraft that had a greater influence on the war, like the Beaufighter, should have a higher priority.
This got me thinking. What other aircraft, that had a significant impact on the War, remain to be included in AH?
Besides the Beaufighter's extensive service in multiple theaters, there is the Curtiss SB2C Helldiver, which I think was responsible for sinking more Japanese tonnage than any other aircraft...but what other planes are there? Something Russian I bet...
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No.
Aircraft that had a greater influence on the war, like the Beaufighter, should have a higher priority.
I totally agree we need the beaufighter ! The Only downside is well it will be another of many early war aircraft. It will be fun and I want it in game , but the p61 is just so cool!!! Haha and oboe the IAR 80 possibly?
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P-61 was a great turner as well for its size....3rd for American fighters behind the FM-2 and P-63 (per America's Hundred Thousand book).
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Not very fast though, 366mph @ 20k. But about equal to the Moss 6 and 110G.
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Not very fast though, 366mph @ 20k. But about equal to the Moss 6 and 110G.
The P-38M was faster.
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The P-38M was faster.
How many of those saw service? 50?
Agree the the P-61 should be included in the planeset but not before the BeauFighter. Don't get me started on the JU-52
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About 135 ish saw service but I could be wrong can some one fact check it ? I know it was very active in both fronts and the Pacific it wracked up alot of kills
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I would like to see a radar that works on it. It is a night fighter and IF we are going to have it lets have the radar modeled. It was a rather rudimentary radar compared to modern ones so I think it would not be too unbalancing to have it. Besides if we can get real night in SEA play then it would be cool to have it. We could get the Ju-88G down the road too.
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P61 have even higher wingloading than the 410... thought that was impossible :devil
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we don't need no stinking Nightfighter--besides our nights are only 30 mins long
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Not very fast though, 366mph @ 20k. But about equal to the Moss 6 and 110G.
you are comparing to a 1943, low altitude fighter - bomber. The mossie night fighters, especially the p61 contemporaries like the NF.30 could do well over 400 mph.
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+1 on the P-61. One of the first model airplanes I built was a Black Widow. Would love to be able to fly one in AH. Probably not my top priority, but would certainly welcome it's addition. Would be cool if the radar worked to put enemy icons of in-range nme's on the map for all friendlies to see. It would not be 360-deg coverage, but rather illuminate in a moving wedge ahead of your a/c. Of course, this would likely put an incredible strain on the server/bandwidth, but it would still be cool to be able to use it as a limited capability AWACS, when your local dar is down.
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<snip> Of course, this would likely put an incredible strain on the server/bandwidth, ....<snip>
No, it wouldn't.
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No, it wouldn't.
AH, so we can take that as a definite "maybe"! :banana: :x
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. . . but it would still be cool to be able to use it as a limited capability AWACS, when your local dar is down.
You're inventing a technology that did not exist in WWII. The aircraft crew had no way to share their radar screen, so it comes down to sharing information over vox.
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Rather than new aircraft and vehicles, let HTC take care of the
existing problems of AHIII :rock
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You're inventing a technology that did not exist in WWII. The aircraft crew had no way to share their radar screen, so it comes down to sharing information over vox.
That is true, but neither should we be able to pull up a clipboard in flight giving us a radar view of where our enemies and allies are.
I had a similar suggestion for the radar effect before on a P61, accept using it as a function for scenarios or for revealing enemy CVs and planes to allies within a close enough distance to the P61 (so not across the clipboard for everyone but those within, say, the same sector).
The plane would just be cool to have, none the less. Doesn't have to be "soon," but be cool to have access to someday.
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That is true, but neither should we be able to pull up a clipboard in flight giving us a radar view of where our enemies and allies are.
I had a similar suggestion for the radar effect before on a P61, accept using it as a function for scenarios or for revealing enemy CVs and planes to allies within a close enough distance to the P61 (so not across the clipboard for everyone but those within, say, the same sector).
The plane would just be cool to have, none the less. Doesn't have to be "soon," but be cool to have access to someday.
Beat me to it, Owl. The function of the radar/dar-bar and clipboard map in AH is not to emulate the technology of the day, but to promote combat. It provides much greater info and fidelity than the systems of the day were capable of, with instantaneous, theater-wide dissemination of that info. One piece of info I wish it did provide is a rough altitude estimate (perhaps when you hover over it with the mouse). As I recall, even early radar could provide this, though I may be mistaken. And unless we're willing to "bring on the night" in a realistic way in AH (with all it's attendant down-side, the capability I'm proposing is about the only way I can think of to make night-fighters relevant in this game.
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P61 radar operational range is about equal to the game's max range for seeing an icon. Which means you are picking up on the scope what the player will see at about the same moment of contact. The simplest solution to giving you an illusion of the radar, give each aircraft the ability to see an enemy map dot out to 6000k from your icon on the map.
By the time you see the CV, you have already been in trouble due to auto ack for some time. And night fighters in ww2 due to the limited range of the radar spent more time not finding the enemy while patrolling a likely intrusion area. The radar was the last part of a large effort of support players gathering info on likely places enemy aircraft might be after dark.
The AvA could setup night without the moon and friendly icons only. Then run some ETO night time scenarios with CM's giving VOX or text vectoring info. But, the players being the enemy would fly at 30k or treetop level to hit the target while giving you a single finger salute. Possibly the mission arena could run something like this and the AI would willingly be your sitting ducks flying in level over the Thames on moonless nights or Lancs over Dresden. I don't see players putting up with any of this if they don't have to. And I don't see Hitech forcing them to.
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As noted, nothing about the ground-based radar in AH represents the actual technological capabilities of the day...why should airborne radar in AH be tied to that anchor? In scenarios, sure; allow settings to restrict it to more quasi-realistic operating parameters. No need for this in the MA, where it can be used in the same way that our MA dar is...to find fights and counter the tactic of taking down field dar.
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As noted, nothing about the ground-based radar in AH represents the actual technological capabilities of the day...why should airborne radar in AH be tied to that anchor? In scenarios, sure; allow settings to restrict it to more quasi-realistic operating parameters. No need for this in the MA, where it can be used in the same way that our MA dar is...to find fights and counter the tactic of taking down field dar.
I'm against giving a plane an ability that didn't exist in the war.
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+1 on the P-61. One of the first model airplanes I built was a Black Widow. Would love to be able to fly one in AH. Probably not my top priority, but would certainly welcome it's addition. Would be cool if the radar worked to put enemy icons of in-range nme's on the map for all friendlies to see. It would not be 360-deg coverage, but rather illuminate in a moving wedge ahead of your a/c. Of course, this would likely put an incredible strain on the server/bandwidth, but it would still be cool to be able to use it as a limited capability AWACS, when your local dar is down.
You don't need a P-61 for that when you have cybro.
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As noted, nothing about the ground-based radar in AH represents the actual technological capabilities of the day...why should airborne radar in AH be tied to that anchor? In scenarios, sure; allow settings to restrict it to more quasi-realistic operating parameters. No need for this in the MA, where it can be used in the same way that our MA dar is...to find fights and counter the tactic of taking down field dar.
It is a short range radar that relied on as much as luck or knowing from intel and previous experience where intruders "might" be coming into an area after dark. It's range is equal to when you would first see the enemy red Icon. At which point you don't need it's radar because you will see the icon and can report your contact location on range and text. And that is 3k farther than you get in FSO or Special Events. You will not be like an AWAC feeding the night time MA special info.
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You don't need a P-61 for that when you have cybro.
Not familiar with the term, "cybro". Bustr, perhaps you missed the point I made about radar in AH. I'm well aware of what both ground based and airborne radar was capable of during this historical period. My suggestion applies primarily to MA game-play, as I stated. As far as Ack-Ack's comment, there are too many examples that already exist of unrealistic capabilities to list here. But, peace...It's called the "Wishlist" forum for a reason. :salute
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That is true, but neither should we be able to pull up a clipboard in flight giving us a radar view of where our enemies and allies are.
I had a similar suggestion for the radar effect before on a P61, accept using it as a function for scenarios or for revealing enemy CVs and planes to allies within a close enough distance to the P61 (so not across the clipboard for everyone but those within, say, the same sector).
The plane would just be cool to have, none the less. Doesn't have to be "soon," but be cool to have access to someday.
Puffy ack would be hitting the P-61 before any of its radar systems would be able to find anything.
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Regardless the radar argument, it is still a sweet looking plane and would be awesome to have in combat.
For the Radar argument: yes puffy would be shooting at the p61, but it in turn would be giving a clipboard map icon of the enemy CV (or at least a sector notice on the clipboard rather than just VOX indication) for as long as the p61 avoids the puffy ack. Just an idea.
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Regardless the radar argument, it is still a sweet looking plane and would be awesome to have in combat.
For the Radar argument: yes puffy would be shooting at the p61, but it in turn would be giving a clipboard map icon of the enemy CV (or at least a sector notice on the clipboard rather than just VOX indication) for as long as the p61 avoids the puffy ack. Just an idea.
The P-61 couldn't detect land targets with it's radar, it was only for air to air so it wouldn't be able to detect a CV.
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This thread shall live !!! :rock :airplane: :salute :pray :p
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+1 to the P-61
We can wait for the beaufighter, it is a smurfy plane!
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Yes! Long live The Thread! :airplane:
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No.
Aircraft that had a greater influence on the war, like the Beaufighter, should have a higher priority.
Yeah, like the SB2C.
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They proved themselves in the Battle of the Philippine Sea, alright. The P-61 never saw such combat.
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They proved themselves plenty of places. Helldivers had a tough start but they did well overall.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3ZOzVbHsQ
His account of a p38 vs p61 in a test dogfight during the war.
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the story begins about 4 min in.
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https://youtu.be/kc2EzlZSyv8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3ZOzVbHsQ
His account of a p38 vs p61 in a test dogfight during the war.
The funny thing is that the P-38M program produced a P-38 night fighter that was just as good (and faster) than the P-61 but the war ended before the P-38M saw any action.
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HE219 Uhu. A formidable aircraft.
I remember reading about the Airborne Intercept Radar of those days.
The Displays, were 2 CRT oscilloscopes , one for Up/Down and the other for Left/Right.
The spike on the CRT would say the target was, above or below, left or right.
The height of the spike would say how far, above or below, left or right.
Naturally relative to the radar emitter aircraft. It was quite short ranged.
Ground based radar would steer the Night Fighter into the bomber stream, Then the
airborne radar operator would direct the pilot onto the target, until it appeared as
a shadow in the darkness, or was illuminated by spotlights, or the flames of a
burning city below. Shooting ranges were very short!
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big beautiful twin engine American ride with a fork tail I might add I'm game! :x :x
Beau and B25J need added too either of the three id be happy with.
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I agree. Vote the P-61 in. :aok
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27th
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+10000000
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Beaufighter first!