Special Events Forums => Scenario General => Topic started by: Brooke on October 24, 2016, 03:37:12 AM
Title: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Brooke on October 24, 2016, 03:37:12 AM
OK, folks. It's time to start gathering ideas for what the next scenario should be. :aok
It is tentatively scheduled for February.
Since the last scenario was 12-hour format, this next one will be 4 frames.
What should the battle be?
Like last time, we will gather suggestions for a while, have a primary vote, then take the top 4 and vote on which it will be. Very roughly speaking, the process will be about a month to get to a final vote, a month+ for design, and a month+ for recruiting to fill spots.
CO volunteers are welcome at any time in the process. :aok
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Beefcake on October 24, 2016, 03:48:43 AM
Maybe something Russia or Japanese themed. To be honest I really want to do BoB in 12 hour format so that might have to wait until late next year.
I know Her Vudu wants to fly some Ki43s.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Brooke on October 24, 2016, 04:19:25 AM
A list of the suggested events last time around.
Feel free to add more or suggest different versions of whatever -- this is just for reference.
3. Channel Dash. The Kriegsmarine is trying to get Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Prinz Eugen to safety. The Luftwaffe put up a huge moving CAP over the Channel, and the RAF struck in force. Spit V, Hurri II, Beaufort, Wellington, Swordfish, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, maybe Ju 88.
4. North Africa. Fights in the desert of North Africa. A very fun plane set and nice change of terrain. Spit V, Spit IX, P-38G, P-40, P-39, A-20, B-25, Boston, 109G, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, C.202, Ju 88.
5. Late-war 8th AF. 8th AF strategic bombing with high-alt escorts vs. high-alt Luftwaffe. Like DGS/BOG. P-51, P-47, P-38, B-17, B-24, 109G-14, 109K, 190D, maybe some 190A-8.
6. Cactus Air Force. These guys fought out of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal under very tough conditions and held the place against concerted and repeated Japanese air attacks. This is where Joe Foss fought. A6M2, A6M3, D3A, G4M, F4F, P-39, SBD, TBM.
7. Battle of the Bismarck Sea. A major engagement in the Guadalcanal Campaign with a good matchup of aircraft. Ki-43, Zero, P-40, P-39, P-38G, A-20, B-25, singleton B-17/B-24.
8. Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands. A battle between carrier groups. Zero, D3A, B5N, F4F, SBD, TBM.
9. Late-war Philippines. A fight with late-war Japanese fighters and bombers. Ki-84, N1K1, Ki-61, A6M5b, Ki-67, P-47, P-38, F4U, F6F, B-25, B-24.
10. Modified D-Day. Like D-Day, but with strong Luftwaffe opposition. So, D-Day aircraft set on allied side, but later-war Luftwaffe stuff in equal abundance in opposition. This one is usually quite fun when we run it as This Day in WWII. It would work as a 4-frame and perhaps especially well as 12-hour.
11. Operation Unthinkable. A "what if" scenario of Soviets vs. RAF.
12. Late-war USAAF vs. Japan. A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84 vs. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29 -- like frame 4 of "The Pacific War" scenario, which was decently balanced.
OK, folks. It's time to start gathering ideas for what the next scenario should be. :aok
It is tentatively scheduled for February.
Since the last scenario was 12-hour format, this next one will be 4 frames. . . .
Are you set the next will be 4 frames? This last 12 hr event was such a success.
I like the late war planes in this. Late-war USAAF vs. Japan. A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84 vs. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: artik on October 24, 2016, 07:45:28 AM
What I don't see is early Eastern front i.e. 1941 Summer, Barbarossa one of the most important air campaigns of WW2 that resulted in total air superiority for LW on eastern front.
I think today we do have very relevant plane set:
Axis: 109E-4 and limited 109F-4; bombers Ju-87, He-111 & Ju-88; tanks Panzer IV with short 75mm canon Allies: I-16 and limited Yak-7b; bombers IL-2; Tanks T-34
I want to note that ideally we need 109F-2 and Yak-1, LaGG-3 and MiG-3... but we don't
109F-4 is later version with more powerful engine that wan't avalible in significant numbers in 1941 Yak-7b is also 1942 version but in terms of performance it was still close to Yak-1
So I think this plane set would be very representative, also it is later that exactly 1941 it is good enough and balanced match I-16 vs 109E and Yak-7b vs 109F-4. Same for tanks and bombers.
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11. Operation Unthinkable. A "what if" scenario of Soviets vs. RAF.
If you are doing "what if" so I'd suggest what if Korean war was started at 1946... i.e. La-7, Yak-9U, Yak-3, Tu-2, IL-2 vs P-51D, F4U4, Spitfires XVI/XIV. It little bit more historic concept (BTW on the beginning there were indeed La-9, IL-10 and Yaks)
Of course 1948 Arab Israeli war (http://cppcms.com/files/ah/1948/1948-ah2-event.pdf)* would be cool as well ;-) :bolt:
* draft needs rework.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Nefarious on October 24, 2016, 07:49:17 AM
I have a concept I would like to run before February. Just depends on Brookes schedule as I do not want them to overlap each other.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: branch37 on October 24, 2016, 08:08:23 AM
Solomons. P-40, F4F, F4U,B-17/25, A6M, Ki-61, G4M, D3A, B5N. Maybe P-38s but I'm not sure on that one.
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Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Zimme83 on October 24, 2016, 08:20:39 AM
Barbarossa with I-16/Yak-7 vs 109E/F would be just as big slaughter as it was irl.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 24, 2016, 08:54:07 AM
What will draw the largest numbers?
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: puller on October 24, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
So lets look at this....
We don't want to use our Battle of Britain...so that's out...
We have been in the Mediterranean area for like 2 years of scenarios...that needs to be out. :rolleyes:
We have been in Russia since the last Pacific Scenario...
So I guess we need to start looking at the Pacific...I'm wanting to say our big Pacific Scenario was in June of '14?
I like Branch's idea of the Solomons...
Planeset: Allies F4F-4 P38G P39D P40E or F Doesn't matter SBD TBM (this is a contentious point)
Japanese A6M2 (allow bombs) A6M3 (allow bombs) KI43 Val Kate
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Zimme83 on October 24, 2016, 10:30:58 AM
Leave the P-38 and P-39 out and we have a deal. They will unbalance it too much, P-40 is already faster than the other and based on previous scenarios the Wildcat can perform well against Zekes.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: swareiam on October 24, 2016, 11:06:49 AM
I'd like to see KARELIA as an event.
Finnish AF: B-239, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, JU88s, and (P-40C as a substitute for other aircraft.)
vs.
VVS: La5FN, Yak9T, P-39Q, Il-2 and TU-2s.
That war only lasted until late 1944.
We would need the AH Terrain team to patch up the map and get it back on the road.
But this would be fun. The Fins would probably like to fly in it as well. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I also like the "Last Bomb".
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Devil 505 on October 24, 2016, 11:39:24 AM
Finnish AF: B-239, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, JU88s, and (P-40C as a substitute for other aircraft.)
vs.
VVS: La5FN, Yak9T, P-39Q, Il-2 and TU-2s.
That war only lasted until late 1944.
We would need the AH Terrain team to patch up the map and get it back on the road.
But this would be fun. The Fins would probably like to fly in it as well. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We just had an eastern front setup with most of these planes - and better balanced than this. No thanks.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: shotgunneeley on October 24, 2016, 11:56:40 AM
Fall of Singapore, February 1942.
RAF Hurricane IIs vs IJA G4M Bettys and Ki-43s set to attack airfields and cities. Could have a light ground game substituting with M3 75mm cannon vs Panzer IV short-barrell and SdKfz 251s set to capture fields.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 24, 2016, 12:35:50 PM
Leave the P-38 and P-39 out and we have a deal. They will unbalance it too much, P-40 is already faster than the other and based on previous scenarios the Wildcat can perform well against Zekes.
You are kiddin right?
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Phast12 on October 24, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
I have a concept I would like to run before February. Just depends on Brookes schedule as I do not want them to overlap each other.
More is good!!! :rock
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Zimme83 on October 24, 2016, 01:18:19 PM
Nope. The charts dont lie: (http://hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=81&p2=115&pw=0>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData) (http://hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=118&p2=115&pw=0>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Devil 505 on October 24, 2016, 01:31:46 PM
Nope. The charts dont lie: (http://hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=81&p2=115&pw=0>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData) (http://hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=118&p2=115&pw=0>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
P-40E would be the more accurate choice.
The real problem is that the 38's and Cosairs dominate the Zekes about as well as the Zekes dominate the P-40's and P-39's. Not easy to balance and keep it fun for everyone.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Zimme83 on October 24, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
I've flown a wildcat against zekes in a scenario and it was a very fun and even fight, the wildcat have a lot of ammo and the zekes are weak... P-40:s would have a pure Bnz role as they are faster than the rest and with 6x .50s they would be very deadly. TBM +SBD is also much more potent than their japanese counterparts.
So A6m3 + Ki-43 against F4f and P-40E/F is my suggestion.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Chris79 on October 24, 2016, 01:48:06 PM
DDay?
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Dawger on October 24, 2016, 02:35:37 PM
Operation Cartwheel-Air campaign against Rabaul October/November 1943
Land based raids were flown against Rabaul by B-25 and 24's escorted by P-38's
The Navy sent in carrier strikes.
The multiple raid format suits the 4 frame setup pretty well.
Throw in some Japanese carriers for added spice
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: JunkyII on October 24, 2016, 02:45:34 PM
I've flown a wildcat against zekes in a scenario and it was a very fun and even fight, the wildcat have a lot of ammo and the zekes are weak... P-40:s would have a pure Bnz role as they are faster than the rest and with 6x .50s they would be very deadly. TBM +SBD is also much more potent than their japanese counterparts.
So A6m3 + Ki-43 against F4f and P-40E/F is my suggestion.
I have to competely disagree with you....zeak vs wildcat zeak should win every time...zeak vs P40,,,yes the P40 can runor dive away but as soon as they turn for shot they slow themself down enough for another zeak to swoop in for an easy kill. You need P38s to give Allies a chance....the question is how many.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Zimme83 on October 24, 2016, 03:24:38 PM
we did battle of the coral sea, wildcats vs zekes, The cats dominated the zekes. I was really surprised how well the Wildcat performed.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Krusty on October 24, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
I would like to repeat that I am not a fan of the 12-hour format. It's harder for me to schedule, and I feel like I missed out on a lot more, and let my squad down by not being able to fly more. Overall I got to fly for about 1.5-2 hours and that's it. I don't know how anything else went. I feel that when it's split up into frames of 2-3 hours over a series of weekends I feel a greater sense of involvement, as well as I get a better feel for the progress of the overall success (or loss) of a team. I honestly feel like I didn't matter at all in the single 12-hour frame format.
Nothing against the scenario itself, just commenting on the format for future consideration.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: LilMak on October 24, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
Jugs. Must have Jugs!
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Devil 505 on October 24, 2016, 05:36:08 PM
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: swareiam on October 25, 2016, 01:28:47 PM
(http://www.brooksart.com/bodenplatte.jpg) Hell Over the Hinterland
Aces High III - 12 Hour Scenario Germany Winter Map
Introduction:
US and British forces are firmly planted in the low countries and northern France and are constantly advancing toward the Rhine River. The Battle of the Bulge is about to see its first day of clear weather in two weeks. Meteorologist on both sides are predicting clear skies. General officers on both sides are making plans to obliterate the enemy from the air. Who will be the victor in this low altitude, hard hitting, fast paced super scurry in the skies of Western Europe?
USAAF and RAF: P-51D, P-38L, P-47D-40, Spitfire XVI, Spitfire VIII, Typhoon Mk IB, Tempest V, Mosquito VI
Exactly. That was my reply to using A5s against SpitVs. A5s vs SpitIXs which were developed to combat the A2s and A4s. If you're using 190A5s you match with SpitIX in that time period.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Joker312 on October 25, 2016, 06:15:27 PM
So many good ones to choose from. I should give it more thought but a hasty decision would be a Pacific theme. Would really like to see it based on the early combat around Port Moresby before the battle of Coral Sea. P40's, P39's, F3F's, A20's, B26's Vs A6m2, A6m3, Oscars, Betty's, Val's, Kate's. If we had Helen's and Lily's would be an even better setup.
Summer '41 another good one and Artiks early Korean War "what if" is interesting.
Cant wait to see what you decide.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Wildcat1 on October 26, 2016, 04:06:02 AM
I was a huge fan of The Final Battle in 2010. ETO naval combat, though hypothetical, was a very interesting, and I thought very balanced event.
But, any excuse to get me in a Hog or a Wildcat will be very well received by me :cheers:
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: nrshida on October 26, 2016, 04:21:34 AM
Channel Dash. Give HTC some motivation to include this now that AHIII is finished:-
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: LCADolby on October 26, 2016, 04:27:50 PM
I don't think we should do The Battle of Britain. I think we should go later into the war like 1943 have a large air war of raiding bombers, escorts and fighters into northern France and Germany. While the Luftwaffe fight back bombing cities and infrastructures. I think that might be a cool scenario to play out
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: GScholz on October 26, 2016, 05:19:57 PM
I would really like something Pacific, but the relative superiority of Allied aircraft after 1942 in that theater tend to make those scenarios one-sided. I would love to blast through a formation of Zekes in a P-38, but where can we find people willing to fly the Zekes...
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Hajo on October 26, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
I would really like something Pacific, but the relative superiority of Allied aircraft after 1942 in that theater tend to make those scenarios one-sided. I would love to blast through a formation of Zekes in a P-38, but where can we find people willing to fly the Zekes...
So your dependence on flying in a scenario requires you to have a perceived better aircraft? Most of us fly either allied or axis and I'm sure more register if they can get the ride they want with a favorable plane set.
To me I usually fly allied and I take what I can get. Thus the 38G in the last scenario. I guess some people always have to have an advantage to have fun <shrugz>
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: GScholz on October 26, 2016, 06:19:48 PM
I guess I didn't make myself clear... I meant the the relative difference in performance in the Pacific theater is a problem. I typically fly Axis because they need the people, because most want to fly Allied.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Beefcake on October 26, 2016, 06:53:31 PM
I'd love to fly in the Pacific again but I will never fly those dag on Betty's again. Something about "Beefcake" and open flames.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: GScholz on October 26, 2016, 07:12:16 PM
See the problem Hajo?
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 26, 2016, 08:35:11 PM
I guess I didn't make myself clear... I meant the the relative difference in performance in the Pacific theater is a problem. I typically fly Axis because they need the people, because most want to fly Allied.
I'd agree on this. No matter what you do, it will feel unbalanced and getting folks into the Japanese birds will always be harder.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: GScholz on October 26, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
It still leaves 1942 though... Which is kinda balanced. Meaning that the best and newest fighters the Japanese fielded, the Zeke and Tony, were a match for the (and you'll forgive me for saying so) piss-poor pre-war P-39, P-40 and F4F... So Coral Sea, Midway (what a fitting name for the turning point in a war), New Guinea, the Solomons and Guadalcanal are still good historical settings for a balanced scenario IMHO.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: puller on October 26, 2016, 10:57:59 PM
Rabaul...
Traditional scenario...
2 life frame...
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Brooke on October 27, 2016, 01:26:58 AM
There are some types of Pacific fighter setups that aren't lopsided.
Zeros and Ki-43's are OK vs. F4F's, P-40's, and to some extent P-39's (this is like Coral Sea and Rangoon) Ki-84's, N1K's, Ki-61's are OK vs. American stuff (like Philippines and last frame of Pacific War)
What doesn't work is Zeros/Ki-43's vs. later American stuff. That is just too lopsided.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Wildcat1 on October 27, 2016, 03:52:42 AM
I think a Guadalcanal setup would be fun, except you'd have to make the IJAAF hit the American fleets as well, because a scenario with a single central target almost always results in a loss for the attackers.
A6M3, Ki-43, D3A, B5N, G4M
vs.
F4F, P-40C, SBD, TBM
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Nefarious on October 27, 2016, 06:31:04 AM
From what I have read and understand, the first P-40s on Guadalcanal were P-40Fs around November of 1942.
It looks like New Guinea got the P-40E's (Allison Engined) and the Solomons got the P-40F (Merlin Engined).
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: swareiam on October 27, 2016, 11:36:23 AM
I'll fly a "Merlined" Warhawk in any event. :aok :salute
Used to LOVE the P-40 till HT nerfed it. My biggest complaint with the updated version is gunsight which is flippin useless. It's too small and too low.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: BFOOT1 on October 27, 2016, 03:27:17 PM
I think the RAF Circus Operations would be a good scenario. Quick action over the channel to France with 109 F-4's vs Spit V's. Count me in! :aok
Stampf, if it's a Luftwaffe setup, do ya mind if I tag along with you guys?
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: swareiam on October 27, 2016, 03:28:57 PM
Used to LOVE the P-40 till HT nerfed it. My biggest complaint with the updated version is gunsight which is flippin useless. It's too small and too low.
Remember the P-40E from about 6 or 7 years ago. It was faster than a P-40 should have been and it had an added bonus... wait for it.
It had WEP. :cool:
The P-40F is likely the plane the Allies flew in the deserts of North Africa. It surely wasn't a Katana blade, more like a dull switch blade. I can still kill you with it, but it might take me a minute. :)
I agree on the gunsight, so I switched to a German gunsight and all is well. :aok
I had a great time this scenario in the Warhawk. This scenario produced some awesome fights.
I want to :salute the Axis fighter pilot corp. Not only did you guys sign-up the best. You plotted, planned and executed a butt whoppin. :cry
Congratulations!
Maybe next time ah?
:salute
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: LilMak on October 27, 2016, 03:58:51 PM
I agree on the gunsight, so I switched to a German gunsight and all is well. :aok
My beef is with the size of the glass/mount the sight is projected on. It's about 1/3 of the size it should be. I've had my head inside the real thing and the sight takes up the majority of the forward visibility.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: GScholz on October 27, 2016, 04:21:02 PM
That's probably just your head position and wide FOV in-game. In the 109 I've moved the head position forward to get a more correct view, but with the high FOV I use it is impossible to get it totally right.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Molsman on October 27, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
would BOG be out of the Question for a 12 hr event???
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: swareiam on October 27, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
would BOG be out of the Question for a 12 hr event???
Dude,
Sounds like a taker. I think that is the only scenario I have missed since 2008.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Molsman on October 27, 2016, 07:22:15 PM
Was the 2nd Scenario I flew in since coming back I think the first one I flew in was was Philippine Phandango or something like that. But the most I recall about BOG was the even matched planes and the great fights that came with the event I could be wrong but I think there were alot of Great remarks plus some bad like always about that Scenario and the Turn out was pretty good but then again I could be wrong, just sitting here and thinking of what Hit Scenarios with good turn outs would be good for 12 hr events and this seems to the new trend of going to 12 hrs easier for alot of us to get off from work to play the events then 4 Saturdays of trying to get off from work.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Dantoo on October 27, 2016, 11:15:22 PM
Anybody around from the AW team? They canned some interesting scenarios back in the day. It's possible that a list of their work would throw out some new ideas.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: ROC on October 27, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
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Anybody around from the AW team?
Brooke and I at least.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Dantoo on October 28, 2016, 02:17:33 AM
Jordi used to be in that group and Tilt? You must have some docs laying about somewhere or a few shadowy memories at any rate.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Brooke on October 28, 2016, 04:30:38 AM
Anybody around from the AW team? They canned some interesting scenarios back in the day. It's possible that a list of their work would throw out some new ideas.
Yes. I started a group that did them in the later 1990's. It's been so long, I don't think I have any info left on the designs. Some might exist online somewhere for all I know.
A list of them going back to the first one in 1993 are here, along with pictorials from the few most-recent ones: http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/scenarios.html
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 28, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
I was part of the Catch-22 crowd that did Ploesti, Italy and a couple others.
The Ploesti "Those who Fall" was the one that brought us the infamous "I Call Bull#^*t" whine 😀
That was a side switch that included a low level Ploesti run, the all P-38 Ploesti raid anc a normal bombing raid where you had to run them but the CO decided which frame they wanted to do them. Seems like I recall 6 frames with each side flying 3 Allied and 3 Axis
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: puller on October 28, 2016, 05:30:05 PM
I'm ready to start voting on the theater...then we can work on design :noid
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: ROC on October 28, 2016, 06:19:57 PM
Jordi, Tilt, Flossy, ya shadow memory has them lurking. I think Culero is still around but not in game, I seem to remember asw being on there, maybe Hajo? I am going to have to really search, I know there are a lot.
Oh, here is an scenario standard DoK drafted way back when
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: mthrockmor on October 28, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
In priority.... #17, 16, 9 and 11.
Boo
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Chris79 on October 28, 2016, 07:38:48 PM
10,1,11,16
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Brooke on October 29, 2016, 02:08:58 AM
By the way, folks, we're not tallying votes yet.
First, folks can discuss and develop any additional suggestions.
Once it's time to open the vote, I'll start a new topic for it.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: branch37 on October 30, 2016, 10:05:50 PM
I think if you take a late '43 setup and skew the plane set a little. Add more Ki-61s, it would balance out the P-38s and F4Us. The Ki-61 is more than a match for the F4U-1 or -1A. My vote is still for solomons late '43.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: puller on October 30, 2016, 10:21:46 PM
Ki61s and A6M3s...allow the fighters to carry bombs...
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Devil 505 on October 30, 2016, 10:43:12 PM
I think if you take a late '43 setup and skew the plane set a little. Add more Ki-61s, it would balance out the P-38s and F4Us. The Ki-61 is more than a match for the F4U-1 or -1A. My vote is still for solomons late '43.
The Tony is a good match for the P-38G, but any Corsair will run rings around it. Every Solomons or New Guinea event that had F4U's has been broken because of them.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Shuffler on November 02, 2016, 06:35:44 AM
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Vudu15 on November 11, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
Your percentage play based on players outside of regulars would be late war ETO. Our plane set lends to this and the player base most likes this set of a/c and you can lay in a good deal of diversity in the plane set. I'd prefer an early PTO myself though.
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Post by: BFOOT1 on November 15, 2016, 10:14:31 AM
If we are talking about strictly numbers alone, the two scenarios that come to my mind are BoB, and any scenario pitting the 1944-1945 8th Air Force against the Luftwaffe.
With as many P-47's, P-38's, P-51D's, Bf-109K'4s (G-14's), FW-190 A-8's and D-9's, that we see in the MA, I think you'd draw a good crowd for the fighter works. The bomber portion, I just truly don't know as the numbers always vary on who is leading which group, and who they can recruit.
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Post by: mbailey on November 15, 2016, 11:42:38 AM
Would love to see a PTO event.....
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Post by: swareiam on November 15, 2016, 11:59:30 AM
3. Channel Dash. The Kriegsmarine is trying to get Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Prinz Eugen to safety. The Luftwaffe put up a huge moving CAP over the Channel, and the RAF struck in force. Spit V, Hurri II, Beaufort, Wellington, Swordfish, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, maybe Ju 88.
5. Late-war 8th AF. 8th AF strategic bombing with high-alt escorts vs. high-alt Luftwaffe. Like DGS/BOG. P-51, P-47, P-38, B-17, B-24, 109G-14, 109K, 190D, maybe some 190A-8.
6. Cactus Air Force. These guys fought out of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal under very tough conditions and held the place against concerted and repeated Japanese air attacks. This is where Joe Foss fought. A6M2, A6M3, D3A, G4M, F4F, P-39, SBD, TBM.
7. Battle of the Bismarck Sea. A major engagement in the Guadalcanal Campaign with a good matchup of aircraft. Ki-43, Zero, P-40, P-39, P-38G, A-20, B-25, singleton B-17/B-24.
8. Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands. A battle between carrier groups. Zero, D3A, B5N, F4F, SBD, TBM.
9. Late-war Philippines. A fight with late-war Japanese fighters and bombers. Ki-84, N1K1, Ki-61, A6M5b, Ki-67, P-47, P-38, F4U, F6F, B-25, B-24.
10. Modified D-Day. Like D-Day, but with strong Luftwaffe opposition. So, D-Day aircraft set on allied side, but later-war Luftwaffe stuff in equal abundance in opposition. This one is usually quite fun when we run it as This Day in WWII. It would work as a 4-frame and perhaps especially well as 12-hour.
11. Operation Unthinkable. A "what if" scenario of Soviets vs. RAF.
12. Late-war USAAF vs. Japan. A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84 vs. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29 -- like frame 4 of "The Pacific War" scenario, which was decently balanced.
13. Winter War -- Brewsters 109e 110c's p39s i16s
16. Late-war Soviet vs. Japan ("what if" scenario).
17. Summer 1941 RAF raids against Luftwaffe in France / coastal areas. "Johnnie Johnson describes it as the most brutal air fighting of the war." Spit I/V vs. 109E/F.
18 Battle Over the Winter Line (January, 2015 19 The Pacific War (June, 2014 20 Battle of Britain 2013 (September, 2013 21 Mediterranean Maelstrom (March, 2013 22 Der Grosse Schlag II (October, 2012 23 Winter Sky - Death Ground (April, 2012 24 Enemy Coast Ahead (October, 2011 25 Road to Rangoon (May, 2011 26 Battle Over Germany (February, 2011 27 Philippine Phandango (August, 2010 28 The Final Battle (March, 2010 29 Red Storm / Krupp Steel (October, 2009 30 Coral Sea 2009 (July, 2009 32 Operation Husky (June, 2007 33 Operation Downfall (July, 2006 35 Fire Over Malta (November, 2005
36. 1941 Summer, Barbarossa. 109E-4 and limited 109F-4; bombers Ju-87, He-111 & Ju-88; tanks Panzer IV with short 75mm canon; I-16 and limited Yak-7b; bombers IL-2; Tanks T-34
37. Solomons. P-40, F4F, F4U,B-17/25, A6M, ki-43, Ki-61?, G4M, D3A, B5N. Maybe P-38s but I'm not sure on that one. SBD, TBM (this is a contentious point)
38. Fall of Singapore, February 1942. RAF Hurricane IIs vs IJA G4M Bettys and Ki-43s set to attack airfields and cities. Could have a light ground game substituting with M3 75mm cannon vs Panzer IV short-barrell and SdKfz 251s set to capture fields.
39. Operation Cartwheel-Air campaign against Rabaul October/November 1943, B-25 and 24's escorted by P-38's. The Navy sent in carrier strikes.
40. Hell Over the Hinterland. The Battle of the Bulge is about to see its first day of clear weather in two weeks. P-51D, P-38L, P-47D-40, Spitfire XVI, Spitfire VIII, Typhoon Mk IB, Tempest V, Mosquito VI, BF109G-14, ME109K-4, FW190A-8, FW190F-8, FW190D-9, TA-152, ME410, BF110G-2
41. The Last Bomb. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29, KI61, KI84, N1k2J, A6M5b, BF110C-4b, ME163
42. Battle of the Philippine Sea. Carriers. f6f, sbd, tbm vs. a6m, d3a, b5n
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Chris79 on November 18, 2016, 08:16:00 PM
3,10,11,16
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Post by: Devil 505 on November 18, 2016, 08:56:39 PM
1,2,11,17
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Post by: FBDragon on November 18, 2016, 11:41:28 PM
1,3,5,9,17, and 26 :salute
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Post by: Devil 505 on November 18, 2016, 11:49:46 PM
OOPS!!! :bhead ok so I didn't pay attention, it's the meds I tell ya!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: FBDragon on November 18, 2016, 11:56:59 PM
minus 9 and 17!!! :cheers: :devil :old: :old: :old: :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: swareiam on November 19, 2016, 12:31:15 AM
8,13,40,41
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Post by: artik on November 19, 2016, 03:54:07 AM
36 Barbarossa, 13 Winter war, 35 Malta, 38 fall of Singapore
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Post by: Bruv119 on November 19, 2016, 01:00:46 PM
1,10,17 , 40
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: KCDitto on November 19, 2016, 01:17:55 PM
Devil, I am surprised you did not pick #3? How long in game time does it take a fleet to go from Breast to Hamburg? Can we break that up into 4 frames?
Anyway
3 5 17 40
I want to do 1 but as a 12 hour deal, so I will advocate for that next go around.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Devil 505 on November 19, 2016, 01:44:51 PM
Devil, I am surprised you did not pick #3? How long in game time does it take a fleet to go from Breast to Hamburg? Can we break that up into 4 frames?
Anyway
3 5 17 40
I want to do 1 but as a 12 hour deal, so I will advocate for that next go around.
Because #3 is perfect for a 12hr event. :aok
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Post by: KCDitto on November 19, 2016, 02:15:10 PM
OK I get it.
I took notes when we were talking about that on teamspeak that day but cannot find them. Will it take 12 hours to get there?
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Post by: hulk31st on November 19, 2016, 02:56:23 PM
1, 7, 9, 16
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Post by: puller on November 19, 2016, 03:54:50 PM
6 2 8 37
:noid
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Post by: TheBug on November 19, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
1,5,17,40
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Post by: Tracerfi on November 19, 2016, 04:07:12 PM
6,8,36,40
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Post by: Kanth on November 19, 2016, 04:08:01 PM
10 13 17 40
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Post by: Molsman on November 19, 2016, 08:54:16 PM
3 5 10 40
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Post by: Wildcat1 on November 20, 2016, 12:35:16 AM
3 6 8 36
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Post by: Phast12 on November 20, 2016, 07:40:54 AM
5 10 17 40
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Devil 505 on November 20, 2016, 08:57:22 PM
I took notes when we were talking about that on teamspeak that day but cannot find them. Will it take 12 hours to get there?
I assume you're talking about the ships. No way to tell until we have a map with the English Channel in AH3. Regardless, the ships could be limited to certain sectors each phase. Since the actual operation was made in one day, I think it would be best to try to make a 12-hour, single day scenario out of it. Part of the challenge faced by the Luftwaffe was providing constant cover for the ships from dawn to dusk while the ships made the trip from Cherbourg through the Dover Straits.
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Every sortie was meticulously timed to allow the fighters exactly 30 minutes over the ships, enough to maintain cover and allow the relieved units to refuel and rearm and return to start the cycle again. However, during Donnerkeil, the relieving sortie would arrive after only 20 minutes which meant the actual fighter cover for half the dash would be 32 fighters
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: Nefarious on November 21, 2016, 07:21:36 AM
BoB40 is now available. As well as Luzon and a new map, Malaysia.
Title: Re: What should the February Scenario be?
Post by: KCDitto on November 21, 2016, 08:22:56 PM
I assume you're talking about the ships. No way to tell until we have a map with the English Channel in AH3. Regardless, the ships could be limited to certain sectors each phase. Since the actual operation was made in one day, I think it would be best to try to make a 12-hour, single day scenario out of it. Part of the challenge faced by the Luftwaffe was providing constant cover for the ships from dawn to dusk while the ships made the trip from Cherbourg through the Dover Straits.
OK I M ON BOARD FOR THIS..
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Post by: Joker312 on November 21, 2016, 10:57:03 PM
2,6,7,8
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Post by: Stampf on November 22, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
1, 5, 17, 40.
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Post by: BFOOT1 on November 22, 2016, 09:51:36 AM
1,5,17,& 29
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Post by: Wiley on November 22, 2016, 10:11:13 AM
1 5 17 40
Wiley.
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Post by: 1Canukk on November 22, 2016, 01:08:15 PM
1. 5. 10. 17. 40.
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Post by: shotgunneeley on November 22, 2016, 10:15:04 PM
3, 11, 13, 38
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Post by: BaldEagl on November 22, 2016, 11:12:09 PM
1 8 19 40
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Post by: Beefcake on November 28, 2016, 12:37:12 PM
2, 5, 36, 41
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Post by: branch37 on November 29, 2016, 09:20:42 AM
2, 9, 37, 39.
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Post by: Krusty on November 29, 2016, 10:19:28 AM
In no particular order:
BOB (with NO Ju88s)
Modified D-day (why? late planeset everybody loves and I'm curious to see how you'd set it up)
New Guinea, 1943
1941 Summer, Barbarossa. (sounds like we actually have the planeset for it, too!)
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Post by: StokesAk on December 01, 2016, 04:10:24 PM
2,bob
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Post by: 1ijac on December 08, 2016, 01:14:59 AM
10
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Post by: Sloehand on December 09, 2016, 04:32:52 AM
I now understand Brooke's ongoing challenges in life. Notice his numbering of the scenario options. 1, 2, 3... 5, 6, 7, 8, etc. :bolt:
My choices are 40, 17, 5, 29
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Post by: puller on December 15, 2016, 05:59:27 PM
February is closing in fast...and the vote total is.... :noid
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Post by: Brooke on December 17, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
OK, vote totals for determining the final four to vote on.