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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: oboe on November 18, 2016, 09:09:46 AM
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Was playing last night with 38maw when my screen fritzed out - vertical white banding and a buzzing sound. I rebooted and next time I went into AH and spawned to the runway it did it again, this time producing a full screen of pale yellow vertical bands. I started a video card monitor and did it again, and did not notice hi temps but the GPU usage spiked off the scale at the point I get the lockup.
Next time I got into AH I got a solid white screen, and the system was totally locked - had to hold the power button down to reboot. I left it sit overnight and this morning I got the white screen and hard lockup just surfing the net. I sedated my system and removed the video card (XFX R9 280X) and its now resting comfortably, using integrated video chip on the mobo.
Examining the card I noticed one of the two fans spins freely but the other seems to have a lot of resistance to spinning.
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yes, a fan failure will lead to overheating, will crash card.
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Sounds like the memory of your video card has fried.
That's the con-side of silent fans, you won't notice that they've stopped especially with earphones on.
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Interesting, I WAS wearing a headset last night which I rarely do.
I have been experiencing quite a bit of fan noise, and had decided its my power supply fan. I've been running with the sides off the case to help find where the fan noise is coming from.
Probably an OK time to replace a card, with Black Friday upcoming and all.
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For future use, an easy way to find out which fan makes the noise, try stopping them one at a time by gently pressing the center of each fan. When the noise stops, you've found the faulty one. De-dusting is another recommendable maintenance task.
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For future use, an easy way to find out which fan makes the noise, try stopping them one at a time by gently pressing the center of each fan. When the noise stops, you've found the faulty one. De-dusting is another recommendable maintenance task.
Yes, that's basically how I decided it was the power supply's fan that was making the noise. However I remained suspicious about the vidcard's fans, and turns out one of them did go.
I periodically take my computer case's sides off and blow it out with a shop vac hose - it spins the fans up very fast and blows out alot of dust. I don't *think* that should be hard on them, the power is off after all, and they spin freely.
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Yes, that's basically how I decided it was the power supply's fan that was making the noise. However I remained suspicious about the vidcard's fans, and turns out one of them did go.
I periodically take my computer case's sides off and blow it out with a shop vac hose - it spins the fans up very fast and blows out alot of dust. I don't *think* that should be hard on them, the power is off after all, and they spin freely.
Oh no, that is very hard on the fans. Always tape the fans so they will not spin up when blowing out the computer case. The bearing and support for the fan blade are designed for a specific RPM range. Most of them use a sleeve bearing, which will wear and distort very badly if you push the fan blade at high speeds.
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Umm... if you make your fans spin very fast with a blower there's two issues.
First, if you make them spin faster than designed you'll kill the lubrication of the bearings by excess heat. And then of course the bearings will die because you've burned the lubricant off.
Second, if you make any kind of an electric motor spin by other means than electricity, the motor turns into a power generator pushing electricity backwards into the system. Again, excessive speed may produce more power than your system can handle. I bet you haven't unplugged the fans during the cleaning process...
[Edit] Skuzzy the Lightning Finger was faster again :salute
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Oh no, that is very hard on the fans. Always tape the fans so they will not spin up when blowing out the computer case. The bearing and support for the fan blade are designed for a specific RPM range. Most of them use a sleeve bearing, which will wear and distort very badly if you push the fan blade at high speeds.
Oh man, I've always been pushing them hard then! The rear case fan and the CPU heat sink fan always took the brunt of the air stream; the power supply, front case, and video card fans were more indirectly hit. Thanks for the tip.
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Umm... if you make your fans spin very fast with a blower there's two issues.
First, if you make them spin faster than designed you'll kill the lubrication of the bearings by excess heat. And then of course the bearings will die because you've burned the lubricant off.
Second, if you make any kind of an electric motor spin by other means than electricity, the motor turns into a power generator pushing electricity backwards into the system. Again, excessive speed may produce more power than your system can handle. I bet you haven't unplugged the fans during the cleaning process...
[Edit] Skuzzy the Lightning Finger was faster again :salute
Oh dear, I never unplugged the fans, and never thought about them being turned into mini-generators, but can imagine that's not good for the motherboard circuitry. Will definitely take precautions in the future to ensure the fan blades don't spin.
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Oboe, I had a problem with my 6950 recently with lockups and the white banded screen all of a sudden. I tracked mine to the HDMI cable not being seated properly due to looking at other things around the PC case.
Silly I know but I thought mine was a goner too.
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Interesting, I WAS wearing a headset last night which I rarely do.
I have been experiencing quite a bit of fan noise, and had decided its my power supply fan. I've been running with the sides off the case to help find where the fan noise is coming from.
Probably an OK time to replace a card, with Black Friday upcoming and all.
I'm very bad at fan maintenance. everytime my fans got noisy was because they were filthy and the bearings dry out in the dust eventually freezing. some vid cards you can replace a fan.....................
also opening the case may help but it should be kept closed so air patterns can happen efficiently. control of air flow and its direction can be very beneficial.
:salute
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Oboe, I had a problem with my 6950 recently with lockups and the white banded screen all of a sudden. I tracked mine to the HDMI cable not being seated properly due to looking at other things around the PC case.
Silly I know but I thought mine was a goner too.
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Thanks Drano, I will check into this. Not sure how the cable may have been unseated but you never know, and it also matches the fact that I wasn't seeing high temps on the vidcard monitor.
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I periodically take my computer case's sides off and blow it out with a shop vac hose - it spins the fans up very fast and blows out alot of dust. I don't *think* that should be hard on them, the power is off after all, and they spin freely.
I did the same thin once. Now I hold the fans so they wont spin. Live and learn. :old:
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Hint: Some fans can be lubricated! Detach the fan, and if there's a sticker or a rubber plug or both on the back side, a drop of sewing machine oil at the end of the axle can do wonders. Caution: Don't use WD-40, CRC 5-56, lock oil or any other ultra thin stuff! They'll flush away the last drop of grease from the bearing and it will die with howling like a banshee. Knowledge by experience here...
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Thanks Drano, I will check into this. Not sure how the cable may have been unseated but you never know, and it also matches the fact that I wasn't seeing high temps on the vidcard monitor.
This may have been the problem! I opened help ticket at XFX, and followed their suggestion of using DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) from Guru3D to remove all the drivers, then reinstall the latest non-WHQL drivers and rebooted. In the meantime, when I re-installed the card I used a VGA cable with a DVI-adapter to go from the card's DVI output to the monitor instead of an HDMI cable. Seems to work OK, I have been able to run AH3 and still getting FPS of 100+ away from clutter at default settings and 4096 texture size.
I shut down and switched back to the HDMI cable (I *think* I'm seeing a slightly better image using HDMI - more contrast or deeper colors, I swear) and again logged into AH3 offline and flew around a bit. GPU temp hits almost 70C and the fan(s) indicate about 70%. Normal GPU temp is about 52C with fans at 40%.
Thanks all for your help and a special shout-out to Drano! Not sure how the HDMI cable may have come unseated; when I disconnected the cable and removed the card I did not notice any looseness at the connections.
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Hope that nails it down. I was pulling my hair out over mine. I have it overclocked a ton and when this would happen to me--totally at random--my in-game temps were always around or under 70. Took me a while to look behind the PC as I hadn't been messing with anything back there. But I HAD moved the case itself around a couple of times. Might be worth a post-it on the monitor! Check HDMI cable!
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I use the arctic cooling fans, if and when I need to replace the stock coolers. The operation can be a little delicate (especially for my fat fingers), but if you can build a system you can do this.
They even have a custom one for your card (should you ever have the need).
https://www.arctic.ac/us_en/accelero-xtreme-iv-280-x.html
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I use the arctic cooling fans, if and when I need to replace the stock coolers. The operation can be a little delicate (especially for my fat fingers), but if you can build a system you can do this.
https://www.arctic.ac/us_en/accelero-xtreme-iv-280-x.html
This helps cooling quite a lot, arctic cooling fans are really good.
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Oboe,
Something to look at using (if you are not already) is an app to 1)monitor GPU temp and fan speed and 2) control/set a manual profile for your GPU fans.
I have mine set to just below the loud stage for normal operations (you have to play with it some to find what setting that is for your card), and then the fan RPM starts ramping up rapidly (I fly with headphones so don't care about fan noise)..found it keeps my GPU about 15 C cooler that way.
Some food for thought.
Dobs
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I use Aida64 to monitor everything and have a Logitech keyboard with a display that supports that so I have stuff like temps, voltage, loads, etc., up all the time.
I use MSI Afterburner for the video card. There's a tab there where you can make a custom fan curve in regards to speed vs temp. Handy.
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I use the arctic cooling fans, if and when I need to replace the stock coolers. The operation can be a little delicate (especially for my fat fingers), but if you can build a system you can do this.
They even have a custom one for your card (should you ever have the need).
https://www.arctic.ac/us_en/accelero-xtreme-iv-280-x.html
This helps cooling quite a lot, arctic cooling fans are really good.
Would you all trust their CPU coolers?
I'm looking at their 'Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2' over a CYRORIG H7 for the I5-6600k that I want to get. Their case fans are pretty cheap, too. Any experience with either?
Respectively,
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VRPfrH/arctic-cooling-cpu-cooler-freezer7prorev2
and
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7
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This is my "go to" CPU cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608045
The Noctua fans are the quietest fans I have ever used.
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One of the reasons that I went with my MSI card was the cooler on it. I like to overclock my stuff so I'm looking at cooling as part of the plan. The twin frozr coolers on the MSI cards are far superior to the stock squirrel cage types. Other brands do a good job too but be looking at multiple fans with some type of multiple heat pipes. The Arctic coolers would be another level above, but if you aren't going to overclock I'd spend the money on another component.
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This is my "go to" CPU cooler. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608045
The Noctua fans are the quietest fans I have ever used.
That cooler looks friggin' sweet, but I'm alright biting my nails on my super-gaming-budget/deployment money rig of 1500 dollars :D
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/eskimojoe4269/saved/#view=CDnLkL
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This is a slightly smaller version for less money. I have used it as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9PV3YE9689&cm_re=noctua_nh-d14-_-35-608-018-_-Product
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I'll have to put both of those on my Black Friday watch list. Thanks for the recommendation, Skuzzy :cheers:
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I like this guy for my CPU cooler. Works great, looks great and is a couple bucks cheaper.
And it cleared my memory sticks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=n82e16835118074
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186058
This one I own and have used it for the last 4+yrs until I went w\ a Corsair H80i V2 AIO cooler when I upgraded from my X79 platform to my current X99 platform.
This Arctic Freezer CPU HSF is a very solid performer and does the job w\o a lot of fan noise to boot.
Hope this helps you out.
PS---You will need to use LP mem modules if you do consider to use this HSF as it does sit very low off the CPU.
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Well, looks like that lasted a little over a month. Can't stay in AH more then a few minutes before fullscreen lockup with pale colored vertical bands. Have to hold the power button to reboot, and then when it comes to the mobo splash screen, there are still a few vertical bands on that, different colored and not the full screen - but definitely something amiss. Disconnected the HDMI cable and went bakc to VGA with a DVI adapter and it still occurs. Not immediately, but I dont sit OTR looking at the plane for more than a few minutes before it crashes.
I removed the card and am using the integrated video chip atm.
I almost suspect my power supply - its a Corsair CX750M, which I picked up locally from BestBuy after all my parts came and the R9 280X packaging said the minimum required power supply was a 750W. I think I had ordered a smaller Seasonic or eVGA with all the parts and ended up returning it and getting a new PS locally because I was in a hurry.
Thinking about a ordering a GTX 1060 or RX 480, and a new power supply. The 280X is fine for AH3 but I like the lower power requirements of the newer cards, plus I'd like to get something that can handle some of the other games out easily.
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Artifacts during boot are definitely a sign of a hardware issue. My previous video card had those right from the start, DOA.
I, too, like the idea of more video power for less power usage. Any 1050 users here? That might fit my budget better than the 1060 which I would like to have.
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Sounds like the video card is going bad. That power supply is made by Channel Well Technology. They are considered only so-so and are used to make value priced power supplies. I would not own one.