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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MANDOBLE on June 26, 2000, 12:24:00 PM
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87/1 Just impressive!!!
Congrats and WTG Ypsilon!
(Hope you fly for the rooks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
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"To engage, and disengage, at will, is to have won half the battle..."
I.E. if you have an A/C that can out run, and get you out of danger, you already have an advantage over the enemy. The other half comes from skill to kill the opponent without getting yourself killed, evidently he carries those qualities!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
"To engage, and disengage, at will, is to have won half the battle..."
Well, the topic is just "Top P51 pilot", not "Top anything pilot"...
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The most impressive score had Fishu in the beta tour 2:
Fishu has 347 kills and has been killed 0 times.
And most of his victories he scored flying FW-190A8:
Fishu has 278 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Fw 190A-8.
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How's that for a score, Hartmann? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
WTG Fishu!
Camo
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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
www.muodos.fi/LLv34 (http://www.muodos.fi/LLv34)
Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Was that while we still had the "volcano bug?"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fishu has 347 kills and has been killed 0 times
And most of his victories he scored flying FW-190A8:
Fishu has 278 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Fw 190A-8
SIGH!! I'm a Fw190 dweeb! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LOL.. well thats one way to fly a pony or a butcher bird. Heluva job that. <S!>
But on the other hand... are they really havin fun??
Hangtime has 3877 smiles and 1596 aw-shits in the P51B.
I'm havin a blast. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hnag
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Originally posted by Toad:
Was that while we still had the "volcano bug?"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Even though thats a joke, I can guarantee that kills were done with hard flying and kicking of fire trigger... and hard running on the deck with multiple opponents chasing me and me screamin like girl in the cockpit.
*edits message* found a screenshot! found also something else that might ruin the fun of P-51 fliers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
and also screenshot where I lost wingtip for B-17 during that one tour, but landed safely.
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/fishu/twoinone.jpg)
Tip gone, but who cares and one way to get behind my 6 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Get on mplayer so I can whoop ur bellybutton in RS fish. ;p the zone blows.
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WTG Fishu !!
What I admire most is the thing you are not an opportunist who grabs a P 51D as the most survivable plane. Racking that K/D in 190A-8 is awesome ! I can only imagine that K/D if you had the Dora there.
190 "fans" should think of that next time they grab P 51, Typhoon or cannon Hog.
Best pilots are always Luftwaffe and you prove it. Because they stick to their planes, no matter how good the opposition is.
No wonder they keep the 262 away (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 06-27-2000).]
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In 10 years I've read alot of fodder on these boards, however, this little tidbit of crappola wins the I'm Fulla Crappolla Trophy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
"Best pilots are always LW....because they stick to their planes"....stop it....please!
If thats the qualifier for being the best pilot, I know some old farts flying this sim that deserve that honor, and they aint flyin German Vermin.
Cyas Up Hristo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
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"I can only imagine that K/D if you had the Dora there."
What?..you mean it would have been bigger than infinity? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Fishu was exceedingly good in 190 in early beta. Especially good at choosing victims. I watched him frequently and he rarely tangled one on one. Usually trailed low fights from on high and shot down tail end charlies. I doubt he could hold a candle to his previous record in todays AH.
Still a remarkable beta performance that deserves salutations!.
<S> Fishu.
Come back and lets have a shot at you!
Yeager
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Fishu was exceedingly good in 190 in early beta. Especially good at choosing victims. I watched him frequently and he rarely tangled one on one. Usually trailed low fights from on high and shot down tail end charlies. I doubt he could hold a candle to his previous record in todays AH.
Still a remarkable beta performance that deserves salutations!.
<S> Fishu.
Come back and lets have a shot at you!
Yeager
I did 1 on 1, and I did not steal kills or really kill any tailess planes etc.
I actually let many often go ditch/land their badly wounded planes.
Even empty C-47s, I liked to scare toejam out of their pilots all the way to their home :P
But I never wanted to join into fights with lots of enemies and friendlies somewhere near the edge of hell.
I take 1 on 1s yes, but I do observe my situation in that area very carefully before getting stuck for longer time..
its not good if friendlies are way back and there are possible few enemies within couple miles, that can help their buddy out in no time.
I didn't either like to climb 30k, like some guys.. specially fariz, the spitfrie dweeb (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(18-25k was my cruising alts, over 22k only if I felt area having few high enemies)
About Dawn of Aces, there I did not fear go 4 on 1 at all, because I had very good chance to kill them all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (DVa rules!)
Then to that dora question.. I don't really like dora that much, cant do that much maneuvers as in wuergers. (I like extreme maneuvers)
One good fearless spitfrie pilot there is who i dont say as spitfrie dweeb, is By-tor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
then one non dweeb stang pilot is Camel, he will take P-51 quite far in maneuvers.
had few good fights with both of them.
Then still to third thing, I don't fly german planes just because their german, but because they need some learning, unlike their allie counterparts (except P-47, which i like)
Ps. I like to fly less potential planes, because it is enjoyament after you learn to fly one in its extreme limits. (read; learn to maneuver it as good as possible in it)
(i get bored quickly anyway, so tougher planes to learn has longer new stuff to learn)
(hmm... did i write too much?)
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Get on mplayer so I can whoop ur bellybutton in RS fish. ;p the zone blows.
Bah, Mplayer is bugging (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (yes yes, zone bugs too, but mplayer bugs more!)
Ps. I dont play regular RS at all anymore, I have that World War 2 mod to work on!
(http://www.kolumbus.fi/fishu/render/garand.jpg)
M1 Garand
[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Originally posted by Rude:
In 10 years I've read alot of fodder on these boards, however, this little tidbit of crappola wins the I'm Fulla Crappolla Trophy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
"Best pilots are always LW....because they stick to their planes"....stop it....please!
If thats the qualifier for being the best pilot, I know some old farts flying this sim that deserve that honor, and they aint flyin German Vermin.
Cyas Up Hristo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
Rude, match that score and I will believe you. Have fun trying (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You need another 10 years maybe ? Just don't give us the "it is no fun flying like that" excuses.
In fact, I feel offended by your crap statement. How about a duel ?
I will reopen my account just to kick some cowardly Pony butt. In G-10, of course (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Oh My (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fishu,
Are you currently flying this game? If so, what handle(s) are you using? I see no scores for "Fishu" in Tours 1-5.
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Hristo,
I remain convinced that your original statement was silly.
Sorry if I offended you..not meant as personal.
A duel?
I fly the 51 the way I want to fly it...it has never concerned me in the least what others have to say about it, and I dont intend to start caring now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As far as my response to your post, it had nothing to do with anyone else's accomplishments, just your goofy remark about the best pilots are LW because they stick to the same plane. I suppose only LW pilots fly the same plane and no one else in the arena? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Perhaps I misunderstood and you can shed some light on your comment so that a simple minded one like myself can understand (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
A duel?
Rude Out!
[This message has been edited by Rude (edited 06-27-2000).]
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A duel then. This weekend.
After flying WB HTH duels and AH for months, I am under the impression that the best pilots I saw flew Luftwaffe planes. They are the main factor which makes Luftwaffe planes competitive.
Allied pilots are just bunch of opportunists. IF you do not believe it, put them in 109 or 190 and see how they do.
Enough said !
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Oh My..
(Hang slowly pulls off gauntlet, eyeballs Hristo with an evil grin) *WHAP* (tosses used gauntlet upon the ground)
I gotta get a piece of this. Count me in Hristo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My pony vs yer g10. Navy Duel. Level co-alt pass; 10k at merge, guns cold; then fights on. Best of 5. If I lose; I fly a g10 for tour 6. If you lose; you fly a pony tour 6.
Duel in main arena.. lets let the ALL folks have a looksee at this. Film required. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now pick up the gauntlet or get lost. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Hang
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I accept your challenge.
We have a nice place for you in Stalag 1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The most important score to me is the squad kill to death. That is what we work on in the Storm Crows.
The first time I saw a pilot pass on saving a squad mate to land a kill would be the last time I flew with him.
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This i gotta see!
I challenged hang to a duel and lost, but it was a close one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Next time you won't be so lucky! Good luck hristo, even tho im leaning toward no longer luftwabbling (flyin the jugster)
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Configuring my stick and files back.
Will be back when ready.
I have one request though, please. Can we use HTH ? I really mind paying 30$ for a duel.
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I have one request though, please. Can we use HTH ? I really mind paying 30$ for a duel.
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LOL...
Hang, dont cut Hristo any slack.
Im sure more than 8 folks will wanna see this!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Zigrat step away from the Jug!
You have not been properly deloused since your last LW sortie!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Besides, I want her all to myself (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Yeager:
Hang, dont cut Hristo any slack.
Im sure more than 8 folks will wanna see this!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nah, we will be filming the duel. Besides, I get nervous when others are watching (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I saw an old, 50,s, movie poster the other day. It had a scantily clad girl, hand to mouth, fleeing from some monster. Im pretty sure she was the top P51 driver.
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easymo thats the best post you have ever made
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hang...thanks,bud, you have solved my doubts for flying in bishland or rookland...I'll fly bishcuit country as in Tour6 you'll be flying G10 always...and I must see it!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hristo is one of the best, if not the best, duel pilot all around and G10 is the ultimate plane to make enemy planes hang in prop in a rope a dope.
Sorry Hang, but I think you will regret your challenge (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). you have challenged Hartmann's reencarnation (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Mind you that this is Fishu who got that VERY impressive score. The same Fishu that doesn't play because the Allied aircraft are all fly by wire, over modeled dweeb-craft while the German fighters are all massively undermodeled. Nearly everytime I see a comment by him, it is a snide remark in a thread about an Allied aircraft to the effect of insinuating that those of us who fly Allied are all cheating.
So my question to Fishu, given that you have personally demonstrated supreme skill and survivability in German aircraft, would be this: In what specific way are Allied aircraft overmodeled and German aircraft undermodeled?
Based on the current scores and feats such as your own, they seem to be fully competitive within the current planeset.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by Hristo:
I have one request though, please. Can we use HTH ? I really mind paying 30$ for a duel.
Heck, let's make this interesting.
Why doesn't the loser pay for the other guy's account for a month?
Or, since Hristo has the better accelerating, better climbing, cannon-armed aircraft, how bout some odds?
I'd be willing to wager Hristo $30 if given decent odds to account for the 109's superiority in this particular duel scenario.
That way, when he wins, I'd be paying his way for a month and he wouldn't be out a thing.
Just thought I'd toss a gallon of 150 octane on the campfire.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Or, since Hristo has the better accelerating, better climbing, cannon-armed aircraft, how bout some odds?
I really hope that you arent saying that G10 has better weapons than P51...becausse I trade 6x50cals for G10's weapons anytime.
And while G10 climbs and accelerates very well, P51 has many things to show too.
Toad the challenge was done, and accepted. The conditions were accepted by both sides. I think that a H2H arena duel is perfectly available as the film can be posted here.No need for a public show if one of the 2 pilots has no account...and hristo right now hasnt.
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Egos and spedos when will it ever end..
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Ehh, Toad, why do you make me feel like a cheater ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I haven't flown AH for almost a month now. Is that against the odds enough for you ?
G-10 is better accelerator and climber. P 51 has in fact lower wingloading in light configuration, all in all better control harmony and dive. Which of these things can be successfully used in a duel, remains to be seen.
As for paying 30$, I will make myself clear. I only opened an account for this duel. Right now I can't play AH for quite a considerable time : not because there is something wrong with the game, but because I have other obligations.
And yes, Luftwaffe pilots are the best.
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Hristo why dont you mail HTC asking for permission to open a trial account? make clear you only want it for one day to make the duel and they may say yes.
Try it, 30$ is a lot of money to waste in an one day duel.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Ram:
I believe the G10 has a choice of gun packages. Hristo can load a single centerline 20mm or a single centerline 30mm and he can add a pair of gondola 20 mm's to either of those. I doubt anyone would argue that cannons are a major advantage in AH. So, yes, I would say there are definitely SUPERIOR gun packages available for the G10 versus the P-51.
However, these packages do come with other performance penalties so his choice will depend on the type of fight Hristo plans to use, won't it? But the G10 clearly has better gun packages available to it than the P-51 does.
As for performance, the AH graphs show the following at 10K as specified in the duel challenge (I don't know the gun config for these numbers, however):
P-51 TAS 405
G10 TAS 405
P-51 WEP ROC 3100 FPM
G10 WEP ROC 4500 FPM
The difference in accleration is undocumented but I doubt there are many folks that would argue that AH's P-51 will significantly out-accelerate a G-10 in just about any circumstance.
As to terms...
Originally posted by Hangtime:
Oh My..
My pony vs yer g10. Navy Duel. Level co-alt pass; 10k at merge, guns cold; then fights on. Best of 5. If I lose; I fly a g10 for tour 6. If you lose; you fly a pony tour 6.
Duel in main arena.. lets let the ALL folks have a looksee at this. Film required. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now pick up the gauntlet or get lost. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Hang
You will note, RAM, that the original offer was in the MAIN ARENA. Hristo's first acceptance was unconditional..he accepted these terms in the very next post.
Later he mentioned the $30. I'm just trying to make it totally painless for him. He's going to win hands down, right?
So I'll be paying his way the whole month.
...and I don't mind doing that at all. He's a class act and nice to have in the arena.
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Toad, On the subject of 109 load outs, Only a moron is gonna take a 30mm in his load out. This cannon was made for buff killing, Not dogfighting, and rate of fire and velocity both suffer. The 20mm is the best way top go, but again, the 20mm and 2 MGs are a lite load out, where as 6 .50 cals are a very strong load. You gotta get in close for the cannon(s) to do anything, hisorically, where the spray and pray of the 50 cals works wonders.
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John "HEDU" Babarovich,JG26, Warbirds
Dedicated Bf109 driver
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Are you guys sure about this duel ?
Hangtime in G-10 is the last thing I want to see on my 6 o'clock (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm with Hedu. Only a stupid would load gondolas in a H2H duel. that things kill the climbrate and rollrate of the 109...and you are cutting his wings.
A 30mm is available but again weights more and is not good for a close fight. I am quite sure he'll load a single 20mm
And 1x20mm 2x13mm is much weaker than 6x50cals.
About who will win? I place mu bets on him. I saw him flying that 109. I saw Hang flying P51. I admire both. But the only previous engagement I remember ended in a 3-0 kill for Hristos, even when hang bounced him from much higher last fight. I studied those fights as the fighter bible and if I are now here and I know what I do is mostly because what I learnt from those films.
I fully respect Hangtime as one of the best pilots in Aces High. but I simply think that hristo is better.
<S!> to both.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Toad, if it ever comes to subscribing, I am able to cover the costs. No need for your help, thank you.
Now Hang, when do we meet ?
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Quotes by Hristo:
"Best pilots are always Luftwaffe and you prove it."
"And yes, Luftwaffe pilots are the best."
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Now there`s an intelligent statement (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
How old are you?
Are there very good LW pilots in these sims? Yes
Are there very good Allied pilots in these sims? Yes
Same goes for real life. Get a grip.
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Mavric ~ X.O.
WB 325th FG
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Mavric , calm down and dont misinterpret his words. If you read again the posts you will see that he says that In AH LW pilots are best all around pilots than allied iron pilots. And I must agree.
Why?...well most of us have been fighting in a flying brick, Fw190A8 (I love that brick so much that I still fly it even with A5 here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)). others flew 109 G2 and G10.
LW planes are Specialized planes with SERIOUS drawbacks but with some excellent advantages that make up for the drawbacks. In A8 advantages are rollrate and firepower, mixed with a moderately good E-keeping at high speeds. Drawbacks are very hi wingloading that makes it turn horrible when slow, average acceleration and very bad climbrate. If you learn to fly an A8 in the defensive I bet you that you can fly any plane here with no problem.
g2 and G10 have their drawbacks on hispeed controll stiffening and ligtht weapons. G10 has a damned wingloading but can run like hell. G2 has much better wingloading but cant run as G10.
As you can see they are always a compromise between advantages and disadvantages.
Allied planes are more on the side of the all around qualities. Spitfire is a very good example of this. P38 too. P51 while better suited for BnZ has still better wingloading than Fw190A8 or 109G10, plus it has combat flaps. F4U is not that all around plane, is the only exception...but a F4U handles like a Fw190A8, with better turn but worse acceleration...and equal rollrate.
What do I mean with this?...put an allied plane pilot in a 109G10 and he will be lost. put an allied plane in a Fw190A8 and he will eat dust. Put a Fw190A8 pilot in a P51 and see how he behaves...or in a P38...or in a spitfire...
A pilot can be WONDERFUL in a plane. Hangtime is for me one of the top sticks here. but if (when (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) he loses the challenge and is forced to fly the G10 he will be in a serious trouble for the first days.
If(no way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)) Hristo loses the challenge , when he gets a p51 he will rock from the very start, with only a minutes of adaptation.
I know what I am talking for because I do fly Fw190A8 in the MA, but in the duel ladder fights my favorite rides are the C202,La5 and the SpitIX...(I dont get the spit too much because my reputation would suffer (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
Hope you get my point here. No insult intended but LW pilots are better all around pilots than Allied, because we are forced so by our planes. With 190A5 this has changed a bit but as I said I fly A8 a lot still...
Of course I talk as a whole. I suck in AH...but thats another story (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-27-2000).]
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Hristo you silly person. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
"Best pilots are always Luftwaffe and you prove it."
Fishu was a good pilot, according to the scores. I never tangled with him personally. You were also a good pilot, but you seem to have left the flying community.
But to say the best pilots are always Luftwaffe, it was probably a true statement in real life. But in sims, hell no. The "best" pilots fly all kinds of planes.
"Allied pilots are just bunch of opportunists."
You know that's not true. I flew with JG 5 for a long time. Now I lead an RAF unit. You think I made this choice so I could boost my personal score? So I could fly this 1942 RAF plane set against the 1944 USA and Axis plane set? Your statement is ridiculous.
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Man...out makin a living and look what happens (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hristo...I never duel...I never have dueled...I dont turn fight the 51....I accept your silly challenge and sure hope you can back it up.
How silly you will look if a sissy 51 jock like myself takes you to school...me, I should lose bein that you are the superior Luftwafaberry person that you are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up Tough Guy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
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Originally posted by Toad:
Fishu,
Are you currently flying this game? If so, what handle(s) are you using? I see no scores for "Fishu" in Tours 1-5.
I turned over to rogue spear when I got bored of nothing new to learn and routine killing.
...and also those few funny glitches in plane models, seems like german planes gets often some 'fair' disadvantages, so that allied customers may have more fun.
I've also heard rumour of .50 cal being now very effective, when 20mm is a toy.
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BTW Ypsilon...
Congrats on a great Tour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
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Originally posted by Karnak:
In what specific way are Allied aircraft overmodeled and German aircraft undermodeled?
Let's browse some history..
P-51 was once a plane that did not stall properly and was quite light.
Spitfire had once awesome high altitude performance.
P-51 had couple other issues too that i dont right now remember, hmm..
Bf109 had in one version wep missing or something that caused it to lose alot of speed (i tested it and they fixed it, thank god)
Bf109 also had once so hard torque that auto pilot did not keep it flying straight without about 180mph or so.
Bf109 had very long time belly landings near to impossible when compared to other planes that could have pointed nose down for a belly landing without blowing up.
F4U is said to have very bad torque, "Ensign eliminator", but I really havent seen that, its quite easy to fly and torque is barely noticable, while in BF109 it rolls over the plane easily. (alot easier compared to F4U)
First takeoff with F4u was like taking off in a P-38 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (wheres the torque, which ive heard so much of!)
So, it seems that there flips alot downgrading glitches for german planes, and more those bonus glitches for allied.
Currently Fw 190A-5 is missing 20mph from its top speed, at least what I've read.. (405mph for A-8, 420-425mph depending on source for A-5)
I made offline test, i barely got 415mph with WEP, without, 395mph was about there. (20k/22.5k)
and there were many other issues too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
man, they went to upgrade .50 cals, and I had no problem shooting +6 fighters per flight in P-51, cold blooded, with one snap/burst shot! (even scoring kills with 2 remaining .50 calibers after 4 used up all ammo, were no problemo)
I remember the sortie in Spitfire when I killed like 21-24 fighters on a strafing sortie, only needed 1-2 shots of 20mm and I could have said for sure that guy is dead now. (last kill, i had 2 cannon shots left, guy was too close for my convergence, i hit his engine, he crashed due to stall without engine power)
I did that same once with Bf109G-10, 13 kills, I had to hit alot more with MG151/20 than with Hispano. (I know I know, Hispanos are better, but not THAT much better I figure)
Sorry about this long story, but karnak requested for it.. erhm.
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Originally posted by Toad:
Ram:
So, yes, I would say there are definitely SUPERIOR gun packages available for the G10 versus the P-51.
Give me 4x.50cal for my Bf109 anyday, ill take it!
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Lordy Hristo... we have a duel!
Hristo.. damn glad to have you back amongst us. And I'm itching to get another crack at yah.. this time in a level fight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
This weekend anytime were both likely to be awake is fine and if I'm breathin, I'm likely flying in the MA... Just say when yer on.
RAM.. I have those tapes of our previous duel.. yes; I had an alt advantage on the firt merge; but he had a massive E advantage... and I had NO idea who that was I was tangoing with till my head got handed to me at the end of the first fight. The next two engagements were Hristo's advantage all the way... alt and E. In addition; this was beta three.. and the G10 was still un-neutered; the stang having already been gelded.
This time around all the cards will be on the table.. Hristo has a better plane for the fight at the altitude selected; and the pony has an edge in the guns.. tho to be truthful with the snapshot opportunuites likley to be presented; Hristo will again have the edge as it's doubtful indeed I'll get saddled up for a tracking shot.
Speed advantages are nil.. this will be an in-your-face dogfight; and I doubt either one of us will be running very far at all... unless it's just down to the deck for the final decison. I expect a hard fight; mostly in the vertical; with e management and gunnery being the main factor in determining the victor.. the planes are very good historical matches for one another. Again; I'd say the G10 has then overall edge.. it can climb like a mo-fo at 10k.
Hristo.. Minor point.. accceptance of the duel indicates acceptance of conditions... all conditions. This includes location; and penalties for loss... and folks; I am NOT looking forward to driving that lousy ugly pockmarked crude crate of crummy curses in tour six.. but I will if I lose. And Hristo... I do much better under pressure. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Gents.. I'll ask that the grid we meet in be CLEARED; no fighter a/c of any type will be allowed within vis range. Two 'seconds' from either squad will be allowed in the grid to enforce this.. anybody wandering too close to the duel will be summarily executed by the seconds. The four nominated 'seconds' will cooperate in this. I do not wish for Hristo to be un-necessarily nervous; however, to keep it on the up-and-up; I do insist on the duel being held in the MA.. it's where I fly, and where I'd rather die. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bookmaking... I nominate Yankee to hold all bets if she's willing. I suspect she can be reached at HTC during normal working hours. Winners must forfit 10% to the Vetrans Association of their choice.
Good luck Hristo!
SALUTE!
Hang
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Fishu:
"Currently Fw 190A-5 is missing 20mph from its top speed, at least what I've read.."
The most I have seen is 415 mph from a US Navy source. RLM, Fw, USAAF are all in the 400 to 410 mph range. I'm pretty sure I've got more 190 data than you.
As for your other comments, I think they show that you haven't played since beta.
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Originally posted by funked:
Fishu was a good pilot, according to the scores. I never tangled with him personally. You were also a good pilot, but you seem to have left the flying community.
B]
I think we have fought together, I've been doing alot kills under other couple other names tho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
The most I have seen is 415 mph from a US Navy source. RLM, Fw, USAAF are all in the 400 to 410 mph range. I'm pretty sure I've got more 190 data than you.
its top speed, at least what I've read.."
As for your other comments, I think they show that you haven't played since beta.
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I did play 1.2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I don't have just one source, I've been years into WW2 fighters.. ehm.
I might not have part serial #'s etc. but I know basics at least.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
I turned over to rogue spear when I got bored of nothing new to learn and routine killing.
...and also those few funny glitches in plane models, seems like german planes gets often some 'fair' disadvantages, so that allied customers may have more fun.
I've also heard rumour of .50 cal being now very effective, when 20mm is a toy.
You quit Aces High when it went pay. No? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm also a 109/190 guy and threads like this one are where people pick up all the insulting ammo to hurl at us LW types.
I have learned over a while, the best way to approach a duel is to downplay your skills at dueling. Let the other guy think he's gonna win, then kick the living snot out of him in the duel. It really sends a blow to their ego. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) When you give your After Action Report, compliment the other fella courteously for the skill he has shown.
Trust me, this is a much better way to gain respect from your fella pilots. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Aircraft performance considerations aside, I will still maintain that the G10 has more leathal gun packages available than the P51. That's what I said originally and I still believe it to be true, from a strict leathality point of view.
Fishu, are you flying now? If so, under what names? Or do you have something to hide?
As good as you apparently are, one would think there'd be no need to fly under an alias.
Hristo, on this "best pilot" stuff are you saying that the best pilots only fly one aircraft or are you saying that the best pilots only fly one LW aircraft?
There's many guys that fly only one type. Not all of those fly LW. So where are you coming down on this?
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Fishu, if you have a source for a 420 mph speed on any Fw 190A, I'd love to know what it is.
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Karnak.
You really have to give the 190A8 and the 109G6 a trial in the MA. Its hard to explain.
I know that you do not want too fly either plane and why. But it is really hard to explain how much easier the Spit IX in particular is to fly. It was definaltly easier to fly in RL...how much is the issue that leads to hard feelings.
The other German planes are not so unforgiving as these two, and the G10 does have some real advantages to use. The 190A5 feels almost Supermarine like in its handling and stability(corse the Brit pilots that flew it comented on its great flying qualities at the time too..)
Staying away from the german planes the best bet to get a feeling for it would be a typhoon. The forthought and gentle hand you have to use to be successful with the typhy although entirly different then the german planes gives you a feeling for the challanges of flying German Iron. And it shows you the advantages of the spitfire.
If you get a 2 to 1 kill to death in the typhy you have done something. For an experiaced pilot to do that in a Spit is just a good start.
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Hmm I get the same ratio in the Tiffie and the Spit. What is wrong with me? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Thanks for replying Fishu. From what you've said, you're about the last person I'd want to meet in the air. Ouch.
I don't have any info on the speed of the Fw190A-5, but its good that they fixed the WEP problem on that one version of the 109.
Pongo, the Spitfire was renown for its ease of use and the degree to which it allowed rookie pilots to have a fighting chance at survival. I'm not claiming that what Fishu did was easy in any way. I frankly stand agast at his skill level. On Saturday I came up against Mitsu. I was flying the Spitfire IX and he was in a Niki. I lasted 5 turns and felt good about myself for holding in there that long. It also felt good to have Mitsu coment that it was a good fight. Thats my level of skill, so far below Fishu that he's not even visible to me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Pongo, you are right though, I will have to give the Fw190A-8 and Bf109G-6 some goes.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Originally posted by hblair:
You quit Aces High when it went pay. No? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I quit playing 2 days before beta end and never used my 2 weeks.
If you really like to know
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Originally posted by Toad:
Fishu, are you flying now? If so, under what names? Or do you have something to hide?
As good as you apparently are, one would think there'd be no need to fly under an alias.
Wan't to really know the reason?
okey, here it is, it is simply a score addiction.
I do too good streak, then I stuck flying cautious and I want more speed in my life.. ok, time to fly secondary account with less crackshot scores (...well, i usually make that one also count as lot of kills etc.)
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Heya Fishu!
Thanks for the kind words, always enjoyed are fights! I actualy enjoyed fighting your alter ego "####" alittle more because you took more risks giving me half a chance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Guys Fishu choose to fly his style, which was fine with me. He was equaly as deadly under any name he flew.
Also wanted to comment on the Hangtime, Hirsto fight(would love to watch this) I dont recall ever dukin it out with Hirsto, but im sure hes no sloutch. Hang on the other hand has handed me my arse more than once! I have had 2 fights that stand out in my flight sim career, 1st was a 1 on 1 against Gunjam in his 190 near the cano at f16 in WB 1.11(one of those 10 minute fights that leave you tired) 2nd was with Hang in the AH beta that covered what felt like hundreds of miles and all alts, truley thrilling!
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Guys..
Ya all forgetting one very important thing here. Style of flying!!
Fishu's style of flying the 190 or 109 is what keeps him from getting kilt. Ypsilon flys in the same manner but flys the p51.
I know both there flying styles very well, Both will not come near a con unless they have at least a 4k to 6k alt advantage. Or an enemy field is being capped & the vultch is on.
Personal choice of living & landing compared to the low furball flying & dying. Anyone can acheive the scores that Fishu has attained,but that would just bore the crap outa most of us..
I fly the p51,but i like the fight,Ive flown 190 & 109 and also go low for the fight.
Anyone can get a no death tour. And it can be done in any plane,not just the 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
One other thing, Fishu cant or wont Dogfight his ride of choice,want something new to learn.. Take it low (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Dog out....
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So why not "Fishu", "Fishu1", "Fishu2" etc?
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I turned over to rogue spear when I got bored of nothing new to learn and routine killing.
...and also those few funny glitches in plane models, seems like german planes gets often some 'fair' disadvantages, so that allied customers may have more fun.
I've also heard rumour of .50 cal being now very effective, when 20mm is a toy.
That has to be the biggest bunch of bull I've ever heard, Fishu if one day you can afford AH HTC will have to renovate the arena to fit your ego.Funny how the best AH pilots I know of never come here and post such "I'm the greatest crap"
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First off.... Congratulations Ypsilon, well done!
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LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I have so missed the Fishu - Hristo "Whine-a-Thons". At one point during the BetaTours the two of them had posted up constantly on almost every UBB thread, related or not, with the same boring 109 whine.
The 109 whine, of course, was a coaxial tangent to the "Uber" P-51D whine. This whine was also vastly enormous in proportion.
At the time I was very hungry for aircraft and skill knowledge, but all I was fed was whiney comments and cheesy remarks. To boot, Fishu was the clear leader in the nomination for the "Poster Boy" postition of the AH whiner regiment.
To say that Fishu's patience and skill however are exemplorary is no slight understatment. He is very very good and really has my respect. He is also quite knowlegable and worth paying attention too.
But... I am really proud to say that as bad as this "Allied Aircraft Fan" really was/is, Fishu never sniped me once. (And thats my story!)
Welcome back fellas! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"I kinda like it.. and the hell with the cat"
Hangtime
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Best pilots in online sims are Luftwaffe.
P 51D aces with impressive K/D will most likely switch to 262 or some other plane which will keep them alive.
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The most courageous fly the fork tailed devil. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
not the best, not the brightest.
but make no mistake.
you need balls of steel to wade into enemy fighters in a P-38
and now a moment for us: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Citabria has 500 kills and has been killed 81 times in the P-38L
I'll go for the 0 deaths next tour (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ill vouch that you need not fly luftwaffe to be a great pilot. I do fly luftwaffe, but i also don't fly it too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)What I see alot of in AH is people who only fly 1 airplane and get reeeeally good at it. I prefer to fly all planes and be mediocre at them all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) You guys should all broaden your horizons a bit, since then you can't whine about planes as much. But surely, some of the best pilots in the game are hangtime,citabria,etcera and they dont fly luftwaffe.
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This is gonna be fun, I can feel it already (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Here's some more material for you.
Toad, only an Allied pilot would think that gun package wins this duel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Plane performance yes, but gun package - no. At least not in lethality department.
Weight issues concerning gun package will be far more important than lethality.
Taking gondolas in a duel would be suicide. Taking only 4 .50 cals in P 51D would actually be a smart move.
Even if this thread has gone too far a bit, I am enjoying the antagonism and occassional flames. Shows how immersive a HA would be (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
After a month of AH apstinence, I took off in the G-10 offline. Plane has changed somewhat. On first loop I entered a vicious flat spin, something I never experienced in WB or AH 109 before. Nevertheless, I think Hang is going to have trouble trying to follow 109's E road. Unless he dives. Then it might get interesting.
The pilots who get my greatest respect are 190A-8 pilots with high K/D. Fishu is on top. I disagree with Wardog that you can fly no death tour in any plane. In P 51D you can do it easiest. In cannon Hog too. In G-10 a tad harder. But in A-8 you have to have something more than just good SA and patience.
The pilots who jump from dweeb mobile to dweeb mobile are the ones I have least respect for. Advocating A-8, flying P 51D, switching to P 38 when it was uber, A-5 and then Jug ? Rather opportunistic approach IMO.
Even though I hesitated to say this, I do not share respect for current top P 51D pilot. I won't elaborate much on it, but a hint though: find him co-E and get ready for a pleasent surprise. Quite a few P 51D pilots in AH have mastered the plane better. Act, Hangtime, Wardog are the the first that come to mind.
Still, Luftwaffe pilots are the best. The longer they are denied the Dora or 262, the more dangerous they will be once they get it. Just wait and see. A-5 was just the start (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I have more respect for P 38 pilots like Citabria. Seems to me that some of them fly the plane because it is cool, no matter how good the opposition is. Even though we had that dispute once in TA. I appologize for jumping on you there like that.
As for Spit pilots, they are the champions of silly moves, with notable exceptions. Besides, they are 109's natural enemy. HOing any and all planes from alt advantage, firing at 1000+ yards, using flat turn instead of view keys - they know it all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) You think 109 types are alt monkeys ? Wrong. It is the few smart Spit pilots I kept meeting always above me. My usual alt was 22k in G-10 and 15k in A-8. Then I met ultra high dots turning into Spits or occassional cannon Hog. All at 25-30k. But I like them in their Spits. If they switched to other planes, they might even get dangerous.
< Flame suit on >
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 06-28-2000).]
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Where's Juve???
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I think all the flamethrower artists on this thread make one thing clear - just because a pilot makes pretty numbers on the score page, it doesn't mean he is great. He may be great, but it's not the numbers that make him so.
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A great pilot is one who flies as a team and completes team goals. One who works well their wingman, their element and their squadron.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"I kinda like it.. and the hell with the cat"
Hangtime
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(Hang looks at calander... blocks out comming weekend, and puts hold on months of july; august; september; october, november and december. Looks up expectantly at Hristo)
"Well?? (smiles evily) When??"
Hang
'Engage the enemy. Not the keyboard'
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"A great pilot is one who flies as a team and completes team goals. One who works well their wingman, their element and their squadron."
Interesting???? (strokes Chin).
Me see's "I" in pilot ... Me see no "I" in team (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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OhNooo
smile awhile
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How quickly one forgets, oh...ya btw that was your duel account now wasn't it enemy err..........hristo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The difference between you and I hristo is I'm still game for the fight. When I first met you I thought what a good pilot and you were kewl guy (u emailed me that clip). What happen man, maybe you should reopen an account. Me thinks it would do you a world of good. They're ppl in MA now kicking my bellybutton around, you won't be the lonely hi 109 anymore. Come see how well you can do now it’s a blast.
http://members.home.net/torqs/films/Histro.zip (http://members.home.net/torqs/films/Histro.zip)
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 06-28-2000).]
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Originally posted by Hristo:
Toad, only an Allied pilot would think that gun package wins this duel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Plane performance yes, but gun package - no. At least not in lethality department.
Weight issues concerning gun package will be far more important than lethality.
Once again Hristo, that is not what I said or implied. I simply said the G10 has more leathal gun packages available than the P-51. Didn't recommend them, didn't suggest them...just said they were there. And they are.
I don't fly LW planes, so I don't know how much the performance would differ; don't care, either. I would expect that you do. I would expect you to take the package that you feel gives you the best chance in a duel.
Personally, I think your greatest advantage is the extra 1.4K ROC you'll get in WEP and the corresponding, unquantified acceleration advantage.
Now THERE'S some advantage.
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waaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzup!
I am Da Best MON!! I can ride Fat squeakes all nite and day and still have time to get home on time and make love to my wife!
Oh wait we not talking about sex nevermind i cant fly any plane just like to play with joystick while looking at porn site
Howwwwwwwwwwwwwwlllllllllll
http://fly.to/airwolves (http://fly.to/airwolves)
Bash
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What makes a great pilot is the coolest planes and greatest outfits (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) The rest is unimportant. TIE-Fighter pilots are way better than any of X-Wing pilots. They had alwas been.
Yes, flying against some of the AH pilots was a challenge indeed, no matter what they flew. But seeing a Luftwaffe plane with an enemy icon was always the greatest challenge to me.
I was pretty pissed at you at that time, Torque. A real bad streak. But I'd like to see you in 190A-8. How about it ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
For the record, I did not quit because of any other reasons but real life obligations.
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Hristo = Bobn = Troubl ???
If not, he sure sounds related.
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Mavric ~ X.O.
WB 325th FG
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Oops, edited this message once.
I can fly on Sunday, 3 PM GMT. How about it, Hang ?
Bring your silver opportunist plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"TIE-Fighter pilots are way better than any of X-Wing pilots. They had alwas been."
Purlease....
Mr Hristo, I point out Hoth. The Rebellion dispatched cargo ships with only 2 X-Wing fighter-bombers as escort and yet they blasted their way through TIE's and Star Destroyers.
I also point out the battle of Endor, where the "superior" TIE fighter pilots crashed into the superstructure within the second Death Star, and also didn't escape from the Death Star in time during the explosions. The X-Wing pilots, and Lando Calrissian in the Falcon (a much larger and faster ship) managed both these feats.
Finally I point to the original Death Star trench run...Who was it that managed to disable Vaders Advanced TIE....? I forget...
Oh yes it was me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And Skywalker managed to evade the Ion cannons and launch the photon torps - in an X-Wing.
So I think that I have shown that the order of best pilots goes...
1. Me.
2. Chewie.
3. Luke.
4. X-Wing pilots
5. Cloud city skyhopper pilots
6. Yoda
7. The Ewoks
8. That sarlacc thingy
9. Jabba the Hutt
10. That funny little rat thingy that Jabba had as a pet, you know the blue thing.
11. Darth Maul
12. Darth Vader
13. The Emperor - When he's old.
14. TIE pilots
Conclusive evidence I think you'll agree. :P
And I would quite like my Falcon in AH...I believe that the twin quad cannons would pack quite a punch...if correctly modelled. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hristo....
Do I get my duel, or is one butt kickin by a 51 jock gonna be enough? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude Out!
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YAHOOOOOOOOOO!! (anybody see detroit rock city??)
"I can fly on Sunday, 3 PM GMT. How about it, Hang ?"
(hang snatches tickets)
YAHOOOOOOO!!!!! I'll be in MA, aluminimum buffed up bright; guns charged, ready ta fight.
Now; wot in hell time is that here in New York??
Hang
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YAHOOOOOOOOOO!! (anybody see detroit rock city??)
"I can fly on Sunday, 3 PM GMT. How about it, Hang ?"
(hang snatches tickets)
YAHOOOOOOO!!!!! I'll be in MA, aluminimum buffed up bright; guns charged, ready ta fight.
Now; wot in hell time is that here in New York??
Hang
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Presuming that he used GMT without modifying for daylight savings, it's 9 am EDT.
Daff
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CO, 56th Fighter Group
"This is Yardstick. Follow me"
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Lets hope that Hristos not in one of those 109s that can take 89 50cal rounds.
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Rude, decide finally. Do you want to duel or no ?
But sure, I will look up for you in MA.
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Han Solo we already have the Millenium Falcon in Aces High!!!
It's called the Typhoon!
and its the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Han Solo, that is just pure propaganda crap and you know it. You are just one of those hot shot pilots that look good in the movies. You'd probably throw up all over the dashboard when confronted with a pair of TIE-fighters.
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TIE fighters with no shields = A6M
TIE defender with shields = Ki 84
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Hristo...
If ya cant beat Hang, then I wont waste my time...otherwise, I'll catch ya in the MA and we'll do a little dance. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As good as ya think ya are, Hang should be quick work.
Perhaps I'll fly that G10 myself against you...that ought to even the odds for ya a bit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up!
Rude Out!
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Originally posted by Rude:
Perhaps I'll fly that G10 myself against you...that ought to even the odds for ya a bit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Be sure you train for some time before doing it,Rude...G10 compared with P51 is a squeak to handle. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hiyas RAM (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Isnt this a silly but fun thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Im not a dueler and never have been, but sometimes you do things just for fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up!
Rude Out!
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I just cannot resist any longer.
Hristo, remember that little duel you and I had?
There was an FFA in the TA and Hristo was there whinin' about spit dweeb this, pony dweeb that... " Arrrgh... One thing lead to another and I agreed to fight Hristo 109 vs 109. Was my first time in that plane...of any variant. I remember setting up the views on the way to the merge.
This spit dweeb beat him 3-2. You may be good Hristo, and I no doubt got lucky that day...but puhleease...LW pilots are better... etc. etc. This thread is full of some of the biggest nonsense I have seen here so far.
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Luftwaffe pilots in general, Nash. Not any particular pilot.
Do not take it so seriously though.
The way I flew in TA there and then was in no way 109 should be flown. It was just training for tough situations.
Still, you were good, I admit. But a good TIE-fighter pilot can hand your bellybutton to you no problem.
Look for me in TA. The handle is Stoickov.
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LOL I knew we could drum up more customers for HTC......... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Now if we can just stick a crowbar in Fishu wallet the job would be done here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hristo is correct about loadout. I would never concider taking 6 .50s into a duel.
Keep in mind, 4 .50s can do the same job. Ive takin down a b17 with 2 .50s so i know 4 .50s are plenty for a duel.
Also, ya dont need the kill, you can piece a con out till he ditches. A ditch is a kill!
Hristo,as for flying other planes,i spent a good amount of time in the 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Some may remember the handle Typhoon that flew Rook in the Squad ( Overmodeled Uber 190s ).. yes,twas i (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I recorded same stats in the 190 as i did in the p51. Not to mention i had a lot of fun.
At one time someone was saying that the .50s sux,to weak to kill. I loaded 4 .50s and did a quik 4 kill sortie, 2 Spits, F4U-1C and a B26 got it on film and posted it to the BB..
The .50s are just fine and 4 can do the job.
Keep one other thing in mind here guys.. Dont forget to have fun..
Dog out...........
[This message has been edited by Wardog (edited 06-28-2000).]
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I am sure this may finally end up with Hristo getting sick, having a flat tire or the dog having ate the homework. I hope not but in any event since ESPN is doing the live broadcast I hope "HangTime" will not pull a Mike Tyson 1st round K.O. each merge. Please hang... cut Hristo little slack and don't make him look real bad if he does show up. You wouldn't want to upset the intire Luftwaffe... they might reconcider there rides! We wouldn't want everyone flying pony's now would we (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(http://www.geocities.com/tas13th/bbsfile/thunder.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 06-28-2000).]
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Originally posted by Wardog:
Fishu's style of flying the 190 or 109 is what keeps him from getting kilt. Ypsilon flys in the same manner but flys the p51.
One other thing, Fishu cant or wont Dogfight his ride of choice,want something new to learn.. Take it low (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I have been in many dogfights, specially under those alter egos (other handles) like Camel says.
Once I we're flying Bf109G-2 (oh those nice FAF markings!), met one spitfire, went to fight with it, then came second and third about same time and I was fightning on 3 spitfires, then came also F4u-1 and I thought to run for better fightning grounds from near by 5k enemy field.
I actually took down one of the spitfires in that mess, before I ran.
Next time I took down one more spitfire with a quick strike and run, then next one was F4u who was of course faster than me, I did reverse behind him and shoot him down.. now I had all cannon ammo used.
Then I fought on that last spitfire 1 on 1 quite low, after few turns and so on, I managed to make him smoke and rip aileron off with pair of 7.92mm, and then I chose to wait his engine to dry off, he did it eventually, at low altitude while maneuvering and crashed... by then, I had also my plane leaking but I managed to make it to the field just barely.
Talk about safe flying.
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Originally posted by Torque:
I turned over to rogue spear when I got bored of nothing new to learn and routine killing.
...and also those few funny glitches in plane models, seems like german planes gets often some 'fair' disadvantages, so that allied customers may have more fun.
I've also heard rumour of .50 cal being now very effective, when 20mm is a toy.
That has to be the biggest bunch of bull I've ever heard, Fishu if one day you can afford AH HTC will have to renovate the arena to fit your ego.Funny how the best AH pilots I know of never come here and post such "I'm the greatest crap"
You read it wrong.
What I say there is that it was routine flying for me, I didn't find anything new intresting stuff and got bored.. therefore it was routine killing.. do this and that and you will most likely end up there killing him.
I said somewhere there also that I get quickly bored with one thing, this is the one thing I got bored with, nothing new.
In flight sims, I try out every plane till I find it boring (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (if I've tried out all, then its all boring)
I Have even tried dogfightning in B-26, weren't too bad plane, just tend to break easy on the maneuvers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Minotaur:
But... I am really proud to say that as bad as this "Allied Aircraft Fan" really was/is, Fishu never sniped me once. (And thats my story!)
Are you sure you never got hit by my alter ego (another handle)? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Damn! How in the hell can half of you fit your head in the cockpit??? Must be tough when it is sooooo inflated.
And who pats ya on the back when your sleeping??
I have this many kills! Only a few deaths! I challenge you! No, I want to challenge him! Well big deal!
Spare me the grief!
Sounds like a bunch of whining Girl Scouts bragging about how many boxes of cookie they sold!!
I fly all types of aircraft and I die in everyone of them! And I am damn proud of it!
Flyin and Dying now that's the name of the game!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I guess it is whatever flips your trigger!
Here's a question: Will I end up acting like a prima dona if I fly this sim too long??
With respect, have a nice day and smile!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Kick his butt Hristo!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LOL Fishu..
I know alter egos well..
Wardog = Typhoon = Panther (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Bishop = Rook = Knight (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dog out .........
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Given the skill of the pilots I think range will be a major factor in this duel.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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LOL Swager.. I guess all this has you as amazed as it has me. I'm just in it for a good fight against a guy that has handed me my head in the past. Never expected all this.
Tho I tend to chafe at raw arraogance, Hristo at least has my respect as a skilled adversary. Truth be told, I'm just as arrogant.. I believe the P51 is a match for and can best anything ever built by the LW and am willin to put my skill and the American mindset shared by pilots of the period to the test to prove it. His position is not all that diffrent, save for perspective.. and I appreciate his willingness to provide a fight.
And; Hristo.. good luck sir. <S!>
Fishu.. the more things change.. the more they stay the same. Engage the enemy. Not the keyboard. I'm game for a fight any time you are. Same conditions. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I expect to have a blast this Sunday morning; and win or lose, I intend to give him a gawdamned good fight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
...and after all; ain't THAT why we're all here?
Hang
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Bah big deal :P I got 2500+ kills in my CL2 in 3 weeks in DOA. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Torquila (edited 06-28-2000).]
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hiay all
well another post on how good somebody is, what is best plane, what is dweeb plane.
well i will challange anybody in any plane,
i can die faster and better then any of you.
and as for you wardog, what the hell you flying for rooks for, you should be a knight.
(just a little recruiting there, sorry)
forget the challange, im not going to try and be here when somebody say to be here, i can die just as well in MA, see you all there.
wolf37
C.O.
THUNDERBIRDS
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I think Hristo should win the award for Best Troll of Tour 5. Also the Mr. Congeniality Award for laying down smack without being a complete arnoldhole. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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What we need is a good old fashioned Allied vs Axis fight in the SEA some day on the weekend. Make the guideliness simple, and pepper the thing with enough bravado, taunting, and harrassement to make things truely interesting <g>.
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I do not respect both Fishu and Hristo. When I found out that changing it from EF to 07 at the 4331:7454 will lead to twice faster plane I told them. I took their promise that they will never use it online. So what? They did, and got very good killing numbers.
I really feel ashamed of this guys, really.
I hope they at least wont say anyone about this little trick, especially bytes and address of what shall be changed.
Fariz
XII Legion.
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Yer kidding....right?
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Pardon me for sticking my WB nose in this truly epic display of chest-thumping, but I would like to say two things.
Hristo, what a nice troll. As to LW pilots being better than USAAF pilots becuase their planes are harder.....what a crock!!!
Secondly, a few months ago this "No LW is better becuase we fly crappier planes! No you're not!" thing came up on AGW in WB. The solution was somewhat simple.
A Duel. And not a duel between two pilots. Anything can happen here, a pilot can have a bad day, etc. etc. I mean a duel between those who fly American iron and the Luftwussies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Pick a date. Get 8 pilots from each side. 8 pilots in LW iron and 8 pilots in -51D's (or a couple in -47D's or -38L's if you so desire). 15K merge, guns hot. Set up a defined area so one pilot can't try to run to survive. Best 2 out of 3. Last pilot flying wins it for his team. Get more than 8 pilots so some can switch in and out.
I for one volunteer to fly for the USAAF side.
BTW, the end result in WB wasn't even close. And there are some damn good LW sticks in there.
<S> You may now resume your chest-thumping.
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Lt Col Dune
X.O. 352nd Fighter Group (http://www.352ndfightergroup.com)
"The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney"
"Credo quia absurdum est." (I believe it because it is unreasonable)
- The motto of the Republic of Baja Arizona
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
Fishu.. the more things change.. the more they stay the same. Engage the enemy. Not the keyboard. I'm game for a fight any time you are. Same conditions. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Same conditions? dont try to lie for your own benefit! you know well that I haven't been playing Aces High for last .. hmm.. 3-4 months? (well, I did try 1.2 for a bit tho)
I would need to warm up for a week first (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
(same as you would come to rogue spear: Urban operations to duel against me now! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Originally posted by Torquila:
Bah big deal :P I got 2500+ kills in my CL2 in 3 weeks in DOA. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Guess who was first to use CL2 effectively in dogfight? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Should have kept my mouth shut, I hated those damn crates with tail gunner ready for the most problematic situations and their ability to turn like crazy monkeys!
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Originally posted by Fariz:
I do not respect both Fishu and Hristo. When I found out that changing it from EF to 07 at the 4331:7454 will lead to twice faster plane I told them. I took their promise that they will never use it online. So what? They did, and got very good killing numbers.
Do I have to remind you about that space shuttle piece of code? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Dune:
A Duel. And not a duel between two pilots. Anything can happen here, a pilot can have a bad day, etc. etc. I mean a duel between those who fly American iron and the Luftwussies (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Pick a date. Get 8 pilots from each side. 8 pilots in LW iron and 8 pilots in -51D's (or a couple in -47D's or -38L's if you so desire). 15K merge, guns hot. Set up a defined area so one pilot can't try to run to survive. Best 2 out of 3. Last pilot flying wins it for his team. Get more than 8 pilots so some can switch in and out.
You do forget one thing, theres less luftwaffe aces than those easy ride yankees (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Personally, having fought Hristo in a duel with a superior plane, lost and learned a WHOLE lot...
I am looking forward GREATLY to listening to Hangtime scream about his porked 13mm, inneffective 20mm cannon and scream bloody murder about how his G10 can't hold any E anymore
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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**** ATTENTION ALL ****
Any self proclaimed hotsticks and *Dueling Gods* (cough) participating in this thread please join the Aces High Dueling Ladder. Challenge udie, RAM or myself, we could use some lessons. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Sorrow[S=A]:
I am looking forward GREATLY to listening to Hangtime scream about his porked 13mm, inneffective 20mm cannon and scream bloody murder about how his G10 can't hold any E anymore
I wonder if he even hits in first place.. no more laser guns!
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I do not respect both Fishu and Hristo. When I found out that changing it from EF to 07 at the 4331:7454 will lead to twice faster plane I told them. I took their promise that they will never use it online. So what? They did, and got very good killing numbers.
I really feel ashamed of this guys, really.
I hope they at least wont say anyone about this little trick, especially bytes and address of what shall be changed.
Fariz what exactly are you saying?
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Originally posted by Fariz:
I do not respect both Fishu and Hristo. When I found out that changing it from EF to 07 at the 4331:7454 will lead to twice faster plane I told them. I took their promise that they will never use it online. So what? They did, and got very good killing numbers.
I really feel ashamed of this guys, really.
I hope they at least wont say anyone about this little trick, especially bytes and address of what shall be changed.
Fariz
XII Legion.
Whew!! I was afraid he had changed the quadrilateral code deciphering engine value from 985185*&@#&&)099, to &Y^CCCP#(U*#)_(_#)C.
Glad its not that old trick! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Fariz;
LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Very good bait, I see you hooked 3-5 fishees...
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The Wrecking Crew
"You mess with the Bull, you get the horn."
Minotaur
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LOL Hblair!!
Any self proclaimed hotsticks and *Dueling Gods* (cough) participating in this thread please join the Aces High Dueling Ladder. Challenge udie, RAM or myself, we could use some lessons.
No thanks... I'm neither a hot stick or a Dueling God, self proclaimed or otherwise. Ask Udie or RAM.. they've kicked my bellybutton plenty of times. And so have you... and about 1,500 other guys. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I'm just a MA pony boy, and I ain't a very good one at that. I keep breakin all the rules.
But opportunity knocks; and a chance to catch Hristo on a level playing field is not all that common an occurance.
Further, by snappin up Hristo's challenge I get an opportunity to prove Hristo's commentary on the opportunistic nature of Pony Pilots and the Allies in general.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I mean.. its why our planes are silver; right? Never pass up an opportunity to kill the LW.
And; lastly.. we get a further opportunity to disprove the absurd statement:
"Best pilots are always Luftwaffe... "
I contend good pilots may be found in anything. Even an opportunistic allied P51D. I'm just doing my job by snapping up the opportunity to prove it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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1 on 1 duel is not going to prove much. It is more of a personal dispute and some overmodeled egos. It should be considered as such.
As for the best pilots, it is well known already. Luftwaffe rules. Even if they fly planes not up to date with US planes modeled in this sim. Allied types are given all the best US planes of the war, plus the fantasy cannon Hog.
Give Luftwaffe pilots the Dora and 262 and you will see a lot more whines than the A-5 whines.
Nice idea, Dune. I have seen the result of that duel. If anyone wants to organize this, I will be glad to participate. Howe about A-5s for LW ?
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Well toejam...I guess it's time to ditch my 51 and hop into one of those horribly ineffective 190s. I'm a complete dweeb now, but after flying Lufties for a week or two, I should be one of the top aces in AH. Thanks for the heads up Hristo! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
SOB
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Originally posted by Hristo:
As for the best pilots, it is well known already. Luftwaffe rules. Even if they fly planes not up to date with US planes modeled in this sim. Allied types are given all the best US planes of the war, plus the fantasy cannon Hog.
They have full performance N1K2 for japanese, who used some water comparable worthless gas with it, but has top performance in game (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
I wan't some LW plane that was made only 400 pieces too (Hmm, HE-162, thats enough rare!)
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Actually fish only 200 F4U-1C were made, then there was the F4U-4C which 300 were made. We need that D-12. ;p
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BEAT DOWN POSSE www.theregulators.org/bdp (http://www.theregulators.org/bdp)
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Geeze must be tuff to be Gerry always the best pilots but always losing the Wars.Now that they rejoined your homeland sorta you guys gonna try for a third one?I mean the best 2 outta 3 contest.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Guess who was first to use CL2 effectively in dogfight?
-Puts- of Jadgskaffel 9 "kreighundz" did, which was me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Me Squad and I were ranked number 1 cause of it after only 2 weeks, killed all those lame camel pilots muahhaha.
[This message has been edited by Torquila (edited 06-29-2000).]
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Originally posted by SOB:
Well toejam...I guess it's time to ditch my 51 and hop into one of those horribly ineffective 190s. I'm a complete dweeb now, but after flying Lufties for a week or two, I should be one of the top aces in AH. Thanks for the heads up Hristo! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
SOB
SOB, in fact you'd need to fly Fw190A8 for 5 months in a row, like me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) 2 weeks wont help at all. Watch me, I suck in AH and I have been trying to fly that little brick the A8 is (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). At least when I try a P51 I can fly a bit without being harrassed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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P.S. Go to the Ladder page. Watch the top 3. What do they have in common? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(Hint :Its gray ,with a radial engine and wears black crosses (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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LOL.. you guys crack me up. <PUNT>
The AH Dueling ladder is not cross-platform.. same plane type must be used by both parties in each fight.
The fights not in the MA.. it's in a user adjutable enviornment.
The first pass on the AH ladder is hot; guns free, without alt or merge seperation restrictions... there is no assurance of a level start or playing field.
So; it would be foolish indeed to fly a pony when a twitchy little warp-rollin cannon armed 190 does the job MUCH better for settling a same plane type dueling contest. Obviously; the masters of the phoney baloney opportunistic warp rollin 190 will excell on the AH dueling ladder.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (flame suit on)
Hang
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
The AH Dueling ladder is not cross-platform.. same plane type must be used by both parties in each fight.
Yes, co alt and same plane. So the best pilot wins.
The fights not in the MA.. it's in a user adjutable enviornment.
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All but one of my ladder fights were done in SEA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The first pass on the AH ladder is hot; guns free, without alt or merge seperation restrictions... there is no assurance of a level start or playing field.
Since I started the ladder I've never seen a HO try on the merge. The approaching altitude is just the same, so is a Co-E engagement.
So; it would be foolish indeed to fly a pony when a twitchy little warp-rollin cannon armed 190 does the job MUCH better for settling a same plane type dueling contest. Obviously; the masters of the phoney baloney opportunistic warp rollin 190 will excell on the AH dueling ladder.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (flame suit on)
Hang
huh? I only have used A8 some 4 or 5 fights in my ladder duels (and dammit I lost half the fights in it!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)), one in pony and a lot in spits,109G2 and C202s...So I dont get your point.
About the warp roll thing...well I've seen some 190s warping sometimes when I was on their 6. 100% of them died. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I dunno what the hell is a warp roll thing (thought it was an ACM not so long ago)...but for sure Id someone gets in my 6 I'm gonna roll like mad because is the best defensive move in 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-29-2000).]
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Hristo!
Would you please quit whinin about the allies havin better planes in AH and not havin the Dora or the 262....yeeeesh!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The 262 in WB's was at best an annoyance, not a threat. The only Dora I ever was concerned with was the one flown by my buddy DF. He was the best LW pilot bar none.
You brought up the dueling thingie as if it was a method of validating your silly statements re: LW pilots are the best...blah blah. Now you seem to be downplaying the 1v1 duel. I think LW pilots are the most goofy, but not the best flying the skies of AH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At any rate, this thread has been a welcome diversion for me versus the same old common threads seen so often.
And as a fellow sim pilot, I wish you luck....because we all know your gonna need it! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up, then goin dwn in flames!
Rude Out!
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Originally posted by Torquila:
-Puts- of Jadgskaffel 9 "kreighundz" did, which was me!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Me Squad and I were ranked number 1 cause of it after only 2 weeks, killed all those lame camel pilots muahhaha.
Hmm, naa, it wasn't.
I was first one to use CL2 as a pure dogfighter, even before that delicious version where it lost its rock performance.
At least if you talk about being effective in one before that famous camel killer version.
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Rude, let us get Dora and 262 first.
Then we shall see if they are a bit more than just an annoyance to your opportunistic pregnant cow.
Contact me for a fight anytime you see me online.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Hmm, naa, it wasn't.
I was first one to use CL2 as a pure dogfighter, even before that delicious version where it lost its rock performance.
At least if you talk about being effective in one before that famous camel killer version.
WRONG! dam ur a bad shot ;P
i flew the cl2 in the early stages when the camel didnt stall or had any torque effects. Those were the peak times of DOA, i died quite a bit out of all those kills due to its uberness and the fact that i would have 5-6 on my 6 at a time
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Gotcha RAM.. yah see; the fight scheduled with Hristo is a cross-platform fight. Not a 'duel' in the sense of the ladder. So the ladder commentay is outta place here. but since the can's open..
I'm not into flying FW's or any other LW plane; and as you have so eloquently pointed out; I'd have to beat the current three best 190 pilots in their 190's to have a chance of winning a ladder duel.. so it's not just pilot skill here.. it's knowledge of how to fly a LW a/c that makes it necessary to win on the ladder. Not fer me, thanks. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And, sadly; since the 190 can roll far faster than my internet connection or the HTC server system can display it; that's just gaming the game... IMHO.
So, you ladder 190 guys can pat yerselfs on the back and rest assured; you'll not see me dueling on a ladder since a 190 is not an aircraft I have any intention of flying to prove my skills.
I'll take my sub-standard second rate allied P51D into the main arena any day; and get my victories in the old-fashioned way. The P51D was made in America, (Stand and salute; dammit!) it don't warp roll in the sim; and my victories and escapes are earned.. not gifts from a system incapable of keeping up with it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang (pulls hood up on flame suit)
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Hmm, naa, it wasn't.
I was first one to use CL2 as a pure dogfighter, even before that delicious version where it lost its rock performance.
At least if you talk about being effective in one before that famous camel killer version.
WRONG! dam ur a bad shot ;P
i flew the cl2 in the early stages when the camel didnt stall or had any torque effects.It was most ubermodeled a/c in any of the ien games. Those were the peak times of DOA. I died quite a bit out of all those kills due to its uberness and the fact that i would have 5-6 on my 6 at a time
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Hang, if you are the challenger, you chose 3 planes, the other guy chooses 2 planes.
I've never seen a HO in the ladder, and as curtosy, most ask if its okay to go guns cold on merge.
The ladder is a measurement of a persons ACM abilities, whereas the MAIN, anyone can pad their score. You'll notice that most of the top scorers in the Main avoid the ladder..there's a reason for that, they'd get their butt handed to them, and they want to avoid popping their egos. IMO of course. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
I'll take my sub-standard second rate allied P51D into the main arena any day; and get my victories in the old-fashioned way. The P51D was made in America, (Stand and salute; dammit!) it don't warp roll in the sim; and my victories and escapes are earned.. not gifts from a system incapable of keeping up with it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang (pulls hood up on flame suit)
And you do it great justice...
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Originally posted by RAM:
P.S. Go to the Ladder page. Watch the top 3. What do they have in common? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
They're all really good pilots, and would clean the floor with me no matter what plane they were flying??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
SOB
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Hang, if you are the challenger, you
You'll notice that most of the top scorers in the Main avoid the ladder..there's a reason for that, they'd get their butt handed to them, and they want to avoid popping their egos. IMO of course. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I see some contradiction here. Ladder is a pure "score mongers" place, it is motivated purely by the "top hunger", unless in MA you can not say there that you fly for fun. If you want to duel for fun, not for place on the ladder, take the pilot and go with him to TA without any ladders. I know that many top pilot in HTC score page do not care about scores (I personally DO care, but many from top 10 never even check it).
I can not say about other people, but for ACM I need a) not warping connect b) normal not spiking not freezing controls, c) I would prefer at least to have view cap on my stick, because now I use one hand to trim, view, throttle and all else. I even do not speek about pedals which gives big initial advantage over me to all, who has them. Till I have all the abovementioned I wont join ladder. And do not trouble trouble, if some of the "top scorers" I know will join, I am sure that ladder top 5 will look just the very different way. Right now I see just a bit above average pilots there. Sure, it is all IMO.
Fariz
XII Legion.
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I look at the ladder as a way of saying "Hey, wonder how good that guy is on "equal" terms, rather than Main where he shoots me down because he always has alt.."
By the way, NOTHING will get your adrenline flowing like a ladder duel, just ask those that fly it.
I've never once heard anyone boast about their rank in the ladder.
Guess your glass is half full, mine half empty! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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You are absolutely sure that is 100% LW pilot skill and nothing else?
(http://my.ispchannel.com/~jfaries/51vs109G10.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"You mess with the Bull, you get the horn."
Minotaur
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Originally posted by Torquila:
WRONG! dam ur a bad shot ;P
i flew the cl2 in the early stages when the camel didnt stall or had any torque effects. Those were the peak times of DOA, i died quite a bit out of all those kills due to its uberness and the fact that i would have 5-6 on my 6 at a time
Ehm, my first time in Dawn of Aces was in VERY early stage.
You're not only whos seen it all!
I was one of those camel dweebs sucks guys, who flew Dr.I and DVa (ohh loove, DVa is my favorite camel killer!)
this is not from the really begining, but, remember -hoff- perhaps?
100 kills with 16 flights and 1 death? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Minotaur:
You are absolutely sure that is 100% LW pilot skill and nothing else?
Wheres P-51 vs Bf109 agility diagram? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Wheres P-51 vs Bf109 agility diagram? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My question first... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"You mess with the Bull, you get the horn."
Minotaur
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Originally posted by Fariz:
I see some contradiction here. Ladder is a pure "score mongers" place, it is motivated purely by the "top hunger
I wont talk for anothers but I talk about me. I love Ladder duels for the fun, not for the points. The best duel I've had in the Ladder was against Ammo, who won me 3-2. and I loved it!.
(ammo BTW your request on the film is aknowledged but my mail is giing me problems (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
I have all the abovementioned I wont join ladder. And do not trouble trouble, if some of the "top scorers" I know will join, I am sure that ladder top 5 will look just the very different way. Right now I see just a bit above average pilots there. Sure, it is all IMO.
Udie an average pilot? LOL! Hblair? LOL! Citabria? LOL!
Me?...neither, I suck.
C'mon people there are hotsticks, like it or not.
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If the ladders is for 'Score Mongers', then explain my presence there. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
The point of the ladder is the fun of an H2H duel...the ladder rankings run a distant second in priority.
SOB
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"I've never seen a HO in the ladder, and as curtosy, most ask if its okay to go guns cold on merge." - Rip
Yah, in alla duels I've fought in, nobody has ever HO'd... untill my last fight.
We close in and blam blam blam... I'm toast. Suprised the @!#$ outta me. I say something to the effect of "Wow, ya caught me off guard, I hadn't seen anybody actually do that before".
He says "Oh, yah, kinda strange rules here eh? I just hope nobody uses it and it just goes away".
Cool, OK.
My next merge, confident now that I'm safe to pull a bit of an agressive lead on this guy - he takes my wing off before we even pass. I would have been kinda upset if I wasn't laughing about it. The Bastige (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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LOL
Yer preachin to the choir here Rip and RAM.. been there; done that. My comments were not meant to imply that ladder flying is not fun and/or does not require skill.. far from it.
However.. consider the pilots who's avowed presence on the ladder is 'because they cannot get a fair fight in the MA'. I suspect it's really because of pilots like myself in the MA that make it damn tuff for them to run down into a furball to grab one or two B&Z kills and roar off to safety. Yep; I hunt these raiders mercilessly.. and love it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I wuz flying ladders when there wuz no such thing as a MA outside of AW DOS, spending more than 5 years on ladders with several flight sims and I had a blast. It's not my cup of tea anymore.. and I have always had some reservations about the way various A/C can be used as 'trump cards' in a match. 10 million words of wit and platitudes up the ying-yang will not explain away the warp-rollin FW's.
Rather; I was pointing out that the claim of 'the best pilots are the top ladder pilots' holds no more truth than the absurd comment that 'the best pilots fly LW.."
I'll re-state my position: The 'best pilots' can be found in all the displines; and in all plane types. Period. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Ehm, my first time in Dawn of Aces was in VERY early stage.
You're not only whos seen it all!
I was one of those camel dweebs sucks guys, who flew Dr.I and DVa (ohh loove, DVa is my favorite camel killer!)
this is not from the really begining, but, remember -hoff- perhaps?
100 kills with 16 flights and 1 death? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Hoff- now that rings a bell, me and him used to fly against eachother and with. He was really good . Those were the days... with 15 zeps hanging over the brige near 5 and climbing up in my DVII in to intercept them *sigh*.
BTW i also flew the DVA, DVII, Spad 14, and poineered deathstarring in the zep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(15-20 kills per mission in those things)
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Originally posted by Torquila:
-Hoff- now that rings a bell, me and him used to fly against eachother and with. He was really good . Those were the days... with 15 zeps hanging over the brige near 5 and climbing up in my DVII in to intercept them *sigh*.
BTW i also flew the DVA, DVII, Spad 14, and poineered deathstarring in the zep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(15-20 kills per mission in those things)
Ya, and -hoff- was me (like couple others.. krhm)
One thing that I never talked as much as I did talk about CL-2, when it got that camel killer stats for my wonder, was when I did use artilery to kill about 45 planes at a field and kill 10 myself in a zeppelin.. I parked tactically my zep above enemy field and called in artilery - counted kills by seeing explosions in the map (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
But because I was smartened by that what happend after I whined too much of how good CL-2 is in turn fight 'now', I never talked about that zeppelin stuff.
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lol, the "LW guys make best pilots" comment is about just as silly as "spit is too uber".
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
No offence to the "experten" of course. You know who you are. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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"Han Solo, that is just pure propaganda crap and you know it. You are just one of those hot shot pilots that look good in the movies. You'd probably throw up all over the dashboard when confronted with a pair of TIE-fighters"
Once again Mr Hristo, I must point out some inaccuracies in your statement...
(I know that this was AGES ago in the thread, but I've been off getting some children and stones out of the clutches of the temple of doo....whoops wrong character)
Anyway. I point to Star Wars, A New Hope. I believe that this shows quite clearly myself and young Luke Skywalker battling a number of TIE fighters utilising the typhoo... ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Citabria)...err, Falcon's quad cannons. I do believe that there are a great deal more than two TIE's in that battle, yet I fail to notice any vomit circulating around the Falcon's interior...
I win that argument.....:P
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Originally posted by Torque:
Geeze must be tuff to be Gerry always the best pilots but always losing the Wars.Now that they rejoined your homeland sorta you guys gonna try for a third one?I mean the best 2 outta 3 contest.
Torque..they ALREADY lost 2 outta 3 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hey Han, Stop putting yourself those bagdes and medals on the Death Star's attack, you have the biggest mouth in this side of the galaxy, bud. Maybe Chewie can help us putting his punch on your mouth for a while,pal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I destroyed the D.S.! and in the middle of TIEs' and Laser Turrets' lasers!. You came when the show was over, you only killed two toejamty imps, man. I did better in Tatooine's canyons killin' womprats in a T-16 than you in the Death Star show! That was flying!
And dont come here telling me you saved my butt, as daddy wasnt going to shoot at me!:P
Of course the force helped me a bit...I had to trust in it as Obi-Wan was giving me a serious headache! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
He told me that "trust in the force, luke" two thousand times!! So it was clear, that if I wasnt going to trust in it my head was going to explode. So,well,seen the choices and chances, I trusted.
But I killed the D.S. only by my own pilot skills!
Not only the D.S. attack ,Han, I killed 2 TIEs after escaping from captivity with Princess Leia, and remember that I was seriously depressed because OwiWan had died!!
Nah, you suck, man. I am the best pilot in the galaxy, the smartest...and I am going to get the girl! So it wont be YOUR girl anymore!(I dont mind a ratz prettythang about what Yoda said! if she is my sister and doesnt know it, why am I going to lose the chances!?)
BTW and now I have you here...you owe me 7500 credits from that last "few hands" od sabbacc, do you remember?...Han, pay me soon or I'm going to get VERY angry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(ZUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM------->light sabre sound) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Oh, and stop crying about me using the force to see your cards! come on,man you know I only use force to beat imps! I play clean...Ask Carlissian wheter I do it or not!!!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Luke Skywalker (edited 06-30-2000).]
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ROAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRG!
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Nah, Chewie...let his arms and legs in their place. We all know he has a big mouth,but we all love him isnt it? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Well, all but Princess Leia (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) She loves me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Luke Skywalker (edited 06-30-2000).]
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Come here with 200 kills no deaths streak in either Zeke, Spit 5 or C202 - then i'll be impressed.
Flying a fastest plane in the house and killing unaware kids on the edges of the fight ? Please... spare my...
Hristo - do load up WB one of those day. I still wanna do H2H there.
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF
Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998
Northolt Wing Headquarters (http://www.raf303.org/northolt/)
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"...let the Wookie win."
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Hey Kid,
Look, if you scroll up, I did credit you with the First Death Star destruction. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
But I still saved your ass...
And I told you, as I told the Hutt, I just need some time to get the money, You'll have it, although keep pestering me and you'll end up the way of Jabba. (J/K, J/K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif))
And as for Leia...That's illegal throughout the Universe kid.
"Lazer swords and Hokey religions are no match for a good blaster by your side) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Han,Han,Han...Your ways to give me the credit of the death star's destruction are a bit "undermodelled" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) BUt I'll let it pass...for now.
And pay me soon, Han. Remember who was there to save all your butts when Jabba died?. Remember that you owe your sad life (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) to a little ugly droid and that lazer sword and religion!
(Bip bip TWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET)
(come on R2D2 that was a compliment!)
(Beeeep!)
(ok ok, I will fly it in manual mode (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Oh, I almost forgot!, about Leia...if nobody knows that we are...what we are (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif), then I think noone will say anything about it!.
"Lazer swords and Hokey religions are no match for a good blaster by your side "
Didnt Darth Vader make you change that way of thinking in Bespin?
I thought he had (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(ZUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMZWEA UMMMMMMMMMMMMM)
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[This message has been edited by Luke Skywalker (edited 07-01-2000).]
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Just read this entire thread. I am a lesser person for having seen what was written here.
AKDejaVu <- searches for can of "thread-be-gone"
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Originally posted by Citabria:
Han Solo we already have the Millenium Falcon in Aces High!!!
It's called the Typhoon!
and its the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
rofl Cit, I was just doing the ritual watching of Star Wars the other day, and when that line came up I said aloud at the TV:
'Suure, just you try and catch me in that at 200 feet...'