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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 49ZERO on December 10, 2016, 10:42:41 AM
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There are many players that would like to win a war once in awhile. It would be very nice if players would fly more bombers to help the war effort. I am getting tired of being one of the few work horses in aces high 3. The player population is at a point where victory is not possible without all taking the time to bomb strats and towns. I realy would appreciate it if players would do one strat raid before fur balling the rest of the day. Back in the dark ages I was able to fur ball and also take bases because of the player numbers. My desire to win a map is stronger than fur balling and spawn camping. I am asking for a little more bombing and a little less fur and camp. Just taking 1 hour of your game time in a bomber would help balance the maps. Thank you and if you need tips on how to be a god in bombers just ask.
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There are many players that would like to win a war once in awhile. It would be very nice if players would fly more bombers to help the war effort. I am getting tired of being one of the few work horses in aces high 3. The player population is at a point where victory is not possible without all taking the time to bomb strats and towns. I realy would appreciate it if players would do one strat raid before fur balling the rest of the day. Back in the dark ages I was able to fur ball and also take bases because of the player numbers. My desire to win a map is stronger than fur balling and spawn camping. I am asking for a little more bombing and a little less fur and camp. Just taking 1 hour of your game time in a bomber would help balance the maps. Thank you and if you need tips on how to be a god in bombers just ask.
There were a lot of bombers the other night, hitting Knights' strats.
Some took the time to climb to 26k, while some others were very low Lancs.
I just hung around 26k in my P-38 and getting shot down like a trooper.
Had a lot of fun though.
Coogan
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There are many players that would like to win a war once in awhile. It would be very nice if players would fly more bombers to help the war effort. I am getting tired of being one of the few work horses in aces high 3. The player population is at a point where victory is not possible without all taking the time to bomb strats and towns. I realy would appreciate it if players would do one strat raid before fur balling the rest of the day. Back in the dark ages I was able to fur ball and also take bases because of the player numbers. My desire to win a map is stronger than fur balling and spawn camping. I am asking for a little more bombing and a little less fur and camp. Just taking 1 hour of your game time in a bomber would help balance the maps. Thank you and if you need tips on how to be a god in bombers just ask.
There was a time when almost NOBODY bombed strats. People took bases by FIGHTING for them. Now players seem to need the crutch of bombing strats to force players to resupply instead of defend.
You want to take bases, run missions. Use tactics and skill to take down the town, cap the field and get troops in before the paltry 30 minutes of down time has expired.
I would be happy to join missions that result in fights. Bombing strats, no I don't think so.
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There was a time when 2 or 3 missions where up at one time. There was a time that you could get 12 players to jabo. There was a time when every thing you mentioned was implemented daily. The time you speak of is long gone. 1 or 2 players can resup a town in less than 10 minutes . 1 or 2 players can defend a town from 5 attacking it. The glory days are not here again. There is no shortage of skill since only the long time players are left. There is a shortage of team work on 2 of the 3 countries and that's why 1 country wins 99 percent of the maps. Strats have to be hit to compensate for 3 players willing to take a base. It would be very easy to fly for the country that wins all the time. What I am asking for is more players to up bombers. It is easy to be critical of any suggestion to make a more balanced game. You win in the amount of posts but my strategy of victory begins with strats holds true in the current status of the 2 countries that lose all the time.
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You play for country's who mostly only want to furball what do you expect.
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There was a time when almost NOBODY bombed strats.
That was also the time when the strats were broken and bombing them nearly pointless. Then strats were changed & fixed at the same time. You finally had a target for large, long range escorted bomber raids. Good times. :old:
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There are many players that would like to win a war once in awhile. It would be very nice if players would fly more bombers to help the war effort. I am getting tired of being one of the few work horses in aces high 3. The player population is at a point where victory is not possible without all taking the time to bomb strats and towns. I realy would appreciate it if players would do one strat raid before fur balling the rest of the day. Back in the dark ages I was able to fur ball and also take bases because of the player numbers. My desire to win a map is stronger than fur balling and spawn camping. I am asking for a little more bombing and a little less fur and camp. Just taking 1 hour of your game time in a bomber would help balance the maps. Thank you and if you need tips on how to be a god in bombers just ask.
Tell your buddies to stop hating on my nerfing town resupply threads then....Defenders don't have to try to hold a field...takes a lot more for attackers. Nerfing m3 resupply would even this out so you wouldn't have to focus so much on strats...you wouldn't need as coordinated missions to take a field as you do now.
I killed 20 bish tanks and m3s last night holding a town....fields should be defended by tanks and planes...not supplies.
I'm all about working to take bases...but I'm not going to waste my time when it's too easy for an M3 to hold a field with supps...I'll stick to defending and furballing....that's where the action is.
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There was a time when 2 or 3 missions where up at one time. There was a time that you could get 12 players to jabo. There was a time when every thing you mentioned was implemented daily. The time you speak of is long gone. 1 or 2 players can resup a town in less than 10 minutes . 1 or 2 players can defend a town from 5 attacking it. The glory days are not here again. There is no shortage of skill since only the long time players are left. There is a shortage of team work on 2 of the 3 countries and that's why 1 country wins 99 percent of the maps. Strats have to be hit to compensate for 3 players willing to take a base. It would be very easy to fly for the country that wins all the time. What I am asking for is more players to up bombers. It is easy to be critical of any suggestion to make a more balanced game. You win in the amount of posts but my strategy of victory begins with strats holds true in the current status of the 2 countries that lose all the time.
I fly Rook also, I know we almost never win a map. I also know it is not the "be all, end all" of the game either. I do fly buffs and Im pretty good at it. I do jabo, and Im pretty good at it. Fighters.... not so much but it is the most fun thing to do in this game ....for me.
What good is a big strat run if after that hour or two you cant get anyone to team up and hit a base? I think a few runs to pork suppling fields, and then a bunch of run to the field your attacking and fighting for would be more fun, and it may take you the hour or two of the start run to capture the base this way but it would be a lot more fun.
That was also the time when the strats were broken and bombing them nearly pointless. Then strats were changed & fixed at the same time. You finally had a target for large, long range escorted bomber raids. Good times. :old:
True, but the point is that fields were STILL captured. People worked "for the win" in stead of just using some backdoor crutch. The game is missing combat, and I think that hitting strats is just another way to avoid combat. Very few are going to take the time to get to the best attack alts and lie in wait for these buffs. In the hour or two a mission like that would take I could get a dozen kills and die twice as many times.
49zero, You want more participation, just keep posting missions. Add a twist to them, dont do the same old thing every time. Plan a co-ordinated mission, up buffs 30 minutes before your fighters and then launch the deack crew 10 minutes before the jabos. Timed out right everyone hits the field with in minutes of each other and you can have a great attack going. 6-8 guys can do a lot of damage..... if they are skilled.
Winning the map isn't the "goal" you should be reaching for. Fighting and winning the battles will bring about the win for the war, but most people dont look that far into the future. They have an hour to play. If a good mission is running they gets some action and have some fun. That is what you should be looking for. The more fun they have, the more often they will join, the more often you team will be pushing for the win.
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I understand Zero,s position and appreciate his effort in game. He is a huge contributor.
I really wish the starts were not part of the game. It gives the country with the most players a bigger advantage in that they have the extra players to keep the starts down. The buzzsaw map is the worst of these.
I took a buzsaw bish port with just me and a squad mate carrying troops. That is just not right.
I love to capture bases and hate to lose them.
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This is absolutely pointless to have a war game with no objective other than to fight. According to the arena message it says the requirements to win the war. The winning side is rewarded perk points. If fighting is the only objective then why even bother with base takes or victory conditions. Just put a 24 hour timer on all maps and market it as a first person shooter game. The glory days of this game was when it was advertised as a world war 2 game and players felt part of a team. To fight epic battles with the ultimate goal of winning the war. Once it became more of a free for all shootem up type game with no strategic goals the population nose dived. There are much better games for the quick and the dead to play but long ago the appeal was the epic struggle to achieve victory.
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This is absolutely pointless to have a war game with no objective other than to fight. According to the arena message it says the requirements to win the war. The winning side is rewarded perk points. If fighting is the only objective then why even bother with base takes or victory conditions. Just put a 24 hour timer on all maps and market it as a first person shooter game. The glory days of this game was when it was advertised as a world war 2 game and players felt part of a team. To fight epic battles with the ultimate goal of winning the war. Once it became more of a free for all shootem up type game with no strategic goals the population nose dived. There are much better games for the quick and the dead to play but long ago the appeal was the epic struggle to achieve victory.
Well posted.
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This is absolutely pointless to have a war game with no objective other than to fight. According to the arena message it says the requirements to win the war. The winning side is rewarded perk points. If fighting is the only objective then why even bother with base takes or victory conditions. Just put a 24 hour timer on all maps and market it as a first person shooter game. The glory days of this game was when it was advertised as a world war 2 game and players felt part of a team. To fight epic battles with the ultimate goal of winning the war. Once it became more of a free for all shootem up type game with no strategic goals the population nose dived. There are much better games for the quick and the dead to play but long ago the appeal was the epic struggle to achieve victory.
you ever think that some people just have an hour or two to play. so they like to furball. I used to fly bombers a lot but then I had a lot of time back then. now I am lucky if I get a couple of hours a week.
semp
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There are many players that would like to win a war once in awhile. It would be very nice if players would fly more bombers to help the war effort. I am getting tired of being one of the few work horses in aces high 3. The player population is at a point where victory is not possible without all taking the time to bomb strats and towns. I realy would appreciate it if players would do one strat raid before fur balling the rest of the day. Back in the dark ages I was able to fur ball and also take bases because of the player numbers. My desire to win a map is stronger than fur balling and spawn camping. I am asking for a little more bombing and a little less fur and camp. Just taking 1 hour of your game time in a bomber would help balance the maps. Thank you and if you need tips on how to be a god in bombers just ask.
The work horses were thinking the bomber types need to start fighting.
Really no reason to win a map. Many like to fly and fight. You can fight over any land or water.
Aces High
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You play for country's who mostly only want to furball what do you expect.
I have no idea who wins a map the most. I don't care about the map. I care about the fights.
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This is absolutely pointless to have a war game with no objective other than to fight. According to the arena message it says the requirements to win the war. The winning side is rewarded perk points. If fighting is the only objective then why even bother with base takes or victory conditions. Just put a 24 hour timer on all maps and market it as a first person shooter game. The glory days of this game was when it was advertised as a world war 2 game and players felt part of a team. To fight epic battles with the ultimate goal of winning the war. Once it became more of a free for all shootem up type game with no strategic goals the population nose dived. There are much better games for the quick and the dead to play but long ago the appeal was the epic struggle to achieve victory.
I would disagree with this...its main attraction over any other game is the combat...not the strategy for the map....but the map being part of the machine that pushes the fights along is good so I'm in agreement that the war is important.
I will throw this out there...you running supplies instead of upping a tank or plane to fight for a base doesn't make the epic battles you are talking about....Throwing it out there....you gameplay vs what you're saying in here is contradicting itself.
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We could use some more players that want to fly a freaking plane. Not sit in ack guns or camp in a GV to get stats for their precious rank.
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We could use some more players that want to fly a freaking plane. Not sit in ack guns or camp in a GV to get stats for their precious rank.
+1
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I think all aspects of the game are fun. I think if there were more players, we wouldn't see complaint threads like this.
and who made 49zero general of his side? LOL
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This is absolutely pointless to have a war game with no objective other than to fight. According to the arena message it says the requirements to win the war. The winning side is rewarded perk points. If fighting is the only objective then why even bother with base takes or victory conditions. Just put a 24 hour timer on all maps and market it as a first person shooter game. The glory days of this game was when it was advertised as a world war 2 game and players felt part of a team. To fight epic battles with the ultimate goal of winning the war. Once it became more of a free for all shootem up type game with no strategic goals the population nose dived. There are much better games for the quick and the dead to play but long ago the appeal was the epic struggle to achieve victory.
This is the line, to fight for it, not to use some trick to force the other players into supply runs instead of defending. You want other to hide in buffs making long runs to try to keep the enemy busy resuppling.
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This is absolutely pointless to have a war game with no objective other than to fight. According to the arena message it says the requirements to win the war. The winning side is rewarded perk points. If fighting is the only objective then why even bother with base takes or victory conditions. Just put a 24 hour timer on all maps and market it as a first person shooter game. The glory days of this game was when it was advertised as a world war 2 game and players felt part of a team. To fight epic battles with the ultimate goal of winning the war. Once it became more of a free for all shootem up type game with no strategic goals the population nose dived. There are much better games for the quick and the dead to play but long ago the appeal was the epic struggle to achieve victory.
I believe I disagree with all of this.
Fighting is the point of a war game. The reason for base taking is to focus the location of the fights. The glory days of the game were when everyone understood this.
- oldman
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The bombers are working just fine, and porking the M3s resupply is not the answer. If you go down that path then the strategy of the game will completely disappear, again. As things are, right now, bombers work, the strats work (with the exception of fuel), and the M3s work. When you can come up with a change that doesn't advantage your style of gameplay above the others then please try again.
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There is nothing more fun in the game than the excitement of sneaking a base capture
Or stopping a base take with an M3 supply run
Or watching the last troop closing on the map room and a gun or building pops from a red resuppling.
It really goes both ways. Huge fun either way.
Capturing bases during prime time takes some planning and guile. Might be why some players just prefer to furbal. I do enjoy a good furbal too.
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49zero,
one hours is all the playing session for some players, myself included. I only get to play a couple of hours a week and I am not going to waste them on a strat run.
My contribution to the war effort is in defence and in furballing that clears the way for our attackers and tactical bombers.
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Alright, Alright....I'll start flying bombers! <S> :banana: :banana: :banana:
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There is nothing more fun in the game than the excitement of sneaking a base capture
Or stopping a base take with an M3 supply run
Or watching the last troop closing on the map room and a gun or building pops from a red resuppling.
It really goes both ways. Huge fun either way.
Capturing bases during prime time takes some planning and guile. Might be why some players just prefer to furbal. I do enjoy a good furbal too.
I dont find it fun at all. You want to beat me? Get your bellybutton in the air and beat me!
Last night, the Knights had the numbers.... and the ENY. They had 2 cv groups off the coast of of one of our bases and the attack began. I didn't see any M3s running out to resupply the town, but I was pretty busy defending the place. The fight lasted over an hour and the Knights finally won the field. By then the attack they had going on in the south had failed and that group join this one and the Horde was born.
From then on it was nothing but fighting the horde, a base capture ever 20 minutes or so until they won the war. I suppose I could have spent the night running M3s, but that isnt even close to how much fun it is to get pummeled by the horde time and time again. :rolleyes:
Until the horde formed the fights for the base were a blast. Medium alt buffs making runs from a couple of directions, GVs trying to get into town defended by other GVs. LVTs making a bunch of runs and ships guns making craters every where. Very little picking for high alt (there were a few), most fighting was under 10k and the sides were pretty even. It was the old game from years ago, and great hard fought battle. The Knights didnt run any strat runs, and funny thing they still won the war.
Had the Knights kept their force split and pushed the attack on two fronts the "war" may have lasted a bit longer, but I think more people would have had a lot more fun. As it was, the horde spoiled the fight, and then once the war was won we lost a good number of people because many just called it a night instead of logging back in.
Oh well, it was a fun couple of hours until the horde showed up. Enough to make me want to come back again. Its like golf, that one good shot, or shots for that birdie, its that bit of fun that keeps you coming back no matter how bad the rest of the game was.
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We could use some more players that want to fly a freaking plane. Not sit in ack guns or camp in a GV to get stats for their precious rank.
You'd think that even though we're all paying the company High Tech Creations, to do just that!!! " fly a freaking plane."
I've been in the old times of ch1, on country text, everywhere... You name the place, it's been said there. I mean if this is a game which is based around air combat faught in fighter planes. Based mainly in the air. Some of us dweebs like to be GV dweebs too. I've always done my fighting in the Air
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The bombers are working just fine, and porking the M3s resupply is not the answer. If you go down that path then the strategy of the game will completely disappear, again. As things are, right now, bombers work, the strats work (with the exception of fuel), and the M3s work. When you can come up with a change that doesn't advantage your style of gameplay above the others then please try again.
If it's easier to supply a field then to destroy it....the M3s work??? So let's get this right you think me wanting to fight something other then M3s running supps makes it an advantage for my gameplay style...adding more enemy who actually have a chance of killing me gives an advantage then me having 12 PB1 rockets to kill m3s over and over without even giving them a shot opportunity?
Yea all wishes are selfish and only advantageous to the person making the wish... :rolleyes:
Fact...Town resupply is broke...time it if you think I'm wrong.
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If your a player with limited time, then fur is perfectly understandable. Last night the knights won a map! I sank both knight cvs but it was too little too late. The knights used fighters to control the skies and many bomber sortes to destroy towns and hangers. A Well done team effort. Look all I was asking is for players to fly more bombers. If they can it will make a difference not just on strats but towns and hangers and enemy cvs aswell. Just a simple request for more bombers to make it possible for the other 2 countries to win a map.
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If your a player with limited time, then fur is perfectly understandable. Last night the knights won a map! I sank both knight cvs but it was too little too late. The knights used fighters to control the skies and many bomber sortes to destroy towns and hangers. A Well done team effort. Look all I was asking is for players to fly more bombers. If they can it will make a difference not just on strats but towns and hangers and enemy cvs aswell. Just a simple request for more bombers to make it possible for the other 2 countries to win a map.
:headscratch: .... :airplane:
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The horde proves something: Players do care about the war at least to some degree. The majority is not out there to furball only.
A single player can capture an undefended field. 10 Players cannot capture a field defendend by a single person. Born was the horde to solve that situation.
Often, the desire to win the war exceeds the desire to go flying. M3s and tanks armed with rockets are the much more convenient alternative compared to goons and bombers. A resupplying M3 is more convenient than fast plane hunting goons - and even far less practical to hunt M3s carrying troops.
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Alright, Alright....I'll start flying bombers! <S> :banana: :banana: :banana:
OOOOOHHHHH H NOOOOOOOOOO you already killed me enough in those things, LOL
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Most people play this game for air combat. FSO proves that. Tanks are a great addition to the game. They provide support and suppression. I don't think tanks should be hi-lighted more than the air combat aspect. That's why I think TTs are a great destructor. Closer bases would fix all of that. The other thing about this game is it takes time. Time is a benefactor. It could take 35-45 minutes to do a bomb run. Most people simply want to utilize that time in a more rapid quick fight time. Bombing is a great part of the game, but a good majority just want fast action. Really and truely, you just have to play the way you want and forget about winning the war. Most of the time, I'll only try to win the win the war if I dislike the map.
Personally I hope that more players do roll bombers as there will be more to shoot at ;)
PS: Tu-2s and B26s are dirty
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Most people play this game for air combat. FSO proves that.
Most players don't play FSO. ;)
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Perhaps you didn't see the #s on Friday night this FSO: 187-67 in MA. What I am implying is that the aircombat aspect to the game is still what attracts the most people.
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Perhaps you didn't see the #s on Friday night this FSO: 187-67 in MA.
I see the monthly numbers. Last tour FSO had 213, 199, 210 pilots in its three frames, mostly the same ones in all of them.
AH had over 1500 pilots playing in the LW MA last our. So no, most players do not play FSO.
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I agree to the idea of more bomber pilots. We need more players. Recruit people you know to start playing the game.
I posted in FSO forum for FSO recruitment. Just like for Main Arena, the game needs more people. Get the arenas back to 400 + and the non-stop action along all frontlines and deep penetration missions.
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I see the monthly numbers. Last tour FSO had 213, 199, 210 pilots in its three frames, mostly the same ones in all of them.
AH had over 1500 pilots playing in the LW MA last our. So no, most players do not play FSO.
I think comparing #s on the same night is a better relationship. 3 nights vs 30 isn't that fair. If most of these players and squads played in the MA on a normal basis, (which a lot still do), the #s would be higher per day.
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I think comparing #s on the same night is a better relationship. 3 nights vs 30 isn't that fair.
Fair? The statement of mine was simply "Most players do not play FSO". I don't know how anything like fairness comes into play now. It's just a single factual statement about participation. Something like 200-300 players play FSO on a regular base, which makes them a minority. (And thus possibly a bad example for what the players in the MA 'really wan't').
That's all.
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Alright, Alright....I'll start flying bombers! <S> :banana: :banana: :banana:
You used up your 857th post on that? :rofl
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There are many players that would like to win a war once in awhile. It would be very nice if players would fly more bombers to help the war effort. I am getting tired of being one of the few work horses in aces high 3. The player population is at a point where victory is not possible without all taking the time to bomb strats and towns. I realy would appreciate it if players would do one strat raid before fur balling the rest of the day. Back in the dark ages I was able to fur ball and also take bases because of the player numbers. My desire to win a map is stronger than fur balling and spawn camping. I am asking for a little more bombing and a little less fur and camp. Just taking 1 hour of your game time in a bomber would help balance the maps. Thank you and if you need tips on how to be a god in bombers just ask.
then you might want to talk to your fellow rook countrymen about getting more rook players to log on more--rooks almost always have the lowest numbers logged on-not to mention Rooks being afraid to fight bish..bish can have 25% of the rook bases and they still just attack Knights who may have only 10 or 15% or less rook bases.
and pfff the 49'ers don't care about helping their rook countrymen they are just out for themselves--they need to work with other rooks to takes bases and try to when a war-but they won't.
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I have no idea who wins a map the most. I don't care about the map. I care about the fights.
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Most players don't play FSO. ;)
Friday the 9th,when I logged on, FSO had a little over 200 players in it-melee arena about68
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then you might want to talk to your fellow rook countrymen about getting more rook players to log on more--rooks almost always have the lowest numbers logged on-not to mention Rooks being afraid to fight bish..bish can have 25% of the rook bases and they still just attack Knights who may have only 10 or 15% or less rook bases.
and pfff the 49'ers don't care about helping their rook countrymen they are just out for themselves--they need to work with other rooks to takes bases and try to when a war-but they won't.
We fly fighter sweeps all the time to aid the war effort. I often run troops and supplies, take down ords, bomb hangars, and do what is needed when asked. Sometimes I do other stuff too. Your statement is not even close to the truth.
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Most people play this game for air combat. FSO proves that. Tanks are a great addition to the game. They provide support and suppression. I don't think tanks should be hi-lighted more than the air combat aspect. That's why I think TTs are a great destructor. Closer bases would fix all of that. The other thing about this game is it takes time. Time is a benefactor. It could take 35-45 minutes to do a bomb run. Most people simply want to utilize that time in a more rapid quick fight time. Bombing is a great part of the game, but a good majority just want fast action. Really and truely, you just have to play the way you want and forget about winning the war. Most of the time, I'll only try to win the win the war if I dislike the map.
Personally I hope that more players do roll bombers as there will be more to shoot at ;)
PS: Tu-2s and B26s are dirty
PS: Tu-2s and B26s are dirty- I prefer b-24's 2 more engines and a belly turret
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We fly fighter sweeps all the time to aid the war effort. I often run troops and supplies, take down ords, bomb hangars, and do what is needed when asked. Sometimes I do other stuff too. Your statement is not even close to the truth.
and do what is needed when asked. Sometimes I do other stuff too. Your statement is not even close to the truth.
they shouldn't have to ask.
President Kennedy once said, and I quote what can you do for your country and not what can your country do for you. you should ask your fellow Rooks where you can help. instead of doing stupid things like doing storch raids and such.
Your statement is not even close to the truth.
I think my statement hits the nail on the head. I see it all the time.. most of the time the only bish bases that are flashing is the ones we knights are hitting. sometimes maybe 1 or 2 bish bases flashing, even then most of the rooks are scattered trying to fight knights when the should be fights bish--but that's just me-a lot of times Knights do the same dam thing
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running m3's to resupply a town that's being attacked is base defense.
and if you ever notice the Knights rarely defend their strats, even on buzzsaw map we usually don't try to defend strat attacking bombers just the gv's
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and do what is needed when asked. Sometimes I do other stuff too. Your statement is not even close to the truth.
they shouldn't have to ask.
President Kennedy once said, and I quote what can you do for your country and not what can your country do for you. you should ask your fellow Rooks where you can help. instead of doing stupid things like doing storch raids and such.
Your statement is not even close to the truth.
I think my statement hits the nail on the head. I see it all the time.. most of the time the only bish bases that are flashing is the ones we knights are hitting. sometimes maybe 1 or 2 bish bases flashing, even then most of the rooks are scattered trying to fight knights when the should be fights bish--but that's just me-a lot of times Knights do the same dam thing
I volunteer all the time. Ask anyone. You don't know me.
In fact I am in the air right NOW de-acking.
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And what's wrong with a cheetoh raid? Some people are way too serious. :banana:
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Perhaps you didn't see the #s on Friday night this FSO: 187-67 in MA. What I am implying is that the aircombat aspect to the game is still what attracts the most people.
You also have to account for the EU and Asia players who can't make FSO because of its timing....some do sure but that's why scenarios start with similar numbers off prime time because of EU. To say FSO has anywhere near the same amount or that all the events in game get the same participation as the MA does in a single month is just wrong...Special Event numbers are tied to the MA population numbers...As the MA numbers have gone down so have special events.
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What I am saying is that the air combat aspect to the game is what most players are attracted to, and what will bring the most players. I was using FSO as a comparison to how many people still enjoy air combat events. I was referencing how many players were in FSO compared to the MA on the same night. Then I determined that having those #s on nightly in the MA is what we should strive for. This would make the fights more fun. We can do this by making the air combat aspect to the game the prime target. I think base distance and mountain height decreases would be a step forward in creating more action, quickly, without having to change the game at all. We need more flowable action with lower altitude fighting. This would make the fights more engaging.
The DA Lake needs to not be a lake, make it land. It should be half a sector closer with an air spawn at 3K.
Shorter base distance would also make the time for bombers less and will cause more people to bomb. They could also up from further bases back if they wanted more time and alt.
Once you make the bases hard to defend because back bases are too far away, it creates hoards and gangs because it take too much time to up from a back base and defend.
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It may just be me, but being in bombers just doesnt do much for me. Sure I can climb out for an hour or 2 so as not to be swarmed or I can jabbo and get into 4 maybe 5 dogfights as well. Its best of both worlds for me. I can hit targets or tanks with bombs and furball, usually in the same flight. Using bombers the way some do is just way to much time with little payout. I have been on more base take missions than I can remember and mostly with jabbos and low bombers. It would take far too much coordination to use high alt bombers for base takes. Noone has the patience for that sort of coordination. It could work, I grant you, but that is asking the rest of your country to stop what they are doing and rally to your cause. Most effective use of bombers in a base take is a low alt( 10k or lower) attack with several pilots. Sure, its not the most survivable type of flight, but seems to be way more conducive to team work in base takes. How many times have there been whine posts in here about Bish noe raids(or hoarding according to the infidels)? They work! You just need a few guys more dedicated to stirring up a fight than worried about a score or how much damage you land. I am certain that with 20 dedicated pilots and proper tactics, could roll any map we have in a few hours. Thats with several of the not as dedicated players acting in their usual way- just looking for the fight. If you kick it(the hornet's nest), they will come! A few fur ballers, pickers, vulchers and bomtards in support of the 20 and you can say byebye to any map in here. :rofl
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If it's easier to supply a field then to destroy it....the M3s work??? So let's get this right you think me wanting to fight something other then M3s running supps makes it an advantage for my gameplay style...adding more enemy who actually have a chance of killing me gives an advantage then me having 12 PB1 rockets to kill m3s over and over without even giving them a shot opportunity?
Yea all wishes are selfish and only advantageous to the person making the wish... :rolleyes:
Fact...Town resupply is broke...time it if you think I'm wrong.
Well, you're completely wrong of course. All you have to do is hit the right strats before you start the capture campaign and the towns will stay down a LOT longer. You can verify this by monitoring the towns anytime Buzzsaw is up.
It doesn't surprise me that you are selfish, but thank you for verifying that.
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If resupply of towns and bases gets elimated or nerfed, you will see dramatic changes in gameplay, for the better.
One would think while we are still technically playing a game in a testing phase, it would be a good time to give it a try.
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If resupply of towns and bases gets elimated or nerfed, you will see dramatic changes in gameplay, for the better.
You are making this judgement from very narrow perspective.
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Well, you're completely wrong of course. All you have to do is hit the right strats before you start the capture campaign and the towns will stay down a LOT longer. You can verify this by monitoring the towns anytime Buzzsaw is up.
It doesn't surprise me that you are selfish, but thank you for verifying that.
First off your last statement...your a clown, and know nothing about me.
Second...drop the strats to 0% then kill the adjacent field troops....then kill town and run troops at field...time it.
Now run supps to bring up strat, then to bring up troops then to bring up town....time it.
See which one is dramatically faster...you have to.bomb and bail and have multiple planes helping to take a field to come close to what 1 guy in an M3 can do. And with low numbers and regular MA numbers....that makes for piss poor gameplay.....because like I said, fighting M3s with an F8 and PB1 rockets isn't fun...its easy and redundant
And finally you're bad in a P51
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You are making this judgement from very narrow perspective.
No, im making it from 16 years of playing the game, and basic observation of gameplay.
Its simple, the first instinct to base defense is resupply, which kills the addictive combat aspect of the game, which is one large factor of why gameplay is stale. Hence the current population.
They made one move in the right direction by removing large maps.
1 guy in a m3 should not undo undo what 5 jabos just did. Its an easy alternative to defense in air or tank. Im sure they make some sort of semi truck simulator if you guys want the supply feature so badly.
Its a gameplay killer in this genre though.
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No, im making it from 16 years of playing the game, and basic observation of gameplay.
Its simple, the first instinct to base defense is resupply, which kills the addictive combat aspect of the game, which is one large factor of why gameplay is stale. Hence the current population.
They made one move in the right direction by removing large maps.
1 guy in a m3 should not undo undo what 5 jabos just did. Its an easy alternative to defense in air or tank. Im sure they make some sort of semi truck simulator if you guys want the supply feature so badly.
Its a gameplay killer in this genre though.
They do have a truck simulator...throwing it out there :aok
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Well, you're completely wrong of course. All you have to do is hit the right strats before you start the capture campaign and the towns will stay down a LOT longer. You can verify this by monitoring the towns anytime Buzzsaw is up.
It doesn't surprise me that you are selfish, but thank you for verifying that.
If you want to force a guy into a bomber for an hour plus, to get the rest of the game to function properly, your thought process is off a bit.
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If players have to "win the war" to enjoy the game, they are doing it wrong.
A real pilot doesn't go flying just so he can land again (winz deh warz!), the pilot takes to the sky to enjoy the experience. If the cause was world peace then sure, but the game just resets. Nothing that happens in AH can be put on a resume' (except for HTC's).
Play with a purpose and play to win, but having rows and rows of participation trophys mean nothing.
With all that said I say yes, we need more bombers (in the sky and more choices). Add the Wellington, please. :)
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I did not expect this thread to evolve into being critical of other players and squads. I will tell you what I have seen after this post. A lot More Bombers ! Not everyone needs to bomb strats or climb past 20k. The use of bombers just above auto ack can be very effective on towns and bases. The war on a map that most hate was a lot of fun and very balanced in prime time. Well done all.
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Zero plays the game with class. He doesn't whine after being shot down, he doesn't holler "Shade Accounts" when his buffs are discovered.
Thank you for leading by example sir. It is always a pleasure to encounter you in the air.
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Alright, Alright....I'll start flying bombers! <S> :banana: :banana: :banana:
That's not a bomber...it's a Death Star.
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Zero plays the game with class. He doesn't whine after being shot down, he doesn't holler "Shade Accounts" when his buffs are discovered.
Thank you for leading by example sir. It is always a pleasure to encounter you in the air.
:salute Zoney. Sir, you are also a class act. On here and in the game.
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I understand that some have no use for bombers. That's cool. I was drawn to this game because I was looking for WW one fights and stumbled into all this. Flying a fighter is still my first love when it comes to combat simulators, but I like most of the other aspects of the game. Frankly, I'm a better bomber pilot. I suck at all things GV, but I still enjoy it sometimes. (If yer gonna be a friggin' 49'er yer gonna be sitting in a tank for long hours sometimes)
I'm also a chess player. I'm not that good at it EITHER but I love it. So strategic logic is something I appreciate. There's a lot of that here if you avail yourself of it. And bombers are a big part of it. And bombers don't have to be boring. My favorite bomber missions are when we take a bunch of B-17's low into a base take and then fight our way out gunship-style. Very exciting, to say the least! Been on more than a few of those with Mr. Zero. And it's cool to limp home with one shot up bird left and land some kills.
Anyway, it's cool if you don't dig 'em. I have a lot of fun with 'em.
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"Z's" of the world..................UNITE !!!
:cheers:
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"Z's" of the world..................UNITE !!!
:cheers:
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It's Zee Conspiracy I tell ya
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Zero plays the game with class. He doesn't whine after being shot down, he doesn't holler "Shade Accounts" when his buffs are discovered.
Thank you for leading by example sir. It is always a pleasure to encounter you in the air.
What he said.
I too implore people particularly of the Bishop and Rook persuasion to fly more targets bombers. The more enemy targets bombers I see in the air the happier I am. :cheers:
Really that's all I ask most of the time. Just give me a red bardar and I am content. Regardless of makeup.
Wiley.
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What he said.
I too implore people particularly of the Bishop and Rook persuasion to fly more targets bombers. The more enemy targets bombers I see in the air the happier I am. :cheers:
Really that's all I ask most of the time. Just give me a red bardar and I am content. Regardless of makeup.
Wiley.
Yup! I am always in my "brown pants", whether I need them or not. Its like Christams morning when I see a full, red darbar! :airplane:
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Alright, Alright....I'll start flying bombers! <S> :banana: :banana: :banana:
Yes yes.. moar bombers. They taste like chicken :D
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. . . Its simple, the first instinct to base defense is resupply, which kills the addictive combat aspect of the game, which is one large factor of why gameplay is stale. Hence the current population. . . .
. . . .1 guy in a m3 should not undo undo what 5 jabos just did. Its an easy alternative to defense in air or tank. Im sure they make some sort of semi truck simulator if you guys want the supply feature so badly.
No, the first instinct is not resupply but it is a tool a base defender has and may be the only choice if runway vulchers are shooting everything before wheels up. I do a lot of base defense.
No, one M3 supply run cannot stop 5 jabos.
As I posted before you are posting from a very narrow perspective.
Last night, during prime time, me and my squad mate, by ourselves, captured A1 from the bish and they had a full red dar bar out of A1. My point is, defending a base requires dealing with attacks on multiple fronts.
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No, the first instinct is not resupply but it is a tool a base defender has and may be the only choice if runway vulchers are shooting everything before wheels up. I do a lot of base defense.
No, one M3 supply run cannot stop 5 jabos.
As I posted before you are posting from a very narrow perspective.
Last night, during prime time, me and my squad mate, by ourselves, captured A1 from the bish and they had a full red dar bar out of A1. My point is, defending a base requires dealing with attacks on multiple fronts.
You are saying he is speaking from a narrow perspective by speaking from the same perspective....so how are you right and he's wrong?
It's a fact that going right for resupply is a first choice for some in base defense....you can't deny that because it DOES happen...people have seen it
It's a fact that it's easier to resupply a porked field then it is to take one down.
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Bombers take bases. All we have to do is just be sure to bomb the supply line as well as the base you are taking. When the VH is down at the supply base, nothing is rolling in to spoil your base taking wave. They got a VBase? Fine start bombing barracks too. We can overcome the resupply wave (of which I have been a part) and start taking bases again - it just requires coordination and concentration.
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Bombers take bases. All we have to do is just be sure to bomb the supply line as well as the base you are taking. When the VH is down at the supply base, nothing is rolling in to spoil your base taking wave. They got a VBase? Fine start bombing barracks too. We can overcome the resupply wave (of which I have been a part) and start taking bases again - it just requires coordination and concentration.
I would agree with this but Ive also been apart of captures where they resupplied the troops I killed to set up for a base take before I could drop a town...
Like I've said many times, it is too quick...to the point that in a lot of cases people will up an M3 to hold a field against Jabbos...which should never be the first choice..
And if anyone thinks I'm wrong saying that happens in the MA I suggest the be the first attacker at a field...I see it all the time.
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In many cases the m3 problem is magnified by the spawn point placed too closer to the town. The drive distance is so short that the m3 can be killed again and again, but it will keep showing up every 2 minutes. An attacking plane that runs out of ammo, fuel, or gets shot down will take much longer time to return.
The need to get the supplies just to the edge of town has a similar effect to the above. If the M3 had to drop the supplies at the flag, it would make its travel time longer and give attacking tanks a chance to intecept it, or prevent the resupply by holding the flag. Currently, the m3 can come out of the trees line to the other edge of town and make the drop before planes or tanks can intecept it.
1) Make sure that spawn points are at least a few miles from the town - travel time should be the same as a round trip time of a plane from the near air base.
2) The m3 town resupply should only take if it is delivered to the flag. C47 town resupply can have a greater range (and larger effect) than the M3.
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In many cases the m3 problem is magnified by the spawn point placed too closer to the town. The drive distance is so short that the m3 can be killed again and again, but it will keep showing up every 2 minutes. An attacking plane that runs out of ammo, fuel, or gets shot down will take much longer time to return.
The need to get the supplies just to the edge of town has a similar effect to the above. If the M3 had to drop the supplies at the flag, it would make its travel time longer and give attacking tanks a chance to intecept it, or prevent the resupply by holding the flag. Currently, the m3 can come out of the trees line to the other edge of town and make the drop before planes or tanks can intecept it.
1) Make sure that spawn points are at least a few miles from the town - travel time should be the same as a round trip time of a plane from the near air base.
2) The m3 town resupply should only take if it is delivered to the flag. C47 town resupply can have a greater range (and larger effect) than the M3.
That could work! Would suck for the goon pilot though, maybe? Would definitely draw attention from M3s at least!
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In many cases the m3 problem is magnified by the spawn point placed too closer to the town. The drive distance is so short that the m3 can be killed again and again, but it will keep showing up every 2 minutes. An attacking plane that runs out of ammo, fuel, or gets shot down will take much longer time to return.
The need to get the supplies just to the edge of town has a similar effect to the above. If the M3 had to drop the supplies at the flag, it would make its travel time longer and give attacking tanks a chance to intecept it, or prevent the resupply by holding the flag. Currently, the m3 can come out of the trees line to the other edge of town and make the drop before planes or tanks can intecept it.
1) Make sure that spawn points are at least a few miles from the town - travel time should be the same as a round trip time of a plane from the near air base.
2) The m3 town resupply should only take if it is delivered to the flag. C47 town resupply can have a greater range (and larger effect) than the M3.
Great ideas!
Anything that limits their effectivness is a step in the right direction.
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1) Make sure that spawn points are at least a few miles from the town - travel time should be the same as a round trip time of a plane from the near air base.
So, travel time for attacking tanks would be more than the round trip time of a plane from a nearby airfield. Guess that would tend get people out of tanks and back into airplanes.
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Until this game is advertise and we get back to the 600 player arenas, Bombers are the most effective way to turn a map around. The way to balance out the m3 runs is hitting strats. There simply is not enough active players to pork barracks and drop resup vhs. The few fighters that are m3 hunting are usually at risk from enemy fighters. Friendly fighters can not maintain air cover for town and m3 hunt unless you have dominate numbers. The tactic of all hangers down and town white is the best way to do a base take. That requires atleast 4 sets of buffs with fighters to deak and kill any uppers. The current numbers don't support that anymore. So we have gone full circle to my first statement of the need for more bomber pilots until this game gets its population back. Hitting strats then bombing towns and hope you can get troops in before resupplied is the way to overcome current conditions. Yes I know most don't have the time to strat but the few that do can make a impact if they sacrifice 1 hour for god and country. If players notice a country that has strats hit should take advantage of it. The rules we currently play by might be ok once we get back to the glory days.
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Maps seem to turn over regularly.
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The need to get the supplies just to the edge of town has a similar effect to the above. If the M3 had to drop the supplies at the flag ...
Edge of town? Was the effective distance reduced since AH2? At least half a mile out worked fine there.
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Maps seem to turn over regularly.
:aok
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We also need more Cowbell to go with these Buffs :devil
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Edge of town? Was the effective distance reduced since AH2? At least half a mile out worked fine there.
Really? that would mean dropping the supplies in the trees outside of town. If true then this is aweful and we are lucky that very few m3 drivers know about this :uhoh
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Topics like this sure draw out the players I despise as human beings. Some of the opinions and ideas Ive read sure bring out the narcissists in a lot of you folks. There is only 1 solution to this problem. Grief the enemy HQ for their insolence and abuse of m3's.
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Making them have to drop at the map room would for sure help but I think a cut in the time they take off would still be needed.
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We also need more Cowbell to go with these Buffs :devil
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Really? that would mean dropping the supplies in the trees outside of town. If true then this is aweful and we are lucky that very few m3 drivers know about this :uhoh
That's only the beginning of awful, really :t
I've tried to find a point to drop where only part of the town would be resupplied. The basic idea being, that some buildings need to be destroyed again, while others would come up on their own after that has been accomplished (to get things into the nasty cycle of mixed rebuild times).
Haven't tried too hard though (running supplies IS boring after all) and didn't find the correct distance yet. With the more compact towns in AH3 it's probably not that useful/easy even if the game mechanics should allow it work.
Does anyone know if resupply is all-or-nothing, or distance per building is considered?
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I believe its all or nnothing. Within 800 yards of theflag or something like that.
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M3 supplies > bombers