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Title: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: snakeplissken on December 14, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
I think in all this discussion, a fundamental point was missed.  Do all squads follow their leaders this way?  I am just saying:  If the briefing for my squad went: Unforgiven, here's the mission:  We are going to fly 2 sectors (IN THE WRONG DIRECTION) and then just land our bombers and tower out.  My guys (even the DFA guys that fly with us) would have said (through a haze of smoke and alcohol vapors) "Yeah, uhhh No, Pliss. That is a stupid plan.  We are not doing that.  Fellas, fall in on me heading 135 (a squad joke) and type dot speed 185 in your text buffers."  I am kinda of proud of that.  Every Friday our Leaders have to LEAD us into combat.  If they don't, we got about 30 guys who are willing to step up.   That is also a warning to other CIC's.  If you would have sent this mission to us,  we would have interpreted it thusly:  He meant Bombs on target by T-60.   ~~~ Snake~~~
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Devil 505 on December 14, 2016, 09:57:36 PM
Damn right Snake. No need for timid gameplans.

 :salute
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: FBDragon on December 15, 2016, 03:29:43 AM
Fly it like you stole it!!!! :devil :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: nooby52 on December 15, 2016, 06:50:09 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: waystin2 on December 15, 2016, 07:26:47 AM
First response from my fellow Pigs...

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It is a privilege that these guys allow me to lead them.  They follow because they choose to, not because they are told to. 

Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: branch37 on December 15, 2016, 09:14:05 AM
Couldn't have said it better way.


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Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: LilMak on December 15, 2016, 11:15:24 AM
There is no way I would've followed that order and said so in another thread. What's troubling is two squads participated in that fiasco.
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Stampf on December 15, 2016, 11:26:24 AM
There is no way I would've followed that order and said so in another thread. What's troubling is two squads participated in that fiasco.

I would have been on the other end of this situation if ever giving an order like that.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/stampf.jpg)

...and damn glad of it. 

Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: puller on December 15, 2016, 11:36:48 AM
If you are given a BS assignment, you find some way to make it fun...be it suicide style fighter attack, or suicide style bombing run...or some other idea that will end your night in a blaze of glory...

Not avoid combat for sake of points...

I don't think I could order my guys to avoid combat...

I have a very hard time trying to keep them on task when we are after only bombers...sawzaw starts having fits and such when we see fighters and I tell them to leave them alone
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Becinhu on December 15, 2016, 12:19:30 PM
I'm a fan of "repeat please" as I dive in solo


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Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: captain1ma on December 15, 2016, 06:18:11 PM
my guys follow me because I threaten to give away their sheep if they don't!!!!!

for us, no job too small, no plane too ugly and hopefully it has room in the back for sheep!!
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Vulcan on December 16, 2016, 01:36:38 PM
I'm a fan of "repeat please" as I dive in solo


It's "say ag n u b king up"
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: lunatic1 on December 16, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
I have flown in 1 fso and 2 or 3 scenarios as a axis squad and all we did for an hour was climb to 25-30k fly in circles burrowing holes in the sky. I don't know if it was a squad leader dicision or a cic problem but it seemed like this squad was being kept from engaging in combat...if I was to fly in scenarios or fso again it would be allies only..because it seems I can't fly fly german iron worth a crap
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Devil 505 on December 16, 2016, 02:48:52 PM
I have flown in 1 fso and 2 or 3 scenarios as a axis squad and all we did for an hour was climb to 25-30k fly in circles burrowing holes in the sky. I don't know if it was a squad leader dicision or a cic problem but it seemed like this squad was being kept from engaging in combat...if I was to fly in scenarios or fso again it would be allies only..because it seems I can't fly fly german iron worth a crap

It was a CiC decision to have us as scouts. The biggest factor in scout selection is squad size. As a small squad, I usually get scout duty twice a month. It's easy for a CiC to tell a small squad to patrol a certain area and not worry about breaking up a larger squad to do the job that only requires a few guys. It blows to be sure - makes recruitment a impossible. Sucks having to tell you or the others "Come on back next week. It usually does not suck this bad."
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: nooby52 on December 16, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
It's "say ag n u b king up"

LOL, I see what you did there. Had to read it several times.  :rofl
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Zoney on December 16, 2016, 04:15:04 PM
It was a CiC decision to have us as scouts. The biggest factor in scout selection is squad size. As a small squad, I usually get scout duty twice a month. It's easy for a CiC to tell a small squad to patrol a certain area and not worry about breaking up a larger squad to do the job that only requires a few guys. It blows to be sure - makes recruitment a impossible. Sucks having to tell you or the others "Come on back next week. It usually does not suck this bad."

Hang in there Devil.  It will get better.  You have a great start with your squad and it will grow and your tasks will improve.  If I was not in JG11 I would be flying with your squad.  I think you are doing a great job sir.   :salute
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Devil 505 on December 16, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
Hang in there Devil.  It will get better.  You have a great start with your squad and it will grow and your tasks will improve.  If I was not in JG11 I would be flying with your squad.  I think you are doing a great job sir.   :salute

Appreciate it, Zoney.  :salute
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: TheBug on December 16, 2016, 05:04:53 PM
Devil, make an offer.  I'm sure we can work out a deal for Zoney.
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: Frodo on December 16, 2016, 06:10:22 PM
 :rofl   
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: SIK1 on December 16, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
 :rofl  :bolt:
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: captain1ma on December 16, 2016, 11:53:13 PM
i bid 2 sheep, a goat and a set of used lederhosen!!
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: FBDragon on December 17, 2016, 03:10:10 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: FBDragon on December 17, 2016, 03:16:34 AM
I for one don't have a problem following orders. Just ask Devil but ordering me to fly around for 2 hours or so and land for the sake of points---- NOT!!!!! I'm sorry that's an order I can't follow, put me in front of the firing squad if I live and make it back!!!!! I'm gonna attack something!!! :devil :salute
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: RufusLeaking on December 17, 2016, 01:03:49 PM
I for one don't have a problem following orders. Just ask Devil but ordering me to fly around for 2 hours or so and land for the sake of points---- NOT!!!!! I'm sorry that's an order I can't follow, put me in front of the firing squad if I live and make it back!!!!! I'm gonna attack something!!! :devil :salute
(emphasis added)

I am all for scoring points and winning, but to keep planes out of contact is gaming the system.

Scoring should be legitimate.

Play the cards that were dealt.

Most importantly, have fun.

As for following orders or not, it adds to the immersion of the fog of war. Frame 3 had us as recon in defense. We took our D3A recon mission and ended up over the enemy base. A "reconnaissance in force."
Title: Re: How many dead horses to beat
Post by: guncrasher on December 17, 2016, 09:19:08 PM
about 70% of all my fso has been in crappy planes and I hated the missions.  I always keep coming back as often as I can hoping to get in a better ride.

of all the crappy rides I probably died 99% of the time.  but had I been given an order to circle and land, I would have just bailed right there and go watch tv.

but that's easy for me to say.  I know some of those guys who did it and they are stand up guys.  when given the order they probably looked at each other and said wtf.  but never given an order like that before they followed it.

let's move on and learn from this.


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