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Title: Need More Rooks
Post by: 49ZERO on December 16, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
Ever since aces high 3 came out rook numbers have fallen. I know many players have to fly with eny penalty and also many players want more fighting action. The eny problem and lack of battles can be solved by some of you to fly rook. I understand country loyalty but what good is that if the game play sucks. What I am asking for is some of you to fly for the rooks to increase the fun factor and balance the game. I will offer all that come over to rooks free encouragement. I will also praise your accomplishments and say sweet things about you. There is no 401k but I'm hoping you will settle for 30k. I also offer a discount on all perk planes and tanks during non peak hours. You will also get many more bases to defend and a increase in kills and personal score. Free challenge of seeing if you can actually make a difference in the constant loosing of every map. Last but not least you will get to see a friendly red flag. All kidding set aside everyone would win by increasing rook numbers because it would lead to better game play.         
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: LilMak on December 16, 2016, 11:31:24 AM
56th already switched. I'll be expecting my 30k in small bills.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 16, 2016, 11:32:25 AM
I'd actually agree rooks do seem to have the lowest numbers most often. But when I'm on its the morning when Bish have always normally had the numbers (Jokers get a big turnout) and Tuesday/weekend nights...POTW/JG11 ect ect Knight squads have big turnouts.

Wouldn't min seeing the hour rule come back so the country hopping squads come back and even it out a bit.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Randy1 on December 16, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
We Rooks could use a few more players but as underdogs we can still have fun kicking around the bigger countries.  Not easy, we will not win many maps but we sure can be a thorn in their sides.

Yesterday we had the bish chasing us all over the map.

The only way we can win maps is to have more people involved in base captures.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: lunatic1 on December 16, 2016, 02:00:55 PM
Wouldn't min seeing the hour rule come back so the country hopping squads come back and even it out a bit..junky I think this would lead to spying---if a country is hiding a cv, 1 could switch and tell comrades where it is-- could alert noe missions etc.

I think 3 hrs would be better but still could have a spy
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Devil 505 on December 16, 2016, 02:10:51 PM
Wouldn't min seeing the hour rule come back so the country hopping squads come back and even it out a bit..junky I think this would lead to spying---if a country is hiding a cv, 1 could switch and tell comrades where it is-- could alert noe missions etc.

I think 3 hrs would be better but still could have a spy

If they're hiding the CV it deserves to be sunk.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 16, 2016, 02:22:07 PM
If they're hiding the CV it deserves to be sunk.
Truth
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Wiley on December 16, 2016, 02:24:49 PM
Wouldn't min seeing the hour rule come back so the country hopping squads come back and even it out a bit..junky I think this would lead to spying---if a country is hiding a cv, 1 could switch and tell comrades where it is-- could alert noe missions etc.

I think 3 hrs would be better but still could have a spy

What's the worst that can happen if there is a spy?  Enemies show up and a fight breaks out?  I'm... not seeing an issue here.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 16, 2016, 02:28:29 PM
What's the worst that can happen if there is a spy?  Enemies show up and a fight breaks out?  I'm... not seeing an issue here.

Wiley.
That and I also doubt it happens as much as people think.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: whiteman on December 16, 2016, 03:15:20 PM
Sure makes it easy to find something to shoot at, sometimes more than I can aim at.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: 49ZERO on December 16, 2016, 03:28:22 PM
The 1 hour would have no impact on spying since anyone with a second account or a friend can reveal cv locations. The ability to even out numbers would be awesome to have much more action and ponies for all.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: DubiousKB on December 16, 2016, 04:11:37 PM
56th already switched. I'll be expecting my 30k in small bills.

Last time he accepted perk points for a bribe, the rest of the 56th never saw any... curious....  :salute
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: MrGeezer on December 16, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Rooks aren't going to fight the knights anyway so what difference does it make?
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: puller on December 16, 2016, 07:01:06 PM
Rooks aren't going to fight the knights anyway so what difference does it make?

This  :aok
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 16, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
Rooks aren't going to fight the knights anyway so what difference does it make?
Knights have owned 30+% of Rooks on 2 maps within a week
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: bozon on December 17, 2016, 12:50:46 AM
No.
Every player that switches to Rook is one less target and one more green that I need to race for the kills.

Rooks welcome C47 pilots that will switch and act as target magnets.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Randy1 on December 17, 2016, 08:28:28 AM
The problem with the one hour rule is not the spies.  It is switching countries to find a fight that makes for low risk, easy kills.  Side switchers are rarely interested in winning a map.  There are those that switch to help defend bases but they are a minority.

I think a lot of the bish numbers comes from player just interested on being on the winning side.  Odd though, it has to be the most boring play in the game.  Often you will see giant red dar bars across the maps and no greens.  They are just hovering over their base waiting on a stray green or sweeping the area for  rare GVs.  I just as soon the bish and knits keep those players.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: 49ZERO on December 17, 2016, 09:03:39 AM
If you want to fly with high eny or fight with over whelming numbers and have to wait for a fight then by all means stay bish or knight. If you want more enemy to shoot at and more battle action and up all aircraft then I would strongly suggest flying rook for awhile. The more competitive the game becomes the better it is to play. The ones that live for easy kills should stay with the country that has a 2 or 3 to 1 advantage.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: caldera on December 17, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
If you want to fly with high eny or fight with over whelming numbers and have to wait for a fight then by all means stay bish or knight. If you want more enemy to shoot at and more battle action and up all aircraft then I would strongly suggest flying rook for awhile. The more competitive the game becomes the better it is to play. The ones that live for easy kills should stay with the country that has a 2 or 3 to 1 advantage.

If you want to fly high ENY planes (and rack up crazy perks) against overwhelming numbers, fly rook.   :D
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: lunatic1 on December 17, 2016, 11:36:16 AM
I could have sworn that it was rooks attacking knights from A18 to A55 yesterday-and not watching their back door when bish took A18 while there were still rooks fighting knights--then knights where fighting knights from A18 to A55. rooks and knights fight every day.

so if I were to switch from knights to r or b I would be expected to spy? I don't play that way. I fly for the country I'm on.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: guncrasher on December 17, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
zero just throwing this out there, you ever wonder if the reason the rooks have low numbers is because those who left dont want you there?



semp
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Molsman on December 18, 2016, 12:02:53 AM
All Countries need more numbers and More Cowbell!!!!! I flew Bish for a few months got used to high ENY loved it but my heart was a nit so went back home
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: bozon on December 18, 2016, 03:24:04 AM
I could have sworn that it was rooks attacking knights from A18 to A55 yesterday-and not watching their back door when bish took A18 while there were still rooks fighting knights--then knights where fighting knights from A18 to A55. rooks and knights fight every day.
Rooks were fighting Knit in the air over A55 and couldn't be bothered to defend against Bish GVs at A18. Then the Bish took A55 too with tanks, while the Rooks and Knights were still dogfighting in the air. For a few minutes we had a glorious 3-sided air combat.

The fun ended when the Bish capture A55 because the Knits did not have a nearby air base and the Bish don't put up much of a fight in the air.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zimme83 on December 18, 2016, 04:48:56 AM
But we had a fun fight at V150 after that, i think i had my sherman parked under a tree for two hours picking off Bish tanks and M3:s rolling onto the base..
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: FESS67 on December 18, 2016, 06:24:19 AM
zero just throwing this out there, you ever wonder if the reason the rooks have low numbers is because those who left dont want you there?



semp

Truth.  Lol.  A squad that for the last 12 to 18 months made it a mission to piss off as many people as possible now asks for people to help out and make the game fun? How does that bed you made feel?
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zimme83 on December 18, 2016, 07:47:21 AM
Rooks arent so bad, there are some pretty good sticks on the Rook side. And pipz.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zardoz on December 18, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Truth.  Lol.  A squad that for the last 12 to 18 months made it a mission to piss off as many people as possible now asks for people to help out and make the game fun? How does that bed you made feel?

I am a proud 49'er. I would not have remained in the game if not for them. They have taught me so much about the game. No one is trying to piss anyone off. I can't, of course, speak for individual members because it is such a huge squad. But our primary focus is always to have a good time, not to make people angry.

And anyone who has a problem with Mr. Zero is gonna have a problem with me.  :salute
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: redcatcherb412 on December 18, 2016, 02:06:21 PM
Rooks aren't going to fight the knights anyway so what difference does it make?
The sheer number of times i've been killed by dr7  at a spawn renders that statement moot for me  :x :rofl
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: ACE on December 18, 2016, 02:12:58 PM
You got some very big squads that are loyal to one country. Why? I have no idea. When they have their squad nights or just nighttime US rooks do get out numbered. These squads should switch once a week month or something.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 18, 2016, 03:23:32 PM
You got some very big squads that are loyal to one country. Why? I have no idea. When they have their squad nights or just nighttime US rooks do get out numbered. These squads should switch once a week month or something.
The problem is when the switches happen they aren't cross squad cordinated so you end up with a lot on Knights or rooks or bish all at the same time. POTW switched rook a few months back because a lot of squads came to knight land.....right now the issue is arguably the 3 largest most active squads for prime time are all on Knights currently (JG11, POTW, G3MF) HTC couldn't control that....we just got to deal with it until side switch time is lowered...which absolutely would help ENY these days.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: ACE on December 18, 2016, 03:37:05 PM
The problem is when the switches happen they aren't cross squad cordinated so you end up with a lot on Knights or rooks or bish all at the same time. POTW switched rook a few months back because a lot of squads came to knight land.....right now the issue is arguably the 3 largest most active squads for prime time are all on Knights currently (JG11, POTW, G3MF) HTC couldn't control that....we just got to deal with it until side switch time is lowered...which absolutely would help ENY these days.

If one of these squads switched sides for a month or so it wouldn't affect anything negatively. What's the deal about being loyal to a virtual country.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 18, 2016, 03:38:12 PM
The problem is when the switches happen they aren't cross squad cordinated so you end up with a lot on Knights or rooks or bish all at the same time. POTW switched rook a few months back because a lot of squads came to knight land.....right now the issue is arguably the 3 largest most active squads for prime time are all on Knights currently (JG11, POTW, G3MF) HTC couldn't control that....we just got to deal with it until side switch time is lowered...which absolutely would help ENY these days.

The side switch time isn't going to be lowered again, so you might as well just forget anyone ever thought of that idea. Some of you guys seem to LIKE to bang your head against the wall on this, it just baffles me why you continue.

On the other hand, you have the makings of a fix, move your squad! If you find the times you fly squad nights....or the time the majority of your squadmates fly that you have ENY issues, are flying with a horde going against lightly defended bases wouldn't it make sense that one of the over sized squads switch permanently, or until another imbalance bring it back up again??

Im sure this would be easier if these squads hadn't grown so large. Maybe the pigs could rearrange their members so they have a Euro time group, an east coast time group and a west coast time group. Then each squad could pick the team that works best in that time zone to alleviate ENY or lack of fight issues.

A lot of this can be worked out by the players. If they refuse to adjust then they are going to be stuck, like everyone else with poor game play options.   
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: ACE on December 18, 2016, 03:42:03 PM
As much as I don't like the 12 hour rule it's not going to change. So it's a dead horse. It's not hard to message another squad and cordinate a switch. Our squad The Few have always rotat d countries once a month just to combat this problem.  I hate it when we get to the knights because it's very over crowded. I almost always switch to find a fight anyways.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 18, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
As much as I don't like the 12 hour rule it's not going to change. So it's a dead horse. It's not hard to message another squad and cordinate a switch. Our squad The Few have always rotat d countries once a month just to combat this problem.  I hate it when we get to the knights because it's very over crowded. I almost always switch to find a fight anyways.

Its a 6 hour rule.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: guncrasher on December 18, 2016, 03:55:50 PM
If one of these squads switched sides for a month or so it wouldn't affect anything negatively. What's the deal about being loyal to a virtual country.

well me for once I dont like the 49th and they are rook and I hate the bishops.  so that leaves me with the knights.

as for not switching what is the big deal.  well if you dont know you the answer, you'll never understand it.

semp
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: ACE on December 18, 2016, 04:44:40 PM
well me for once I dont like the 49th and they are rook and I hate the bishops.  so that leaves me with the knights.

as for not switching what is the big deal.  well if you dont know you the answer, you'll never understand it.

semp

I mean if you like flying in hordes of greens then I guess you have a point.  But saying you hate the bishops you have the problem in this situation and you ain't helping.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: guncrasher on December 18, 2016, 04:53:24 PM
I mean if you like flying in hordes of greens then I guess you have a point.  But saying you hate the bishops you have the problem in this situation and you ain't helping.

well I am not in the squad the switched countries and causes everybody to leave.  that aint helping either.


semp
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: ACE on December 18, 2016, 04:55:24 PM
well I am not in the squad the switched countries and causes everybody to leave.  that aint helping either.


semp

I'm not gonna waste anymore time with your logic lol. Have a good one.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zimme83 on December 18, 2016, 05:04:17 PM
I still don't see the problem, even if you are in a squad you can switch countries, it's fun to kill squadies too.  :D
You take this game way too seriously.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Oldman731 on December 18, 2016, 06:54:49 PM
well me for once I dont like the 49th and they are rook and I hate the bishops. 


Some might say you are taking this game way too seriously.

- oldman 

- Just sayin' (t/m Pasha)
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 18, 2016, 11:00:01 PM
If one of these squads switched sides for a month or so it wouldn't affect anything negatively. What's the deal about being loyal to a virtual country.
Not saying any of them are loyal to one side or the other...its that they aren't coordinated with each other so they end up on the same side as the others which causes a big shift in numbers during certain time of day.

The side switch time isn't going to be lowered again, so you might as well just forget anyone ever thought of that idea. Some of you guys seem to LIKE to bang your head against the wall on this, it just baffles me why you continue.

On the other hand, you have the makings of a fix, move your squad! If you find the times you fly squad nights....or the time the majority of your squadmates fly that you have ENY issues, are flying with a horde going against lightly defended bases wouldn't it make sense that one of the over sized squads switch permanently, or until another imbalance bring it back up again??

Im sure this would be easier if these squads hadn't grown so large. Maybe the pigs could rearrange their members so they have a Euro time group, an east coast time group and a west coast time group. Then each squad could pick the team that works best in that time zone to alleviate ENY or lack of fight issues.

A lot of this can be worked out by the players. If they refuse to adjust then they are going to be stuck, like everyone else with poor game play options.   
POTW has already done this to even out the numbers....The flat out fact your saying the players have to do something to fix it should make it clear that HTC should rethink its decision...

I'll beat this horse until its changed or the ENY threads stop popping up on the BBS....how many of the ENY threads we have this week 2? 2 last week??? Seems to me like we've had one started ever week this year...by different people none the less.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: save on December 19, 2016, 02:40:49 AM
Depending on the squad identity (in our case fly loose deuce) and sharing the same teamspeak makes it kinda messy.
We switch to Knights 2 months per year.


I still don't see the problem, even if you are in a squad you can switch countries, it's fun to kill squadies too.  :D
You take this game way too seriously.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2016, 05:08:49 AM
That and I also doubt it happens as much as people think.

This!
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: awrabbit on December 19, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
Fellers, Some of you remember me, and some of you dont and some of you could care less <G>


I have been flying Rooks for the last couple weeks.  the Rooks could be much more effective with more team work among the people.  The low numbers dont mean crap with a well organized force. breaking off 2 groups to fight both fronts can be effective if both groups are well organized.

Some Great Squadrons on the Rook side and they could organize the masses and make this happen. they have great leadership that is respected.

I would like to get with some folks and find a find some wingies so that I can be more effective and assist in the war effort. it could just be a couple people that want to  fly together with me through the whole sortie and we are commuted to keeping each other clear.

I dive into a fight and hold my own pretty good 1v1 or even 1v2 but, it seems like I get deserted and end up getting knocked down by someone that bounces me while I am engaged.

with a dedicated wingman for me things would be more enjoyable. but it always seems that it is everyone for themselves. base taking is great. and I totally support those efforts. and would fly cap for that activity anytime.  I am not a GVer or a Buff driver. my job is to get my wingman home to land his kills. 

I switched over to knits the night before last and its the same thing.   When I flew AH and other sims before I was always in a squadron that stuck together and could wing up and fly sound tactics and rtb with scalps or at least my wingman would be landing scalps. at my level of gunnery right now I would even fly #2 and keep the leads 6 clear while he worked over the enemy. if my wing man lands kills and gets home safe then its a win for me too.

the quality of the pilots here in AH are no joke.  good SA and sound tactics are not going to save you without strong teamwork and a couple wingies that you can fly with when I am up.   I would say that i dont mind being a lone wolf at times but, I am feeling like I am on my own all of the time. and end of at the lead of a conga line or being bounced by someone when i am engaged in another fight.  and it gets discouraging. Back in the old days there was always someone willing to give me a shout and wing up with me.

when I was with the 412th we were a scary force and could dominate and dictate battles outcome and protect our buffs and ground units.   is there still anyone at all out there? I would love to join a solid Squadron with this kind of team work.  maybe a little looser but with dedication to protecting each other, not getting killed and having to replane and land scalps. although I have been in many squads I am not a squad hopper.... I have just been around for so long that I have been part of a lot of good groups and once again would like to be part of another. anyone who knows me and has flown with me knows that I take a wing man assignment very serious and I am dedicated to squad operations.


<End Rant>

Rabbit

Former

412th Braunco Mustangs

Damned

Smoking Wrecks

Foreign Legion : this Squad would switch sides if numbers were low to assist low number country.

The Questionables <?> : This Squad would do the same as above.

Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: waystin2 on December 19, 2016, 09:41:34 AM
If they're hiding the CV it deserves to be sunk.
:aok
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zardoz on December 19, 2016, 01:10:08 PM
Fellers, Some of you remember me, and some of you dont and some of you could care less <G>


I have been flying Rooks for the last couple weeks.  the Rooks could be much more effective with more team work among the people.  The low numbers dont mean crap with a well organized force. breaking off 2 groups to fight both fronts can be effective if both groups are well organized.

Some Great Squadrons on the Rook side and they could organize the masses and make this happen. they have great leadership that is respected.

I would like to get with some folks and find a find some wingies so that I can be more effective and assist in the war effort. it could just be a couple people that want to  fly together with me through the whole sortie and we are commuted to keeping each other clear.

I dive into a fight and hold my own pretty good 1v1 or even 1v2 but, it seems like I get deserted and end up getting knocked down by someone that bounces me while I am engaged.

with a dedicated wingman for me things would be more enjoyable. but it always seems that it is everyone for themselves. base taking is great. and I totally support those efforts. and would fly cap for that activity anytime.  I am not a GVer or a Buff driver. my job is to get my wingman home to land his kills. 

I switched over to knits the night before last and its the same thing.   When I flew AH and other sims before I was always in a squadron that stuck together and could wing up and fly sound tactics and rtb with scalps or at least my wingman would be landing scalps. at my level of gunnery right now I would even fly #2 and keep the leads 6 clear while he worked over the enemy. if my wing man lands kills and gets home safe then its a win for me too.

the quality of the pilots here in AH are no joke.  good SA and sound tactics are not going to save you without strong teamwork and a couple wingies that you can fly with when I am up.   I would say that i dont mind being a lone wolf at times but, I am feeling like I am on my own all of the time. and end of at the lead of a conga line or being bounced by someone when i am engaged in another fight.  and it gets discouraging. Back in the old days there was always someone willing to give me a shout and wing up with me.

when I was with the 412th we were a scary force and could dominate and dictate battles outcome and protect our buffs and ground units.   is there still anyone at all out there? I would love to join a solid Squadron with this kind of team work.  maybe a little looser but with dedication to protecting each other, not getting killed and having to replane and land scalps. although I have been in many squads I am not a squad hopper.... I have just been around for so long that I have been part of a lot of good groups and once again would like to be part of another. anyone who knows me and has flown with me knows that I take a wing man assignment very serious and I am dedicated to squad operations.


<End Rant>

Rabbit

Former

412th Braunco Mustangs

Damned

Smoking Wrecks

Foreign Legion : this Squad would switch sides if numbers were low to assist low number country.

The Questionables <?> : This Squad would do the same as above.

 :salute

The Rooks are amazingly unorganized. I am agreement that we could win a lot more maps, despite the numbers. I would be very interested in finding ways to increase the teamwork. 
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zardoz on December 19, 2016, 01:12:24 PM
And 49Zardoz is a poor shot and always needs a wingman  :grin:
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 19, 2016, 03:27:28 PM

POTW has already done this to even out the numbers....The flat out fact your saying the players have to do something to fix it should make it clear that HTC should rethink its decision...

Ah yes, the pigs made it what, 2 weeks as rooks? I never said the players have to do anything. Your the one that is pizzing and moaning here and I pointed out an option for you to fix it. As a Rook, I very rarely have an ENY issue, and when on those very rare occasions we do have an ENY hit I just switch to another plane. As for fights, unfortunately we seem to only have hordes dropping down on us repeatedly, but many targets is better than none. You go ahead and enjoy your self flying WITH the horde crying about your ENY hit.

Quote
I'll beat this horse until its changed or the ENY threads stop popping up on the BBS....how many of the ENY threads we have this week 2? 2 last week??? Seems to me like we've had one started ever week this year...by different people none the less.

What is the definition of insanity? I'm thinking your a clinical case. Doing the same thing over and over again EXPECTING different results. The time for the side switch isn't going to change, period.

ENY threads only pop up from those players who are on Bish most often, and lately on Knights.  They are happy to have that over whelming force to help them roll the map, but heaven forbid they have to deal with ENY. You cant have one with out the other. Again, you don't want an ENY hit, join the team with the least numbers, lately its been the Rooks. 

I wanted to add, Im not picking on the Pigs here. Im just pointing out an option for some of you to get away from ENY issues and lack of fights. I don't know why you guys went back to Knights after your brief visit. I flew Bishops for years until I finally left the 444th Air Mafia. I flew Knights for a bit, then switch to Rooks and pretty much have been here for years now. I understand the "country loyalty". But if the game isn't fun , maybe a change would help not only you, but others in the game.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: awrabbit on December 19, 2016, 03:59:38 PM
And 49Zardoz is a poor shot and always needs a wingman  :grin:

I am a terrible shot too :)  might work out. between us we can get some kills.

Zardoz I will wing up with ya anytime :)





Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Zardoz on December 19, 2016, 05:59:43 PM
 :salute
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 20, 2016, 12:50:03 PM
Ah yes, the pigs made it what, 2 weeks as rooks? I never said the players have to do anything. Your the one that is pizzing and moaning here and I pointed out an option for you to fix it. As a Rook, I very rarely have an ENY issue, and when on those very rare occasions we do have an ENY hit I just switch to another plane. As for fights, unfortunately we seem to only have hordes dropping down on us repeatedly, but many targets is better than none. You go ahead and enjoy your self flying WITH the horde crying about your ENY hit.

What is the definition of insanity? I'm thinking your a clinical case. Doing the same thing over and over again EXPECTING different results. The time for the side switch isn't going to change, period.

ENY threads only pop up from those players who are on Bish most often, and lately on Knights.  They are happy to have that over whelming force to help them roll the map, but heaven forbid they have to deal with ENY. You cant have one with out the other. Again, you don't want an ENY hit, join the team with the least numbers, lately its been the Rooks. 

I wanted to add, Im not picking on the Pigs here. Im just pointing out an option for some of you to get away from ENY issues and lack of fights. I don't know why you guys went back to Knights after your brief visit. I flew Bishops for years until I finally left the 444th Air Mafia. I flew Knights for a bit, then switch to Rooks and pretty much have been here for years now. I understand the "country loyalty". But if the game isn't fun , maybe a change would help not only you, but others in the game.
First off...A Rook started this thread seeing that 49ers are probably like Pigs when you ask them what country they fly for...not country loyal but home based is Rooks(For 49ers) as Knights is the home base for POTW....ENY jumps around just like squads do except now we dont have any of the quick jump squads...like AoM...BKs...the 80th doesnt move as much anymore....KN...ect ect ect....those squads were the ones that virtual died after the 12 hour rule was originally made and they were the ones who'd flex the quickest to the other side to even out the fight...problem is you cant anymore...we started getting numbers just recently at an awesome furballl and I wanted to switch over but like I said in another thread I dont want to have to make my switch immediately when I get back on and then not be able to switch for 6 hours.....DROP IT TO 2 or 3...but 6 hours is absolutely the insane thinking you are talking about...that just aint right.

Insane...maybe but who's truly insane, you guys thinking everything is going to be ok...when the numbers have been dropping steadily for the last what...8 years...or is it me who wants to ASK HTC for some change so we can get more people into the community and some of the old sticks out of retirement?

People do understand a lot of those old sticks are over playing Il2 and other games right???? Like the have groups of AH players who have formed squads in other games....blah maybe i am going insane.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: JunkyII on December 20, 2016, 04:07:54 PM
Eny just jumped from 0 to 27 with 15 minutes....can't change for 4 more hours....

Yep it's working great
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 20, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
First off...A Rook started this thread seeing that 49ers are probably like Pigs when you ask them what country they fly for...not country loyal but home based is Rooks(For 49ers) as Knights is the home base for POTW....ENY jumps around just like squads do except now we dont have any of the quick jump squads...like AoM...BKs...the 80th doesnt move as much anymore....KN...ect ect ect....those squads were the ones that virtual died after the 12 hour rule was originally made and they were the ones who'd flex the quickest to the other side to even out the fight...problem is you cant anymore...we started getting numbers just recently at an awesome furballl and I wanted to switch over but like I said in another thread I dont want to have to make my switch immediately when I get back on and then not be able to switch for 6 hours.....DROP IT TO 2 or 3...but 6 hours is absolutely the insane thinking you are talking about...that just aint right.

Insane...maybe but who's truly insane, you guys thinking everything is going to be ok...when the numbers have been dropping steadily for the last what...8 years...or is it me who wants to ASK HTC for some change so we can get more people into the community and some of the old sticks out of retirement?

People do understand a lot of those old sticks are over playing Il2 and other games right???? Like the have groups of AH players who have formed squads in other games....blah maybe i am going insane.

Yes a "Rook" started the tread, and he was asking for more rooks. I think his idea is sound. As an example if the Pigs find themselves always on the short end of the ENY stick, or they are tired of fighting ALWAYS having the superior numbers then maybe a switch to Rooks could help.

We had a 12 hour switch rule as the numbers were climbing to the point where HTC split the MA into two arenas and dropping the switch time then. And the reason he shorttened the switch time was so squads could switch to fly together when they jumped into the other MA. My guess is that it was the only way to make it work for the squads. Its not the switch time that has been driving players away for the last few years.

It is game play that has been driving them away, which is natural according to Hitech. Each player has a certain shelve life at which point they get bored and move on to something else. Those of us who hang around so much longer are those guys who like many aspects of the game. We don't get bored as easily due to the variety of play we do.

The reason the numbers continue to drop is we are no longer seeing the same influx of players. You use to be able to see when kids were on vacation by the jump in population in the game. Hopefully HTC has a play to get more players in.

Shortening the switch time isn't going to do anything but give instant gratification to a hand full of players. It certainly won't bring back the few players playing Il2 and other games.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: awrabbit on December 20, 2016, 09:14:23 PM
 I have to say some advertisement couldn't hurt.  ( Sorry HT but its true)

my son plays on steam several WW2 flight sims. 

they have a huge community but it is way to arcade like.  their squads have a hard time organizing and the flight models are one of the worst i have ever experienced.
would be great to get some new seals to club... im mean players to come over and check out a very good game with a great community.

with the new support and other new updates it would be cool to put it out there and see if we can increase the numbers.

in the old days there were a lot of organized squads that came from the other now defunct sims and we carried on and made a home here.  I am thankful AH is still going on after all of these years. and I hope that it keeps going forever.

AH to me is the best WW2 combat sim out there.  but, i have noticed that there is a lot more GV'ers than before but, hey if thats what ya like its here.

even with the lower averages numbers up each night it is still much more fun here than any other sim I have flown.

its great to see some old friends and meet some new friends.

now I have to remember the golden rule.......... 10000 deaths make a good virtual pilot :)  coming back after a long lay off I am once again a baby seal but, maybe this time it will only take me about 5000.  ( wishful thinking) <g>the learning curve is pretty steep here and you have to work at it to be proficient in AH. to me gunnery is the hardest part to get. a handle on.  but, the past month or so I have been back i have seen that it is starting to improve.  still not landing many kills but I am getting a lot of assists and able to help out when I can for my country.

the quality of pilots here in AH are top notch. and if you can hang with this group and hold your own then you are doing something.

much respect and having a great time.  I get frustrated because I want to be the terror that I used to be but, hey Im still having a lot of fun.

honored to fly with all of you. Rook, Bish and Knit.   

regards.


Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 20, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
Agreed Rabbit, HTC MUST advertise. They have to get the word out there of what they have here. Adding numbers will cure, or at least lessen the impact of the issues some of complain about here.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: awrabbit on December 20, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
I wonder what we can do to convince him?

we could start an AH go fund me page :)

I mean I have seen it done for crazier things <g>
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: FESS67 on December 21, 2016, 12:29:33 AM
Advertising will solve nothing.  HTC has built a reasonable game, one in which IMO people like us can have a lot of fun.  The problem lies in the actions of the players ans HTC can do little to influence that.  Side switch times is the obvious thing he can change.

It is the actions of individual players and squads that are the biggest factors in game play now and they can make or break the gaming session.

Remember the days of constant HQ radar destruction?  People would log on and struggle to find decent fights with no Dar bars to help them.  They would spend hours fixing the Dar only to have it dropped soon after.  The squad responsible was very proud of their prowess at doing this and took great pleasure in making the game session less than enjoyable.

Many people simply logged off in frustration and I wonder how many just did not bother to come back?  Those actions were probably enough to be the last straw for a lot of players and here we have that squad now asking the community for help.

I rambled a bit there.  My point is this,  build a better community and players will come.  Take pleasure in briefing the community and players will leave.  That is very much up to you, not HTC
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Vraciu on December 21, 2016, 01:44:14 AM
Eny just jumped from 0 to 27 with 15 minutes....can't change for 4 more hours....

Yep it's working great

This.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: popeye on December 21, 2016, 10:50:35 AM
Advertising would probably bring in new players to at least give AH a try.  However, there remain some pesky bugs that should be fixed before inviting new people:

1.  The WTF building at the end of the runway needs to be dealt with.  Auto take-off must work for newbies.
2.  The game needs to be more stable.  Still too many CTDs, stutters, freezes, etc.  We are used to these and are waiting patiently for the fix, but newbies will be turned off.

I'm guessing that HTC will hold off on advertising until these (and other?) issues are resolved.

Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: whiteman on December 21, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
Advertising would probably bring in new players to at least give AH a try.  However, there remain some pesky bugs that should be fixed before inviting new people:

1.  The WTF building at the end of the runway needs to be dealt with.  Auto take-off must work for newbies.
2.  The game needs to be more stable.  Still too many CTDs, stutters, freezes, etc.  We are used to these and are waiting patiently for the fix, but newbies will be turned off.

I'm guessing that HTC will hold off on advertising until these (and other?) issues are resolved.



I'm back after about 2 years, the building at the end of the run way has been easily avoidable and have yet to disco or have any kind of stutters.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Vraciu on December 21, 2016, 11:54:38 AM
I'm back after about 2 years, the building at the end of the run way has been easily avoidable and have yet to disco or have any kind of stutters.

^^^^^^^
Missing the point. 

Oh well. 
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Shuffler on December 21, 2016, 11:56:57 AM
^^^^^^^
Missing the point. 

Oh well.

No... I believe he was missing the building.  :neener:
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Vraciu on December 21, 2016, 12:18:05 PM
No... I believe he was missing the building.  :neener:

 :rofl
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: waystin2 on December 21, 2016, 12:19:43 PM
FSO
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: ACE on December 21, 2016, 02:47:16 PM
FSO
Is a blast
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: waystin2 on December 21, 2016, 04:41:58 PM
Is a blast
:aok
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: bustr on December 22, 2016, 12:36:13 PM
HuH! Hey Waystin, how come you can lead POTW into the side of canyons during jabo runs in the MA but, have never lead all of us into that tiny building on the end of the runway in all the FSO scenarios we follow you through? Am I missing something here? Waystin are you holding out on us and not sharing something reeeeaaallly "special"........ :O

And, and, I never see all of those 30 to 50 planes stacked up on the FSO runway running into that tiny building either. I'm sooo confused, are we all missing something realllyyyy good here??????
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: captain1ma on December 22, 2016, 12:40:35 PM
JG54 uses the buildings to take off the landing gear on stuka's. its gamey, but it works! LOL!!! :devil  D3A's too!
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: waystin2 on December 22, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
JG54 uses the buildings to take off the landing gear on stuka's. its gamey, but it works! LOL!!! :devil  D3A's too!
It's also great for removing the outer part of Hurricane IID's wings when doing an "OMG THERE IS AN ENEMY TANK ON THE RUNWAY" take off.  :airplane:  :uhoh
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: captain1ma on December 22, 2016, 02:34:55 PM
and you can hid an M16 or wirble behind it, and when the planes take off, you can drill them!!
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Shuffler on December 23, 2016, 12:50:36 PM
HuH! Hey Waystin, how come you can lead POTW into the side of canyons during jabo runs in the MA but, have never lead all of us into that tiny building on the end of the runway in all the FSO scenarios we follow you through? Am I missing something here? Waystin are you holding out on us and not sharing something reeeeaaallly "special"........ :O

And, and, I never see all of those 30 to 50 planes stacked up on the FSO runway running into that tiny building either. I'm sooo confused, are we all missing something realllyyyy good here??????

He's a closet building banger....... just maybe.   :neener:
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Chalenge on December 23, 2016, 03:33:13 PM
If Rooks need more players then please ask Kilroy to join your team. He loves winning map resets and that's always what the whole country is after. I prefer losing to a constant 29 ENY.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Becinhu on December 23, 2016, 04:31:58 PM
Logged in last night to see a two to one against both rooks and bishops. Knights had everyone doubled up. Flew to nearest furball with knights....every plane I tried to engage dove to the deck and ran. I landed and logged. 2-1 advantage and no one would fight. Kinda hard to even out the numbers that way.


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Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Chalenge on December 23, 2016, 05:33:48 PM
I have been flying with the knights the last two days. There are some really talented guys, but there are also a lot of guys that cannot communicate (terrible comm noise), have a hard time controlling their aircraft, and so on. Most of the guys that you encounter online do not even know there is a BBS here, and do not care to find it anyway. It is very hard to even help people in those situations.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: EagleDNY on December 23, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Here I come to save the day....  at least for tonite.   
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: whiteman on December 24, 2016, 03:04:23 PM
Like some else said, the rooks need more coordination. With out that I don't see how their not gonna be backed up to their last fields each map.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: syko on December 27, 2016, 11:27:22 AM
Ah yes, the pigs made it what, 2 weeks as rooks? I never said the players have to do anything. Your the one that is pizzing and moaning here and I pointed out an option for you to fix it. As a Rook, I very rarely have an ENY issue, and when on those very rare occasions we do have an ENY hit I just switch to another plane. As for fights, unfortunately we seem to only have hordes dropping down on us repeatedly, but many targets is better than none. You go ahead and enjoy your self flying WITH the horde crying about your ENY hit.

What is the definition of insanity? I'm thinking your a clinical case. Doing the same thing over and over again EXPECTING different results. The time for the side switch isn't going to change, period.

ENY threads only pop up from those players who are on Bish most often, and lately on Knights.  They are happy to have that over whelming force to help them roll the map, but heaven forbid they have to deal with ENY. You cant have one with out the other. Again, you don't want an ENY hit, join the team with the least numbers, lately its been the Rooks. 

I wanted to add, Im not picking on the Pigs here. Im just pointing out an option for some of you to get away from ENY issues and lack of fights. I don't know why you guys went back to Knights after your brief visit. I flew Bishops for years until I finally left the 444th Air Mafia. I flew Knights for a bit, then switch to Rooks and pretty much have been here for years now. I understand the "country loyalty". But if the game isn't fun , maybe a change would help not only you, but others in the game.
 



So what's the real issue The Fugitive. I pay a monthly fee to play this game the way I want and If that means go to the rooks to for a few hours to have some fun so be it, who are you to say other wise? . It is a game So STFU... why you comment at all is beyond me are you jealous of our squad?  We grace you with our presence when we visit. And another thing When you my subscription then you can spout off other wise stuff it up your  (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/farting/super-fart.gif)
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: guncrasher on December 27, 2016, 02:14:16 PM
the problem with fugitive is that he thinks they only proper way to play the game is his way.


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Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Oldman731 on December 27, 2016, 03:19:28 PM
the problem with fugitive is that he thinks they only proper way to play the game is his way.


Heh.  Good thing none of the rest of us is like that.

- oldman
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2016, 04:19:04 PM
 



So what's the real issue The Fugitive. I pay a monthly fee to play this game the way I want and If that means go to the rooks to for a few hours to have some fun so be it, who are you to say other wise? . It is a game So STFU... why you comment at all is beyond me are you jealous of our squad?  We grace you with our presence when we visit. And another thing When you my subscription then you can spout off other wise stuff it up your  (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/farting/super-fart.gif)


The only reason I used the pigs as an example was because Junky .... a pig... was  one of the most vocal about the issues of lack of fights and ENY. I as well as many others were happy to see the Pigs move over and only wished they had stayed longer. It evened up the side a bit and the rooks were getting hammered by the horde again.

I know your lack of intelligence may cause you to have problems following a thread as complicated as this one  :rolleyes: so you might want to crawl back under your rock and let the adults discuss things here. I was trying to help, you are just being an ....ah well you did show us a picture of your face. Welcome to the ignore list.

the problem with fugitive is that he thinks they only proper way to play the game is his way.


semp

Is this the only sentence you know how to type? I have said a number of times in this thread that I don't have a problem with ENY, rooks are out number most of the time, nor do I have problems finding fights as we are more often than not under one horde or the other. I was just suggesting solutions  such as, a large squad might want to switch for more than a week or so to another country to avoid ENY and find more fights. As it is, the 56th has moved over to Rooks and it has been fun flying WITH them instead of getting shot down by them   :devil

Some people on these boards take things far too seriously.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: guncrasher on December 27, 2016, 04:37:52 PM

 I was just suggesting solutions  .


sorry I misunderstood, your solutions are more in the way, fly this way, or that way, sent 2 players this way.  which in other words is you now how everybody should play.

btw we did change to rooks not to long ago for more than a week.  and while it was fun, we did notice that we are a large group and we will change eny to whichever country we switch to when we have squad night.

but the question you seem to ignore is why did the rooks lost players to other countries?  could it be because a specific squad?  maybe that specific squad's way of playing caused that change?


semp
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Shuffler on December 27, 2016, 04:58:08 PM
I went rooks the other night. They were low number by far. While I was there a couple of rooks were asking about where to find trains. They said they needed to shoot trains. I told them there were no trains yet in AHIII.

Well they had time to want to shoot trains so as soon as I could I switched back.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: scott66 on December 28, 2016, 12:15:57 AM
Sometimes I go rook...Shhhhhhhh don't tell
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: scott66 on December 28, 2016, 12:16:46 AM
 :neener:
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: BHawk51 on December 28, 2016, 06:05:02 AM
AH needs to consider having two sides, There are not enough players anymore to support 3 sides. I'm sure there isn't much fun on Knits/Bish when Rooks only have 3 players on ( as long as they didn't fall asleep in the tower), and they run through bases unopposed. I like a good fight as much as anyone else but really 5 fighters converge on a single set of Lancs without an escort? The days of Titanic Tuesday are long gone fellas. I'm thinking that all rooks leave and go Knit or Bish and then see what happens.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: Shuffler on December 28, 2016, 10:23:58 AM
AH needs to consider having two sides, There are not enough players anymore to support 3 sides. I'm sure there isn't much fun on Knits/Bish when Rooks only have 3 players on ( as long as they didn't fall asleep in the tower), and they run through bases unopposed. I like a good fight as much as anyone else but really 5 fighters converge on a single set of Lancs without an escort? The days of Titanic Tuesday are long gone fellas. I'm thinking that all rooks leave and go Knit or Bish and then see what happens.

Try a search to see why that will not work.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: BBP on December 29, 2016, 12:28:21 PM
I joined up with the rooks about 3 months ago. I was enjoying the experience except for one little thing. One of my old squaddies hatched a plan with a buddy rook of his. The buddy rook would relay to my old squaddie member where I  was taking off at. So often on take off there was my old squaddie annihilating me before.
i could get off the ground or into the air. Over and over and over. Just by coincidence I caught to squad members joking and laughing about it on the radio. So I left the rooks and went to the Bishops. Funny  ------- No more runway hawking. Sorry ROCKY!
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: LocoMoto on December 30, 2016, 12:04:13 PM

I know your lack of intelligence may cause you to have problems following a thread as complicated as this one  :rolleyes: so you might want to crawl back under your rock and let the adults discuss things here. I was trying to help, you are just being an ....ah well you did show us a picture of your face. Welcome to the ignore list.

Is this the only sentence you know how to type?

Some people on these boards take things far too seriously.
Really Fugi?  Really??
You just can't help yourself can you. Always sticking the nerdy littleneck of yours outthere for yourview as howthe game is played while always attacking the character of whoever you disagree with hiding behind your "ignore lists"

Dude your apart of the problem and have been for a long time.

There is no solution to this problem outside of bringing in more players its just that simple.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: The Fugitive on December 30, 2016, 04:40:00 PM
Really Fugi?  Really??
You just can't help yourself can you. Always sticking the nerdy littleneck of yours outthere for yourview as howthe game is played while always attacking the character of whoever you disagree with hiding behind your "ignore lists"

Dude your apart of the problem and have been for a long time.

There is no solution to this problem outside of bringing in more players its just that simple.

Another clown that either cant read, or has a problem comprehending what they read.

I never say "play my way" I suggest that others try different ways of playing the game. I would think that doing the same NOE run time after time after time would get pretty boring. In this case I thought a large squad like the pigs might want to change their permanent home, thus solving two problems. The ENY issues and lack of fights. I didn't say they HAD to. Also, I only used the Pigs as the example because JunkyII..... a Pig... was the one talking about the issues.

As for the "attack", I know I should have been the bigger man and just ignored the attack syko made on me but oh well, done is done.
Title: Re: Need More Rooks
Post by: guncrasher on December 30, 2016, 05:35:06 PM
wow figutive, thanks, I didnt know that you think the pigs have the power to balance eny and give all the other players a fight.

wow we are awesome.  nice of you to say that.  gonna pass your compliment to our co.


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