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Title: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: atlau on December 31, 2016, 12:49:57 PM
Can there be an option to shade out planes that are unavailable to ENYA? It's annoying and a waste of time to have to get the popup message saying certain rides are unavailable and then go back aND make another selection while also ensuring it has the right value.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on December 31, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
+1
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: 100Coogn on January 01, 2017, 04:03:40 PM
What about adding a real-time ENY display to the clipboard, while in the hanger?

Coogan
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 01, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
What about adding a real-time ENY display to the clipboard, while in the hanger?

Coogan

That would also rock.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Squire on January 03, 2017, 04:47:47 AM
Fantastic idea.  :aok
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Dobs on January 03, 2017, 11:30:17 AM
+1
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Wiley on January 03, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
+1
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: bustr on January 03, 2017, 01:03:40 PM
Many players would probably love an ENY readout in the hanger to assist with quicker choices. And then there would be the rub salt into the gaping wound crowd who would start endless posts assaulting Hitech over rubbing their faces in ENY.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Wiley on January 03, 2017, 01:11:30 PM
What difference would it make?  It's there regardless of whether it's displayed or not.  I just find it a moderate pain in the backside to choose something and be told after the fact it's unavailable.  Especially when I'm trying to get back to a fight fast.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: bustr on January 03, 2017, 02:01:40 PM
There is a whole field of psychology that studies why people are able to live with inconveniences as long as those are not rubbed full time in their faces, and the many coping mechanisms to do that. Right clicking on the map gets you to country status and ENY states which 99% of the community knows about.

From your perspective finding out at the moment the ride you want is not available is unacceptable. Still you know where to check the ENY state. That is a coping mechanism in itself by ignoring it until too late. For the group I targeted who would be in the forums driving Hitech nutz, having an ENY meter in the hanger gives them no way to cope by being oblivious. So the display of it would need a toggle. The toggle would create a premeditated situation of acknowledging ENY just like right clicking and checking country status.

I would venture there are more players who cope by ignoring ENY than want to be reminded of it full time. 
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Wiley on January 03, 2017, 02:13:40 PM
It's just a matter of expediency.  I click on what I want and try to launch banking on it being available.  Yes, every time I up I could go into country status.  The question is, why not have the information right at hand with a simple go/no go signal so we'd know instantly?

I have my doubts even those with the most rustled of jimmies over ENY would have much of a change of behavior if the number was displayed or planes that were unavailable were greyed out.  It's the effect of ENY they don't like, not being able to see it.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: hgtonyvi on January 03, 2017, 03:36:45 PM
I think there's a way to check the ENY. Right click on the map then select country status and you can see what the current eny is.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: 100Coogn on January 03, 2017, 03:50:34 PM
There's no reason why ENY could not be live-updated, which would not infringe on anyone's game play.
It would be available to everyone across the board.

Some people have nothing better to do than to try and hinder peoples ideas.

Coogan
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: bustr on January 03, 2017, 03:52:50 PM
That's why I said a toggle.

Don't discount their unhappy feelings just because this is a game and it should be expedient. They are paying $14.95 to be oblivious as their only middle finger to ENY. Once ENY sticks it's middle finger up their whatz-its every time they look for a ride. Some of them will say good by. Unhappy people will tolerate a lot until they find that thing that helps them avoid responsibility for not admitting they wanted to quit over something as silly as ENY. Why push them over the edge when they had a coping mechanism to stay in the game?

People make the mistake of seeing only one side to something this silly because, it's silly, right... Since they are willing to tolerate ENY and it is silly from a mature perspective to get upset over it, ergo, those other guys should be able to suck it up. So an attitude this pragmatic coupled with an ENY sign in the hanger, and your silly has meant more to someone else than it does to you.

Competitive games on the surface are all fun and a great community of people. And competiveness pushes buttons that some community members are unaware they have gotten very serious about aspects of a kiddy game. And then you give them the sign they need to stop paying their $14.95 when it was never necessary.

Have you ever considered this forum is a way for Hitech to gauge silly things like this?
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: 100Coogn on January 03, 2017, 03:55:57 PM
That's why I said a toggle.

Don't discount their unhappy feelings just because this is a game and it should be expedient. They are paying $14.95 to be oblivious as their only middle finger to ENY. Once ENY sticks it's middle finger up their whatz-its every time they look for a ride. Some of them will say good by. Unhappy people will tolerate a lot until they find that thing that helps them avoid responsibility for not admitting they wanted to quit over something as silly as ENY. Why push them over the edge when they had a coping mechanism to stay in the game?

People make the mistake of seeing only one side to something this silly because, it's silly, right... Since they are willing to tolerate ENY and it is silly from a mature perspective to get upset over it, ergo, those other guys should be able to suck it up. So an attitude this pragmatic coupled with an ENY sign in the hanger, and your silly has meant more to someone else than it does to you.

Competitive games on the surface are all fun and a great community of people. And competiveness pushes buttons that some community members are unaware they have gotten very serious about aspects of a kiddy game. And then you give them the sign they need to stop paying their $14.95 when it was never necessary.

Have you ever considered this forum is a way for Hitech to gauge silly things like this?

My eyes hurt reading your wall of text.

Regardless, this is a good wish.

Coogan
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: bustr on January 03, 2017, 05:16:43 PM
Ever wondered why good wishes never end up in the game over all these years? Very few good wishes are good for everyone in the game. And the ones who they are good for will always believe the wish is good for everyone else in the game.

You are putting my wall of text in perspective to the arcane art of herding cats or, keeping people from leaving the game over silliness when they didn't have to.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Wiley on January 03, 2017, 05:19:27 PM
Well, how many people have left the game over frustration because they've clicked on a plane and been told they couldn't launch it because of ENY?  Seems to me that number would be significantly higher than those who would leave over having access to information.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 03, 2017, 05:27:22 PM


Have you ever considered this forum is a way for Hitech to gauge silly things like this?

I would hardly classify having planes marked as "unavailable" due to ENY (like planes and GVs are when the corresponding hangers are down) as a "silly wish".  In fact, one could say it's a rather important "quality of life" feature that would be more beneficial to the player base than any negatives you can try and squeeze out of it.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 03, 2017, 06:40:48 PM
I would hardly classify having planes marked as "unavailable" due to ENY (like planes and GVs are when the corresponding hangers are down) as a "silly wish".  In fact, one could say it's a rather important "quality of life" feature that would be more beneficial to the player base than any negatives you can try and squeeze out of it.

+1
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: icepac on January 03, 2017, 07:07:07 PM
Fly rook and you won't have to worry about eny.

Today it was 51 bish 44 knight and 20 rook.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: pembquist on January 03, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
This is a good wish. It's not the ENY its the annoyance of pop up windows having to be closed and having to read numbers. Just not being able to select an aircraft feels very different from selecting one and being DENIED, and having to close a stupid pop up, and having to read the eny numbers and then picking a plane and eny has changed and getting denied again.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Rebel28 on January 04, 2017, 09:01:24 AM
It would also be great that if ENY happens while you are in flight. Upon landing the end flight on the clipboard would turn yellow. Letting you know that if you exit the plane you will loose it. You would then have the option to rearm instead of giving it up and finding out in the tower you don’t have it anymore.

To me the ENY is odd in that affect.. I just landed the plane now I can’t re-up the plane I just landed… Where did it go?
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Oldman731 on January 04, 2017, 10:56:50 AM
It would also be great that if ENY happens while you are in flight. Upon landing the end flight on the clipboard would turn yellow. Letting you know that if you exit the plane you will loose it. You would then have the option to rearm instead of giving it up and finding out in the tower you don’t have it anymore.

To me the ENY is odd in that affect.. I just landed the plane now I can’t re-up the plane I just landed… Where did it go?


This is a great point.

- oldman
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Zoney on January 04, 2017, 11:56:46 AM
It would also be great that if ENY happens while you are in flight. Upon landing the end flight on the clipboard would turn yellow. Letting you know that if you exit the plane you will loose it. You would then have the option to rearm instead of giving it up and finding out in the tower you don’t have it anymore.

To me the ENY is odd in that affect.. I just landed the plane now I can’t re-up the plane I just landed… Where did it go?

You do know of course that either in the tower or while flying you can right click on the map, hit "country status" and get the current ENY, right?
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: 100Coogn on January 04, 2017, 12:12:36 PM
You do know of course that either in the tower or while flying you can right click on the map, hit "country status" and get the current ENY, right?

To me there's too much clicking already.
Look how long it takes to select a skin.  You can't click one, then the next.  Nope. 
You have to click one, then click on the drop down menu to open the skin list again. 
That's a bit redundant, especially if you have 20-30 skins that you want to check out.

Coogan
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2017, 01:17:49 PM
To me there's too much clicking already.
Look how long it takes to select a skin.  You can't click one, then the next.  Nope. 
You have to click one, then click on the drop down menu to open the skin list again. 
That's a bit redundant, especially if you have 20-30 skins that you want to check out.

Coogan

This.  Click click click.  ENY should be displayed in the hangar on a chalkboard or something. 
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: hitech on January 06, 2017, 10:27:27 AM
Can there be an option to shade out planes that are unavailable to ENYA? It's annoying and a waste of time to have to get the popup message saying certain rides are unavailable and then go back aND make another selection while also ensuring it has the right value.

Granted, but you will still get the message and can still select the plane.

HiTech
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 06, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
Granted, but you will still get the message and can still select the plane.

HiTech

:aok

Outstanding change!!

Anyone who says you're just a grumpy old man will hear from me!   :rofl
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: tuba515 on January 06, 2017, 01:09:58 PM
+1
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Lazerr on January 06, 2017, 01:47:52 PM
Granted, but you will still get the message and can still select the plane.

HiTech

Any way you can shade it a different color?

Red = disabled at base or due to hangar closure

Yellow = disabled to to ENY

I take it you didnt care for the idea of using perks for ENY disabled planes, and possibly revisiting the perk cost of our current lineup?(spit16, la7, n1k etc..)
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: hitech on January 06, 2017, 02:14:19 PM
Any way you can shade it a different color?

Red = disabled at base or due to hangar closure

Yellow = disabled to to ENY

I take it you didnt care for the idea of using perks for ENY disabled planes, and possibly revisiting the perk cost of our current lineup?(spit16, la7, n1k etc..)

Thats what I did.

HiTech
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Lazerr on January 06, 2017, 02:53:00 PM
Thats what I did.

HiTech

Cool!  Will be a nice visual cue to have.  ENY can swing pretty wildly as the numbers get low later at night.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: JunkyII on January 06, 2017, 03:02:30 PM
Ever wondered why good wishes never end up in the game over all these years? Very few good wishes are good for everyone in the game. And the ones who they are good for will always believe the wish is good for everyone else in the game.


Seems like you were wrong on this one....maybe you are wrong on all the others too...you're argument goes both ways...those in here who think a wish doesn't help the entire community might be wrong and it actual does...yet they still argue that it's not good for the game. hmmmmmm


Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: atlau on January 12, 2017, 05:49:07 PM
Cool! Had a wish granted!
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 12, 2017, 05:53:30 PM
Cool! Had a wish granted!

 :O

Miracles never cease!

Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: bustr on January 12, 2017, 06:10:05 PM
Seems like you were wrong on this one....maybe you are wrong on all the others too...you're argument goes both ways...those in here who think a wish doesn't help the entire community might be wrong and it actual does...yet they still argue that it's not good for the game. hmmmmmm

It solves one simple problem for efficiency related to ENY but, doesn't solve the problem for those who simply hate ENY. They will either quit the game or continue to harangue Hitech in any manner they can slip it in, overtly or directly. Junky grow up.....
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 12, 2017, 06:45:13 PM
It solves one simple problem for efficiency related to ENY but, doesn't solve the problem for those who simply hate ENY. They will either quit the game or continue to harangue Hitech in any manner they can slip it in, overtly or directly. Junky grow up.....

As far as I am concerned if you get jumped by five F4Fs or five P-51s the result is usually the same.   

ENY is a nuisance mostly.    Today we had 17 in flight and ENY 28+.    Unplayable.   I went and cleaned some handguns that I shot this weekend...
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Chris79 on January 12, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
As far as I am concerned if you get jumped by five F4Fs or five P-51s the result is usually the same.   

ENY is a nuisance mostly.    Today we had 17 in flight and ENY 28+.    Unplayable.   I went and cleaned some handguns that I shot this weekend...


They let you have Guns?  :bolt:
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 12, 2017, 08:19:52 PM

They let you have Guns?  :bolt:

Yeah.  Even in the cockpit.    :aok
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: BowHTR on January 13, 2017, 06:11:26 AM
As far as I am concerned if you get jumped by five F4Fs or five P-51s the result is usually the same.   

ENY is a nuisance mostly.    Today we had 17 in flight and ENY 28+.    Unplayable.   I went and cleaned some handguns that I shot this weekend...

In flight makes no difference. How many were on each country?
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Karnak on January 13, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
As far as I am concerned if you get jumped by five F4Fs or five P-51s the result is usually the same.   

ENY is a nuisance mostly.    Today we had 17 in flight and ENY 28+.    Unplayable.   I went and cleaned some handguns that I shot this weekend...
In most fighters you can pretty much ignore F4Fs if you want to, barring them having vastly better position on you.  P-51s, not so much.  In addition any mid to late Spitfire or Bf109, as an example, can get on top of, and stay on top of, five F4Fs while they kill them.  Doing so to five P-51s is vastly harder.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 13, 2017, 02:26:04 PM
In most fighters you can pretty much ignore F4Fs if you want to, barring them having vastly better position on you.  P-51s, not so much.  In addition any mid to late Spitfire or Bf109, as an example, can get on top of, and stay on top of, five F4Fs while they kill them.  Doing so to five P-51s is vastly harder.

"Getting jumped..."

This implies an altitude/energy disadvantage.

An F4F can dive plenty fast enough to be a problem. 

I stand by my statement.    :salute  :cheers:
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Karnak on January 13, 2017, 06:08:49 PM
That is an overly specific situation you're setting up to make it look like ENY has no effect.

Speaking from experience it is much easier to deal with being jumped by a P-38G or P-40N than by an La-7.  It is also harder for them to jump you.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 13, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
That is an overly specific situation you're setting up to make it look like ENY has no effect.

Speaking from experience it is much easier to deal with being jumped by a P-38G or P-40N than by an La-7.  It is also harder for them to jump you.

We aren't talking about one.  We are talking about five.   A gang is a gang.  ENY does very little to mitigate that.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Karnak on January 13, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
We aren't talking about one.  We are talking about five.   A gang is a gang.  ENY does very little to mitigate that.
You are talking about a gang of F4Fs that managed to jump you.

1) Most encounters do not start by getting jumped, so already you're cherry picking the setting to advantage your argument.

2) It is much harder, and takes more work, for F4Fs, of any number, to get into position to jump anybody.  All the time those F4Fs spent getting into position that a P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI or La-7 would not have spent is time those players were not fighting the outnumbered side, effectively reducing the numbers imbalance.

3) Escaping after being jumped by five F4Fs, or A6M2s or Hurricane Mk Is, is much easier than escaping from P-51Ds, Spitfire Mk XVIs or La-7s.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 13, 2017, 09:09:07 PM
Good grief. 

So not worth debating the closed minded.  I'm done here.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Karnak on January 13, 2017, 11:03:20 PM
Good grief. 

So not worth debating the closed minded.  I'm done here.
I am not the one being close minded.  You're the one setting up a strawman to make your position look logical.

The anti-ENY position has a very valid point to stand on without making stuff up.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 13, 2017, 11:10:49 PM
I am not the one being close minded.  You're the one setting up a strawman to make your position look logical.

The anti-ENY position has a very valid point to stand on without making stuff up.

Your definition of strawman begs for substance. 

The point I made was valid and stands.   That you are incapable of grasping it is your failure not mine.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Karnak on January 14, 2017, 12:09:48 AM
Your definition of strawman begs for substance. 

The point I made was valid and stands.   That you are incapable of grasping it is your failure not mine.
You created a specific situation in which the existence of ENY made minimal difference and then used that situation as evidence that ENY makes a minimal difference.

Your point about ENY denying you the ability to fly what you want when you want is a far stronger foundation on which to build your case.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Vraciu on January 14, 2017, 02:42:20 AM
You created a specific situation in which the existence of ENY made minimal difference and then used that situation as evidence that ENY makes a minimal difference.

Your point about ENY denying you the ability to fly what you want when you want is a far stronger foundation on which to build your case.

See prior post.

ENY is basically a nuisance at this point.   Getting ganged is getting ganged, no matter what ENY is. 

 :salute
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: JunkyII on January 14, 2017, 10:50:20 AM
I like the 110 update but this is definitely a huge quality of life addition to the game with the last patch. I like it.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 15, 2017, 05:12:48 PM
It solves one simple problem for efficiency related to ENY but, doesn't solve the problem for those who simply hate ENY. They will either quit the game or continue to harangue Hitech in any manner they can slip it in, overtly or directly. Junky grow up.....

All the OP asked for was to shade out planes not available due to ENY, which was thankfully implemented by HiTech, and not debate the merits of ENY.
Title: Re: Shade out planes unavailable due to ENY
Post by: Bruv119 on January 17, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
thanks HT!   :aok