General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: JOACH1M on January 23, 2017, 10:16:48 AM
Title: Question about tanks
Post by: JOACH1M on January 23, 2017, 10:16:48 AM
Could tanks in WW2 operate their main gun with the engine off like in game?
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: DubiousKB on January 23, 2017, 10:23:00 AM
YUUGE :angel:
Great question for all those who've found the "advanced sounds" area... One of the first things I learned from vehicle jockies... Tweek sounds to gain an advantage. :noid
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: PR3D4TOR on January 23, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
All tanks could do that yes. Most of the Russian tanks had hand-cranked turrets. Same with the Pz. IV. T-34 had a powered traverse, but the gunner needed to hand-crank the final adjustments to aim and also elevation. All tanks with powered traverse and/or elevation also had manual backups.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 23, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
A better question is, Did real tanks in WW2 main gun aircraft?
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: Zimme83 on January 23, 2017, 11:10:06 AM
They prob tried. Real tanks also did not have a large icon that was affected by the engine so there was less reason to turn it off.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: JOACH1M on January 23, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
I guess i was asking if they were hydraulically actuated, being the engine would need to be on the have the hydraulic pump creating pressure. Hand cranking didn't cross my mind.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: PR3D4TOR on January 23, 2017, 11:52:00 AM
Some were hydraulic, other were electrically actuated. Some had neither.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 23, 2017, 12:26:52 PM
A better question is, Did real tanks in WW2 main gun aircraft?
Yes. Otto Carius in his wartime memoir "Tigers In The Mud" recounts the action in which his main gunner shot down an IL2 with the Tiger's main gun. In Hans Rudel's book "Stuka Pilot" he briefly mentions how a Ju87 in his flight was shot down by a T-34's main gun. In Dmitriy Loza's book "Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks: The World War II Memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union", he recounts how they used to park their Sherman so they could use their main guns as defense against low flying Luftwaffe planes.
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Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: bustr on January 23, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
In game if you are close enough for the player to spark you up with the MG on the turret, he just got his aim confirmation to pull the main gun trigger. There are a few who are getting proficient at lining up the turret to your line of attack exit. So as you pass over the tank to pull out, they nail you as you just start to pull up. This ain't gonna be good for the Hs129 when we get it. The one shot kill tactic with the MK101\103 had to be carried out at a low angle of attack shooting sub 100m. Tested it with the Ju87 BK3,7 against the T34s and TigerI. Works if you fire sub 100yds just before you have to pull up or ram the tank. Tried it in the game once, I gave away Ju87 kills to a bunch of happy skeet shooters.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: JunkyII on January 23, 2017, 02:22:59 PM
They prob tried. Real tanks also did not have a large icon that was affected by the engine so there was less reason to turn it off.
Don't know exact tactics but I'm sure Tankers turn their engines off whenever possible because of noise discipline....don't want enemy to hear where you are operating at.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: Chalenge on January 23, 2017, 04:56:53 PM
To answer the OP more precisely, not every tank that is in the game could operate the turret ring without the engine running.
Also, the German tanks had the ability to start and stop their engines at will, except after a prolonged period of sitting with engine off. The American M4s would have to run at idle for about two minutes before moving, and if they shut down too quickly (without likewise idling for two minutes) would foul their engines or overheat.
The M4s also have an internal generator, so they did not have to have the engine running to operate the turret.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: OldNitro on January 23, 2017, 08:02:24 PM
Some tanks could unclutch their geared Turret traverse, and turn the turret by hand too. A lot faster than turning a crank wheel. That was fairly common before the Turrets grew to gargantuan size.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: Randy1 on January 24, 2017, 08:36:46 AM
Might make for an interesting wish. Have the turret speeds turned down if the engine is off. Oh at the whining from the professional spawn campers.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: RODBUSTR on January 30, 2017, 12:13:13 AM
german mark 5...tiger only had a hand ttraverse I thinkif tank was not on level ground tankers had difficult time cranking it uphill
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: PR3D4TOR on January 30, 2017, 12:49:31 AM
Tiger had power traverse, but hand cranked elevation. Traverse could be hand cranked in an emergency though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3JRx4PkDYg
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: Chalenge on January 30, 2017, 02:43:09 AM
Tiger had power traverse, but hand cranked elevation. Traverse could be hand cranked in an emergency though.
If you think a Tiger moves the turret slow, then you haven't tried to crank one. It's main usefulness comes in accuracy, and not major traversals.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: save on January 30, 2017, 04:31:12 AM
Drivers would, if they could, turn around the vehicle to shorten the time to get aim on target, it was a part of their training (at least German training)
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: Zimme83 on January 30, 2017, 04:55:44 AM
Drivers would, if they could, turn around the vehicle to shorten the time to get aim on target, it was a part of their training (at least German training)
Particularly Tigers with it's slow turret would do it.
Even the turret on modern tanks like the Leo 2 can be hand cranked, all you need is a gunner with strong arm and a lot of time.
Title: Re: Question about tanks
Post by: RODBUSTR on February 18, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
SOME HAD GAS GENERARORS POWERING ELECRO HYDRAULIC TURRETS AFV WEBSITE GOOD REFERE NCE