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Title: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: 100Coogn on January 30, 2017, 10:28:15 AM
I hope this works as well as Microsoft says it will.
They're saying the new Game-Mode won't give you a drastic increase in FPS, but rather a more consistent
frame-rate, which should result in smoother game play.

Windows 10 Game-Mode (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3161918/software-games/how-windows-10s-game-mode-will-make-your-pc-games-run-better.html) PCWorld Review

Coogan
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Skuzzy on January 30, 2017, 10:39:29 AM
Market speak for "we screwed up, but are working on fixing it".

They failed to correctly identify when a game is running on DirectX and never gave it any priority nor stopped counting down to making things go to sleep.  They did it that way as the desktop UI all uses DirectX in Windows 10.  They just goofed and are finally getting around to fixing it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Pudgie on January 30, 2017, 11:59:59 AM
I hope this works as well as Microsoft says it will.
They're saying the new Game-Mode won't give you a drastic increase in FPS, but rather a more consistent
frame-rate, which should result in smoother game play.

Windows 10 Game-Mode (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3161918/software-games/how-windows-10s-game-mode-will-make-your-pc-games-run-better.html) PCWorld Review

Coogan

Very interesting.................. ............................

 :salute
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Skuzzy on February 03, 2017, 10:39:46 AM
So far, the results of this new feature do not look promising as most games are suffering performance losses with it enabled and even more stuttering.  Not all titles, but it is inconsistent.  Maybe Microsoft added more overhead to Windows 10 and this new gamer mode helps to reduce the impact.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: pembquist on February 03, 2017, 11:39:49 AM
As it stands now is there anything intelligent to do with a clean install of Windows 10pro to optimize it for playing AH3?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Skuzzy on February 03, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
Unfortunately, no.  The problem with Windows 10 is how there are and/or will be many versions of it.  They are about to release a new version of it.

Makes it nigh impossible to come up with any set of tweaks to perform as what may work for one version of Windows 10, may not work for another.  Then there is the battle to keep the settings as Microsoft has a penchant for resetting any custom changes back to default, during update installations.

Microsoft is already talking about mot allowing things to be deleted from the operating system and not allowing any deviation from a specific set of background processes.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Krusty on February 03, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
How many signatures would a petition need to get you all to issue a linux-based version of AH3?  :devil
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Pudgie on February 03, 2017, 01:20:37 PM
So it appears that MS still can't get the Multimedia Class Scheduler Service to function properly that they've tried to do since it's inception in MS Vista (1 of it's tasks to optimize is games)...........................

Not good.....................

 :salute
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: MADe on February 04, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
I read where this is for their published games. No help for outside 3rd party games??????????????????????
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: MADe on February 04, 2017, 03:09:33 PM
Unfortunately, no.  The problem with Windows 10 is how there are and/or will be many versions of it.  They are about to release a new version of it.

Makes it nigh impossible to come up with any set of tweaks to perform as what may work for one version of Windows 10, may not work for another.  Then there is the battle to keep the settings as Microsoft has a penchant for resetting any custom changes back to default, during update installations.

Microsoft is already talking about mot allowing things to be deleted from the operating system and not allowing any deviation from a specific set of background processes.

this is about ADs.????? They want to get the pc environment closer to mobile environment. You will get AD pop ups on your desktop very soon. I turned off ms updates, think I am pre anniversary. Do not want to to lose my customizations to OS for AH. Plus I do no want the bloat. Still slowly disabling the current junk.

 :joystick:
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Bizman on February 04, 2017, 04:08:58 PM
I read where this is for their published games. No help for outside 3rd party games??????????????????????

Would that apply to "Microsoft Return of Arcade" which I still may have somewhere?
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Pudgie on February 04, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
I read where this is for their published games. No help for outside 3rd party games??????????????????????

This is where a whitelist comes in........................... ......

 :salute
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Bruv119 on February 05, 2017, 02:04:25 AM
How many signatures would a petition need to get you all to issue a linux-based version of AH3?  :devil

+1
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: zack1234 on February 05, 2017, 02:17:14 AM
Hitech should a stand alone pc just for playing AH
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: 100Coogn on February 05, 2017, 11:54:10 AM
I read where this is for their published games. No help for outside 3rd party games??????????????????????

Game-Mode is reported to work on any game. (Not just Microsoft)

More on Windows 10 Game-Mode. (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/01/25/windows-10-game-mode-explained/)

Coogan
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Pudgie on February 05, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
Game-Mode is reported to work on any game. (Not just Microsoft)

More on Windows 10 Game-Mode. (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/01/25/windows-10-game-mode-explained/)

Coogan

This is giving me a hunch if MS has finally come up w\ an algorithim to optimize a game using CPU priority\affinity (assign a specific game's threads high CPU priority then assign all other running apps threads a lower priority than "normal" to gain as much CPU processing time as can be gained for a specific game then use CPU affinity to gain the rest if needed.....from a CPU perspective)......or licensed someone else's algorithim to do the same........like Process Lasso's?

Hmmmm...................

The GPU side is the main issue of contention (the main reason why this hasn't already been done in prior Windows versions) as for the OS to actually gain control of the discrete vid card's GPU to do the same the IHV's have to allow the OS to gain some direct access to the GPU hardware thru their drivers.........which would essentially mean that the OS would "need" a universal "driver" that will work across Nvidia, AMD & Intel GPU's..............

Now since MS has developed Dx12 from patterning off AMD's Mantle API it would be logical to assume that AMD "may" just rewrite a version of Crimson driver stack to allow MS to attain this access in Win 10 as an "update"..................?

Just thinking out loud...............

 :salute

Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: 715 on February 05, 2017, 03:42:57 PM
PCGamer did some benchmarks on an early version of Windows 10 Game Mode.  Results were extremely underwhelming: most games showed little or no improvement and some even got slower.  The caveats are that it's an early version of Game Mode and they tested on a monster system.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: 100Coogn on February 05, 2017, 04:22:38 PM
PCGamer did some benchmarks on an early version of Windows 10 Game Mode.  Results were extremely underwhelming: most games showed little or no improvement and some even got slower.  The caveats are that it's an early version of Game Mode and they tested on a monster system.

Are you running Windows 10?

Coogan
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: Skuzzy on February 06, 2017, 06:40:50 AM
PCGamer did some benchmarks on an early version of Windows 10 Game Mode.  Results were extremely underwhelming: most games showed little or no improvement and some even got slower.  The caveats are that it's an early version of Game Mode and they tested on a monster system.

A couple of sites have shown the same results.
Title: Re: Windows 10 Game-Mode (Coming Soon)
Post by: 715 on February 06, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
Are you running Windows 10?

Coogan

No, but not relevant: I was mentioning testing that someone at PCGamer.com did.