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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Mongoose on January 31, 2017, 09:25:28 AM
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I have a picture I want to use a nose art for my squad (all two of us). But the nose are included in the plane skins gets in the way. Is there a way to remove the nose art built into the skin, so that the squad nose art shows up?
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no. there is a spot reserved om the skin for a squad logo. submit it and once it is approved you'll see it where all other squad logos appear.
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I think he's talking about the actual skin of the plane having nose art as part of the graphic. Some of them are where the game overlays a squad's nose art file, and it doesn't look good.
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I think he's talking about the actual skin of the plane having nose art as part of the graphic. Some of them are where the game overlays a squad's nose art file, and it doesn't look good.
Yes, this is what I mean. I like the 49FG/9FS paint scheme for the P-38L. But the nose art of the skin covers the squad nose art. I was wondering if there is an easy way to remove the built-in nose art.
On the same subject, how would I go about editing the existing skin, or making a new one?
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All skins are historical skins. They can't be modified for online use unless it's to another historically accurate skin which then needs to be submitted, approved, and added to the collection.
You may want to consider squad nose art that works with your preferred skin.
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Any artwork that is on a skin is part of the single skin bitmap. It is not at all separate from the rest of the skin. AH squad emblems go over the skin, are fixed to specific places on each aircraft.
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All skins are historical skins. They can't be modified for online use unless it's to another historically accurate skin which then needs to be submitted, approved, and added to the collection.
This is not true; none of the German skins are historically accurate. They are an approximation of what HTC feels is appropriate.
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This is not true; none of the German skins are historically accurate. They are an approximation of what HTC feels is appropriate.
there are accurate other than the swastika. In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries.
I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed, but a business decision.
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there are accurate other than the swastika. In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries.
I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed, but a business decision.
I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
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I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
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Getting shot down and crashing, then taking off again in a new plane 10 seconds later is also not historically accurate. It's a game...........concessions have been made for playability.............havin g artwork that would get the game banned in some countries would therefore make it unplayable for customers in those countries.
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ahhhh I see, so the correct statement would be "the german skin are historically accurate except for the lack of the swastika, which due to being illegal in some countries was left off as a business decision/ concession".
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there are accurate other than the swastika. In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries.
Lets see in the countries that actually ban the swastika, what they actually say:
Austria[edit]
Austria strictly prohibits the public display and/or proliferation of all insignia/symbols, emblems, uniforms (full or partial), flags, etc., clearly associated with the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP, commonly known as the Nazi Party). There are legal exceptions for works of Art (including books, films, Theatre Performances, computer games, and educational/memorial public exhibitions, etc.), these however do not apply if the respective work promotes National Socialism (as this is generally prohibited in Austria). The law has been amended to include commonly recognized replacements or slightly modified depictions of Nazi symbols. Violations of the Badges Act 1960 (Abzeichengesetz 1960), which prohibits the public display of Nazi symbols, are punishable by up to € 4000.- fine and up to 1 month imprisonment. However, if the violation is deemed an attempt to promote national socialism, the Prohibition Act 1947 (Verbotsgesetz 1947) is applied, which allows for up to 10 years imprisonment. Trading medals, uniforms, or other memorabilia however isn't illegal in Austria.
France[edit]
In France, it is illegal to display Nazi flags, uniforms and insignia in public, unless for the purpose of a historical film, show or spectacle.[18]
Germany[edit]
Main article: Strafgesetzbuch § 86a
Germany strictly prohibits public display of Nazi symbols, such as the swastika and the SS logo, unless it is for historical purposes.
Israel[edit]
The use of Nazi symbols is legal in Israel.
Of all the countries listed, all seem to have an exception for historical purposes.
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ahhhh I see, so the correct statement would be "the german skin are historically accurate except for the lack of the swastika, which due to being illegal in some countries was left off as a business decision/ concession".
no, the correct statement would be the German skins are not historically accurate because of the lack of the swastika.
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there are accurate other than the swastika. In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries.
I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed, but a business decision.
I'm guessing HTC has no customers in Hungary
Hungary[edit]
Section 335 of the Act C of 2012 on the Criminal Code of Hungary regulates the "use of symbols of totalitarianism", including the swastika, the insignia of the SS, the arrow cross, the hammer and sickle, and the five-pointed red star.[21].
After a detailed reading of the law in Hungary, they make an exception for films and computer games.
most restrictive laws were written in 1945, and updated 2010 2012ish, to exclude Computer Games.
So even HTC could allow the German skins to be accurate including the swastika if they chose to.
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I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
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Getting shot down and crashing, then taking off again in a new plane 10 seconds later is also not historically accurate. It's a game...........concessions have been made for playability.............havin g artwork that would get the game banned in some countries would therefore make it unplayable for customers in those countries.
If you would please show me the coutry that would ban the game, as I've stated, all the countries that I've found that had a bad, now has an exception for movies and computer games. So as far as I can tell, there are none that would ban the game because of a German marking on an aircraft skin.
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Traveler.
Google it. The laws of different countries are all over the place. Some ban it completely. Some ban it except for historical accounts. Some allow it in historic films. Some allow it as art.
Why would you, as the owner of this game get involved in this quagmire?
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Traveler.
Google it. The laws of different countries are all over the place. Some ban it completely. Some ban it except for historical accounts. Some allow it in historic films. Some allow it as art.
Why would you, as the owner of this game get involved in this quagmire?
Zoney, you didn't read any of my other posting, I did post every country that has a restrive law, and each county has an exception for computer games.
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You didn't read my post. The laws are a quagmire, that is ever changing obviously. It's just not worth it. If the laws become more restrictive do you then redo all the artwork. How about the fact that it is offensive to some, maybe to many or most. It's politics more than it is history. It just isn't worth it. Move on.
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You didn't read my post. The laws are a quagmire, that is ever changing obviously. It's just not worth it. If the laws become more restrictive do you then redo all the artwork. How about the fact that it is offensive to some, maybe to many or most. It's politics more than it is history. It just isn't worth it. Move on.
I did read your post. The laws concerning the subject of discussion are very exact and precise, your opinion notwithstanding. According to your approach one should never do anything artistic because a law might change. Of the 18 countries that had restrictive laws governing the Nazi flag and SS uniform passed those laws in 1945 and all were amended to allow for historical use in films and Computer Games.
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That's great.
There is no one law covering this worldwide. The laws from different countries are a quagmire.
But hey, it's your lucky day. Even though I am absolutely not convinced we need the swastica in the game, it does not matter. It is HiTech's opinion that matters, not mine.
Frankly, I'm sorry I responded at all. I'm out of this subject.
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I've seen threads go off track before, but never this quickly. :rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:
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This is not true; none of the German skins are historically accurate. They are an approximation of what HTC feels is appropriate.
My statement was sufficiently accurate. :D
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My statement was sufficiently accurate. :D
In conveying what information? Let’s look at your statement:
All skins are historical skins. They can't be modified for online use unless it's to another historically accurate skin which then needs to be submitted, approved, and added to the collection.
You may want to consider squad nose art that works with your preferred skin.
The statement is not adequate it does not address the German skins. All skins leads the reader to believe that your statement includes the German Skins. If the Reader was to submit an accurate German skin it would be rejected.
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In conveying what information? Let’s look at your statement:
The statement is not adequate it does not address the German skins. All skins leads the reader to believe that your statement includes the German Skins. If the Reader was to submit an accurate German skin it would be rejected.
Let's look at what the OP is flying.
A P-38L.
End of discussion.
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I understand the business decision made by Hitech, but the skins on German aircraft are not historically accurate.
Is it s a business decision to not risk violating the laws of any given country? I am not sure if choosing to avoid the risk of breaking the law qualifies as a pure business decision.
The laws change all the time and to have to shut down players accounts because one country changes the law is not acceptable. To have out game banned is not acceptable. Until our lawyers tell us it is free to be displayed everywhere in the world, without consequence, it would be only prudent to not allow it in the game.
Until that time, it is correct to state the German skins, in the game, are historically accurate, excepting those who had the German swastika originally displayed.
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Is it s a business decision to not risk violating the laws of any given country? I am not sure if choosing to avoid the risk of breaking the law qualifies as a pure business decision.
The laws change all the time and to have to shut down players accounts because one country changes the law is not acceptable. To have out game banned is not acceptable. Until our lawyers tell us it is free to be displayed everywhere in the world, without consequence, it would be only prudent to not allow it in the game.
Until that time, it is correct to state the German skins, in the game, are historically accurate, excepting those who had the German swastika originally displayed.
Yes, the laws change all the time, with respect to the German swastika it has happen once since 1945, they were changed to allow for films and computer games. there is only one restrictive country now, and it bands the use of the red star, which HTC does allow on the USSR aircraft, so much for the law.
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What legal source are you getting that information from?
To the best of our knowledge, Russia has been banning specific companies for using the red star. That is quite different from a law prohibiting the display of the red star.
If it indeed illegal, then we will remove all of the skins from the game displaying it. but I am not going to just take your word for it.
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What legal source are you getting that information from?
To the best of our knowledge, Russia has been banning specific companies for using the red star. That is quite different from a law prohibiting the display of the red star.
If it indeed illegal, then we will remove all of the skins from the game displaying it. but I am not going to just take your word for it.
The United Nations Law Library, it isn't illegal any more as of 2010 or so, every country that had laws prohibing any of these sysbols altered the laws to allow for film production and computer gaming.
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I cannot find anything. Does not meant there is nothing there. Care to share a link?
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I cannot find anything. Does not meant there is nothing there. Care to share a link?
It's not a link, it's a signin. May not be open to the public sorry.
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Well darn.
The last update I have in my hands was talking about how the EU had challenged laws which were prohibiting the display of communism symbols. The upshot of it was the laws were too vague and stomped on freedom of speech.
None of our foreign players have brought it up as an issue either.
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Well darn.
The last update I have in my hands was talking about how the EU had challenged laws which were prohibiting the display of communism symbols. The upshot of it was the laws were too vague and stomped on freedom of speech.
None of our foreign players have brought it up as an issue either.
With all HTC has stated as to reasons why no historical paint jobs for the German aircraft so the game won't be banned in a country. Why than do you have the swastika on the B-239?
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there are accurate other than the swastika. In some countries it is illegal to show the swastika and so the game would bebaned in those countries.
I t has nothing to do with how HiTech "feels" they should be displayed, but a business decision.
take a look at the B-239 Looks like a swastika to me.
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Traveler.
Google it. The laws of different countries are all over the place. Some ban it completely. Some ban it except for historical accounts. Some allow it in historic films. Some allow it as art.
Why would you, as the owner of this game get involved in this quagmire?
Take a look at the B-239 in the hanger. looks like it's not a country ban thing after all.
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take a look at the B-239 Looks like a swastika to me.
Finnish swastika, not Nazi swastika, right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force)
Von Rosen had painted his personal good luck charm on the Thulin Typ D aircraft. This charm – a blue swastika, the ancient symbol of the sun and good luck – was adopted as the insignia of the Finnish Air Force. The white circular background was created when the Finns tried to paint over the advertisement from the Thulin air academy.[5] The swastika was officially taken into use after an order by Commander-in-Chief C. G. E. Mannerheim on 18 March 1918. The FAF changed its aircraft insignia after 1944, due to an Allied Control Commission decree[6] prohibiting Fascist organizations and it resembling the 3rd Reich's swastika.[6]
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take a look at the B-239 Looks like a swastika to me.
Read your history. Swastikas have been around for thousands of years. Only one certain version used as the emblem of a certain ideology is on the list of less desired symbols. The blue swastika on a white circle had been the lucky sign of the Swedish count von Rosen before Mr. Hitler was even born, inspired by a viking runestone. The FAF adopted the sign along with their first plane donated by von Rosen in 1918, two years before NSDAP was founded. FAF still use it in their flags and medals.
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My buddy from Lowell Massachusetts found some old ww2 german equipment panels in the cellar of the house he just bought. He told me that they have "swastiker stickahs" on them. It took me a minute. Then I asked him to say Cuba.
"What, Cuber?" he said.
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My buddy from Lowell Massachusetts found some old ww2 german equipment panels in the cellar of the house he just bought. He told me that they have "swastiker stickahs" on them. It took me a minute. Then I asked him to say Cuba.
"What, Cuber?" he said.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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With all HTC has stated as to reasons why no historical paint jobs for the German aircraft so the game won't be banned in a country. Why than do you have the swastika on the B-239?
That is the Finnish swastika, not the German one. As Bizman noted, there is a big difference.