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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Skuzzy on February 03, 2017, 04:32:11 PM
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In the image of this post, you are seeing a preview to the skins preview/downloads page we have been working on. The reason I am not showing you a live version of the page is due to sensitive data in the database, leftover when we moved to the skinadmin utility years ago.
Instead of explaining it all, I thought I would just toss it out there and get feedback.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=384886.0;attach=26626)
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I think it would be better to have the skins listed in a column to the left of the box with the skin info and pics. That way one does not need to scroll up and down as much or at all to get all the info and change selections,
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Could there be copyright issues if HTC post the reference profiles and photographs for each skin?
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Could there be copyright issues if HTC post the reference profiles and photographs for each skin?
Excellent point.
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Could there be copyright issues if HTC post the reference profiles and photographs for each skin?
Isn't there a fair use rule out there?
Give credit and claim fair use under "research".
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I don't think "research" covers the actual picture being displayed by HTC on their website.
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I don't think "research" covers the actual picture being displayed by HTC on their website.
Wikipedia does it. I don't see any lawsuits.
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Could there be copyright issues if HTC post the reference profiles and photographs for each skin?
Isn't OK as long as you credit the artist? Plus, HTC is not making money from these displaying these images.
Getting a bona fide legal opinion might be a prudent step however.
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Have you guys been asleep for a few years. There are tons of copies of images from books and websites posted in this forum/topic. How is that any less 'illegal'?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342114.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342114.0.html) for example.
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I rather like it. A lot, actually. (As is.) :cheers:
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Have you guys been asleep for a few years. There are tons of copies of images from books and websites posted in this forum/topic. How is that any less 'illegal'?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342114.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342114.0.html) for example.
HTC would be the direct violator of a possible copyright and not a user of the BBs. Might seem like splitting hairs, until you think about the potential gains of suing HTC vs a user on the BBS.
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HTC would be the direct violator of a possible copyright and not a user of the BBs. Might seem like splitting hairs, until you think about the potential gains of suing HTC vs a user on the BBS.
They're not gonna get sued. At worst they'll be asked to stop using the image in question. If they continue it's use after a C&D request THEN they might get sued. I don't see it as an issue.
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Copyright is a valid question. Worst case, I drop the reference image display.
Listing all the planes/vehicles/boats in a column would mean scrolling the entire page to find the one you want. I see no value in that as opposed to scrolling the one list.
One of the intents of this page is to show it in the game, under the help section for skins. The appearance will be different. It will also be replacing the current skins page on our WEB site.
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Copyright is a valid question. Worst case, I drop the reference image display.
Listing all the planes/vehicles/boats in a column would mean scrolling the entire page to find the one you want. I see no value in that as opposed to scrolling the one list.
One of the intents of this page is to show it in the game, under the help section for skins. The appearance will be different. It will also be replacing the current skins page on our WEB site.
I could edit a screenshot to yield just the cropped profile.
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Copyright is a valid question. Worst case, I drop the reference image display.
Listing all the planes/vehicles/boats in a column would mean scrolling the entire page to find the one you want. I see no value in that as opposed to scrolling the one list.
One of the intents of this page is to show it in the game, under the help section for skins. The appearance will be different. It will also be replacing the current skins page on our WEB site.
No, I meant retaining the drop-down menu for the plane. Just move the skin names to a column to the left from above it where you have it.
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No, I meant retaining the drop-down menu for the plane. Just move the skin names to a column to the left from above it where you have it.
Another thing that would be nice is knowing what number the skin is, i.e. p51d_21.
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Right now, there are 3 columns for the skin names. You want them to be in one column? When you get 31 skins listed, it gets kind of clumsy to have them in one column.
Hmmm. I could make another drop down list of the skins.
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Right now, there are 3 columns for the skin names. You want them to be in one column? When you get 31 skins listed, it gets kind of clumsy to have them in one column.
Hmmm. I could make another drop down list of the skins.
An option to "Display All" would be nice.
Why not a table of all the thumbnails for each type that are clickable?
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Why not a table of all the thumbnails for each type that are clickable?
Winner! :aok
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Pulldown menu at top for plane type.
Then a 3 x 7 clickable table of the skins.
Thumbnail Repeat for p51d_2 Repeat for p51d_3
P51d_1
Unit Designation
Skinner Name
Thumbnail Repeat for p51d_5 Repeat for p51d_6
P51d_4
Unit Designation
Skinner Name
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Winner! :aok
Thanks.
A master table of plane types in order displaying the default skin would be nice, too.
So you have the pull down menu at top BUT also an alpha list you can click to take you to the sub menu.
Pulldown menu at top for plane type.
Then a 3 x 7 table of the skins, expandable to all skins for each type.
Thumbnail Repeat for F2A Repeat for F4F-3
A6M
Default Skin
Unit Designation
Skinner Name
Thumbnail Repeat for F4U-1 Repeat for F4U-1A
F4F-4
Default Skin
Unit Designation
Skinner Name
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/381stKokutai_by_Greebo_zpsurvsfxiw.png~original)
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Unfortunately, about 95% of the skins do not have thumbnails. I also want the page to be friendly to those who have data caps.
It would be a big page with a plane which has 31 skins for it.
I like the idea and thought about it, but did not do it as there are very few skins with thumbnails.
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Making thumbnails would be even easier.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/331k_by_Greebo_zpsbtdl0z3a.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/331k_by_Greebo_th_zpsvalojazc.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/331k_by_Greebo_zpsy3xvifaz.png)
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Unfortunately, about 95% of the skins do not have thumbnails. I also want the page to be friendly to those who have data caps.
It would be a big page with a plane which has 31 skins for it.
I like the idea and thought about it, but did not do it as there are very few skins with thumbnails.
We can make them pretty easily I would guess.
Have a text-only version for data considerations.
I see it as a marketing opportunity for you. People are attracted by pictures. That's more vital than restricting data if you ask me.
Who even has a data cap that a few small pictures would impact? Seems like a tiny segment to me.
Offer both.
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/2nd_K_S_by_Greebo_zpsb73cvhed.png~original)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/2nd_K_S_TH_by_Greebo_zpsmisulohj.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/2nd_k_s_by_Greebo_zpsaswrykmx.png)
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/203rd_K_TH_by_Greebo_zpsntwcvjzf.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/203rd_K_by_Greebo_zps9pcnklw5.png)
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/201_K_TH_by_Greebo_zpswjs6io5w.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/201_K_by_Greebo_zps9bbkipvp.png)
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/2nd_K_S_by_Greebo_zpsb73cvhed.png~original)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/2nd_K_S_TH_by_Greebo_zpsmisulohj.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/2nd_k_s_by_Greebo_zpsaswrykmx.png)
:aok
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/T_A_G_by_Greebo_TH_zpsxfvzyimg.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/T_A_G_by_Greebo_zpsgr2f2bpi.png)
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Nicely done, Arlo. Your stock with me has gone up in value. :salute :cheers: :aok
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I didn't know you were a stockholder. ;) It's all good. Thumb-making and screenshot profiles are both easier than skinning and, after working on a terrain for two hours (unsuccessfully), infinitely easier than that. I still intend to come up with a terrain that'll be fun for the Iowa class. :salute :cheers:
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I didn't know you were a stockholder. ;) It's all good. Thumb-making and screenshot profiles are both easier than skinning and, after working on a terrain for two hours (unsuccessfully), infinitely easier than that. I still intend to come up with a terrain that'll be fun for the Iowa class. :salute :cheers:
What's the data hit on that thumbnail? Can't be much.
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What's the data hit on that thumbnail? Can't be much.
20-30 kb images. But I hafta rely on Roy's judgement. 300-400 kb per profile but those can be shrunk down more. I'm still a novice at this.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/zuikaku_FG_by_Busa01_zpszhjzbyyb.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/zuikaku_FG_by_Busa01_zpsy0sycqeo.png)
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/zuikaku_AG_by_Greebo_TH_zpsiv5qsxlq.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/zuikaku_AG_by_Greebo_zpskwwkvdcy.png)
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(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/tainan_F_G_TH_by_Busa01_zpswu3v0v0r.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/tainan_FG_by_Busa01_zpszuqckrty.png)
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20-30 kb images. But I hafta rely on Roy's judgement. 300-400 kb per profile but those can be shrunk down more. I'm still a novice at this.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/zuikaku_FG_by_Busa01_zpszhjzbyyb.png)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/zuikaku_FG_by_Busa01_zpsy0sycqeo.png)
So, 30KB x 31 per aircraft type. That's really not bad, IMHO.
I understand Roy's concern here, but I think that's the responsibility of the end user. You do what you can to have a page that isn't bloated with code, but if someone can't afford to use less than one MB per airplane type to view a thumbnail gallery then I suspect they're not gonna' play the game any way.
Just my $0.02 - YMMV. :salute
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Have you guys been asleep for a few years. There are tons of copies of images from books and websites posted in this forum/topic. How is that any less 'illegal'?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342114.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342114.0.html) for example.
I saw this and there can be some league issues Hitech could face. Only reason I am say this because I know a web site a German guy did who did a amazing job on Luftwaffe, American, Russian and Japanese setting from units all the down to individual plane in fighter squad. A lot of the planes he posted were art work and did not have permission to used them on his site. He was facing with a international copy right lawsuit if he did not shut the site down.
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I saw this and there can be some league issues Hitech could face. Only reason I am say this because I know a web site a German guy did who did a amazing job on Luftwaffe, American, Russian and Japanese setting from units all the down to individual plane in fighter squad. A lot of the planes he posted were art work and did not have permission to used them on his site. He was facing with a international copy right lawsuit if he did not shut the site down.
Arlo has solved that problem for us if HTC goes that route.
Go for it, Skuzzy. Don't miss the forest for the trees.