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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: alpini13 on February 04, 2017, 11:01:19 AM
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just a few questions about the feb fso. i noticed that the side split was supposed to be 50/50....the allies had 121 as opposed to the axis 99. im sure in a scenario a 5-6 pilot difference is probably normal...but 22 more pilots? isnt that about 25% more than the 50/50 split that the cm team set for this event? and what happens when one side has such a huge advantage? are there penalties? is scoring affected? do they change the scanario for the next frame? or are the rules and guidlines simply ignored?
also i noticed the allies had a max number of 20 p-51b's for this frame. i believe they flew 22, thats over the max. again, are there penalties for this happening? and if so do they have a real effect on the scoring and outcome? if they dont then would that promote ignoring the guidlines by sides in future events and have sides simply pick the best aircraft they have,and excede the number knowing that the penalties will not make any difference.
the allies had 90 fighters in this scenario,plus 31 bomber pilots. the axis had 74 fighters plus 24 bomber destroyers. and so one side had a clear advantage in both catagories. this in a 50/50 split scenario. how will this be situation be addressed?
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Why are you always so negative?
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If every squad was within their min-max for squad numbers, it is what it is. You can't penalize someone because some people have real life things to do and others don't.
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lol...i am asking questions,looking to discuss what went on, and find out what happened....why would anybody think that is negative? unless they themselves have their own issues .i dont think this thread is about other issues and they should not be discussed here. just a discussion about the feb fso setup and results.
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if some squads were over there max, and its not an issue, then why do we have a commitment number that when they are over thier max they get a nasty pm about it? if the commitment number is just to see about how many will show up then why are there nasty pm's due to going over?
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just a few questions about the feb fso. i noticed that the side split was supposed to be 50/50....the allies had 121 as opposed to the axis 99. im sure in a scenario a 5-6 pilot difference is probably normal...but 22 more pilots? isnt that about 25% more than the 50/50 split that the cm team set for this event? and what happens when one side has such a huge advantage? are there penalties? is scoring affected? do they change the scanario for the next frame? or are the rules and guidlines simply ignored?
First you have to look at the DESIGN. Yes. The DESIGN calls for 50/50. With this being said. The squads are responsible for predicting their monthly numbers. You predict a RANGE. Then, lets say you predict 7-11 players for the month. You get a -/+ 2. Meaning you can have as few as 5 and as many as 13. This is PER SQUAD. If you have 20 squads (lets say 10 per side) and the 10 on one side had 17 under total and the other side had 20 over total show, yes, it will APPEAR lopsided.
This is exactly why we ask you, the squads to recruit and get participation. We lay out the guidelines. It is up to you (squads) to enforce the numbers you predicted. All we can do by the DESIGN is set a standard that allows you to flex and get your numbers up.
If a squad goes over their MAX allowed numbers (and their MIN numbers), we CMs reach out to that squad in private and address it with them directly. It is not public business to know the outcome of that but be aware that it is addressed every time.
also i noticed the allies had a max number of 20 p-51b's for this frame. i believe they flew 22, thats over the max. again, are there penalties for this happening? and if so do they have a real effect on the scoring and outcome? if they dont then would that promote ignoring the guidlines by sides in future events and have sides simply pick the best aircraft they have,and excede the number knowing that the penalties will not make any difference.
When scoring, yes. This is a penalty and points are deducted. The scoring CM addresses this and will usually write it up in the scores when posted exactly what penalty points are deducted. I do believe it is a hefty penalty.
the allies had 90 fighters in this scenario,plus 31 bomber pilots. the axis had 74 fighters plus 24 bomber destroyers. and so one side had a clear advantage in both catagories. this in a 50/50 split scenario. how will this be situation be addressed?
The individual plans come down to the Side CiCs. 31 individual bomber pilots (as opposed to 12 pilots with drones) is a CiC call. As long as the minimum requirements are met for each side and plane (min/max) requirements per the DESIGN then simply have fun. If you are the type to worry about points and the strategy, I recommend you volunteer to be a CiC when your squad is up for CiC duty. From that perspective you can plan your side's event. I think based on some of your historic comments regarding strategy, you would enjoy being a CiC. That is the ONLY way that can be addressed. Some view it as a situation and some simply don't. That is a personal preference thing that can ONLY be addressed at the CiC planning level.
Hope that answers all your questions.
:rock
SlipKnoT
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FSO could used AI on both sides. It might balance things out a bit more.
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FSO could used AI on both sides. It might balance things out a bit more.
That's something that can't be done on the fly or adjusted right before the start of an event.
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FSO could used AI on both sides. It might balance things out a bit more.
Oh hell no.
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FSO could used AI on both sides. It might balance things out a bit more.
I've been testing the AI with the AvA crew - it is awful.
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thank you for the answers.....but what about when the MAX allowable plane allowance is exceeded? what kind of penalties are imposed for that transgression?
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I've been testing the AI with the AvA crew - it is awful.
How so?
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How so?
3 main problems.
1.Guns in both fighters and bombers are crazy accurate.
2.Fighters maneuver at maximum performance indefinitely without issue.
3.Planes continue to fly and fight without wings for about 30 seconds after removal.
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3 main problems.
1.Guns in both fighters and bombers are crazy accurate.
2.Fighters maneuver at maximum performance indefinitely without issue.
3.Planes continue to fly and fight without wings for about 30 seconds after removal.
Ah, and I am guessing there is no way to adjust them? Has it been try?
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also i noticed the allies had a max number of 20 p-51b's for this frame. i believe they flew 22, thats over the max. again, are there penalties for this happening? and if so do they have a real effect on the scoring and outcome? if they dont then would that promote ignoring the guidlines by sides in future events and have sides simply pick the best aircraft they have,and excede the number knowing that the penalties will not make any difference.
Hi, I fly as Noser and assisted Tunes on the CIC plans. First, he did a role call and counted 20 P-51s, 24 P47d11 and 24 P38J's.
The squadrons were assigned as follows:
Side Assignments for Allied side of tour: "OVER THE REICH"
Squadname CO Commit CIC Frame one
367thFg'TheDynamiteGang'P51B DK Green Bremen CRX1 4 - 6
9GIAP VVS RKKA P51B DK Green Flt.Bremen Dantoo7-10
56th Fighter Group P47D11 LT Green Bremen. LilMak 7-10
412th FNVG Nefari B17G Red Flt. Bremen Nefari 16-21
49th Fighter Group P38J Red Flt / Blue Flt Bremen 49MERLIN 11-15
PigsOnTheWing 50/50 B17G/47D11 Red Flt / Blue Flt Bremen Waystin2 16-21
Arabian Knights P47D11 Red Flt / Blue Flt Hanover AKIndrid 7 - 10
Duxford Wing RAF B17G Red Flt / Blue Flt Hanover ds72 4 - 6
LCA B17G and P51B Red Flt / Blue Flt Hanover OldDoom 7-10
VF-17 Jolly Rogers P38J and P47D11 Red Flt / Blue Flt Hanover Branch37 7-10
Allied475thFighterGroup P51B Red/Blue Hanover Dawger 7-10
Total Commitments: Min: 93 Max: 129
We believe we showed due diligence and kept the numbers proper to the best of our abilities.
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We try our best Alpini but as you well know the CMs cannot control what squad #s will be in any given frame. Anyways I hope there was fun out there. :salute
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We try our best Alpini but as you well know the CMs cannot control what squad #s will be in any given frame. Anyways I hope there was fun out there. :salute
Does the CM team keep a spreadsheet of squad attendance numbers? Perhaps keeping one could help identify squads who are usually on the high or low side and factor that into the side balance as well. If one side has many squads that are usually low, you can recognize a potential balance problem before the first frame by looking back a couple of months. This way, you might be able to better estimate actual side attendance beyond just the collective min and max.
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Does the CM team keep a spreadsheet of squad attendance numbers?
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I used to track just that in XLS files, which was a very time-consuming, completely manual process. Aside from the usual slump in numbers around the major USA year-end holidays, I don't think we ever spotted any overall attendance patterns.
<shrug>
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Bino! You have had enough R & R! Get your tail back to work! I except your application within 48 hours!
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Yes. I accept and expect.
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thank you for the answers.....but what about when the MAX allowable plane allowance is exceeded? what kind of penalties are imposed for that transgression?
I thought I answered this question.
If a side exceeds the max allowed plane (s) for that frame a hefty penalty is incurred and would be annotated on the results of the frame when the points / scores are listed. I don't know how many points per plane. I think it depends on the situation and how a particular event is scored. But it is accounted for. That is a Design CM question but I do know it is addressed and annotated... Hope that helps.
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thank you all so much. i know in the past when i was on one side or another, when there was a plane with a max, they were assigned. specific units would be alotted so many until the max was reached....if there were more pilots in one of those squads, they were told to take other planes. thanks again.
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thank you all so much. i know in the past when i was on one side or another, when there was a plane with a max, they were assigned. specific units would be alotted so many until the max was reached....if there were more pilots in one of those squads, they were told to take other planes. thanks again.
Doing that is not a rule, per se, but it should be common sense for CiC's to write their orders that way.
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I can attest that one squad was over and we took one them in, to help keep balance and numbers where they should be. several months ago the allies came in short, ok no biggy. then a few months ago the axis came in short. it just swings back and forth. I don't see anyone making a big deal out of it, and there really isn't any way to control it, short of paying people to play the game. I don't understand why people want to either fix or analyze something that's out of everyone's control. fix what's fixable! this isn't!
my final answer is deal with it, stop trying to psycho-analyze it, and have fun!
JG54-- sometimes we all die, we have just as much fun as if we all lived. that's how we roll!
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well...once again, thanks for all the answers, i guess what everyone is trying to tell me is some people care about rules and some people dont care...thats just how they roll. thanks again
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well...once again, thanks for all the answers, i guess what everyone is trying to tell me is some people care about rules and some people dont care...thats just how they roll. thanks again
Alpini, I don't think that's a fair statement. Some "rules" should be look at as guidelines, something one should strive to adhere to as much as possible. I'm sure habitual offenders are dealt with in an appropriate manner so that things don't get out of hand. Simply because a rule gets bent a little, through rl issues, human error, whathaveyou, doesn't mean some of the participants in here don't care about the rules. I for one am glad we have them, and pray for a bit of leniency if or when our squad goes over the limit or doesn't meet the minimum, try as we might to do the right thing. :salute
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well...once again, thanks for all the answers, i guess what everyone is trying to tell me is some people care about rules and some people dont care...thats just how they roll. thanks again
No Allied squad was over/under their total pilot numbers that I can see. Sure, it looks as if a couple of folks launched in P51Bs instead of a Jug or Lightning.
As a member of the Axis, I feel it only fair that two P51Bs be scratched from the scoring... I hereby nominate Bluwaffle and Rud3boi :noid
:rofl :bolt:
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alpo does make a valid point.
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alpo does make a valid point.
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