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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: oakranger on February 07, 2017, 09:22:58 PM
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Would anybody know anything on this?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/IMG_0110_zpsxpejucul.jpg)
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(http://www.clubhyper.com/images/Ju-88-A-6_RLM-83_Finished_06_Klein.jpg)
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What Kg group?
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And any other information, sources? FN+MT from what I can see.
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All I could find online was that model pic.
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The plane's code is in the report - VR + FR. VR is the squadron indicator. Look for that.
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Pity.
That could be a Ju-88-C variant from the look of the FuG 2## Lichtenstein. Part of the NJG group.
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The plane's code is in the report - VR + FR. VR is the squadron indicator. Look for that.
I see FN+MT on that plane. Do you know anything about the JU-88 with deep blue paint?
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I see FN+MT on that plane. Do you know anything about the JU-88 with deep blue paint?
The model is not the same plane in the report.
I've seen RLM 72 represented as a deep blue on seplanes of the Kreigsmarine. But the color is referred to as a green.
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Yea, I see where you got the VR. My apologies.
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I got it. In that report is a Ju88A-14, WNr.550296, B3+AP of 6./KG54 which crashed at Horton Priory, Sellindge, Kent on the 21st January 1944. Interestingly the same unit as the Swiss captured Ju88A-4, B3+MH. This Ju88A-4 flew with 1./KG54? and landed in Dübendorf Switzerland on 21 October 1943 after the crew had lost their bearings. Also noted as having camouflage described as thus:
"The aircraft was painted water-blue (unknown hue) on its upper surfaces throughout, upon which a wave-type pattern (sand yellow Nr.79) had been sprayed." Merrick
This would be vary interesting to see photos of them.
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Bizarre color combination. Makes no sense to use blue with tan.
Here is a period color picture of a FW 200. RLM 72 is the color on the nose, which is a deep blue-green. Still, VR is the squad code you want to find for the plane in the report.
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Bizarre color combination. Makes no sense to use blue with tan.
Here is a period color picture of a FW 200. RLM 72 is the color on the nose, which is a deep blue-green. Still, VR is the squad code you want to find for the plane in the report.
That is another thing in question about RLM. The debate I have been reading was if RLM83 was deep blue or dark green. All this surrounds the JU-88 and Bf109G and Bf-109K that had a deep blue color. All this got started with Fw190A-8 WNr.17514. It's confusing that I am trying to make senses out of it.
Never less, important part is did these Ju-88 containing a deep blue paint exists. With what little reports we have it is not good enough to say yes.
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That is another thing in question about RLM. The debate I have been reading was if RLM83 was deep blue or dark green. All this surrounds the JU-88 and Bf109G and Bf-109K that had a deep blue color. All this got started with Fw190A-8 WNr.17514. It's confusing that I am trying to make senses out of it.
Never less, important part is did these Ju-88 containing a deep blue paint exists. With what little reports we have it is not good enough to say yes.
When it comes to the late war colors, there was wide variance in the colors actually painted. Also, with the variance in the fresh paints is variance seen when faded and weathered. Problem is that there have been no completely documented cases of Luftwaffe (not Kreigsmarine) planes using a blue camouflage. Like the report posted above , there are no pictures of these aircraft in "blue."
According to this post, RLM 83 was indeed blue, but was reserved for bombers operating over the Med.
http://theprofilepaintshop.blogspot.com/2014/03/barracuda-studios-bf109g-10-erla-decals.html
So there is a good possibility that VR+FR wore RLM 83. But we first need to figure out the unit and find a photo of an aircraft from that unit.
On the other hand, I am not inclined to believe reports of blue 109's and 190's.
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What Kg group?
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=22058
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When it comes to the late war colors, there was wide variance in the colors actually painted. Also, with the variance in the fresh paints is variance seen when faded and weathered. Problem is that there have been no completely documented cases of Luftwaffe (not Kreigsmarine) planes using a blue camouflage. Like the report posted above , there are no pictures of these aircraft in "blue."
According to this post, RLM 83 was indeed blue, but was reserved for bombers operating over the Med.
http://theprofilepaintshop.blogspot.com/2014/03/barracuda-studios-bf109g-10-erla-decals.html
So there is a good possibility that VR+FR wore RLM 83. But we first need to figure out the unit and find a photo of an aircraft from that unit.
On the other hand, I am not inclined to believe reports of blue 109's and 190's.
Here is another source on RLM from GYGES, http://www.gyges.dk/night_fighters_odds_and_ends.htm
As you can see there are three RLM83, RLM83v1, RLM83v2, RLM83v3. All green to olive color, however, RLM83.2 does look like a deep blue to me.
http://www.gyges.dk/Digital%20Luftwaffe%20WW2%20colours.pdf
It is my understanding that many Italy companies make the paint for Luftwaffe and image vehicles too. I bet they have some variation of RLM from one company to another.
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Here is another source on RLM from GYGES, http://www.gyges.dk/night_fighters_odds_and_ends.htm
As you can see there are three RLM83, RLM83v1, RLM83v2, RLM83v3. All green to olive color, however, RLM83.2 does look like a deep blue to me.
http://www.gyges.dk/Digital%20Luftwaffe%20WW2%20colours.pdf
It is my understanding that many Italy companies make the paint for Luftwaffe and image vehicles too. I bet they have some variation of RLM from one company to another.
It's funny that you see 83v.2 as blue because it's Red/Green/Blue value (6/9/0) indicates absolutely zero blue. It's a very dark brown that is nearly black. But that is just this particular interpretation.
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It's funny that you see 83v.2 as blue because it's Red/Green/Blue value (6/9/0) indicates absolutely zero blue. It's a very dark brown that is nearly black. But that is just this particular interpretation.
IDK, I can see some blue in it. Maybe separate on its own I may see it different.
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Interestingly the same unit as the Swiss captured Ju88A-4, B3+MH. This Ju88A-4 flew with 1./KG54? and landed in Dübendorf Switzerland on 21 October 1943 after the crew had lost their bearings. Also noted as having camouflage described as thus:
"The aircraft was painted water-blue (unknown hue) on its upper surfaces throughout, upon which a wave-type pattern (sand yellow Nr.79) had been sprayed." Merrick
This would be vary interesting to see photos of them.
I have this aircraft probably the most photographed JU-88 of the war photos are of the exterior and interior.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Junkers%20JU-88/www.pinterest.com_zpswtl1wcsf.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Junkers%20JU-88/www.pinterest.com_zpswtl1wcsf.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Junkers%20JU-88/Untitled%2054_zpsjzktci8r.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Junkers%20JU-88/Untitled%2054_zpsjzktci8r.jpg.html)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Junkers%20JU-88/Untitled%20B3%20MH_zpsuonpgayw.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/Junkers%20JU-88/Untitled%20B3%20MH_zpsuonpgayw.jpg.html)
The google translation wont show the photos on the English version so here are both links.
http://warbird.ch/wb-events/die-ju-88-mit-dem-schweizerkreuz/
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwarbird.ch%2Fwb-events%2Fdie-ju-88-mit-dem-schweizerkreuz%2F&edit-text=&act=url