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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JunkyII on February 28, 2017, 12:45:31 PM
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For anyone who doesn't know where to find this..
http://ahghelp.hitechcreations.com/help/index.php?mact=MatchScore%2Cmcec94%2Crank%2C0&mcec94returnid=139&mcec94dbid=2&mcec94mt=Head+to+Head&mcec94gameid=&submit=Submit (http://ahghelp.hitechcreations.com/help/index.php?mact=MatchScore%2Cmcec94%2Crank%2C0&mcec94returnid=139&mcec94dbid=2&mcec94mt=Head+to+Head&mcec94gameid=&submit=Submit)
My thoughts
1. What is M-Kills??? Manuever kills? Where the other person crashed or went away from the fight??
2. Do you plan on keeping this as a running rank/score or have tours like the MA?
3. Do you plan on creating an overall rank? I believe with this structure a player could easily manipulate the score(kind of similar to what I was talking about with the MA score). I could go in there and fight 2 weekers get 500 wins and zero losses and be number 1 overall but Bruv119 went in there and went 300-122 vs players like Rud3boi/Lazer/Joachim and be ranked 50 even though it takes more skill to achieve Bruv's results(in this example).
I would suggest it being on a running ladder.....everyone starts with X points. Initial unranked fights are for Y points until you fight say 10 fights, then you become ranked. Then the number of points you and your opponent are fighting for are based off your rank or lack there of.
Example (numbers would have to be found through some sort of algorithm...many games have similar styles for ranking...IE StarCraft)
Rank 1 pilot has 500 points vs Rank 50 pilot with 157 points. The rank 1 pilot is fighting to take 5 points or lose 15 points while the Rank 50 pilot is fighting for 15 points or lose 5.
If the rank 1 guy wins he would then have 505 points and the Rank 50 would have 152 points...Rank 1 guy loses he would have 485 points and the rank 50 guy would have 172 points.
This would either force players to grind against lesser skilled players(so put in a lot of hours) to get a high score or be competitive and fight to win against the higher skilled players.
My initial thoughts on the score page. :salute
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I don't like being scored at all. I am in there hanging it all out, going for broke, win, lose or draw, even against guys I know will beat me 99 out of 100. So for my being a good sport I wind up looking like a chump. :cry
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I don't like being scored at all. I am in there hanging it all out, going for broke, win, lose or draw, even against guys I know will beat me 99 out of 100. So for my being a good sport I wind up looking like a chump. :cry
I can understand that but you wouldn't have to know your score at all unless you looked at it.
Also to go along with the "tour" lengths, I think quarterly tours would be best...Why? Because 4 sets of ranks lends itself to a bracket and I personally think Aces High needs another dueling bracket....same with Squad dueling bracket.
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I thought score ruined the MA? :headscratch:
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It's not scoring, it is simply the rank in each statistical catagory. Click on the columns header to rank by that category.
Yes M-Kills is Maneuver.
HiTech
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I thought score ruined the MA? :headscratch:
I never thought it ruined it, I think it's not competitive enough because it's easily manipulated...now some of those people going for high fighter rank definitely have dweebery type tactics but people are going to do that with or without score.
It's not scoring, it is simply the rank in each statistical catagory. Click on the columns header to rank by that category.
Yes M-Kills is Maneuver.
HiTech
I want to be RANK 1 so bad in 1v1s :rofl :rofl :rofl...seriously I haven't wanted anything so bad in Aces High ever since before I won a KOTH like 5 years ago :airplane:
If the day comes that you add a rank system please please please make it ultra competitive. :rock :rock :rock
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I can understand that but you wouldn't have to know your score at all unless you looked at it.
I don't. But others do. The only place I even remotely care about score is the MA, and even that not so much except to compare myself to how I was when I started.
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people keep score in this game? really? I thought it was about fun! :D
maneuver kills? does that mean they didn't merely shoot them in the face, but rather actually have a real dog fight and shoot them from the 6 oclock position?
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people keep score in this game? really? I thought it was about fun! :D
maneuver kills? does that mean they didn't merely shoot them in the face, but rather actually have a real dog fight and shoot them from the 6 oclock position?
No they crashed or went outside the border
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I like the idea of score in the match play arena. I can finally achieve #1 in a rank lol!
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dang Maneuver..... I thought it was when you scared the crap out of someone.
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If I enter there, and then get slotted into a rank, I'll never go in there again. I agree with the comment that you go on there to let it all hang out. Win, lose, or draw I don't care. But I won't go in there if I'm to be graded.
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My initial thoughts on the score page.
FWIW, please note my objection to rank in the Match Play arena. I believe it both encourages bad behavior (HOs, as a wild example) while discouraging new players who are checking out a free arena. Rank is for the MAs, not the boutique arenas.
- oldman
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Its not a "score" page, nor really a "rank" page there is no "over-all" ranking. All it is is a stats page.
If people want to build a "ranking" system out of duels..... well thats just said.
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I don't like the idea of scoring in the DA - match play. It's creates unnecessary dogma and extra tension. It should be for fun unless they want to score on their own merit. I don't think any score statistics should even be visible. In other words all counters should be disabled. It makes score more exciting to play for in the MA. Score brings a lot of emotional psychology into the mix when it's better off if both players are scored equally (no rank) entering the DA.
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I understand all points and seems like I'm part of the minority...trust me I can live without it, I won't go posting about it like I do with the town resupply :devil
Also after spending some more time in there...1 thing will always skew those ranks...which plane vs your plane....you queue in a A6M vs a KI61 you are probably going to win unless the other gets lucky or is just more skilled then you. The F4U4, Spit 16 ect ect ect would run that rank system.
If people want to build a "ranking" system out of duels..... well thats just said.
Was that suppose to be sad? If so you can GTFO...just because some of us our very competitive by nature isn't a bad thing....
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I find the data to be perfect for the arena it's in. It isn't a score,ladder or ranking from what I see. It is simply a tally sheet of what you've done in the DA. And the best part about it is, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT! Damn fine option right there IMHO.
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I find the data to be perfect for the arena it's in. It isn't a score,ladder or ranking from what I see. It is simply a tally sheet of what you've done in the DA. And the best part about it is, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT! Damn fine option right there IMHO.
Get this man a coat!! He speaks the truth.
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Get this man a coat!! He speaks the truth.
I gotta' disagree.
I don't want my stats visible to be made a mockery of out of context.
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I find the data to be perfect for the arena it's in. It isn't a score,ladder or ranking from what I see. It is simply a tally sheet of what you've done in the DA. And the best part about it is, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT! Damn fine option right there IMHO.
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Put your big boy pants on, leave your tiny, easily bruised EGO at the door, suck it up and go play.
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I look at them and dont care. If I cared I wouldnt look. :D
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I look at them and dont care. If I cared I wouldnt look. :D
If I cared I wouldn't have fought you for three hours and kept losing. But haters gonna' hate. Posting this scoring for the world to see is not going to be used for any good purpose, rather just to grief others.
If the scoring stays I likely won't be in that arena. All the more incentive to keep it, apparently.
This arena should be about fun not public score.
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*reads thread*
*shakes head in disbelief*
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*reads thread*
*shakes head in disbelief*
Why? Don't tease me Snail :devil
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Vraciu,
Different personality types = different expectations from the game.
DA types like the notches on their pistol handle, it's part of being a gunslinger. If you are not pure DA type, and your skill is not up to par, you may be embarrassed by the lack of notches on your handle. Some of them are naturals with computer games and some enjoyed working their kesters off to achieve their notches because it gave them a mountain to climb. That does not mean they are a better man than you in real life, and no one in the real world cares about their abilities in a kiddy game.
Personally, the people that matter what is thought of you, will be those very gunslingers who always respect a player who keeps getting back up and going at it again. How many of them do you really believe will read the score sheet every night then run into MA and start telling the arena on 200 you are a worthless weenie with a 0-100 loss record? And the passing transient who does, anyone with two rocks to pound into sand will be thinking, wow wonder what he's learning dueling with those guys.
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I understand all points and seems like I'm part of the minority...trust me I can live without it, I won't go posting about it like I do with the town resupply :devil
Also after spending some more time in there...1 thing will always skew those ranks...which plane vs your plane....you queue in a A6M vs a KI61 you are probably going to win unless the other gets lucky or is just more skilled then you. The F4U4, Spit 16 ect ect ect would run that rank system.
Was that suppose to be sad? If so you can GTFO...just because some of us our very competitive by nature isn't a bad thing....
Yes it was, sorry. The "competition" should be for the fights, NOT whos name is at the top of a list. Especially in this situation. There are just far too many variables to make a "king of the Hill" .... oh wait, we all ready have that ! :rolleyes:
In time you'll learn that getting your name at the top of a list isn't what you thought it was.
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Yes it was, sorry. The "competition" should be for the fights, NOT whos name is at the top of a list. Especially in this situation. There are just far too many variables to make a "king of the Hill" .... oh wait, we all ready have that ! :rolleyes:
In time you'll learn that getting your name at the top of a list isn't what you thought it was.
You are an absolute idiot if you think making something competitive means it's just for getting your name in lights....you talk about a fight??? I have had and watched many fights in KOTH which are the most intense the game has to offer....and it's because of that wanting to win that fights become that good. You know absolutely nothing about a dogfight in this game if that is your opinion...SDL....competitive, saw the best squad on squad fights in the game...KOTH competitive, is easily the most consistent fights in the entire game...1v1 bracket competitive the final rounds are intense matches....
Being competitive doesn't mean being cocky or having an ego....in this case you are showing you can't have your ego hurt in a competitive event like KOTH....who really has the ego? The guys not afraid to lose to get better or the guy afraid to compete because he's a afraid to lose.
Cake eater
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You are an absolute idiot if you think making something competitive means it's just for getting your name in lights....you talk about a fight??? I have had and watched many fights in KOTH which are the most intense the game has to offer....and it's because of that wanting to win that fights become that good. You know absolutely nothing about a dogfight in this game if that is your opinion...SDL....competitive, saw the best squad on squad fights in the game...KOTH competitive, is easily the most consistent fights in the entire game...1v1 bracket competitive the final rounds are intense matches....
Being competitive doesn't mean being cocky or having an ego....in this case you are showing you can't have your ego hurt in a competitive event like KOTH....who really has the ego? The guys not afraid to lose to get better or the guy afraid to compete because he's a afraid to lose.
Cake eater
Again your arrogance out flies your brain. As you quoted this line of my post....
"If people want to build a "ranking" system out of duels..... well thats just said."
I was saying that creating a ranking system out of the dueling arena is sad, NOT that the dueling arena, KOTH, ladders or any other type of competition or fighting is sad.
As I said, the competition IS the fighting, NOT the ranking. Any and all ranking can and is gamed, but going head to head in a duel is a skill and is competition.
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DA Now! All of you! :rofl
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The drop down menus don't appear scrollable to me. Specifically the vs. aircraft type. Would also be nice if the dialog box was size enabled, might be my resolution but to get everything properly sized (menus) inside the current box, text is very small.
+1 for keeping the stats visible/available.
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The drop down menus don't appear scrollable to me. Specifically the vs. aircraft type. Would also be nice if the dialog box was size enabled, might be my resolution but to get everything properly sized (menus) inside the current box, text is very small.
+1 for keeping the stats visible/available.
Ctrl Mouse wheel
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Didn't work, maybe a mouse setting for me. CTL and mouse wheel just adjusted the zoom box. Will play with it more later.
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I had some fun fights with Hitech in there this evening. If you see a Yak 9T watch out!! He flies the big cannon ;)
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Again your arrogance out flies your brain. As you quoted this line of my post....
"If people want to build a "ranking" system out of duels..... well thats just said."
I was saying that creating a ranking system out of the dueling arena is sad, NOT that the dueling arena, KOTH, ladders or any other type of competition or fighting is sad.
As I said, the competition IS the fighting, NOT the ranking. Any and all ranking can and is gamed, but going head to head in a duel is a skill and is competition.
The ranking is an incentive to compete you big dummy...you must not play ANY other video game, a lot of the biggest ones are so big not because of graphics they are so large because of a RANKING system which has grew them into what are called E sports....example CSGO(or league of legends or DOTA2 ect ect ect) has CRAP graphics compared to call of duty but the ranking system is so complex it addicts players....your comment saying "its sad" is showing your ignorance in the gaming industry when it comes to rankings to competitive skill based games(which Aces high is a skill based simulator with a competitive scene) a ranking system, which nobody would notice if they didnt want to(just like the MA) may attract more players BUT like I said before your ignorant comment there are variables which you couldn't account for unless you restricted the system....which I doubt Hitech wants to do....he'd probably rather see another another event made.
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The ranking is an incentive to compete you big dummy...you must not play ANY other video game, a lot of the biggest ones are so big not because of graphics they are so large because of a RANKING system which has grew them into what are called E sports....example CSGO(or league of legends or DOTA2 ect ect ect) has CRAP graphics compared to call of duty but the ranking system is so complex it addicts players....your comment saying "its sad" is showing your ignorance in the gaming industry when it comes to rankings to competitive skill based games(which Aces high is a skill based simulator with a competitive scene) a ranking system, which nobody would notice if they didnt want to(just like the MA) may attract more players BUT like I said before your ignorant comment there are variables which you couldn't account for unless you restricted the system....which I doubt Hitech wants to do....he'd probably rather see another another event made.
Again you miss the point. Carry on, we'll talk again once you mature.
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Vraciu,
Different personality types = different expectations from the game.
DA types like the notches on their pistol handle, it's part of being a gunslinger. If you are not pure DA type, and your skill is not up to par, you may be embarrassed by the lack of notches on your handle. Some of them are naturals with computer games and some enjoyed working their kesters off to achieve their notches because it gave them a mountain to climb. That does not mean they are a better man than you in real life, and no one in the real world cares about their abilities in a kiddy game.
Personally, the people that matter what is thought of you, will be those very gunslingers who always respect a player who keeps getting back up and going at it again. How many of them do you really believe will read the score sheet every night then run into MA and start telling the arena on 200 you are a worthless weenie with a 0-100 loss record? And the passing transient who does, anyone with two rocks to pound into sand will be thinking, wow wonder what he's learning dueling with those guys.
I'm not there for scalps. I'm not there for score. I'm not there for rank. Im not there for bragging rights. Im there to fight and leave everything on the table.
I will be at the bottom of every category probably. Knowing that is a disincentive to show up. I want to fight and have fun without my score/rank (or lack thereof) publicly displayed. It's a distraction. Even seeing my score and thinking it was private was a disappointment. I don't want to know my wins/losses. I just want to have fun.
-1000 to public rank in Dueling. I want to be able to opt out of it. I'm not interested in score there any more than I was in the free 8-player arena days.
But since I'm against it we can be assured everyone will be kneejerk in favor of it.
:bhead
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The ranking is an incentive to compete
Simply by entering Match Play, you've shown your willingness to compete.
If you mean, let's draw people in from the MAs with an incentive to become honchos in the Match Play arena....I don't believe the Match Play arena is intended to drain off MA folks.
Score, or stats, whatever, in the Match Play arena, to me, is like landing kills in the old DA. Why? You're there to have a fight, not to show people how good you are. The fight itself does that.
- oldman
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Simply by entering Match Play, you've shown your willingness to compete.
If you mean, let's draw people in from the MAs with an incentive to become honchos in the Match Play arena....I don't believe the Match Play arena is intended to drain off MA folks.
Score, or stats, whatever, in the Match Play arena, to me, is like landing kills in the old DA. Why? You're there to have a fight, not to show people how good you are. The fight itself does that.
- oldman
Like the old dueling arena had a following which boosted MA numbers...now it's free which gives the game a self advertising effect....Fugitive saying a ranking system is sad is his ignorance in the gamer community...a lot want a ranking system....the fact the top 10 in the MA is similar every month is proof of that. Now I've already conceded that it wouldn't work because of variables but I'm pointing out he's clueless.
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could it be that there are only 10 players who are stil naive enough to think having their name at the top of a list is important?
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Could it be that players play the way they want and the score is a result of their gameplay, that their gameplay is not a result of their score?
I think there are far too many that think that most people play for score.
Look at it this way, I normally have a high K/D because I don't like being shot down, not, I don't like being shot down because it affects my score.
Or, I have a low K/H because I don't care about instant action and enjoy going up high and hunting, I'm not doing it to have a low K/H, it's a result of how I play.
Maybe the 10 ten guys are there because that's how they play, and their score is a result, not a goal.
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Be it in your head or on the HTC website all you do is fly for "score". Be it from leaving a squaddie hanging to having a shade account to help you "hunt" bombers.
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maybe hitech should run the scores from worst to best, this way the worst guys are #1 and everyone will be fighting to be last!! :bolt:
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maybe hitech should run the scores from worst to best, this way the worst guys are #1 and everyone will be fighting to be last!! :bolt:
I would finally be #1.
Maybe we can do it like bowling. I get a handicap.
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Could it be that players play the way they want and the score is a result of their gameplay, that their gameplay is not a result of their score?
I think there are far too many that think that most people play for score.
Look at it this way, I normally have a high K/D because I don't like being shot down, not, I don't like being shot down because it affects my score.
Or, I have a low K/H because I don't care about instant action and enjoy going up high and hunting, I'm not doing it to have a low K/H, it's a result of how I play.
Maybe the 10 ten guys are there because that's how they play, and their score is a result, not a goal.
Oh for sure some are because of how people play the game...but look at the gaming community in general. The top viewed games at any given time are Dota2, League of Legends, and Counter Strike....what do all three games have in common? They are competitive skill based games. They hook players with their gameplay but the rank system has a huge part of why players stay....that's why more and more games keep adding them...heck doesn't GTA5 have one now??? Even here in Aces High there is definitely a good number of people who are competitive, who push themselves to be better then what they were last month....example Vraciu's comment about his MA score being to check for self improvement...he is a competitive players...he is competing against himself...he might not see it the same way but it is the same. A ranking system shouldn't ever be seen as an ego thing, the fact is if you are worried about that you are the one with the fragile ego....which is honestly a big issue in this community. More evidence that a good size portion the community likes a competitive match is this...KOTH, proportionally we haven't slumped ad much as other events...14 is the number we were seeing this last year....but we used to get 25-30... which is about half...but other events have lost a lot more then half. Shows the competitive structure is keeping players around....
Like I said, I no longer think a competitive ranking would work in the DA BUT to say something is Sad because it has a ranking structure attached to it just shows ignorance to what a lot of gamers are looking for in a game....when a gamer says he wants to find a game he can dig his teeth into, he's talking about one where he can develop and get better...flat out gameplay does that in Aces High....but a ranking system could help.
In the end it was just a suggestion, Fugitive just needs to understand he knows nothing like Jon Snow.
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It is not an ego thing. It's an abuse thing. I take enough crap on here and 200 as it is (including score). I prefer not to give people more hand grenades to throw at me over my play in the Match Arena.
If my stats are public then I will just stick to mediocrity in the MA and leave Match to others.
Nobody will avoid the place for lack of public stats. However, some will avoid it because of same. It's not worth it.
I know I will be disagreed with because that's SOP around here but whatever. I'm always game for a fight at all hours so my absence will mean at least a few less contests there.
Just my $0.02. :salute
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It is not an ego thing. It's an abuse thing. I take enough crap on here and 200 as it is (including score). I prefer not to give people more hand grenades to throw at me over my play in the Match Arena.
If my stats are public then I will just stick to mediocrity in the MA and leave Match to others.
Nobody will avoid the place for lack of public stats. However, some will avoid it because of same. It's not worth it.
I know I will be disagreed with because that's SOP around here but whatever. I'm always game for a fight at all hours so my absence will mean at least a few less contests there.
Just my $0.02. :salute
Valid point but the players who would do that are the most toxic of the community....which also brings up something that applies to KOTH...a lot of people won't give it a chance because they think there's people puffing their chests out in there...when the fact is 99% of it is high levels of sportsmanship. Got to assume most people to the good thing over the bad.
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Maybe this cycle of DA\Match Arena will not result in a gang of self serving narcissistic greifers for several years abusing the MA in general about none are worthy to be in the same air with them. That got old watching grown men acting that way. You would think that gets outgrown by around 6 years old.
If a ranking system in a pure mano e mano arena with a score board to keep a scalp count is what keeps 12 or so vets inspired and paying their subscription, takes all kinds to make a community. Now they have more confidence in Hitech because he gave them something they asked for.
You could always wish for a toggle that says you bow out from having your score in that arena. But, some greifer would look up who you fought, then run their score to see how many times they died to you. Even if there was no score at all in that arena, word of mouth in our community is just as poisonous.
Vriacu you have already admitted your level of ability so you are no threat to anyone else's self esteem in the Dueling arena. And the people who matter in there, you have already shown you got game by showing up all the time. It's very doubtful anyone will plaster your stats all over the general forum or on 200 and start a Vriacu is sissy boy initiative to embarrass you. And if they did, so what, this is a kiddy game played by a bunch of grown men...........
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Keep the scores. I like seeing my win percentage :)
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Ace: Win percentage doesn't need to be public for you to see your own.
At Junky and Bustr: :salute :cheers:
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Maybe this cycle of DA\Match Arena will not result in a gang of self serving narcissistic greifers for several years abusing the MA in general about none are worthy to be in the same air with them. That got old watching grown men acting that way. You would think that gets outgrown by around 6 years old.
If a ranking system in a pure mano e mano arena with a score board to keep a scalp count is what keeps 12 or so vets inspired and paying their subscription, takes all kinds to make a community. Now they have more confidence in Hitech because he gave them something they asked for.
You could always wish for a toggle that says you bow out from having your score in that arena. But, some greifer would look up who you fought, then run their score to see how many times they died to you. Even if there was no score at all in that arena, word of mouth in our community is just as poisonous.
Vriacu you have already admitted your level of ability so you are no threat to anyone else's self esteem in the Dueling arena. And the people who matter in there, you have already shown you got game by showing up all the time. It's very doubtful anyone will plaster your stats all over the general forum or on 200 and start a Vriacu is sissy boy initiative to embarrass you. And if they did, so what, this is a kiddy game played by a bunch of grown men...........
The griefers from the old DA weren't good...in fact every time they'd come try to grief they would only get slaughtered.
You all got to understand, there's a good size portion of this population who have been beating the crap out of eachother for years without any drama of the sort...seriously I've had my fair share of fights against Yucca, Creton, Bruv, TC, Spek, Joachim, Krup, Lazer, Violator, ect ect ect and you never hear about issues in those fights, it's a mutual respect...How often do you see NFL players talking crap after the game? Not often but it is over dramatized by the masses. Majority exercise good sportsmanship.