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Title: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 06, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
I wish to have a cannon option for the Mk I. While the Mk I did not have cannons IRL the mk II had and since the differences between the two was very small it would imo ok to have a cannon option for the Mk I, as we have for other planes like the I-16.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: lunatic1 on March 07, 2017, 08:12:17 AM
I can tell you if it didn't have them in real life it's not going to have them here sorry

in real life the I-16 had the option of using the 20mm cannons. go online and check the specifications.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 07, 2017, 08:24:56 AM
Thats not an issue, further investigations shows that there indeed existed cannon armed Mk I:s as well (called Ib) but they were rare and unpopular due to unreliable guns. But cannon armed Mk I:s saw combat in 1940 with the 19th Squadron.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: jimbo71 on March 07, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
You'll put your eye out kid
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Bruv119 on March 07, 2017, 12:20:12 PM
spit ixc   4 20mm  :)
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: lyric1 on March 07, 2017, 12:25:02 PM
spit ixc   4 20mm  :)

A dog.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 07, 2017, 12:42:12 PM
spit ixc   4 20mm  :)


I like it a lot:
(http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/6/0/3/1380306.jpg?v=v40)
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Bruv119 on March 07, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
A dog.
should still turn inside 190s and 410s just fine :)

whilst we are at it lets have a clipped spit v,  a seafire III,  spit mk xii a griffon that might actually be flyable and throw in one version that does have a bubble canopy.  spits in AH are so hard done by!
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 07, 2017, 12:54:33 PM
Or just allow us to build our own spits, select a mark, then, engine, wings, armament, canopy etc.

On a serious note: 2x20mm with 60 rpg would give the Mk I a little punch at least, it will not turn it into an uber bird but it might see the outside of the hangar once in a while.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: lunatic1 on March 08, 2017, 08:26:12 AM
lets see how I can say this----rules for a vehicle or plane to be in this game---numbers built-time in service<--service record-battle history etc. Spit 1 made it in with .303's  apparently the 20mm plane didn't.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 08, 2017, 08:47:13 AM
Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_(early_Merlin-powered_variants)#Mk_I_.28Type_300.29

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One of the most important modifications to the Spitfire was to replace the machine gun armament with wing mounted Hispano 20 mm cannon. In December 1938, Joseph Smith was instructed to prepare a scheme to equip a Spitfire with a single Hispano mounted under each wing. Smith objected to the idea and designed an installation in which the cannon were mounted on their sides within the wing, with only small external blisters on the upper and lower wing surfaces covering the 60 round drum magazine. The first Spitfire armed with a single Hispano in each wing was L1007 which was posted to Drem in January 1940 for squadron trials. On 13 January, this aircraft, piloted by Plt Off Proudman of 602 Squadron took part in an engagement when a Heinkel He 111 was shot down. Soon after this Supermarine was contracted to convert 30 Spitfires to take the cannon armed wing; 19 Squadron received the first of these in June 1940 and by 16 August, 24 cannon armed Spitfires had been delivered. These were known as the Mk IB: Mk Is armed with eight Brownings were retrospectively called the Mk Ia. With the early cannon installation, jamming was a serious problem. In one engagement, only two of the 12 aircraft had been able to fire off all of their ammunition. Further cannon-armed Spitfires, with improvements to the cannon mounts, were later issued to 92 Squadron, but due to the limited magazine capacity it was eventually decided the best armament mix was two cannon and four machine guns (most of these were later converted to the first Mk VBs).
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Dobs on March 08, 2017, 09:13:44 AM
24 planes--appears you not only want your cake, but want to eat it too... Turny turny with fire power:) 

The last line of "converted to MK Vs" is your answer....:)  It is there, just fly the Mk V.



Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 08, 2017, 09:23:12 AM
24 planes--appears you not only want your cake, but want to eat it too... Turny turny with fire power:) 

The last line of "converted to MK Vs" is your answer....:)  It is there, just fly the Mk V.

An A6m5 would be a better choice for a cannon armed turner. The Spit I is quite different from a mk V in handling, with cannons the spit I would still be quite a challenge to fly but at least a few of all the assists could convert into kills.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Scca on March 08, 2017, 01:47:17 PM
Landed 4 in a Spit I Sunday.  The .303's work fine for me :)
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Becinhu on March 08, 2017, 02:52:34 PM
Landed 4 in a Spit I Sunday.  The .303's work fine for me :)

It's all about convergence. And death by 1000 cuts lol


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Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Scca on March 08, 2017, 03:31:32 PM
It's all about convergence. And death by 1000 cuts lol


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Yes, yes...  Convergence at 200, wait till the wings fill the circle...  Like a buzz saw....
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: caldera on March 08, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
Landed 4 in a Spit I Sunday.  The .303's work fine for me :)

Some weirdo I know has more kills in the Mk.I than any other Spit.   :banana:

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/spit.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/spit.jpg.html)

Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Oldman731 on March 08, 2017, 08:56:44 PM
Yes, yes...  Convergence at 200, wait till the wings fill the circle...  Like a buzz saw....


Agreed.  I've set mine to 175.  The important thing is to wait until you're 200 or under.

- oldman
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Scca on March 08, 2017, 09:07:14 PM

Agreed.  I've set mine to 175.  The important thing is to wait until you're 200 or under.

- oldman
I use the circle of the sight reticle. If the wings span the circle, you're in the butter zone.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: Zimme83 on March 09, 2017, 02:01:55 AM
I have convergence at 175 on the Mk I, the challenge is to get that close and being able to fire long enough to land fatal damage. And too often a LW monster zooms in to clear your 12 and blows your victim away just before you are about to finish him off.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: save on March 10, 2017, 12:39:28 AM
Thats pretty much how I see the LA-7 3-cannon option, few percent  entered the war, and with same weight as the 2-gun version, and 99.99% fly the 3-gun version.


24 planes--appears you not only want your cake, but want to eat it too... Turny turny with fire power:) 

The last line of "converted to MK Vs" is your answer....:)  It is there, just fly the Mk V.
Title: Re: More cannons for the Spitfire
Post by: JVboob on March 21, 2017, 09:08:38 PM
IDK the accuracy or if it was a thing, but i miss the spit 9 having the choice between 4 .303 and 2 20mm or 2 .50 and 2 20mm.