The smile on his face after he gets it down is great.
This guy was BUSY!
In 36 years of heavy jet flying, I have never seen anyone use control inputs like that. Suspect he might have been adding to his own workload.
Title: Re: Landing a plane in high winds
Post by: Zoney on March 20, 2017, 05:36:11 PM
Thanks Busher. I'm not a pilot so I wouldn't know, I appreciate your opinion. He really looked overwhelmed. If it was aces high he would have gotten the message "Don't move your controls so rapidly".
Title: Re: Landing a plane in high winds
Post by: colmbo on March 20, 2017, 09:21:35 PM
Have never flown a jet but as Busher said, that looked like a lot of control movement.
Flew an ILS one hot, muggy afternoon. It was pretty bumpy, I was working about like the guy in the video. The -17 is pretty sluggish -- it takes big control movements and it's heavy on the controls. My wife was standing behind my seat watching the show and after landing during the taxi to parking, me with sweat running off my face and a soaked shirt, she says with that innocent look that women have "Was it really that hard or were you just messing around?" :D
Title: Re: Landing a plane in high winds
Post by: eagl on March 21, 2017, 01:45:55 AM
Looked to me like a lot of "extra" pitch input, but I have never flown a 737. I will say that the aileron inputs were likely necessary. I haven't had to go full-deflection in the A320 yet but I've been all over the roll inputs in pretty bad crosswinds and while you can be slower on the controls and still be safe, precise but fast roll inputs can dramatically improve the ride quality for the 180+ potential barf generators sitting in the back. I've never had to input anywhere near that much pitch control in the bus, however the flight controls in the airbus command pitch rate so the plane is doing most of that work for you up until it transitions to a different control law in the roundout/flare. Even in the flare the flight controls still input pitch rate instead of directly moving the elevators, but there is a nose-down bias as speed decreases in the roundout and flare to give a "normal" pitch feel for landing. It all works surprisingly well and the plane feels natural to fly. You can tell that the plane weighs a lot but the control response is remarkably consistent across all normal flight conditions.
The A320 is pretty dang easy to fly and land, at least for someone with my background. Even the trainers I taught in for 9 years are considered high performance in the civilian world, so a lot of the basics I learned in the F-15E and taught in the T-37 and T-6 transfer over to the bigger planes. I've flown with a couple of experienced captains who seem to still have some trouble making things work out smoothly, but I haven't had any problems even in some fairly gusty winds on landing. I'm quite sure that eventually I'll prang it in since it happens to pretty much everyone at some point, but so far its been straightforward. I still get the thrust reversers deployed a second or so after the experienced guys will pop them out and my braking technique still needs some massaging to help minimize brake heating, but I'm pretty sure I'll pick that up just fine as I gain experience.
But... Yea. That video looked like there was a LOT of pitch input that wouldn't work at all in the airbus or in any other plane I've flown. That much pitch input even in the airbus would alternately pin passengers to the ceiling or put 2+ Gs on them.
Title: Re: Landing a plane in high winds
Post by: Vraciu on March 21, 2017, 02:11:20 AM
Have never flown a jet but as Busher said, that looked like a lot of control movement.
Flew an ILS one hot, muggy afternoon. It was pretty bumpy, I was working about like the guy in the video. The -17 is pretty sluggish -- it takes big control movements and it's heavy on the controls. My wife was standing behind my seat watching the show and after landing during the taxi to parking, me with sweat running off my face and a soaked shirt, she says with that innocent look that women have "Was it really that hard or were you just messing around?" :D
Title: Re: Landing a plane in high winds
Post by: Wiley on March 21, 2017, 11:20:30 AM
Have never flown a jet but as Busher said, that looked like a lot of control movement.
Flew an ILS one hot, muggy afternoon. It was pretty bumpy, I was working about like the guy in the video. The -17 is pretty sluggish -- it takes big control movements and it's heavy on the controls. My wife was standing behind my seat watching the show and after landing during the taxi to parking, me with sweat running off my face and a soaked shirt, she says with that innocent look that women have "Was it really that hard or were you just messing around?" :D
:rofl Those are the moments that either cement a relationship, or cause shallow graves.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Landing a plane in high winds
Post by: Vraciu on March 21, 2017, 11:32:32 AM