I would STRONGLY re-iterate all the past posts I've made with stats, facts, numbers, and history behind them and request once again that the Ju-88 has no place being in the BoB scenario. Especially not when we have the proper He-111 to use instead of the 1942-era Ju-88 that was the primary model used in the invasion of Russia.
+1 and lets also remove the 110's or limit them to the first 3 hours segment along with the stukas. whilst we are at it.
I don't want to be engaging BnZ 110s in the middle of a 109 vs Hurri spit furball over London.
My 109s arent gonna let u live long enough to worry about all that :devil
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+1 and lets also remove the 110's or limit them to the first 3 hours segment along with the stukas. whilst we are at it.
I don't want to be engaging BnZ 110s in the middle of a 109 vs Hurri spit furball over London.
Oh crap, 109 E's, or to fly for 601 or 609 Squadron :bhead
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Stukas I'd agree. They have a token role regardless. 110s actually have a legitimate reason to be there in small numbers. Their BnZ nature is really just because they can't turn with the enemy. That and he heavy weapons loadout allows them to take spray shots as they blow past, but overall they were historically a part of it. More so than most BOB scenarios we have. We just often have different rules of engagement and aren't hampered by ignorance dictating how they should fight.
The 110 doesn't compare to the Ju88.
EDIT: I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of restrictions on the 110C use such as dictating that it must be used for bomber escort or something like that, but then the same thing should be applied to the spitfires and hurricanes. They shouldn't take off until they had definitive contact and had to climb up to engage targets. As it stands the 100 octane update has made them mini-monsters when used unhistorically... you know... kind of like how the use of the 110c makes it more effective than how it was in the real BOB?
+1 and lets also remove the 110's or limit them to the first 3 hours segment along with the stukas. whilst we are at it.
I don't want to be engaging BnZ 110s in the middle of a 109 vs Hurri spit furball over London.
I can handle 3x109's at a time left handed
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I doubt the June scenario will have anywhere this kind of enthusiasm when it's announced. It will probably be something retarded with B-29's.
I can handle 3x109's at a time left handed but throw in a high speed pass by a tough hitting 110 in the middle of a stall buzzing turn with what might aswell be un-limited ammo in this setup and it's just not cricket.
I just think from all the books I've read on the subject not many times do I hear how the 110 made the difference and won all of the dogfights with many oak leaves and iron crosses dished out to all of the multiple kill aces in the awesome zerstorer. :bolt:
Anyway nuff said on this personal vendetta. I'll kill them all the same. :D
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I can handle 3x109's at a time left handed but throw in a high speed pass by a tough hitting 110 in the middle of a stall buzzing turn with what might aswell be un-limited ammo in this setup and it's just not cricket.
I just think from all the books I've read on the subject not many times do I hear how the 110 made the difference and won all of the dogfights with many oak leaves and iron crosses dished out to all of the multiple kill aces in the awesome zerstorer. :bolt:
Anyway nuff said on this personal vendetta. I'll kill them all the same. :D
They were there, that's a given. But in the real battle they were nothing short of target drones achieving next to no success and were withdrawn because of it.
Some tweak to make them more target drone-ish. Require full fuel load to increase weight? I dunno. It just ain't right. Like the 88s we've always had. They're so much faster than anything else that might intercept them they just might as well be B29s.
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i believe the version we have is running uprated engines / fuel so is faster than it should be greatly upsetting the delicate balance.
the spitfire should have no problems catching it in a dive but not so in AH. it surely would have won the battle single handed!
because we can split the 12 hours up onto segments i dont think it is much of an ask to limit it towards the end. guys assigned to it can just form another 109 gruppen. with all the crying axis do around here getting planesets stripped back to give themselves a chance i reckon its time allies got one. :devil
i believe the version we have is running uprated engines / fuel so is faster than it should be greatly upsetting the delicate balance.
the spitfire should have no problems catching it in a dive but not so in AH. it surely would have won the battle single handed!
because we can split the 12 hours up onto segments i dont think it is much of an ask to limit it towards the end. guys assigned to it can just form another 109 gruppen. with all the crying axis do around here getting planesets stripped back to give themselves a chance i reckon its time allies got one. :devil
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They were there, that's a given. But in the real battle they were nothing short of target drones achieving next to no success and were withdrawn because of it.
Oh, and just to lay this "110 we have is uber" myth even more to rest, here's another nail in the coffin:
The only weakness it had is the fact it had to limit the engagement to maintain a speed advantage. That isn't a weakness when you can leave Spitfires choking on your exhaust as you easily pulled away.
God forbid the Allies have to deal with an enemy that's better at altitude. :rolleyes:
God forbid the Allies have to deal with an enemy that's better at altitude. :rolleyes:
What have been the altitude restrictions in the past?...because from those charts you could definitely get the Spitfires into a BnZ situation like Bruv and Del described...especially while the 109's are engaging them.in close combat.
In the last BoB scenario I flew the 110s. We were unstoppable! The thing could engage and disengage at will and had the firepower to down one or more RAF fighters in one pass. Unless the original variant is available, it will dominate the virtual skies once again.
The only weakness it had is the fact it had to limit the engagement to maintain a speed advantage. That isn't a weakness when you can leave Spitfires choking on your exhaust as you easily pulled away.
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again, that has to do with strategy. Any plane with a good guns platform can BnZ if it comes in with the energy advantage. A Smart commander will have their pilots fly line abreast till engaged, hold off an element or a flight while the other engages (unless numbers require). Plan for what you fear, hold something with high alt for the 110s and everyone is fine.I agree but for Krusty to call them false claims and then post those charts is a stretch...Above 26K the 110 pulls away easily which makes it easier to BnZ...fact of life speed is the key to survival in that situation.
In the end it's not the plane, it is the pilots and the planning. In Hell over Hinterland the Typhoon did enjoy speed and a great guns platform but the fact it did well was because of good pilots. The only real threat a plane posses to an enemy, once spotted, is a psychological one. Stay calm, brake defensively at the right time and with intent to be the attacker and nothing can shoot you down. And above all, teamwork teamwork teamwork.
I agree but for Krusty to call them false claims and then post those charts is a stretch
Dam, can't we all just stop complaining!!! What's the sense in it. So one side has a better airplane, The scenario the tempest was a better airplane. In RL the japs had a better airplane in the beginning, we had to develop tactics to counter it. We should do the same thing here. :salute :salute :salute
Dam, can't we all just stop complaining!!!
The 100C is no superweapon. It is slower than the Spit 1 at all alts under 26K - and even then the speed differential is about 10mph at the most. The turning circle is 1.5 times that of both the Spit and Hurricane. Also it's a huge target.
Del, you need to chill. You flew it once. In one BOB. Had success, now claim it's OP? I have flown it. A lot more than you, I'd wager. Over the years I've had successes with it in the LWA against late war monsters. I loved it so much I made 5 or 6 skins for it.
The Krusty scale has just been recalibrate for a new max level.
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You don't like having an enemy that can disengage at will?Just a bit of an exaggeration
Try flying as Axis in every event set after 1942! :bhead
it's ok junky we are having some fun here. :DAs a generally speaking...luft pilot, it bothers me seeing all this negativity about luft rides...I didnt see NOWOTNY complaining that his planes weren't good enough :old:
I'm not bothered about planes getting away it's just the historical application and the facts. The 110 was a capable plane but they got shot down early on and withdrawn from the battle.
I'd like to see no more than 4 of them tops if they are in for the whole 12 hours. 6 if they get withdrawn half way through.
Maybe 6 SpitV's in the final 3 hours. :D
bahh 110...
give me more Stukas.
MOAR STUKA I SAY! ! :old:
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Krusty. You've been flying these events for a long time right? You got the market cornered on that or something? I'll ask again as someone that has also flown a frame or two in my time. How many times has the RAF won a BoB? Hell how many FRAMES of ANY BoB have they won? The answers are never and maybe never. And you think things just aren't a little bit off? Really?
This event is going to be different than the typical scenario, it will be constructed like the original 12 hour event that Nefarious designed. If you remember the first 12 hour event, you know how that worked out. :aok
They most definitely were not flying Blenheim's against the raids during the day. They may have been listed in an order of battle but they weren't involved as 10 percent of the defenders.
Spits and Hurri's. We don't have Defiants and they were in and dead so fast they really wouldn't mean much anyway.
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The last of the types in the Fighter Command order of battle, the twin-engined two-seat Bristol Blenheim, had a maximum speed of only 285 mph and took about 13 minutes to reach 20,000 feet. When the Blenheim had first gone into service as a bomber three years earlier, in 1937, such a performance had been considered impressive enough for some of these machines to be modified and issued to fighter squadrons. In this role the Blenheim carried five Browning machine guns firing forwards and a single Vickers gun in the rear turret for self defence. By the summer of 1940 the Blenheim was clearly no match for any of the German fighters and in Fighter Command it was relegated to the night fighter squadrons where its long endurance was of value - it could fly patrols lasting more than four hours. In the summer of 1940 some of the Blenheims were fitted with the first primitive airborne interception radar sets. A few Blenheims were also operated by Coastal Command as long-range fighters and, from time to time during the Battle of Britain, these would become embroiled in combat with German aircraft
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In addition, two Hurricanes took off to intercept flown by pilots of the Fighter Interceptor Unit from Tangmere. Formed to conduct trials with the new and highly secret airborne radar sets, the FIU had lost all its Blenheim night fighters during the attack on Tangmere two days earlier. While waiting for new aircraft the unit had borrowed a couple of Hurricanes from the airfield's resident fighter squadrons and its pilots now went into action in these. Also, at the Coastal Command airfield at Thorney Island, No 235 Squadron prepared to send up a Flight of Blenheim fighters to assist in the defence.