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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Bruv119 on March 29, 2017, 04:48:21 PM
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So now I have a machine capable of delivering awesomeness I was wondering what you guys suggest for a monitor.
My current one is an Asus 22" 2ms old lcd, I can only fit 24" max in my cupboard. So I see the new ones are now 144hz or 4k? What is best for a single monitor setup?
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I think it's time you come out of the closet.
This is the 4k monitor my wife got me for Christmas to replace my old LG 24 inch LED monitor.
https://www.amazon.com/LG-24UD58-B-24-Inch-Monitor-FreeSync/dp/B01LPNKFK0
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3840 x 2160 how does that resolution look in game? are things really small?
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The game looks really good, however, I have problems seeing bandits far away when they're just a dot.
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I have both a 4k monitor and a 144hz monitor.
The 4k looks amazing but I prefer to play on the 144hz.
Response times may be important to you, my 144 is a 4ms and the 4k is 5ms
Finally, consider your GPU and what connections it has. My 144hz monitor only has 1 input and that is Display port so obviously your GPU will need that, I am sure all modern ones will have it.
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http://www.ebuyer.com/628268-acer-predator-gn246hl-24-led-gaming-144hz-monitor-um-fg6ee-b06
http://www.ebuyer.com/755333-lg-24ud58-23-8-ips-4k-uhd-gaming-monitor-24ud58
My limited search threw up these two second one looks alot like AKAK's
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I got one of these and the build quality, image and gameplay is great. Worth every penny for me.
http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/XL2430T/ (http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/XL2430T/)
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Bruv, to really enjoy 4k 24" is way too small. Admittedly the image quality is sharp, you won't need any AA at that resolution at that size. However, as Ack-Ack said, seeing a single picture sized dot is next to impossible. Also, you won't necessarily not notice any difference to a 1440p, maybe not even to a 1080p.
Scaling is another thing to take into consideration. Windows 7 is a good operating system, but it was made long before 4K became widely available. Even Win8 may struggle in getting the desktop icons and menu texts right. The size can be altered but the quality may suffer.
You may already have read between the lines that I suggest you get a 1440p @ 144Hz. That would give you the best of both worlds. However, that might be hard to find. In that case get a 1080p @ 144Hz.
Some math: A 1440p monitor has 1.33 times the pixels compared to a 1080p. Thus, if you want the same pixel size you're using now on your 22", a 29" 1440p is the answer. Then again, if you go from 22" to 24" on 1080p, the size difference is only 1.09x - not too much for you to find it disturbing but a little bigger to help seeing the enemy from far.
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I have the Acer XB270HU and the LG MU3167B (I think, wring small eyes bad)
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Groovy Broovy, IMO if you're limited to 24", I wouldn't go 4k myself at that size, and also the fact that playing AH in 4k, the targets are VERY small, even in 2k/1440p, I find them a lot smaller. If this won't bother you, the game looks fantastic at 4k though.
144hz is another thing, absolutely do NOT settle for a 60hz monitor, get a 144hz, or at least 100/120hz. Asus makes a great 24" 144hz monitor, while a bit dated now, is still selling well for Asus. I ran 3 of these for 2 years. VG248QE, not sure on the price in Her Majesty's Royal Amazon.
Not sure on your system, if you have an nVidia or AMD video card. If you have an nVidia card that is capable of Gsync, I would spend the extra and buy the Asus ROG Swift 24" 144hz Gsync monitor, PG248Q . It's very new, all the ROG line was 27" (I have 2 of them, one IPS and the first one they released with is a TN-like panel), and a 34" one ( have this too). The 24" was made at the request of a lot of Esports players as many prefer playing pro CS GO on 24 as opposed to larger.
So, if 24" is your size, those 2 are the best options IMO. There are other 24" 144hz from BenQ and others which are great too. The model USVI linked was on display, refurbs at my local PC shop, for only $150USD, great deal, and a great 144hz. Just do NOT get a 60hz, you'll immediately see the difference running 144fps over 60fps. I'm not sure this is a good idea for the MA, you're already too good and making you more lethal sucks the pills for the rest of us.
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See Rule #7
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Rule #xyz inbound for saying "the word which must not be named" aloud. I officially distance myself from you.
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doing a 5 minute search, if I were to buy a monitor right now it would probably be one of these:
24" 1ms, 144hz, 1080p $179
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KO4518I/
27" 1ms, 144hz, 1080p, $249
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DHTWWTM/
27" 1ms, 60hz, 1440p, $145
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VERZDEG/
27" 1ms, 60hz, 1440p, $220
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009969
28" 1ms, 60hz?, 4K, $297
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0163JLIWU/
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thanks for the input all.
very good points bizman and gman. Haggerty that monitor is $180 yet in the uk the same thing is £214 what the hell is going on with these prices RIP off GB or what?!!
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Groovy Broovy, IMO if you're limited to 24", I wouldn't go 4k myself at that size, and also the fact that playing AH in 4k, the targets are VERY small, even in 2k/1440p, I find them a lot smaller. If this won't bother you, the game looks fantastic at 4k though.<snip>
The object sizes are not (not supposed to) going to change based on the resolution of the monitor. That said, a single dot will vary in size based on the DPI (PPI if you want to get really technical) of the monitor.
The game does not actually control this. The scaling is all handled in DirectX. Now it is possible in Windows 10 for that to get messed up as Windows 10 does have DPI scaling issues, slated to be corrected in a few months.
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Microsoft is already saying that the "Creators Update" will take several months, so the DPI fix won't be available right away for everyone even when it is out.
EDIT: BTW, they keep rolling back the release date. We have been a week away for three weeks now.
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I noticed they released it for the XBox, and have changed the general release date to April 11.
No one has seen the DPI fix yet, so no one knows for sure if this fix will be the right fix. They already tried to fix it once and broke it in other ways.
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I noticed they released it for the XBox
confirmed, Aces High set to be released on console soon. Will you support cross platform?
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No, Aces High will not be coming to any console.
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Bruv,
True 4k flyer here. Game is much crisper graphics wise, but the limitations of not being able to see much outside of icon range is frustrating to say the least. Guys calling out stuff, and you go "nope..don't see squat".
So while the game is fully capable of 4k setup, the handicap may not be worth it IMO. You will be better off with your high end machine just running 1080p until the dot outside of icon range issue is resolved.
Why do I stay at 4k? Because the quality of the game in 4k is awesome, and I find myself able to discern the aircraft more distinctly (can break out the space between wings and stabs ....helps tell angle off). But take this with a grain of salt since I mounted a TV over my desk and use as a monitor .....all 56" of it.
Dobs
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Dammit bruv, you cost me $500.
Went ahead and bought the third monitor since it was about half off from one of the amazon sellers. Then I went and bought a Graphics Amplifier for my Alienware laptop....then my coworker decided he wanted a 1080ti so I bought his 980ti for $200.
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:rofl
spending money gets addictive doesnt it? specially when your wallet is usually locked tight! :D
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---True 4k flyer here. --- a TV over my desk and use as a monitor .....all 56" of it.
IMO that's the only viable way to really enjoy 4K for gaming. Quadruplicating both the resolution and the surface area.
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If your staying at 24 inch, and only play aces high you only need a 1080p monitor, above you won't be able to see the dots. I'd suggest a BenQ Zowie - XL2411, those are a solid choice. Running the game at full graphic in 144fps should keep your PC busy enough. You can also consider Gsynch if you have money to blow.
I personally sport the acer XB270HU which is superb.
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damn, I got screwed out of my monitor order. I went with one vendor because they were undercut by a penny by the cheapest one. Unfortunately the one I ordered from canceled my order after sitting on it for a few days, and the cheapest vendor is no longer available.
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Bruv,
True 4k flyer here. Game is much crisper graphics wise, but the limitations of not being able to see much outside of icon range is frustrating to say the least. Guys calling out stuff, and you go "nope..don't see squat".
So while the game is fully capable of 4k setup, the handicap may not be worth it IMO. You will be better off with your high end machine just running 1080p until the dot outside of icon range issue is resolved.
Why do I stay at 4k? Because the quality of the game in 4k is awesome, and I find myself able to discern the aircraft more distinctly (can break out the space between wings and stabs ....helps tell angle off). But take this with a grain of salt since I mounted a TV over my desk and use as a monitor .....all 56" of it.
Dobs
I also use a tv on my desk as a monitor. It really looks amazing, even though mine is only a 36 inch at 1080p
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I wanted to jump to 2k but decided to cheap out and just get a nice 1080. Ended up buying the ASUS VG248QE 24" 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms for $204 shipped
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I wanted to jump to 2k but decided to cheap out and just get a nice 1080. Ended up buying the ASUS VG248QE 24" 1920x1080 144Hz 1ms for $204 shipped
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The one I ordered just arrived today.
My first impressions are.
When you first power it up you will probably be like me and like it. You should do a search on setting this monitor up. You will find many suggestions.
Here are the settings I am starting with and so far I like them.
Splendid- theater
Brightness 100
Contrast 83
Saturation 42
Colour temp User mode - r-83 g-83 b-83
Skin tone natural
Smartview off
Sharpness 50
Tracefree 40
ASCR on
Nvidia vibrance set to 50.
eco mode off..
Coming from a 60HZ moving to 144HZ was like night and day.
I am running it behind an NVIDIA 960 4GB card.
Not changing any settings other than moving to 1920 x 1080 resolution it runs AH fantastic with very fast frame rates. The detail that you now see is breathtaking.
The look and feel is so much different than at 60HZ. The movements of the plane are much smoother also the instrument panel is clear and sharp.
Good luck with yours you will like it.
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oh well done rebel your review is making me want one more now. :D
How does 1920 x 1080 look in game in regards to dots at distance and planes at 600-1000 yards? compared to say at 1600x1050 at 22 inch if you had something similar to that before your upgrade.
I can see and shoot very well at the moment I just don't want to jeopardise those areas of gameplay.
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A 27 inch monitor would have roughly the same pixel size at 1920x1080 as a 22 inch at 1600x1050. However on a 24 inch the pixels would be about 10% smaller. Apart from the single pixel range dots being a little harder to spot you might also find that its a little harder to pick out single pixel thick wings and tails surfaces on low aspect cons at distance. Set against that the closer cons will show more detail making it easier to judge range and deflection etc. These sorts of things are very subjective though, so maybe go for a shop that has a good returns policy.
Personally I found that the jump from 60 hz to 144 hz was the single biggest improvement in monitor technology. Just skimming along the ground in AH it is visibly a lot less jerky and having twice as many frames per second can't hurt gunnery either. The bigger (27 inch) screen size was very useful too, for skinning as well as flying. G Sync was no huge improvement for me in AH as the game runs at a good FPS on my system anyway. It only makes a big difference on systems/games that suffer big FPS drops. You'll be handling 25% more pixels at 1920x1080 so your frame rates may well decrease. If your system is marginal on FPS now then either G Sync/Freesync or a better video card might be worthwhile considering.
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so best get the tape measure out again to see if I can squeeze 27" into my cupboard then.
I have faith my new machine will handle anything I throw at it on a single screen.
Thanks for the input greebo. :aok
does anyone own or know anything about AOC never heard of this brand before but they look competitive on price.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AOC-Response-Speakers-Compatible-G2770PF/dp/B013YIR5WU
also in the descriptions of some of these monitors they are mentioning AMD freesync or Nvidia gsync. Is this just marketing fluff or does it benefit to have a screen that supports my flavour of gfx card. Which is a 6gb nvidia 1060?
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Both G Sync and Freesync do the same thing, they slave the frame rate of your monitor to the frame rate of your video card and make games look smoother. The problem is that Nvidia cards only support G Sync and AMD cards only support Freesync. So it is pointless for you to get a Freesync monitor like that AOC as your card does not support it, the monitor would work but you'd get no benefit from the Freesync technology. The only drawback with getting a G Sync monitor is the price, they are a lot dearer than the equivalent Freesync or non-synced one. If you can't afford G Sync and you are not likely to get an AMD card any time soon then just skip both sync options.
Another thing to consider with monitors is input lag. Some monitors take a lot longer for the information from your PC to get processed and display the frame on the screen. You can be lagging by 2-3 frames on some of them which would affect gunnery etc.
Also there is screen technology. TN film monitors tend to be cheapest and to have good pixel response times, (not the same thing as input lag) but are not so good on colour reproduction and have limited viewing angles. Then there are IPS monitors which are excellent on colours but with slower pixel response which might mean more motion blur. The other main type is VA which have deeper blacks than the other monitors but not so good on pixel response. Unless you are doing anything that needs good colours (art etc) TN ought to be fine.
If you can possibly do so go for a 27 inch and 144 hz. I haven't kept up with what the best monitors are since I last bought one a couple of years ago but a good place for reviews on them is TFT Central (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk).
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As for the planes at a distance beyond icon range.
This is my perspective: Coming from a 24 in. 60HZ flat panel what you trade off in pixel size you gain in clarity of the screen. I have no problem picking up the dot’s beyond the icon distance.
I also toyed with the thought of going to a 27 this was my thinking:
1. You already put out the money to build a machine to play a game.
2. The price break between the 24 and 27 was not a small amount.
3. When pulling a high G turn fight most of the time you are in a 6in circle on the screen.
4. The old monitor played at a solid 60fps but with the video card I have it’s was like running a Corvette with a potato shoved up the exhaust. Turn her loose and let her run.
So the bottom line for me was that with the distance I sit from the monitor what would be the gain. Unless you change the FOV you get the same image just larger pixels to fill the screen. Would that justify the cost?
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Greebo's post is a great summation of monitors for gaming IMO. As well as TFT, 144hzmonitors.com is another gaming monitor site that gives accurate advice.
IMO 144hz/165hz is the most important feature in a gaming monitor. Size is personal pref, although I've found between 24, 27, and 34" I think 27" to be optimal, regardless of desk size/etc. TN/IPS, regarding that, I find that TN panels are great for competitive FPS games like CS GO or Doom/Quake/etc, while IPS is probably the best option for a game like AH or DCS where the instant single shot weapons aren't as critical. IPS will in almost every case look much better in all games - I have the ROG Swift Asus 27" in both TN and IPS, one is 144hz, the 165hz, more or less the same in terms of refresh, but standing side by side, the IPS variant looks better in every case, in every game. I wouldn't even have bought the TN except it was out for a year before the IPS Swifts came out. I have the 34" Swift as well, it's 100hz/IPS/Gsync, and is excellent, but some might find it a bit too wide/large - if you're into 3 screen, you won't notice that IMO.
Gsync = I've not tried Freesync so I can't comment on how it works, Gsync does improve things as Greebo described, but honestly, the last 144hz monitors I had didn't have Gsync, and I didn't really miss it that much. If $ is a concern and you can't get a panel that has it all - 144hz/IPS/Gsync, for me Gsync would be the first thing I sacrificed for cost, and again, I have 4 gaming monitors right now, the 3 ROG Swifts and an Acer 28" 4k Gsync 60hz.
Asus has a new monitor coming out in q2 this year, another in the ROG/Swift series, PG27UQ, 27", 4k, Gsync, and 144hz@native 4k res. Acer and Benq have competitors with the same coming out as well. If $ is no object, these will be the best panels you can get, which have it "all", 4k capability@144hz, IPS, and Gsync. It's been 1440p max for 144/165hz up until these new models.
Rebel - I'm not 100% on the mechanics or details, but this is my experience - I went from 24" Asus 144hz monitors to 27 for my main AH setup, and I sit at the same distance, as I'm a "forearm rester" when using my sticks, ie my right forearm is on the desk, not hanging in space when I use the stick. IE I know I'm at the exact same distance with both LCDs - I didn't notice a big change in how I saw targets or fought/etc, but obviously can tell it's a larger picture. If I flip my 27"1440p monitors to native 1440p, I do find spotting dots a bit harder, and find the target planes smaller, so I fly at 1080p if I'm not using VR.
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gman I just saw this how does 240mhz refresh compare to 144mhz :t
https://www.asus.com/uk/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG258Q/
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Bruv, how about this:
---you could see an artefact at 500 fps if you wanted to,” (http://www.pcgamer.com/how-many-frames-per-second-can-the-human-eye-really-see/)
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I picked up this 144hz monitor the last time it had a $50 rebate as it does now:
MSI Optix G27C 27"
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824475001
The higher frame rate seems to have helped my hit percentage
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Bruv, you probably won't notice as much a difference between 144 to 165 to 240, as you will from 60 to any of the above. I have a 144 and a 165, no way to tell in terms of fps, just that one is TN and one is IPS. Even telling 100hz from 144hz, albeit on very different sized screens, takes a few seconds of comparing. From 60 to 100, you can instantly tell.
Asus have sort of made a splinter line of the ROG Swift for professional gamers especially in the CS GO and other FPS genre, they aren't IPS, hence being a little faster to refresh/update, and have some crazy refresh rates. They won't look quite as good in AH, at least that's my experience with my 144hz TN vs the 165 IPS in the same line up from Asus.
The ROG PG248Q 24" is 144hz TN, o/c able to 180. Swift PG278QR is similar but 27", and then the one you posted, are all NON IPS type Rog Swifts.
If I were you, for AH, I'd get an IPS 144hz, unless you are competitive in FPSs, then the TN, the PG248Q is $200 cheaper than the newer PG258Q you posted, 24" Gsync 144hz etc etc. If you have to have a 24", and you want Gsync and 144 or higher, that's what I'd buy right now.
Eagler - do you think 144hz is superior? There is a long list of players here that have switched to 144 from 60, and I've yet to hear one post that they would go back.
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Anyone using this?
AOC G2770PQU 144hz, 1ms, Ultimate Performance 27-Inch Professional Gaming Monitor
Seems like a decent 144hz monitor for $290
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Never used one, or seen one, AOC aren't real common up here in Canada. They are excellent from everything I've read, that model is a TN/1ms 1080P model, so no 1440p, no Gsync either if you care about that. Has lots of USB stuff and speakers. Good deal if you're looking for a no frills TN 27" gaming panel - IMO it's more of a competitive FPS panel, as some players don't like Gsync in the COGO/etc community, so it's purpose built for that kind of player. An IPS+Gsync unit would be better if AH3/Sims are your primary games, just IMO. It will work fantastic for AH/etc, I used a 24" 144hz TN Asus monitor for a few years, the first "gaming" 144hz they made, and it looked and worked great.
For the price though, that is excellent, it's $500 to get a Refurb Asus Swift 27" PG278Q (the first/lowest model which was my first purchase in that line up). So for an extra $200 over that AOC new, you get Gsync and 1440p, but still a TN panel, plus it's a refurb.
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Hi Gman
I went from this 60hz model
Hanns-G HZ281HPB 27.5'' 3ms Full HD 1080P HDMI WideScreen LCD Monitor 400cd/m2 X-Contrast 15,000:1(800:1)Built-in Speakers
to a 144hz
MSI Optix G27C 27" Curved Black/Red 4ms (GTG) Gaming Monitor 1920x1080 144Hz Refresh Rate, 16:9 Aspect Ratio, 110% sRGB, 178 Degree Viewing Angle, DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort, Tilt Capable
I think AH3 flies and looks better on the 144hz
my old eyes cant handle anything higher than 1920x1080 on a 27" monitor
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Rgr that about the eyes, all of our monitors can do 1440p and one can do 4k, I play AH at 1080p on the 27" too.
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Rgr that about the eyes, all of our monitors can do 1440p and one can do 4k, I play AH at 1080p on the 27" too.
It took me awhile to come to this but I've reached the same conclusion to use 1080p on my Asus MG279Q 27" monitor instead of using 1440p when playing AHIII & since AMD came out w\ the low frame rate compensation to help FreeSynch to smooth out at lower frame rates w\ the AMD Crimson 16.x driver series forward FreeSynch is working very well w\ this Radeon R9 FuryX vid card.
:salute