Lusche, I'd say it's qualities make it a great plane for all players to succeed with and an even more deadly tool for those 1%ers.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. "All players" includes the massive subset of average players and, of course, the n00bs. All those have a hard time hitting the enemy. A plane with such a rather limited firepower and ammo count as the yak-3 will never be "best" for them at all. You probably would see a LOT more of them if it had the firepower of, say, a La-7. And for base defense you most certainly wan't to have enough ammo not only to shoot at the horde of fighters, but also possibly kill more than 1 m-3 rolling in or kill a formation of bombers ;)
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 14, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
Accuracy becomes easy when the plane out flys others without actually knowing how.
Fighter vs Fighter...easy top 5.
LA7, Spit 16, F4U4, KI84 are the only ones above it in my book just because of its anti gravity ability and toughness....I zoom climbed a K4 from 300 IAS and went to about 6.8K from 2K....did nearly identical climb with the Yak3 but with a lot better stall control at the top....thing nosed over like it is programed to fix itself.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Lusche on April 14, 2017, 06:34:00 PM
Yea...it's not easier to get a shot when your plane out performs the majority of the plane set so much that you over take an enemy six pretty easily instead of other planes where you have to set up snap shots because it is so difficult to take the enemy's six....you're right :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Magoo on April 14, 2017, 08:40:38 PM
Totally agree. The Yak3 is a beast, even with the short clip, due to it's ability to build E so damn fast. It's maneuverable, can turn enough when you need it, and the acceleration and decent speed make it a pony killer.
...and the Yak9T is better than most people realize :aok
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: The Fugitive on April 14, 2017, 09:13:20 PM
Yea...it's not easier to get a shot when your plane out performs the majority of the plane set so much that you over take an enemy six pretty easily instead of other planes where you have to set up snap shots because it is so difficult to take the enemy's six....you're right :rolleyes:
Its easier to get into a good firing position, but if you cant shoot, it doesnt help there. Take it from someone who took years to get and keep a 2 hit percentage and be able to hold it.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Vraciu on April 15, 2017, 03:47:25 AM
Totally agree. The Yak3 is a beast, even with the short MAGAZINE, due to it's ability to build E so damn fast. It's maneuverable, can turn enough when you need it, and the acceleration and decent speed make it a pony killer.
...and the Yak9T is better than most people realize :aok
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: bozon on April 15, 2017, 07:26:06 AM
most players are happy to get just the one kill in a HO and crash immediately after. Ammo count does not matter in that case, and the yak3 will get them to that HO faster than most other planes. This is why we see so many of them flown in base defence to 20% of their potential.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: save on April 15, 2017, 09:39:48 AM
If Yak-3 just did not soak up 20mms like it was rain ...
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 15, 2017, 10:31:00 AM
Its easier to get into a good firing position, but if you cant shoot, it doesnt help there. Take it from someone who took years to get and keep a 2 hit percentage and be able to hold it.
I'm not a good shot but I can out fly most of the community which is why I can succeed in score....getting yourself in high percentage shot opportunities is more important then good aim IMO....Yak3 makes it easy to get in those positions
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Chris79 on April 15, 2017, 10:50:24 AM
I'm not a good shot but I can out fly most of the community which is why I can succeed in score....getting yourself in high percentage shot opportunities is more important then good aim IMO....Yak3 makes it easy to get in those positions
The gun package on a yak3 can be quite leathal at under 200. I also find the yak3 to be more stable then most other AC. The draw backs are, its performance is mediocre above 15k, and it starts to shed parts at 475. I will still stand by an earlier statement that the bf109k4 and G14 are superior aircraft compared to the yak3.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: morfiend on April 15, 2017, 12:38:51 PM
First it was the spits,then the F4U's then the brew then the.....
It's not the plane it's the pilot,if you are having problems defeating a certain plane it's likely the PIC that's the issue,either attacker or defender and not the plane types!
Just the other night I was working with a player,he was in a 51 and I was in a 109E. He said to me"and thats why you dont turn with a 109"! So I offered to get in a 51 to make it easier for him. Net result was he asked me how I could turn a 51 like that! I said it's rather simple,I'm not really turning,I'm rolling my lift vector to keep in trail with you.
So it's not the plane it's the pilot! If you have difficulties fighting a particular plane then you might need to reassess your technique instead of blaming a certain airframe!
YMMV!
:salute
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 15, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
ACM is the same in all aircraft, only difference is certain ones perform the manuevers differently because of their overall performance.
Why is it that the pilots(plural) flying Yak 3 started getting out flown once I switched to a Yak3 from a G6???? G6 is capable against KI84 and K4s....2 planes many would say are top 5 fighter vs fighter.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 15, 2017, 01:18:38 PM
Only thing that the Brewster has that doesn't make it the most lethal fighter is top speed....that's it....it's top speed goes up 20...it's the best fighter in the games without question. The others you mentioned are yes....easy top 5.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: The Fugitive on April 15, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
I'm not a good shot but I can out fly most of the community which is why I can succeed in score....getting yourself in high percentage shot opportunities is more important then good aim IMO....Yak3 makes it easy to get in those positions
LOL!!!! Over the last 6 months or so you have been around 7% for your fighter hit percentage.
I dont have Lusche's averages handy, but it is something along the lines of 90% of the players dont reach 1%. The other 10%, half dont make it to 2%, and then there is the "elite", the top end which is were you sit.
Add to the fact that you fly the Ta152, 262, and the K4 as your main rides, rides that everyone knows you have to be careful of your firing times (no spray and pray) due to the lit, but lethal ammo load. If you flew a pony or some other plane with a big ammo load your hit percentage would be over 10 easy.
Your aim is exceptional! Compared to the rest of us lowly cartoon pilots anyway.
Like Morf says, it more about the pilot than the plane, but there are a number of planes that fall into the "easy mode" labeled group. I think the Yak3 falls into that group.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: morfiend on April 15, 2017, 01:41:33 PM
ACM is the same in all aircraft, only difference is certain ones perform the manuevers differently because of their overall performance.
Why is it that the pilots(plural) flying Yak 3 started getting out flown once I switched to a Yak3 from a G6???? G6 is capable against KI84 and K4s....2 planes many would say are top 5 fighter vs fighter.
First a little correction,BFM is the same ACM is how you put BFM together! BFM are the steps and ACM is the choreography!So ACM is very pilot dependent.
Also the G6 is likely the worse of the 109's,not as fast as the G2 and doesnt turn much better than the G14,infact the G2 with gondies is almost as fast as the G6. It doesnt surprize me the Yak3 can out handle a G6 and once you had equal performance they Yak cant get away!
Oh and I didnt mention any planes just that many have been claimed to be uber and that list has changed over the years!
Personally I think they are mostly all the same,some just do some things better than others!
YMMV!
:salute
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 15, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Ever since AH3 came out my aim has gone to poop...that may be my percentage but that is also like 400th in aim ranking. In AH2 the difference between shooting looking through your gunsights and paging up over wasn't as much so I made every shot using tracers over the gunsight, in AH3 that's a lot harder plus I get warps every time I shoot.
The shots I take though are normally very high percentage shots where I have flown myself to a position to get them, a plane which makes it easier to get there is an easy mode plane....example Yak 3.
We can talk this it's the plane not the pilot stuff all we want....but I have plenty of examples which negate that right away....FX1 killed me in a G2 while he was flying a spit 16....I upped a Spit 16 and out flew him quite easily....what's the difference in that equation??? The plane.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 15, 2017, 01:47:30 PM
First a little correction,BFM is the same ACM is how you put BFM together! BFM are the steps and ACM is the choreography!So ACM is very pilot dependent.
Also the G6 is likely the worse of the 109's,not as fast as the G2 and doesnt turn much better than the G14,infact the G2 with gondies is almost as fast as the G6. It doesnt surprize me the Yak3 can out handle a G6 and once you had equal performance they Yak cant get away!
Oh and I didnt mention any planes just that many have been claimed to be uber and that list has changed over the years!
Personally I think they are mostly all the same,some just do some things better than others!
YMMV!
:salute
That's the point though...you say it's the pilot but there is a point where the plane makes the difference.
I consider Bruv a better stick then me and if we upped a KI84 vs Spit 16 against each other whoever was in the Spit 16 is going to win...without a doubt....so I say the Spit 16 is easier then the Ki84.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: caldera on April 15, 2017, 02:56:49 PM
Yak-3 is one of the best in the game.
Compiled my personal data starting from Tour 162 when the Yak-3 was introduced and compared the "kills of" and "killed by" of every fighter in the set. Over a period of 45 months, most statistical anomalies can be ruled out and patterns can be more reliably interpreted.
Only four planes that had a higher "killed by" than "kills of" number and guess who was among them:
PlaneKills ofKilled by
F4U-4 44 46 Me163 1 5 Tempest 23 37 Yak-3 95 98
For comparison's sake, here are the results against other popular planes:
Only thing that the Brewster has that doesn't make it the most lethal fighter is top speed....that's it....it's top speed goes up 20...it's the best fighter in the games without question.
:rofl
You should be a comedian, what you posted is comedic gold.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 15, 2017, 06:23:56 PM
You should be a comedian, what you posted is comedic gold.
I've posted 3 sorties of film now landing 7 kills each sortie after someone tried to tell me the Brew wasn't easy mode...looks like I got to make a 4th....
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 15, 2017, 06:52:47 PM
The yak 3 is a great plane minus the guns. It can accelerate quickly and hold E amazingly well. It cannot out roll a 109 with equal ability but it can gain E better than a 109, even a K4 I might say. The main issue I have with it is that it can hold a zoom climb even better than the brew (hehe). It can hold a zoom climb almost better than a spit16. I don't think it's better than an La7 or spit16. But it's comparable to a K4. The amount of damage it can take, the E climb ability, and acceleration, plus it's overall size being very small and hard to shoot. Make it a deadly plane if you can aim with the deflection shots.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Zimme83 on April 15, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
I've posted 3 sorties of film now landing 7 kills each sortie after someone tried to tell me the Brew wasn't easy mode...looks like I got to make a 4th....
Fly it a tour and do all the stuff you normally do in a fighter and then come back...
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Lusche on April 15, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
I've posted 3 sorties of film now landing 7 kills each sortie after someone tried to tell me the Brew wasn't easy mode...looks like I got to make a 4th....
I did quite a number multi kill sorties like that in the Hurricane I back in the day... did that make Hurricane an easy mode plane too?
Just odd that an easy mode plane like the Brew has such little success in the MA. Little used and mostly killed. Should attract quite a number of players and have reasonable success. Instead it's not much used and mostly killed.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: icepac on April 15, 2017, 08:04:13 PM
Yak3 better knife fighter and for upping under attackers but I feel the 9u is a better overall plane since you can catch the runners once thier wep runs out........sometimes even with thier wep on.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: bozon on April 16, 2017, 01:27:27 AM
I did quite a number multi kill sorties like that in the Hurricane I back in the day... did that make Hurricane an easy mode plane too?
Just odd that an easy mode plane like the Brew has such little success in the MA. Little used and mostly killed. Should attract quite a number of players and have reasonable success. Instead it's not much used and mostly killed.
The Brew, much like the zekes are deadly scrap feeders. That means that they are near useless in a thin environment, but very good at flying near fast friendly planes and jump on the enemies that the friendly La7/Dora/P51 force into turning and slowing down.
A single Brewster or a zeke is not much more that a minor nuisance. You can usually go about your business with them dragging around behind you. The exception is a much higher brew that is willing to blow all its energy just to get a single kill.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: nrshida on April 16, 2017, 03:35:11 AM
I said it's rather simple,I'm not really turning,I'm rolling my lift vector to keep in trail with you.
How could you brah. Next you'll be telling Joach1m and Ace there's no Father Christmas. Think of the magic you're spoiling and all the twinkles in the eyes of all those aspiring AH players giving away the matrix code like this. Shameful.
Interesting discussion. I'd propose that it is a combination of plane and pilot and ACM knowledge in differently-weighted proportions. I think your opponent having the next level / division to you in terms of breadth and depth of ACM knowledge is way more decisive than having even more seat-time in a given type than the other fella. If your ACM is in the same division (not necessarily an identical level) then knowing your aircraft well becomes advantageous. Knowing it really well might allow you to exceed the conditioned 'limit' of what that plane type can do (and be the source of hilarious cheating accusations). This builds on what He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named used to say about the best pilot cannot make a plane do what it is not capable of - even if here we aren't talking simply about rope-a-doping everyone all the time :rofl Surely we've all now and again ran across a player bending a plane in impossible ways.
Although I agree ACM is universal, certain plane qualities favour certain groups and combinations of ACM. Look simply at the factor of energy building versus energy retention. Dictates very different responsive ACM to your opponent. I don't fly the Mosquito anything like I fly the Ki-84. Willfully blowing energy in an 84 is an option because it is a top-builder. In a Mosquito you have to make what you have count and often quickly and aggressively. Against a Yak-3 say, all he has to do to win is survive for long enough to equalize and then surpass - and he will inevitably because of the relative rates. Even a Yak-3 pilot with mediocre ACM knowledge will likely win with this method. Applies to quite a few planes in the AH set. I'd call leaning on something like that all the time easy mode.
Even 'easy mode' is a combination of plane, player and ACM imho.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 16, 2017, 05:03:51 AM
The Yak-3 should dominate in a dogfight. That's its sole design goal. It weighs half of what a P-51 does... Half! And it is tiny and streamlined. Even compared to something like a Spit IX. Up close with the pilot in it it looks almost comical. Like a light sport plane.
https://youtu.be/3olJZKD_X5c
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Magoo on April 16, 2017, 09:25:29 AM
Ah but among the natural born killers in AH, who have reached the apex of ACM in a cartoon plane, it IS the plane. I can fly a TBM in fighter mode, which can out turn most planes in the game nose down, and kill dweebs all day long. I don't think I'd slay JunkyII in that pig.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: bustr on April 16, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
I did quite a number multi kill sorties like that in the Hurricane I back in the day... did that make Hurricane an easy mode plane too?
Just odd that an easy mode plane like the Brew has such little success in the MA. Little used and mostly killed. Should attract quite a number of players and have reasonable success. Instead it's not much used and mostly killed.
Remember back in the day the HurriC filled the place of the Brewster, and the HurriC was to goto base defense and get quick kills easy mode fighter? I remember when INK first played the game, he flew the HurriC and PO'd people.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 17, 2017, 06:50:35 AM
The Yak 3 is good. But no where near the best. Idk why most complain about it. I've never had any trouble with it.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 17, 2017, 08:06:30 AM
Do you consider the K4 at the top? If so you have to put the yak 3 up there....heck its flat out better then the K4.
I consider the best plane in the game to be the U4. Followed by in order spit 16, Ki84, then K4. If the Yak3 had say 240 rounds and double 20 mm guns yea sure. But the Ammo loadout is very very short handed. Granted I don't need anymore bullets for it... the majority will.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 17, 2017, 12:55:29 PM
I consider the best plane in the game to be the U4. Followed by in order spit 16, Ki84, then K4. If the Yak3 had say 240 rounds and double 20 mm guns yea sure. But the Ammo loadout is very very short handed. Granted I don't need anymore bullets for it... the majority will.
That argument you just gave rules out the K4 completely, it has 65 rounds of arguably the hardest to shoot cannon in the game based off it's ballistics vs other cannon rounds.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: FBKampfer on April 17, 2017, 02:21:39 PM
I posted about this once before, and I think it holds true still. We on the forums, especially the upper 20% of us, are absolutely god awful at making assessments of the aircraft.
AKAK and JunkyII won't ever have any problems against any particular plane, because they've hit the point where they're able to fight the pilot more than the plane. By that, I mean they understand the underlying concepts of the fight, and can employ their full range of options as second nature, to such a vastly greater degree than their average opponent that there is very little he can do.
The average player, on the other hand, absolutely does not have this ability. They don't think in terms of angles and energy states, they think in terms of "oh crap, spitfires out turn me, better high tail it" or "damn that Brews got a lot of alt".
Most die before running out of fuel, so the range doesn't matter. Most die before getting any kind of chance to kill anything, so the ammunition doesn't matter. They're going to give up every shot imaginable, so no amount of armor would help, and any actual fragility doesn't matter. It has the three things that an average pilot needs the most:
Speed, and maneuverability, because for the most part the only tool in their kit is outperforming an opponent in one area of performance or another, and milking that for all its worth.
And small size, because for someone who WILL be shot at no matter what they do, being a small target is better than being able take a hit or two.
So yes, for a large portion of players, the Yak 3 is probably one of the best planes in the game.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 17, 2017, 04:29:44 PM
That argument you just gave rules out the K4 completely, it has 65 rounds of arguably the hardest to shoot cannon in the game based off it's ballistics vs other cannon rounds.
No it doesn't. It just means that I think the K4 is a better plane than the yak3. Which is true. Yak 3 is no issue to me or anyone I know lol. Even when people where complaining about a Brewster being over powered I still have yet to find a problem with that plane. I've came to a conclusion.... people like to complain!
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JOACH1M on April 17, 2017, 04:55:19 PM
Yak 3 is an easier plane than the K4, but that to me doesn't make it a better plane than the K4.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 17, 2017, 05:02:38 PM
I posted about this once before, and I think it holds true still. We on the forums, especially the upper 20% of us, are absolutely god awful at making assessments of the aircraft.
AKAK and JunkyII won't ever have any problems against any particular plane, because they've hit the point where they're able to fight the pilot more than the plane. By that, I mean they understand the underlying concepts of the fight, and can employ their full range of options as second nature, to such a vastly greater degree than their average opponent that there is very little he can do.
The average player, on the other hand, absolutely does not have this ability. They don't think in terms of angles and energy states, they think in terms of "oh crap, spitfires out turn me, better high tail it" or "damn that Brews got a lot of alt".
Most die before running out of fuel, so the range doesn't matter. Most die before getting any kind of chance to kill anything, so the ammunition doesn't matter. They're going to give up every shot imaginable, so no amount of armor would help, and any actual fragility doesn't matter. It has the three things that an average pilot needs the most:
Speed, and maneuverability, because for the most part the only tool in their kit is outperforming an opponent in one area of performance or another, and milking that for all its worth.
And small size, because for someone who WILL be shot at no matter what they do, being a small target is better than being able take a hit or two.
So yes, for a large portion of players, the Yak 3 is probably one of the best planes in the game.
The plane in question paradoxically checks both those boxes. Despite it's small size, the Yak-3 can take quite a lot more than a hit or two.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 17, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
I've seen this thrown around a lot. And I still never have any trouble shooting down a yak.
Aren't you one of those KOTH types that kills everything within 6k before you even get off the runway? Us regular folks find that certain planes are much better than others.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 17, 2017, 08:25:53 PM
Yak 3 is an easier plane than the K4, but that to me doesn't make it a better plane than the K4.
I think what you are trying to say is that once mastered the K4 can be more deadly...which I would agree but Yak 3 is like a spit...plug and play like AH is war thunder
No it doesn't. It just means that I think the K4 is a better plane than the yak3. Which is true. Yak 3 is no issue to me or anyone I know lol. Even when people where complaining about a Brewster being over powered I still have yet to find a problem with that plane. I've came to a conclusion.... people like to complain!
Your argument was the guns in the yak make it worse then the planes you listed...one of which was the K4 which makes that argument wrong because it's a fact that the MK108 has nearly the worst ballistics in the game(second to the howitizer in the B25H, bustr would know exactly)....which is why a lot of people don't fly the K4 or any plane with tators.
Just saying the plane is no issue to you isn't an argument either. The Yak 3 zoom climbs nearly identical to the K4, which is nearly identical to the LA7...but has a turn radios closer to a Spit...but what it has over the spit is it's ability to eat rounds better then any other planes...just search the forums for examples of them getting hit with multiple tators and loads of hispanos only to walk away like nothing happened....and it's also small making it hard to hit. The ONLY thing it doesn't have going for it is the amount of cannons which is nullified by the fact the plane outperforms much of the planeset.
If it wasn't easy to fly....why are Yak9Us hangar queens and the number of Yaks flown since the intro of the Yak3 has gone up?
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 17, 2017, 09:56:07 PM
Aren't you one of those KOTH types that kills everything within 6k before you even get off the runway? Us regular folks find that certain planes are much better than others.
Must be. I still stand my ground the plane is totally fine. I think junky is just reaching a bit on this thread. I'm not a pilot nor a expert in this field. I just play the game. From my point of view, nothing is wrong.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: nrshida on April 18, 2017, 02:25:37 AM
I'm not a pilot nor a expert in this field. I just play the game. From my point of view, nothing is wrong.
You had master / apprentice training and your ACM is in the top division in terms of breadth and depth of understanding and execution. As I suggested earlier that is the more decisive factor in a fight. At that level of course you aren't going to struggle against any type of plane driven by a stick who isn't on that level. Apparently not being aware of this factor rather precludes your perspective from the discussion mate.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 18, 2017, 06:50:45 AM
You had master / apprentice training and your ACM is in the top division in terms of breadth and depth of understanding and execution. As I suggested earlier that is the more decisive factor in a fight. At that level of course you aren't going to struggle against any type of plane driven by a stick who isn't on that level. Apparently not being aware of this factor rather precludes your perspective from the discussion mate.
Its impossible not to notice it unless you just arent paying attention. Or all your fights you start with an advantage....which makes all planes look the same.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 18, 2017, 06:54:48 AM
All I'm saying is the plane seems to be working as designed. Fun little ride when I do hop in.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 18, 2017, 07:24:50 AM
I have to ask why does it matter? Every plane has strengths and weaknesses,does it make you feel better to say "I got shot down by a top 10 plane"?
Certainly! I suspect everyone here who has flown The Inferior Plane has thought to himself, "What a wuss, if he'd been in a plane like mine, I'd have owned him!"
- oldman
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JOACH1M on April 18, 2017, 10:23:06 PM
Certainly! I suspect everyone here who has flown The Inferior Plane has thought to himself, "What a wuss, if he'd been in a plane like mine, I'd have owned him!"
- oldman
:aok
:salute
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: nrshida on April 19, 2017, 03:40:56 AM
Certainly! I suspect everyone here who has flown The Inferior Plane has thought to himself, "What a wuss, if he'd been in a plane like mine, I'd have owned him!"
- oldman
Psychological protection is an essential component for the cultivation of a disproportionate ego. :banana:
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Zimme83 on April 19, 2017, 03:59:13 AM
That's why you fly high eny planes. When you die you can say that it was because of you having an inferior plane and when you kill someone you are extra awesome since you killed him despite he having a better plane. :D
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: nrshida on April 19, 2017, 04:17:10 AM
That's why you fly high eny planes. When you die you can say that it was because of you having an inferior plane and when you kill someone you are extra awesome since you killed him despite he having a better plane. :D
Precisely.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 19, 2017, 10:08:17 AM
Certainly! I suspect everyone here who has flown The Inferior Plane has thought to himself, "What a wuss, if he'd been in a plane like mine, I'd have owned him!"
- oldman
Im more worried about the ENY being off....should be 8 IMO....it is for sure same class as N1K and LA7
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: LilMak on April 19, 2017, 10:55:27 AM
If Yak-3 just did not soak up 20mms like it was rain ...
Damage model flaw. All the smaller fighters tend to soak up more damage because it's cumulative. Harder to hit the same spot on a small airframe.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: KrzyIvan on April 19, 2017, 03:18:15 PM
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That's why you fly high eny planes. When you die you can say that it was because of you having an inferior plane and when you kill someone you are extra awesome since you killed him despite he having a better plane. :D
I think you got it squed Zimme73.
I'm believe those who fly High ENY planes don't do it to find a excuse for getting shot down. Maybe they enjoy the challenge?
I've been flying knights since my recent return to AH,and what I have noticed in text is, that if someone lands 5 kills in a LA7 it's a non event; land those kills in a high ENY plane you seem to get a lot of High 5s. If you think the ENY system is flawed that's a topic for another post, however I think you deserve extra credit for landing kills in a high ENY plane/vehicle.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 19, 2017, 04:20:26 PM
I'm believe those who fly High ENY planes don't do it to find a excuse for getting shot down. Maybe they enjoy the challenge?
I've been flying knights since my recent return to AH,and what I have noticed in text is, that if someone lands 5 kills in a LA7 it's a non event; land those kills in a high ENY plane you seem to get a lot of High 5s. If you think the ENY system is flawed that's a topic for another post, however I think you deserve extra credit for landing kills in a high ENY plane/vehicle.
First you have to establish a consensus that a plane is in fact easy....then you can make an ENY post about the Yak 3. Some people think they are good flying a Yak 3 or Brewster and landing some kills but IMO ot should be seen like you said...like flying an LA7 and getting kills
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Vulcan on April 19, 2017, 04:39:54 PM
I've seen this thrown around a lot. And I still never have any trouble shooting down a yak.
I get a lot of comments about the -9U soaking up ammo. The reality is a hit sprite can represent 1-many hits. So someone squirts 5 x 20mm at a P47, a single hit sprite represents those 5. In the Yak it feels like due to the size only 1 of those 5 connect but the same singular hit sprite is shown.
I prefer the 9U over the 3.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: ACE on April 19, 2017, 08:31:14 PM
I get a lot of comments about the -9U soaking up ammo. The reality is a hit sprite can represent 1-many hits. So someone squirts 5 x 20mm at a P47, a single hit sprite represents those 5. In the Yak it feels like due to the size only 1 of those 5 connect but the same singular hit sprite is shown.
I prefer the 9U over the 3.
Well said. I don't really fly many planes with 50s so I don't have much to comment on how they effect a yak. But my 2x20mm x 1x30mm never have any trouble :)
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Mister Fork on April 20, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
Certainly! I suspect everyone here who has flown The Inferior Plane has thought to himself, "What a wuss, if he'd been in a plane like mine, I'd have owned him!"
- oldman
+1. It's the man, not the machine.
I've seen Dukie own pilots fly far superior planes in his infamous P-40. Yaks, Spits, 109's, F4U's - a lot of good rides available in the MA. Want to see a person prove their worth? Go fly in the AvA for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: icepac on April 20, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
I'd be there if it had a rolling planeset.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JunkyII on April 20, 2017, 12:13:47 PM
I've seen Dukie own pilots fly far superior planes in his infamous P-40. Yaks, Spits, 109's, F4U's - a lot of good rides available in the MA. Want to see a person prove their worth? Go fly in the AvA for a few weeks.
Wish there was more people in the AvA when I'm online, historic matchups and matchups where everyone is in the same ride are my favorites
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Vulcan on April 20, 2017, 05:05:21 PM
Well said. I don't really fly many planes with 50s so I don't have much to comment on how they effect a yak. But my 2x20mm x 1x30mm never have any trouble :)
Yup. I also see very few people fly a yak well, there's maybe half a dozen who are actually good in a yak. Yak3s are like little baby seals for a well flown Yak-9.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: bozon on April 21, 2017, 10:35:48 AM
Yup. I also see very few people fly a yak well, there's maybe half a dozen who are actually good in a yak. Yak3s are like little baby seals for a well flown Yak-9.
That is true for most of the top performing planes. We'd be in big trouble if the best players were flying around in La7s, or yak3s. Luckily most don't. A p38G, C205, 109F, Spit9, or P47D25 are usually bigger threats because of who tends to fly them.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: save on April 23, 2017, 07:10:55 AM
I remember when our squad was close to 30 members, (during the 600 player titanic tuesday ) and 16 of us flew 262 to a full red radar bar, red guys enjoying vulching one of our fields. 2 minutes later, no red radar bar and noone came back to our field. One of us augered and one got a smoking engine when he HO'ed a buff. I guess war is more fun when you have all advantages. Like Bozon said a well flown low ENY plane with a competent pilot in it with good strategic position pose more threat than a LA-7, Yak-3 with a less experienced pilot.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Rich46yo on April 24, 2017, 08:41:20 PM
All the Yaks are good all around airplanes. The 9T is my choice for base defense because picking off troop carriers is often as important as other fighters. I can even take out some of the tanks with a 9T. Its a tough little booger as well and the 37mm gets you instant respect.
I'd call the Yak 3 one of the five best "15 or above eny" fighters in the game. Its a little weak with gunnery but its stable and easy to fly, most of all at the Alts most of the game is played at. And it does well in the vertical.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: RODBUSTR on April 27, 2017, 04:28:31 PM
I r works well v lancs has field of view no convergence issues can teach ammo conservation.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: atlau on April 28, 2017, 08:10:39 AM
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Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: JVboob on May 21, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
Best for what purpose? MA gameplay? Duels? For all players or just for that top 1%ers?
BEST CAP plane in the game period.
la7/la5 is better imo
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: Rich46yo on June 14, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
Once upon a time we had some guys who were murder in the Yak 9U. Its a very capable air frame even if the 3 has taken up much of its shine since introduced.
Title: Re: Yak3 may be the best fighter in the game...Top 5 at least
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 15, 2017, 03:59:44 PM
Wish there was more people in the AvA when I'm online, historic matchups and matchups where everyone is in the same ride are my favorites
I think the real reason is because the map still isn't that great. We need to bring smog 8 map back. That map brought a lot of people to H2H. I still think it's too big.