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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: BFOOT1 on April 18, 2017, 12:21:57 PM
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Hey guys I found some free time to tally up the scores :salute
Luftwaffe:
Destroyed 9 Hurricanes for 18 points
Destroyed 46 Spitfires for 92 Points
Destroyed 28 points for 280 points
Had 64 pilots survive for 64 points
Destroyed one gun for 1 point.
Total 455 points
RAF
Destroyed 46 Me-109's for 46 points
Destroyed a total of 30 objects for 177 points
Had 38 pilots survive
Total: 307 Points
Frame Two Report: Luftwaffe Victory
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Let me guess how frame 3 is going to work...
109's climb to 30k and ignore massive group of spits below. Loiter, loiter, loiter at high altitude until Boston's are spotted and then attack. Axis wins 450 to 300 :aok
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Hey guys I found some free time to tally up the scores :salute
Luftwaffe:
Destroyed 9 Hurricanes for 18 points
Destroyed 46 Spitfires for 92 Points
Destroyed 28 Bostons for 280 points
Had 64 pilots survive for 64 points
Destroyed one gun for 1 point.
Total 455 points
RAF
Destroyed 46 Me-109's for 92 points
Destroyed a total of 30 objects for 177 points
Had 38 pilots survive
Total: 307 Points
Frame Two Report: Luftwaffe Victory
Fixed :)
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Let me guess how frame 3 is going to work...
109's climb to 30k and ignore massive group of spits below. Loiter, loiter, loiter at high altitude until Boston's are spotted and then attack. Axis wins 450 to 300 :aok
Set haze and fog to 8 miles, set alt cap to 18k for all planes.... Game on! :rock
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Set haze and fog to 8 miles, set alt cap to 18k for all planes.... Game on! :rock
That's really not a bad idea and I wonder if it would help balance the frame?
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Let me guess how frame 3 is going to work...
109's climb to 30k and ignore massive group of spits below. Loiter, loiter, loiter at high altitude until Boston's are spotted and then attack. Axis wins 450 to 300 :aok
Why are your spits not climbing to 30K to engage them? Or climbing to 30K prior to engagement?? Every spit group i have seen were well below there.
There is one certainty in FSO and Scenarios....someone is going to say its imbalanced for some reason which doesnt take into account overall tactics used....anytime anyone hits with NOE first they are going to get chewed up...they are best used later in the frame after attention has been drawn away from a target....not when POTW and DWZ are loitering over it.
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....not when POTW and DWZ are loitering over it.
Wisdom.
Hurricanes and Bostons on the deck without High cover - is not a recipe for success.
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Why are your spits not climbing to 30K to engage them? Or climbing to 30K prior to engagement?? Every spit group i have seen were well below there.
There is one certainty in FSO and Scenarios....someone is going to say its imbalanced for some reason which doesnt take into account overall tactics used....anytime anyone hits with NOE first they are going to get chewed up...they are best used later in the frame after attention has been drawn away from a target....not when POTW and DWZ are loitering over it.
Allied orders are out! :lol
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Well I have to disagree with ya Junky, in frame 1 the Boston multi directional NOE was successful in my book. Though I am sure you and I have a totally different opinion of success in FSO.
In frame 2, the Hurri run on the V-base was a Cic call, when orders came out that mission was listed as the "SUICIDE MISSION" . Cic knew we wouldn't make it out, we knew we wouldn't make it out. We defied orders in that we did NOT take bombs, and we took light fuel.
However we DID as ordered, without argument for the most part.
All but 1 hurri shot down, but on the other hand we scored as many points as we lost in that mission. It was a wash, simple as that IF your counting points. In G3, we don't ever consider points, in my planning as Cic I never consider points. I did what I thought best for this setup in frame 1 to assure all you Axis guys had target's to shoot at, which is why I made sure to hit all 3 targets. I knew I was doing that from the get go as soon as I had the objectives.
We had convo with Way after frame one, he was shocked we did what we did and pointed out it was as much luck as anything that there were Axis planes @ A110 to see that raid happen. As one of the Boston flyer's I will tell you it was as much fun as I have had in a FSO frame in a VERY LONG time. 40 minutes of NOE over rolling terrain, with a 200' dar alt, popping to 1k at 300 IAS thirty seconds before bombs out, and having only 1 guy out of 7 miss his target ( that a squaddie got in the end anyways) is TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL my friends.
As to my comments above..... It's a deal where I wish I was a CM, cause I would totally have those setting in this in a heartbeat.
:salute
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That's really not a bad idea and I wonder if it would help balance the frame?
It's not going to help one bit if, as in the first two frames, the spits that intercepted us choose to not engage us fully and hope to pick a few stragglers as we loiter waiting for your buffs to appear.
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Zoney,
How would you loiter if your at the same alt as the spits, and the buffs? That is what the setting changes, plus visibility is diminished as well.
I am always reading about equality and playability, with a sense of historical setup...... This setup has nothing historical about it in terms of playability. Sorry that's just how I see it.
I think with a couple tweaks, it could be much more fun and intense...... However, in terms of points based on current values, the allies can't win..... Which at Dunkirk..... They didn't!
:salute
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Well I have to disagree with ya Junky, in frame 1 the Boston multi directional NOE was successful in my book. Though I am sure you and I have a totally different opinion of success in FSO.
In frame 2, the Hurri run on the V-base was a Cic call, when orders came out that mission was listed as the "SUICIDE MISSION" . Cic knew we wouldn't make it out, we knew we wouldn't make it out. We defied orders in that we did NOT take bombs, and we took light fuel.
However we DID as ordered, without argument for the most part.
All but 1 hurri shot down, but on the other hand we scored as many points as we lost in that mission. It was a wash, simple as that IF your counting points. In G3, we don't ever consider points, in my planning as Cic I never consider points. I did what I thought best for this setup in frame 1 to assure all you Axis guys had target's to shoot at, which is why I made sure to hit all 3 targets. I knew I was doing that from the get go as soon as I had the objectives.
We had convo with Way after frame one, he was shocked we did what we did and pointed out it was as much luck as anything that there were Axis planes @ A110 to see that raid happen. As one of the Boston flyer's I will tell you it was as much fun as I have had in a FSO frame in a VERY LONG time. 40 minutes of NOE over rolling terrain, with a 200' dar alt, popping to 1k at 300 IAS thirty seconds before bombs out, and having only 1 guy out of 7 miss his target ( that a squaddie got in the end anyways) is TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL my friends.
As to my comments above..... It's a deal where I wish I was a CM, cause I would totally have those setting in this in a heartbeat.
:salute
I do believe the Bostons were successful because of the different directions but they would have done a lot better if the Spitfires were at 30K fighting the 109s instead of at 25K following us around waiting for the Bostons. As for the NOE run with the Hurris I completely understand following orders and making the best out of the situation...I was only making the comment toward the imbalance comment....which is now the norm here on the BBS.
I have a good time any time I can fly FSO because of the immersion in it and I like that you guys don't take the score seriously, neither does POTW we execute whatever orders we get and have a good time flying along side each other and the rest of the squads out there....in the end it's about reliving the espirit de corps and the rush of the men who fought in these events we make believe we are apart of.
Hell of Hinterland got similar comments about imbalance but every point that everyone makes toward imbalance comes with a counter point of tactics used or which squad had a good night or a few pilots having incredible influence in the arena....POTW had arguably it's best night ever kill wise Frame 1....CMs can't account for 1 squad having a "Hot" night getting 31 kills(2 aces and 4-5 of us with 3-4 kills a piece) or a pilot killing 8 people in one sortie ect ect ect.....CMs do their best to make it even and people just none stop criticize them, just saying people need to worry more about what they can do better or what they can do to have more fun ect ect ect.
Zoney,
How would you loiter if your at the same alt as the spits, and the buffs? That is what the setting changes, plus visibility is diminished as well.
I am always reading about equality and playability, with a sense of historical setup...... This setup has nothing historical about it in terms of playability. Sorry that's just how I see it.
I think with a couple tweaks, it could be much more fun and intense...... However, in terms of points based on current values, the allies can't win..... Which at Dunkirk..... They didn't!
:salute
Bombers out running interceptors after their first pass is why the alts are like that...you are talking about making it more balance by giving a suggestion which would make the Bostons nearly invulnerable after the 109s first attack.
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Why are your spits not climbing to 30K to engage them? Or climbing to 30K prior to engagement?? Every spit group i have seen were well below there.
There is one certainty in FSO and Scenarios....someone is going to say its imbalanced for some reason which doesnt take into account overall tactics used....anytime anyone hits with NOE first they are going to get chewed up...they are best used later in the frame after attention has been drawn away from a target....not when POTW and DWZ are loitering over it.
In the first two frames so far the 109s have avoided engaging the spitfires. At high altitude the 109f outclasses the spitfire on sheer speed alone. The interceptors are just blowing through the escorts and then just walking away while they search for the Bostons. I'm not complaining because it's a smart tactic. By doing this the 109s are able to dispatch the Bostons and then engage the spitfires with heavy numbers advantages. Kudos to the axis pilots, still frustrates the allied pilots though so stop playing to your planes strong points please.
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In the first two frames so far the 109s have avoided engaging the spitfires. At high altitude the 109f outclasses the spitfire on sheer speed alone. The interceptors are just blowing through the escorts and then just walking away while they search for the Bostons. I'm not complaining because it's a smart tactic. By doing this the 109s are able to dispatch the Bostons and then engage the spitfires with heavy numbers advantages. Kudos to the axis pilots, still frustrates the allied pilots though so stop playing to your planes strong points please.
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But that doesnt mean you fly at 25K instead of 30K....better to have the extra altitude to play with then be at your performance altitude.
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But that doesnt mean you fly at 25K instead of 30K....better to have the extra altitude to play with then be at your performance altitude.
Yep. Climb to 30k+ and then dive down to your intercept altitude and you will be going faster than if you just cruise along at your best performance altitude. It's really easy to descend when your enemy is below you........climbing to a higher faster enemy.........not so much.
Come on allies. There are plenty of times you gents have the better performance planes. Let's have some fun, lets fight, lets do our best, lets perform our assigned mission then giggle like fools because win or lose FSO's are fun.
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Let's have some fun, lets fight, lets do our best, lets perform our assigned mission then giggle like fools because win or lose FSO's are fun.
This right here :rock
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Yep. Climb to 30k+ and then dive down to your intercept altitude and you will be going faster than if you just cruise along at your best performance altitude. It's really easy to descend when your enemy is below you........climbing to a higher faster enemy.........not so much.
Come on allies. There are plenty of times you gents have the better performance planes. Let's have some fun, lets fight, lets do our best, lets perform our assigned mission then giggle like fools because win or lose FSO's are fun.
:aok :aok :aok :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :salute :salute :salute I couldn't agree more!!! :old: :joystick: :airplane:
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But that doesnt mean you fly at 25K instead of 30K....better to have the extra altitude to play with then be at your performance altitude.
So we fly at 30k and the 109s fly right past us without engaging just like before. I understand the point you are trying to make, but if the 109s don't engage it's a moot point. And I have had many, many FSOs were I am in a crap ride, I still fly it to the best of my ability. It's not a complaint, the axis did their job by ignoring the escorts until the bombers were dead.
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I do not care to get into sharing my thoughts on how someone should have done it better, but there is no such thing as a non-win situation in my book. If fighters come in high and ignore you. Come in high or higher and jump them, or follow them around until they lose they position they want to hang onto so dearly. There are always options. I have flown this fight on both sides numerous times with these rides and it can be won by either side. Now see you all up there and you should expect a fight!
:salute
Way
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I do not care to get into sharing my thoughts on how someone should have done it better, but there is no such thing as a non-win situation in my book. If fighters come in high and ignore you. Come in high or higher and jump them, or follow them around until they lose they position they want to hang onto so dearly. There are always options. I have flown this fight on both sides numerous times with these rides and it can be won by either side. Now see you all up there and you should expect a fight!
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Way
CONCUR! We all fight your best fight...accomplish your assigned missions/tasks to the best of your abilities...at some point during the evening, take a second to imagine what the warriors on both sides were going through as they faced similar situations (and give them all a quick toast), and most certainly enjoy the camaraderie and teamwork of your fellow friends (and Foes alike)!!
As to the environmental factors discussions: Agree! and if we could, I'd LOVE to see cloud layers all over the place ... however, it IS a game, and there are certain factors that (like it or not), can't be replicated exactly.
We are all doing our best.
Enjoy it!
See you all in the not so friendly skies!
:cheers:
-Rodent57
PS I'd ask that folks lay off the CMs that devote their time to creating and running these set ups for us ALL. Not to say you shouldn't make positive suggestions, but complaining really serves no good purpose does it?
PPS And here is a simple challenge, IF you truly believe you can do it better...why not volunteer to do so??? :aok
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"PS I'd ask that folks lay off the CMs that devote their time to creating and running these set ups for us ALL. Not to say you shouldn't make positive suggestions, but complaining really serves no good purpose does it? "
Thank you Rodent. And Thank You all for your support and comments. As CM's we monitor the comments and try to improve the event. Every little thing matters. As pointed out, this event was originally ran ( a few months ago) with German 110c's and American B-25's active. Your comments about the weather are fair. We are constantly trying to improve the maps in the new version of the game. So much so that in Frame 2 we got our map makers to "unstick" the two grounded CVs and add Ack guns around Paris and London (the later is not in play for this event but in the future?) As to planes, I must be missing some subtle points because the Spit 5 is a fair match for the 109F. The Bostons are very fast. Personally, I have had Spits pass overhead for Frames 1 & 2. We were in 109E's and I would prefer the Spit 5 any day. When they passed overhead, if I would have had a lump of coal I could have passed a diamond. But the point you make is well founded, we are all volunteers and we are trying to make each frame better than the last. Is it Friday yet?
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Ida know and I'm not trying to bait here but can a Boston trio realistically score 30+ points? If not, why?
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With some work yes, but conditions have to be perfect, with fighters tangled up and a good run on the target.
It's only my 2nd setup that I've designed/ran. I'm still trying to figure out how to score my events as equally as possible and it's not easy believe me. I want setups to be challenging, but fun as well. It's a learning process for me, I'm in the stage of Advanced CM Training if that's what we'd call it. I'm doing my best to make sure you guys are having fun, but are also being challenged.
I know my weaknesses and one of those at the moment is designing a good balanced score :salute
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BFoot old mate, getting scoring right is about the hardest thing a designer has to face.
This setup is pretty good.
The scoring will be the only problem here. Try doing the sums with the Bostons worth about 5 points and see how it looks.
The problem you have presently is that an Allied CO can score more points by keeping his Bostons out of the battle. That sort of thing causes comment! :)
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I shouldn't have given advice that the spits stay at 30k....that seemed to work a lot better...fun fight tonight guys :aok
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we flew our 109's at 34k and I told my guys to ignore spits, we can kill them anytime. we want bombers. we got our wish. we did fly past 3 very large groups of spits, but bombers are worth more points and are less work from my standpoint.
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I shouldn't have given advice that the spits stay at 30k....that seemed to work a lot better...fun fight tonight guys :aok
I was thinking the same thing :rofl We were the first to smack into the Spit Wall of Doom. This was my face :uhoh Somehow we made it out of that one okay and tumbled into 112. Fun evening all around I think. :cheers:
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we flew our 109's at 34k and I told my guys to ignore spits, we can kill them anytime. we want bombers. we got our wish. we did fly past 3 very large groups of spits, but bombers are worth more points and are less work from my standpoint.
This man speaks the truth, and uses good old fashion common sense.
:salute