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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: FTJR on May 26, 2017, 01:28:22 PM
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Greetings,
Like everyone, i've been busy trying to update my p51 skin, a very slow process.
Firstly i'd like to give a big shout out to Mr Vraciu for the enormous amount of time a patience he has shown me with help and feedback on using the new skinning system. Thank You.
Also to Oboe, who has answered my questions when ever I felt the need to ask.
Having said that, all mistakes are my own.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss88.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss88.png.html)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/Clipboard02.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/Clipboard02.png.html)
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/Clipboard014.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/Clipboard014.png.html)
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Greetings,
Like everyone, i've been busy trying to update my p51 skin, a very slow process.
Firstly i'd like to give a big shout out to Mr Vraciu for the enormous amount of time a patience he has shown me with help and feedback on using the new skinning system. Thank You.
Also to Oboe, who has answered my questions when ever I felt the need to ask.
Having said that, all mistakes are my own.
Well done. Light years of improvement compared to your original. :x
I'm sure you'll get constructive feedback from the gurus but it looks like a completely different machine.
:aok
Glad to be of assistance, sir. I just passed along what Devil, Greebo, Skuzzy, Fencer, Oboe, Hitech, etc. shared with me. It's nice to see it working favorably via translation. It was fun working with you on it. What an amazing thing the internet can be. :salute
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<S> FTJR! She is looking so much better!
The elevator hinge shading looks a but wide, and I have discovered there is no shading on the flaps hinge border - its flush. Sure is nice to see the metal shine though~
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<S> FTJR! She is looking so much better!
The elevator hinge shading looks a but wide, and I have discovered there is no shading on the flaps hinge border - its flush. Sure is nice to see the metal shine though~
Yeah, maybe knock a one pixel width line off the aft elevator shadow.
The flap gap maybe the same thing. Aileron gap looks nice. I need to steal that and your fuel caps. Lol
Where's the original? I can't find it for some reason.
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V, if you are looking for it offline you might not see it if you already have a bunch of uninstalled P-51D skin folders - the P-51D is full so the additional offline skins you add bump existing skins out of your offline display.
You should be able to see it online though.
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Great improvement, FTJR.
What stands out to me most that I would correct is the blue hue on the metal fuselage and painted portion of the wings. The parts look too close to the same color for being both bare metal and silver paint. The contrast looks good on the wing itself, so it may be a result of the environment map on the fuselage. I'll give the same tip I gave to Vracui - bake in the blueish highlights only to the metal parts and keep silver paint in the pure gray scale.
Another adjustment I'd make is to desaturate the red on the fuel caps and stencils, maybe even darken the shade of red a bit too. It seems to light and bright to me.
Overall this is a very well done skin. Great work.
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I thought the same about the wings but didn't mention it because I wasn't sure if that was intentional based on photos.
The fuselage metal looks good to me though. I wouldn't mess with it much--if at all--or the tail.
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After looking at it....
Almost seems as though the flaps and the wings need to swap colors. Then it would be right on.
I think...
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You can also adjust the hue of the wing paint layer to reduce the blue.
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Thanks Guys, I'll get to adjusting it as suggested. Cheers
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Changle log: Wing colour (is it better?), Red adjusted, Aileron tabs adjusted, Flap hinge adjusted. Did I miss anything?
Thanks guys
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss90.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss90.png.html)
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Changle log: Wing colour (is it better?), Red adjusted, Aileron tabs adjusted, Flap hinge adjusted. Did I miss anything?
Thanks guys
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss90.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss90.png.html)
All the bare metal and control surfaces looks blue on my end.
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Blue is okay.
It's just the degree.
The fuselage and NMF stuff is fine IMO. At least for a first revision.
A fresh eye tomorrow will reveal more.
Take a look at my Jo-Baby or some of Fencer's 51s for a hint on the gray for the wing. I learned a lot by looking at Fencer's 51 wing and by Devil's 109 that had all the varying effects--metal vs paint.
Even if you don't get it 100% I would still submit the revision this tour. It is a definite upgrade.
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The fuselage and the tail look true to me.
Something is not quite squaring up the flaps with the vators if they are the same thing. Take a look at the spec maps just to be sure.
I think the fuselage is like 98% right on... I wouldn't mangle it much just yet.
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Well done FTJR, its a good looking skin and likely to be popular with Aussie players. I'd say that elevator shadow still looks too big though, to my eyes it should be half that size.
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Sorry to step on Greebo's post here but............
I keep staring at this screenshot..............
The wing is an improvement. Really good change.
I think you should copy the pattern for the HORIZONTAL *STAB* to the flaps and ailerons. The mottling, the NMF, the base layer....all of it.
The tail looks right but the flaps/ailerons don't match it. Could be an angle thing............
I hope you get what I am saying.
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All the bare metal and control surfaces looks blue on my end.
I think that's on purpose, but I agree.
The optimal degree is the question. Just gotta' tweak it.
There has to be some blue in it. Then again, your BANSHEE has some of the best NMF I have seen so I will totally defer to your judgment on this one.
DEVIL said it best (paraphrasing) : MAKE IT (Banshee) A POSTER FOR ADVERTISING.
I will shut up now. Help this guy nail his revision down so it can get into the next tour...
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Well done FTJR, its a good looking skin and likely to be popular with Aussie players. I'd say that elevator shadow still looks too big though, to my eyes it should be half that size.
Thanks Greebo, I'll adjust it.
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Sorry to step on Greebo's post here but............
I keep staring at this screenshot..............
The wing is an improvement. Really good change.
I think you should copy the pattern for the HORIZONTAL *STAB* to the flaps and ailerons. The mottling, the NMF, the base layer....all of it.
The tail looks right but the flaps/ailerons don't match it. Could be an angle thing............
I hope you get what I am saying.
I understand... but translating it to the bitmap might be a tough.. I will try though. Thanks
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Changelog: Implemented Greebo's suggestion with the elevator shadow (too much?), played with the wing colour some more, tried out Vraciu's suggestion on the flaps.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss91.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss91.png.html)
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Not really satisfied with the wing colour, ideally i'd like to closer to Fencers updated George Preddy's aircraft, but that effect is elluding me.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss92.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss92.png.html)
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Not really satisfied with the wing colour, ideally i'd like to closer to Fencers updated George Preddy's aircraft, but that effect is elluding me.
What software are you using?
Wing is 180, 182, 194 then pixel blurred slightly and set to 90%. Oh yeah make sure you got an aluminum wing layout underneath like the fuselage.
Then take a brush like a leaf or some other patter and use random scattering and make a black and white layer each. Blur that 1 or 2 px then set to 4%.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=387285.0;attach=27582)
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The wing color in the bottom pic is good I think.
Now maybe take out a TOUCH of the blue in the metal. The fuselage looks right. The mottling is nice. I think that the contrast is too stark now between the paint and the metal though, so you'll have to tweak it.
That's my theory. Anyone else have a thought?
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This is an indoor shot; I think Fencer passed it along to me a while ago.
(http://i.imgur.com/nfsqBgS.jpg)
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What software are you using?
Thank you for the tip Fencer, Im using Photoshop.
V, im still working on it.
Oboe, thanks.
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Changelog: Implemented Fencers suggestion, Toned down the blue.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss94.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss94.png.html)
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To me, the painted area of the wing now looks too white and washed out.
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To me, the painted area of the wing now looks too white and washed out.
Yup, i see what you mean, tweak one thing, something else looks strange. I dont want to mess with the spec maps, it took so long to get there. I'll darken the wing paint
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Darkened the wing paint, this shot is a little further away than the previous ones, to me it "looks" about right.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss95.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss95.png.html)
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:aok
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I know you are getting a lot of conflicting advice here FTJR, but the bare metal areas now have a slightly greenish tinge to my eyes.
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I know you are getting a lot of conflicting advice here FTJR, but the bare metal areas now have a slightly greenish tinge to my eyes.
Should the flaps match the fuselage or can they be different?
The contrast with the flaps and the wing paint seems to throw the balance off just a bit.
Maybe darker on the wings?
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I know you are getting a lot of conflicting advice here FTJR, but the bare metal areas now have a slightly greenish tinge to my eyes.
Thanks Greebo, I will adjust it back towards the previous colour
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Should the flaps match the fuselage or can they be different?
The contrast with the flaps and the wing paint seems to throw the balance off just a bit.
Maybe darker on the wings?
I swear the flaps and fuselage are the same colour on the base, I see the difference that you see and wonder if it's the spec maps. I'll tweak it some more to try get them closer.
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Sorry, i've been on the road for the last few days.
Changelog: Metal layer. 1 layer, 1 colour for the fuse and the wings.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss96.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss96.png.html)
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Hi FTJR -
You should check Vraciu's thread on his Eddin's "Wee Willie" P-51 - Hitech has been giving advice on map values for power, env and spec - and Vraciu has posted his maps. Might be worth trying them and see what can of difference it makes, for curiosity sake.
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Hi FTJR -
You should check Vraciu's thread on his Eddin's "Wee Willie" P-51 - Hitech has been giving advice on map values for power, env and spec - and Vraciu has posted his maps. Might be worth trying them and see what can of difference it makes, for curiosity sake.
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Thanks Oboe, I will, <S>
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Sorry, i've been on the road for the last few days.
Changelog: Metal layer. 1 layer, 1 colour for the fuse and the wings.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss96.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss96.png.html)
Try darkening the wing paint some more just to see.
It's the contrast between the two being so stark that seems off. It may be accurate. Not sure.
Let me look at some pics. BRB.
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I think a darker wing paint solves it. The metal looks good to me.
http://www.swissmustangs.ch/mediac/400_0/media/RAAF~A68-565~LB-V~84~Sqdn~plus~3~ships_b.jpg
(http://www.swissmustangs.ch/mediac/400_0/media/RAAF~A68-565~LB-V~84~Sqdn~plus~3~ships_b.jpg)
https://i1.wp.com/www.goflying.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/P-51K_Mustang_84_Sqn_RAAF_in_flight_1945.jpg
(https://i1.wp.com/www.goflying.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/P-51K_Mustang_84_Sqn_RAAF_in_flight_1945.jpg)
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac6/CAC%20Mustangs.jpg
(http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac6/CAC%20Mustangs.jpg)
http://www.swissmustangs.ch/mediac/400_0/media/RAAF~A68-565~LB-V~84~Sqdn~plus~3~ships_b.jpg
(http://www.swissmustangs.ch/mediac/400_0/media/RAAF~A68-565~LB-V~84~Sqdn~plus~3~ships_b.jpg)
http://users.telenet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/fgun/p51d-b.jpg
(http://users.telenet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/fgun/p51d-b.jpg)
http://www.thescale.info/news/uploads/rnzaf-mustang-paint-roundel.jpg
(http://www.thescale.info/news/uploads/rnzaf-mustang-paint-roundel.jpg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/84_Squadron_RAAF_Mustang_Labuan_June_1945_AWM_045060.jpg
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/84_Squadron_RAAF_Mustang_Labuan_June_1945_AWM_045060.jpg)
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This wing color is closer to the flaps/ailerons.
http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss92.png.html
(http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss92.png)
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Another go at the wings, Also updated the anti glare panel which i've discovered were black in the RAAF pacific.
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/ahss98.png) (http://s221.photobucket.com/user/jackfrost_011/media/ahss98.png.html)
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I'd say much closer...but still too light.
It is jarring to darken it, I've been through this before, but once your eye adjusts you'll like it. And you can always go back, just save a backup file.