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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Frodo on June 10, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
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Why were the plane type and limits not posted for both sides? First time I can remember this happening? Someone even posted about it early.
Axis were allowed 12 109G14s. Allies used 11 Spit 8s and 13 Spit 9s. Is this the reason the min/max numbers were not posted to everyone as it has been done in the past?
101 Allies and 83 Axis?
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:confused: :confused: :confused:
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I'm not surprised.
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Why were the plane type and limits not posted for both sides? First time I can remember this happening? Someone even posted about it early.
Axis were allowed 12 109G14s. Allies used 11 Spit 8s and 13 Spit 9s. Is this the reason the min/max numbers were not posted to everyone as it has been done in the past?
101 Allies and 83 Axis?
The historical information that I researched stated that the G-14 arrived in the Western European theater in July of 1944. That means if we went by history, there would be no BF109G-14s in this event at all. The prevailing fighter variants around the time of the invasion were the G-6 and A-8.
Where there was a definite discrepancy was the number of F-8s used in the event. The first F-8 didn't fly until later in 1944 and the bombing version of the FW190F on hand was more of a converted FW190A-5. This would have been more accurate, so I apologize for that inaccuracy.
Best Regards,
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Sure go ahead and ditch the G14 then.
So going forward the other sides plane min/max will not be posted?
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So going forward the other sides plane min/max will not be posted?
I'll review the effectiveness of the adjustments to ascertain a final result. If there is a net positive effect, I'll keep it, if not it will be dumped.
Just trying a few new modifications to see weather anything is added to the event. This modifications should not have had any bearing on your game play or planning.
Cheers...
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I'll review the effectiveness of the adjustments to ascertain a final result. If there is a net positive effect, I'll keep it, if not it will be dumped.
Just trying a few new modifications to see weather anything is added to the event. This modifications should not have had any bearing on your game play or planning.
Cheers...
I highly disagree. By making the minimums and maximums known in the event write-up, it ensures the players knows the event was built to be balanced for both sides. This should be SOP for all designs.
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but brooke wouldn't allow that to happen Devil................
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but brooke wouldn't allow that to happen Devil................
Why does FSO have anything to do with Brooke?
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I highly disagree. By making the minimums and maximums known in the event write-up, it ensures the players knows the event was built to be balanced for both sides. This should be SOP for all designs.
Not sure where this has any bearing either. If the Luftwaffe was been given more advanced aircraft for the event than were available in the real battle, why even mention it. The Luftwaffe has a bunch of F-8s and enough G-14s to make a difference. So what is the issue now?
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Maybe you can list the advantages to game play by leaving out the min/max. I kind of like having an idea of how many of what we might be up against.
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Why were the plane type and limits not posted for both sides? First time I can remember this happening? Someone even posted about it early.
I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "Posted." If you mean "mailed to you," probably not. If you mean "posted" as in "for everyone to read," then yes. The Plane set has been "posted" since I built the arena last Wednesday. The Arena Message reads:
Allied Plane Set:
9th USAAF Min/Max RAF 2nd TAC Min/Max
P-51B Max 10 Spitfire IX Max 12
P-47D-11 Max 12 Spitfire VIII Max 8
P-47D-25 Max 8 Typhoon IB Min 10
P-38J Max 10 Mosquito VI Max 10
B-26B Min 8 > B-25C Min 8 >
Axis Plane Set:
Luftlotte 3 Min/Max
BF109G-6 Unlimited
BF109G-14 Max 12
FW190A-8 Min 18 >
FW190F-8 Min 18 >
JU88A-4 Min 16 >
Seems clear to me.
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The Arena Message reads
Arena message? What is that?
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I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "Posted." If you mean "mailed to you," probably not. If you mean "posted" as in "for everyone to read," then yes. The Plane set has been "posted" since I built the arena last Wednesday. The Arena Message reads:
Allied Plane Set:
9th USAAF Min/Max RAF 2nd TAC Min/Max
P-51B Max 10 Spitfire IX Max 12
P-47D-11 Max 12 Spitfire VIII Max 8
P-47D-25 Max 8 Typhoon IB Min 10
P-38J Max 10 Mosquito VI Max 10
B-26B Min 8 > B-25C Min 8 >
Axis Plane Set:
Luftlotte 3 Min/Max
BF109G-6 Unlimited
BF109G-14 Max 12
FW190A-8 Min 18 >
FW190F-8 Min 18 >
JU88A-4 Min 16 >
Seems clear to me.
The point is, that until this design, all of this info was known the moment the design was made public. It was not withheld until game day.
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I did not see this, so my bad. It is usually in the objectives but was left out this time? Why?
So the Allies went over the max on both Spit models? Plus being up 18 pilots overall. :headscratch:
I don't think you can call the 190F8 an advanced aircraft. You do realize it is a heavy slow ground attack version of the 190?
Agree the 190a5 would have been a better choice.
You guys do realize there are 2 sides to FSO?
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Not sure where this has any bearing either. If the Luftwaffe was been given more advanced aircraft for the event than were available in the real battle, why even mention it. The Luftwaffe has a bunch of F-8s and enough G-14s to make a difference. So what is the issue now?
You do realize our G-6 is an early build of Spring '43 and not very representative of what was at the front in June of '44, similar to out Spit 9 being the earliest of the type, right?
You should also know that the G-14 designation was an attempt to make standard of all the improvements made to the G-6 since it's introduction, and thus a late build G-6 from June '44 would be identical to a G-14 in July.
And furthermore, you should know that we do not have the A/S variant of the G-6 in AH to represent the 109's with capable performance at altitude. These were also present in June '44.
A better balance would have the G-6 and Spit9 in equal numbers and no limit on the G-14's.
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I get the disagreements with the Bf 109 variants in this time frame. In the future though you guys should ask before frame 1 rolls out so we can maybe make a change.
I like to see the min maxs listed.
Anyways let's see how it plays out. :salute
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Just a point - The orders went out with Max numbers on them. Maybe the way I represented them wasn't clear. I'm sorry if that was the case. I was having a discussion about the Spit8 numbers before the frame but again, it clearly didn't register with the people responsible.
I was also having massive trouble with the pita that is the mission system which left me busier than a one legged pogo stick jockey in an arse kicking contest.
In fact I will candidly say that this frame was the most difficult I can recall in respect of planning. There was a small error with the write up we were sent and therefore both CICs planned initially without all the info. A quick rehash and reallocation was required and frankly it was difficult getting it out in time.
I was quite wary that in the rewrite I may have got something wrong, unbalanced, or just plain left something out.
None of which really matters in the wash-up because the intent was always good.
From memory the Allies started with about +20 people. That is too hard to make up in most frames.
Anyways, the effluent that has since flowed in the Allied mail list is enough to demonstrate that Friday Squad Ops has lost its soul. Not going to put up with this stuff anymore. My patience has been flushed.
Going to give it a couple of days to reflect and then make a decision.
Love you all
Dantoo
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