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Title: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: alpini13 on June 10, 2017, 02:32:07 PM
  the last NEW plane aces high recieved was in january  2014,the russian bomber i believe,   will there be more planes added?   does anybody have any real suggestions?  please no aircraft that did not see combat or were experimental or that only a handful were made..   my choices.   FIAT G55 , P-51A , MIG 3 , KI-44 , MITSUBISHI J2M3.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: cav58d on June 10, 2017, 02:38:37 PM
A strong arguement can be made for HE177 and or the Beaufighter.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: DmonSlyr on June 10, 2017, 03:18:37 PM
Didn't we just have a thread like this  :headscratch:

Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: ImADot on June 10, 2017, 03:19:10 PM
No new planes until all current ones have been updated to AH3 modeling.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 10, 2017, 03:23:42 PM
No new planes until all current ones have been updated to AH3 modeling.

 :aok
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: nugetx on June 10, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
There could always be more model variants of planes.  109 e3 e4 e7 f2 f4 g2 g6 g10 g14  etc
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: bustr on June 10, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
You think maybe a good business decision now will be updating all of the AH1 generation 3D models to AH3 for the roll-out on Steam. Those old models will be an eyesore to an eyecandy generation of online hero's.....
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: nugetx on June 10, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
You think maybe a good business decision now will be updating all of the AH1 generation 3D models to AH3 for the roll-out on Steam. Those old models will be an eyesore to an eyecandy generation of online hero's.....

there is this thing on steam called 'steam workshop'  i'm sure there would be plenty of modders who would help Hitech updating the graphics if he allowed them to.

steam workshop is also a great place for mods of all kind.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: The Fugitive on June 10, 2017, 04:19:23 PM
there is this thing on steam called 'steam workshop'  i'm sure there would be plenty of modders who would help Hitech updating the graphics if he allowed them to.

steam workshop is also a great place for mods of all kind.

LOL! That isnt going to happen. Skins yes, models no way in H@.. !
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: cav58d on June 10, 2017, 04:46:14 PM
There could always be more model variants of planes.  109 e3 e4 e7 f2 f4 g2 g6 g10 g14  etc

I like that idea, especially in the form of a RPS.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Zoney on June 10, 2017, 05:05:03 PM
I like that idea, especially in the form of a RPS.

Speaking of "reaching there"..................

                    :devil
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: BuckShot on June 10, 2017, 05:15:17 PM
All updated planes, then...

Hs129 with all the loadouts

Westland Whirlwind

Ki-100
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: nugetx on June 10, 2017, 05:57:38 PM
Speaking of "reaching there"..................

                    :devil

reach the stars  :D
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: lunatic1 on June 10, 2017, 07:09:28 PM
There could always be more model variants of planes.  109 e3 e4 e7 f2 f4 g2 g6 g10 g14  etc
we already have the 109-e4-F4--G2-G6-and G-14

the 109-G6 is being used in the currant Senario I shot 1 down today
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: lunatic1 on June 10, 2017, 07:11:15 PM
I like that idea, especially in the form of a RPS.
surely and hopefully thia is just a jab at a certain someone's previous multiple post's
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: lunatic1 on June 10, 2017, 07:37:26 PM
No new planes until all current ones have been updated to AH3 modeling.

works for me
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: lunatic1 on June 10, 2017, 07:42:18 PM
There could always be more model variants of planes.  109 e3 e4 e7 f2 f4 g2 g6 g10 g14  etc

all these planes have to have had certain amount of time and quantity in WWII to be considered.
not a big fan of German Iron except 109-E4 and F4. never heard discussion of the 109-E3 and E7. I will research these 2 and see.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: lunatic1 on June 10, 2017, 07:45:16 PM
there is this thing on steam called 'steam workshop'  i'm sure there would be plenty of modders who would help Hitech updating the graphics if he allowed them to.

steam workshop is also a great place for mods of all kind.

I seriously doubt HiTech will turn to outsiders non HTC employees to or players to mess with this game.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Shuffler on June 10, 2017, 08:52:04 PM
If AH goes steam they will be working to make that work. The planes might slowly get updated.

I do not know but I think any new planes will be a while away.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Max on June 11, 2017, 07:58:31 AM
If AH goes steam they will be working to make that work. The planes might slowly get updated.

I do not know but I think any new planes will be a while away.

Forget about planes. I've been asking for submarines since '02!  :(
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Vraciu on June 11, 2017, 05:32:10 PM
SB2C. 

SB2C.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Bruv119 on June 12, 2017, 10:55:02 AM
your list is ok. 

i think both the meteor and beaufighter would see more action in the open melee arena.   the last thing we need are more hangar queens.   
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: bozon on June 13, 2017, 03:11:14 AM
Most notable planes not represented in AH:
Beaufighter
SB2C
KI44

Variants that have a lot of added value, not hangar queens, and bring something new to the arena:
JU88 attack variant
Mosquito XVIII tse-tse (57 mm Mollins cannon)

Other interesting options:
Whirlwind (early war scenarios, useful even in the MA)
Meteor (another perked jet to combat other jets)
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: save on June 13, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
I'm advocating for more variants for the melee arena.

Mossie had a small number of interesting variants
P47C for scenarios
Bf109G6AS Bf109g14AS, G10 20mm...
FW190a2 FW190a9

BOB planes  109s Spit Mk II. Spitfire VC, early Ju88

Most wanted new plane would be the JU52, anyone dedicated to fly LW planes puke flying the C47.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: atlau on June 14, 2017, 12:07:42 AM
your list is ok. 

i think both the meteor and beaufighter would see more action in the open melee arena.   the last thing we need are more hangar queens.

+1

Meteor with quad hispanos would probably see fair amount of use. The 262s guns are difficult to use agains fighters, especially for most newbies.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: lunatic1 on June 14, 2017, 02:14:52 PM
Forget about planes. I've been asking for submarines since '02!  :(

yeah we don't need submarines
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Zimme83 on June 14, 2017, 03:28:28 PM
Add this and perk the Wirble:
(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/613215-4/xSd.pagespeed.ic.yHYdRWijCr.jpg)

Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: bustr on June 14, 2017, 05:36:16 PM
If that was 1. - a common configuration and 2. - faster than the wirble. It would be a good compromise to give aircraft a chance against the obligatory wirble that is always putting a kink in low alt action around a spawn and base. If it's faster, one guy could keep re-upping, run to town and get it down or keep getting onto the end of the runway before anyone realizes it. I remember hating the M16 for their speed at getting where you didn't expect them to be.


(http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/613215-4/xSd.pagespeed.ic.yHYdRWijCr.jpg)
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Zimme83 on June 14, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
It was far more common than the wirble. It would be about as fast as the 251 half track. The absence of armor would make it easier to kill than a wirble.

Edit: Around 700 Sd.Kfz. 7/1 were built, compared with ~100 Wirbles, the sd.Kfz. 7/2 had a 37 mm cannon similar to the ostwind and around 1000 were built.
The Wirble is also quite a bit overmodeled, its rate of fire is much higher than irl, it had 20 round Magazines so if you fired all 4 guns the ammo would last 2 seconds Before the mags needed to be replaced. A bit different from the spraying the wirbles does in the game..
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Krusty on June 14, 2017, 06:52:04 PM
It would also play as a supply truck, an M3 type with a gun on the back, a troop transport, it could also tow a trailer with an 88 on it. It was the most versatile GV the German army had, you might argue. Served with over 5000+. Compared to the 200 or so from the Wirb side of the equation, it's a shame we don't have it already!

As to the others...I could type out exact reasons why the 109E-3, P-47C, He219, and SB2C have no place in this game. I'll keep this short, though.

I agree: No more planes til all the AH1 models are updated. BuuuUUuuuUuuut....

To keep the conversation going (just because):

He177 you could argue for, but I would say the Do217 has more options and fits more holes in historic planesets. I also would LOVE to see the Ju188, myself.

Fighter-wise, I'd also love the Ki-44, but for fun I'll just make a list, either fun to fly or scenario hangar queens, but generally important airframes:

G.55
C.200/G.50
Revamped Ki-61 line with at least 2 or 3 airframes (if not 4 distinct subvariants)
Fw190A-8 (with proper empty weights and cannon weights)
Fw190G (or at least these loadouts on the A-5 we have)
P-36 or Hawk/75 subvariants (would LOVE this!)
Halifax or Wellington (both early-mid RAF bombers)
B-25J with glass nose and strafer options
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: atlau on June 14, 2017, 07:51:45 PM
The 190A8 weights are off?
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Krusty on June 14, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
It's way too heavy empty. The 30mm weighs a little too few, and the 20mm a lot too many pounds. A 4x20mm loadout 190A8 should be the same weight as a 190D, but it's a lot heavier.

It's sort of like the info they had was for a sturmbock which was much more heavily armored, but as anybody can testify that's flown the A8 in-game against bombers it loses oil and wing guns on your first ping, so the armor isn't actually modeled.

So, yep. We got the wrong weights and our A8 is hurting for it. It would be nice to either get the up-armored version or to get the normal version, but we have the worst combo of the two. All the weight, none of the benefits.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: bozon on June 15, 2017, 02:23:13 AM
and our F6F-5 is at least 15 mph too slow at its peak speed. :old:
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Krusty on June 15, 2017, 07:57:11 AM
and our F6F-5 is at least 15 mph too slow at its peak speed. :old:

I think that one's a bit up for debate. There are many reports of performance testing spanning years. Most list upper 370s to lower 380 range. A couple from 1944 list 390/391 mph on max power, but then even more from 1944 even up to and past November '44 still list 375 mph max or 380 mph.

I've read the comments and discussions about the pitot placement leading to false readouts and that it "kept pace with an F4U at every altitude" but this hasn't been confirmed and is more anecdotal while we have dozens of reports spanning multiple years stating otherwise. Not all of them were from erroneous pitot readings. Often such tests at this time would use ground equipment to confirm onboard instrument readouts. So take that one test-flight anecdote and put it against countless combat pilot reports that said the planes were similar but the F4U was faster, and I'm not convinced the F6F-5 should be a 400mph plane. Needs a lot more proof to back that claim up.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: bozon on June 15, 2017, 11:11:58 AM
We had this discussion years ago. One needs to search for the posts by Widewing on the subject.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: Krusty on June 15, 2017, 01:44:00 PM
Yes, we had it. I don't recall it being convincing. I'll look them up again to refresh my memory.
Title: Re: NEW PLANES FOR ACES HIGH 3
Post by: JVboob on June 15, 2017, 07:36:01 PM
Most notable planes not represented in AH:
Beaufighter
SB2C
KI44
B-25J The C sucks the H has no bombsight or drones the J would see usage like the 26s

Variants that have a lot of added value, not hangar queens, and bring something new to the arena:
JU88 attack variant
Mosquito XVIII tse-tse (57 mm Mollins cannon)

Other interesting options:
Whirlwind (early war scenarios, useful even in the MA)
Meteor (another perked jet to combat other jets)