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Title: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Tec on June 12, 2017, 08:55:38 AM
Seems like a small local airshow and there were NO emergency services on hand.  Good job on the spectators for getting the pilot out.



The embed is giving me an error so if it's not showing up here's the linkage.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnVAPfCgjxI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnVAPfCgjxI)
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Zimme83 on June 12, 2017, 09:03:24 AM
Doesnt seems too bad, will take some time and money but it will fly again.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Le_Straffo on June 12, 2017, 01:53:35 PM
Technical it was not an air-show so the security was pretty light , the airport is not controlled it's mostly a strip of grass (900m * 50m)


As I've read elsewhere the pilot was probably (internet source you know) Cédric Ruet

Here is his résumé (in French cause I'm lazy and you have google translate)
6000 Heures de Vol dont 2000 sur Rafale
Lâché à 15 ans breveté à 17 ans
Militaire depuis 1994 sur Mirage 2000,Alphajet et Rafale
Présentateur Alphajet 2003-2004
Présentateur Rafale 2009-2010

Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 12, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
Oh it's pretty bad.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/12/01/41589A6000000578-0-image-m-18_1497227322584.jpg)
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Zimme83 on June 12, 2017, 04:13:42 PM
Oh, missed that. a broken wing spar is pretty bad yes.

On the other hand, this one is flying again:
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/130/130623/13062356/jpg/active/503x.jpg)
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: cav58d on June 12, 2017, 04:50:57 PM
Does anyone have the statistics on mishaps versus actual combat loses during the war?
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Brooke on June 12, 2017, 08:10:13 PM
Oh it's pretty bad.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/06/12/01/41589A6000000578-0-image-m-18_1497227322584.jpg)

Man.  It didn't look severe enough to break the wing.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: icepac on June 12, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
Left the brakes on?

Too soft field?

Wrong trim setting for take off?

It's probably one of the 3.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Nilsen on June 13, 2017, 11:07:09 AM
joystick was prolly not calibrated
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: nooby52 on June 13, 2017, 01:35:02 PM
Left the brakes on?

Too soft field?

Wrong trim setting for take off?

It's probably one of the 3.

I thought I saw standing water while he was taxiing to the end of the field, and I wondered about the possibly soft turf.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Hungry on June 13, 2017, 01:44:08 PM
Frame by Frame, looks like the prop hit the ground, you can see a small puff of dirt from the front of the plane just before it flips
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Zimme83 on June 13, 2017, 01:49:11 PM
I thought I saw standing water while he was taxiing to the end of the field, and I wondered about the possibly soft turf.

If thats the case i guess that he simply opened the throttle a bit too quick and when the wheels dug in the griffon pulled it over..
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: BoilerDown on June 13, 2017, 06:03:15 PM
joystick was prolly not calibrated

Probably forgot he wasn't flying a P-38.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: DaveBB on June 13, 2017, 06:26:42 PM
As long as the pilot is alright it's ok.  It was only a Spitfire.  Some goofy version at that.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: oboe on June 13, 2017, 06:30:01 PM
I couldn't duplicate it with AH's Spit XIV.  I put full down trim on the elevator and used WEP on takeoff, but in order to get the tail up fast I had to used full forward stick and full brakes.

I think the either the Spit's acceleration or braking in the game doesn't quite match real World.   Probably just as well for us...
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: pembquist on June 14, 2017, 12:19:42 AM
Yeah, I think there was a thread or post about ground handling and Hitech said something like he started out modeling a real tailwheel and it was pretty impossible to control. Its pretty easy mode to take off and land here in AH land. Only in computer land can you firewall the throttle on a 2000hp engine from a standstill and not go sideways?
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: PR3D4TOR on June 14, 2017, 04:41:29 AM
The Spit is unusually prone to prop strikes and nose-overs. CG is close to the main gear. The more tail-heavy 109 and 190 can hold the plane on the brakes at full throttle without difficulty.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Serenity on June 14, 2017, 11:33:41 AM
I couldn't duplicate it with AH's Spit XIV.  I put full down trim on the elevator and used WEP on takeoff, but in order to get the tail up fast I had to used full forward stick and full brakes.

I think the either the Spit's acceleration or braking in the game doesn't quite match real World.   Probably just as well for us...

Funny you mention this, I've been enjoying another game recently (we all know the one) known for realism to the point of absolute pain... and my buddy who's been learning the Spit had more than one prop strike from giving a little too much power and the tail lifting without any stick pressure.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: Bodhi on June 18, 2017, 01:35:21 PM
Lucky no one in the crowd got hurt from all that prop debris.  Looks to me like he came up too quick with the tail and combined with the soft ground, caught the prop.
Title: Re: Spit XIX banged up in France yesterday.
Post by: MiloMorai on June 18, 2017, 06:09:41 PM
A few years back a vet was giving a talk of his war time experiences. One of the stories he told was of delivery Spits from Khartoum iirc to northern Egypt. A Spit flown by a Polish WCdr took off and the engine was running rough but decided to keep going instead of rtb. When he landed at his destination he found that he had ground off about 6" from the tip of the blades. Yup, a ground strike.