Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Zimme83 on June 12, 2017, 06:50:23 PM
-
How big is the difference between the hurri 2D, Il-2 and Ju-87G in terms of anti tank capabilities?
Which cannon is most effective?
-
Found some interesting Reading on the subject:
http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/tankbusters.htm
It says that armor penetration is:
NS-37_____48 mm / 500 m
BK3,7_____140 mm / 100 m
Vickers S__58mm / 400 m (20 degree angle)
for the Vickers: http://www.wwiiequipment.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=97:vickers-40mm-qsq-gun&catid=44:gunsrockets&Itemid=60
-
How big is the difference between the hurri 2D, Il-2 and Ju-87G in terms of anti tank capabilities?
Which cannon is most effective?
Don't forget the 75mm on the B-25H. It has the capability of one shot killing any GV in the game.
-
Real Life was very different from guns capabilities, I think we had this link up before :
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/04/04/ground-attack-aircraft-myth-of-the-tank-busters/ (http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/04/04/ground-attack-aircraft-myth-of-the-tank-busters/)
The 75mm used HE on the B25 afaik.
They should not be able kill a 1943 MBT with it, the same problems even the Pzkw IV had with its short 75mm faced, even with AP ammo.
-
I Think ive seen it before and i know that they were in reality next to useless against tanks. I should have been a bit more specific i guess... the question is about there capabilities in Aces High.
-
Real Life was very different from guns capabilities, I think we had this link up before :
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/04/04/ground-attack-aircraft-myth-of-the-tank-busters/ (http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/04/04/ground-attack-aircraft-myth-of-the-tank-busters/)
The 75mm used HE on the B25 afaik.
They should not be able kill a 1943 MBT with it, the same problems even the Pzkw IV had with its short 75mm faced, even with AP ammo.
Well in real life tanks fought open hatch. If a 75mm HE explodes on the turret roof or inside the turret, the majority of the crew is dead.
-
Don't forget the Yak 9T.
-
I can never do any damage to tanks using guns only. What's the sweet spot to aim for and attack profile?
-
Don't forget the Yak 9T.
It's underestimated. I've taken out T-34's with it, coming in almost directly above it and putting a round or 2 just behind the turret. :devil
I can never do any damage to tanks using guns only. What's the sweet spot to aim for and attack profile?
Coming in high and from behind, putting rounds into the engine compartment or behind the turret. Coming in low and from the sides will work quite nicely as well, though you have the risk of being gunned down either by the MG's or the main gun. With a T-34, coming in at an angle that gives you their sides as a flat surface.
-
If you manage to lob in a 75 inside the turret, yes, congrats , you have won the ww2 lottery, and probably died seconds after, because of the angle you need to get that one into the hatch opening.
You must also remember if shell explodes without delay on the exterior of a tank, it can not penetrate much armor at all, and normal angle of attack from a 200mph b25h can't be that high if you don't want to plant the bird at the distance you need to have a chance of hitting that tank at all.
Well in real life tanks fought open hatch. If a 75mm HE explodes on the turret roof or inside the turret, the majority of the crew is dead.
-
Live fire of the 75mm
https://youtu.be/cEek5IvGYKg
-
I agree with Save here. The B-25 would be even less usefull against tanks than the tank busters. HE ammo, shallow dive angle and a relatively long firing distance would make tank killing almost impossible.
-
Ive taken T-34s with the Yak 9T but it isnt easy. A vertical dive on the turret is best but hard to recover from so yeah the rear engine is the best shot to take if you can manage a 60% dive angle. The trick is to control your speed and dont get crazy with zoom view.
The IL2 is hands down the best Tank Killer tho there are a few specialists with the Stukka and the Hurri-D "none that I know are still in the game tho". The NS-37's with all those AP rounds will kill any tank tho the Tiger-ll is very difficult. I like the 9T as my "White Flag plane" cause its murder against the vehicles that matter and will pick off the occasional tank. Most of all the P-4 which you can kill with a level side shot.
-
I've killed Panthers with 190F antitank rockets, but since King Tigers presence are scarce, I've never managed to try to kill one.
-
I've killed a few gvs back in the day with the AR234 of doom! --<--O--O-->--
-
If you manage to lob in a 75 inside the turret, yes, congrats , you have won the ww2 lottery, and probably died seconds after, because of the angle you need to get that one into the hatch opening.
You must also remember if shell explodes without delay on the exterior of a tank, it can not penetrate much armor at all, and normal angle of attack from a 200mph b25h can't be that high if you don't want to plant the bird at the distance you need to have a chance of hitting that tank at all.
There is more fragile stuff on the exterior of a tank than you would believe. Optics, engine components, track components, turret ventilation etc. As of the moment, I can't actually cite any WWII stuff, but I know of at least two M-1 Abrams knocked out by strange means during OIF. One was shrapnel that severed a fuel line that leaked onto the hot turbine. Crew couldn't figure out where the fire was coming from, even after using the extinguishers. Tank was abandoned and destroyed. The second was small arms fire that destroyed the fiberglass bore evacuator of the cannon. Couldn't fire the main cannon without massive amounts of toxic gasses flooding the crew compartment.
Now that I think harder about it, I can cite a few WWII examples. They are all Tigers ironically. In Africa, a 57mm bounced down into the drivers compartment afer hitting the turret, killing the driver, crew abandonded the tank. Then the famous example of Tiger 131 getting it's turret jammed from either 57mm or 75mm fire, crew abandonded the tank. A Sherman shooting a Tiger 1 with WP causing the crew to abandon the tank. And an M8 scout car shooting a Tiger 1 with 37mm from directly behind, destroying the Tiger.
-
You can always get lucky.
With one or 2 of a 5 crew killed/incapacitated, you can still fight on, AH does not model crew panic.
Fires can be extinguished if they are not to severe. what scares most crews the most is fire in the crew compartment, and that ammunition blow up.
-
And none of this is modeled in the game so the B-25 is pretty much useless against tanks..
-
There are no crewmen in AH GV's, so that argument is moot. The 75mm on the H isn't as bad as most make it out to be, and I've scored more than a few tank kills with her in the past. Angling is everything with that gun, as well as shot placement. The main problem is most don't have the patience to set up properly for a good gun run. This further complicated by the fact that they want to "hose" the target, IE: take more than one shot. With a very high angle approach, you only take one shot no matter how high above and clean line you have, but also don't take too long. The H will build speed FAST. Once you get a hang of her, you'll find she can do some nifty stuff that will set you up nice and proper.
Also, don't take bombs or if you do, USE THEM first before attempting gun runs. :)
-
The hurri 2d can destroy any tank in Aces High. I personally find the T34 a challenge compared to other gv's when i'm flying one.
-
I personally find the T34 a challenge compared to other gv's when i'm flying one.
Yeah it needs way to much runway (and a cliff) and turns like a pig.
-
Yeah it needs way to much runway (and a cliff) and turns like a pig.
:lol
-
And none of this is modeled in the game so the B-25 is pretty much useless against tanks..
In real life but not in game. In game the B-25H is a very effective tank killer.