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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: cav58d on June 19, 2017, 06:06:47 PM
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How exactly does ENY work? Is it based off of total players, or players "in flight"? Does "in flight" include those in GV's?
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You have it explained here
http://www.hitechcreations.com/features/perk-points
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You have it explained here
http://www.hitechcreations.com/features/perk-points
No, you don 't.
ENY limiter works basically like this: Your sides percentage of total players is compared to smallest country's percentage of total players in the arena. Once your you cross a certain threshold (don't have the exact value at hand) ENY limiter kicks in. There is also a minimum total arena population required before ENY limiter is enabled at all.
"In flight" would be better called "in sortie", as it coveres all kinds of sorties. However, it has no impact on the ENY, which is always about number of players in the arena.
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Are you positive in flight covers vehicles and manned guns? I've had every other person say something different.
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Are you positive in flight covers vehicles and manned guns?
Yes.
Edit:
Yes, for GV. Oddly enough, manned guns don't show 'inflight' anymore in AH3... :headscratch:
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Ok, this time for real: GV and guns are 'inflight' too.
There can be a delay in showing the correct 'inflight number', which lead me to believe that there's a bug now with the manned guns. But after more testing it shows that manned guns are still shown as 'in flight', too.
Sorry for the confusion :uhoh
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lusche is correct.. eny counts all players logged in to the game not just the people in flight/in sortie :joystick:
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Doesn't it seem like a better idea to have it based off of "in-flight/in-sortie", or to boot people off the server after a period of inactivity so we aren't penalized by people AFK in the tower for hours or days?
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Doesn't it seem like a better idea to have it based off of "in-flight/in-sortie",
Then you would have groups of players hanging in the tower to drop ENY and then launch in mass with their uber late war monsters . ENY would then go through the roof locking out those planes again.
or to boot people off the server after a period of inactivity so we aren't penalized by people AFK in the tower for hours or days?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
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I agree with Lyme. Players that are inactive in the arena for more than 10 minutes should be discoed.
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...... or when you are going to log, just change over to the high number side and leave it up.
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I agree with Lyme. Players that are inactive in the arena for more than 10 minutes should be discoed.
I was thinking more like 60 minutes.
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I was thinking more like 60 minutes.
How do you stop folks from just upping a gv and hiding or upping a plane setting autopilot and leaving?
Timing with no input might affect bombers that are on a long climb out.
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shuffler, maybe have a box that comes up that have to click every thirty minutes to show you are not asleep at the wheel.
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So buff drivers on a long climbout and AFK may get discod too.
I'm no buff driver, but you see my point.
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What you all are not taking into consideration. The way the game works now you can only update the skins pack is to be logged onto the game. For some while updating the skins the game does not run stable as it takes up bandwidth as they are downloading.
So the solution is to log into the game and sit in the tower, while you go do something else.
It is unreasonable to expect these people to have to download the entire skin pack each time updates are made.
This problem could be resolved if HTC had a way to do this while not logged into the game but they don’t.
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How do you stop folks from just upping a gv and hiding or upping a plane setting autopilot and leaving?
Timing with no input might affect bombers that are on a long climb out.
I don't even know if this is possible, but I propose disco after sixty minutes of inactivity whether you are in tower or in sortie. In sortie doesn't constitute activity if within the preceding 60 minutes you didn't make a single control movement, eye movement, gun movement, throttle movement or pull up the stinking clipboard.
I fly bombers and often go AFK for long periods on climb out. Beyond 60 minutes usually results in having been shot down while AFK, or in a position so far off that map that my bombers are useless. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone in this game to demonstrate activity within 60 minutes to remain on the server.
And I'll address this before someone brings it up as a counter arguement. "What about the guys that will up GV's and rig their contollers so the .50 cal spins in circles"? I don't have a solution to that, but does any game?
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What you all are not taking into consideration. The way the game works now you can only update the skins pack is to be logged onto the game. For some while updating the skins the game does not run stable as it takes up bandwidth as they are downloading.
So the solution is to log into the game and sit in the tower, while you go do something else.
It is unreasonable to expect these people to have to download the entire skin pack each time updates are made.
This problem could be resolved if HTC had a way to do this while not logged into the game but they don’t.
True, but the overwhelming majority of tower sitters are not there exclusively for skin downloads and when compete would otherwise log.
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True, but the overwhelming majority of tower sitters are not there exclusively for skin downloads and when compete would otherwise log.
I would truly love to see your proof of that sir.
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How do you stop folks from just upping a gv and hiding or upping a plane setting autopilot and leaving?
Timing with no input might affect bombers that are on a long climb out.
If they're in the arena you can kill them. Not a problem. AFKr's are tasty.
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I would truly love to see your proof of that sir.
Okay if we are going to do lame responses like that, I sir would like to see or proof! :neener:
The only proof I can offer is myself and multiple friends go AFK go long periods without logging, and although skin download might be a benefit, it is not the reason for going AFK.
If people were really only staying logged in while AFK for skin download you wouldn't see the same people doing it multiple times a month. If it were only for skins as you argued, they wouldn't continue the behavior after all the skins downloaded, right?
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I tend to agree here. A lot of times what appears to be happening is players leaving their accounts logged in overnight to farm perk points in hopes their country wins the war. Of course...it's mostly Bish since we win the most...but that is another subject...
I agree with the proposal but 60 minutes might be a little fast. Maybe make it 120 minutes or basically what most bombers will take for fuel on a long run. Beyond that people are likely not going to be temporarily AFK while in flight.
As for the skins downloads unless you've just reinstalled the game we don't get a lot of skins downloads now. Someone as well had at some point created a ZIP file available for download in a single shot of the bulk of the skins (not sure if that is still available) that could be easily downloaded and installed into the directory reducing the length of time needed to download skins. Either way - I can't see that as a primary ongoing reason to be AFK for hours on end.
Then you have guys like Cybro who will drive a plane into a tree cluster off field as he did last night to make a base flash after being captured and try to make people crazy while he goes AFK. That is one messed up dude...but we know how to fix him up fairly quickly :D
Anyways...kill off the AFK'ers and ENY will start to get better to a degree or at least help.
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I believe it will make little or no difference. All sides have folks AFK.
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Maybe make it 120 minutes or basically what most bombers will take for fuel on a long run. Beyond that people are likely not going to be temporarily AFK while in flight.
I find this fascinating, I dont bomb but I never realized that at the extreme you could walk away from the game for two hours and come back to bomb something. How many new players will want to do that? Nugetx get in here, lol
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Okay if we are going to do lame responses like that, I sir would like to see or proof! :neener:
The only proof I can offer is myself and multiple friends go AFK go long periods without logging, and although skin download might be a benefit, it is not the reason for going AFK.
If people were really only staying logged in while AFK for skin download you wouldn't see the same people doing it multiple times a month. If it were only for skins as you argued, they wouldn't continue the behavior after all the skins downloaded, right?
My point sir, was you are guessing and really don't know why they are logged in.
Also I did not offer an argument, mine was a simple statement.
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It is unreasonable to expect these people to have to download the entire skin pack each time updates are made.
This problem could be resolved if HTC had a way to do this while not logged into the game but they don’t.
last time i checked... you can download the skins (1 at a time) while annoying its an alternative.. and you can un check the "auto download skins" box( i think it is off by default) but while that may account for 1-2 people.. it does not account for the multiple names that you see many times a week also.. skins are generally on the small side so bandwidth does not really suffer and skin packs for not really released that frequently...so next
there is few inactivity solutions that work as many are easily by passed and the rest are a pain
however one that would work.. decently is "in flight" every 45 minutes you get a pop up confirmation box if no activity(10 minutes after you dc if no response 55min total) that would deter people just spawning up a vehicle/aircraft and 45 minutes would be long enough for most buff pilots on a climb out(800 fpm x45)
and 30 minutes for people in tower with no input...you have to have 2 different systems one global wont work to well
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I find this fascinating, I dont bomb but I never realized that at the extreme you could walk away from the game for two hours and come back to bomb something. How many new players will want to do that? Nugetx get in here, lol
Well sounds like you've never been on a cross map 2 hour+ B29 run then with full fuel. There are a few of us diehard bomber pilots that actually do that and we do go AFK for period during those long climb outs. This is why I said 2 hours. It's the guys that sit in the tower or GV / Manned gun, etc overnight or on a regular basis trying to collect perk points that we're trying to avoid and causing the ENY to be out of whack.
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So this has turned into another failed I hate ENY thread. Please let it die.
If I want to sit logged in, it's my dang $15. If you don't want to fly anything but late war planes, go buy them and fly DCS. HiTech and Skuzzy have found the best all around solution for uneven sides, and people need to quit beating a dead horse and thinking that, like little children think, if you complain enough, they will bow to your desires.
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So this has turned into another failed I hate ENY thread. Please let it die.
If I want to sit logged in, it's my dang $15. If you don't want to fly anything but late war planes, go buy them and fly DCS. HiTech and Skuzzy have found the best all around solution for uneven sides, and people need to quit beating a dead horse and thinking that, like little children think, if you complain enough, they will bow to your desires.
Sorry sir - but I disagree. What we are talking about is obviously an issue that many have expressed concern with and trying to come up with creative thoughts / suggestions of how to improve and make the game better for everyone. if you think that they've found the "best" solution then there would never be another update for the game and it would become stale over time. And yes - you pay your $15 a month just like I do - so we all have a vested interest here.
Cheers,
Elec1
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last time i checked... you can download the skins (1 at a time) while annoying its an alternative..
You can download all the skins, individually or all of them at once here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/downloads/downloads-skins.
Just throwing that out there since some didn't seem to know it was available. :salute
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Sorry sir - but I disagree. What we are talking about is obviously an issue that many have expressed concern with and trying to come up with creative thoughts / suggestions of how to improve and make the game better for everyone. if you think that they've found the "best" solution then there would never be another update for the game and it would become stale over time. And yes - you pay your $15 a month just like I do - so we all have a vested interest here.
Cheers,
Elec1
Well said Sir <S>
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Sorry sir - but I disagree. What we are talking about is obviously an issue that many have expressed concern with and trying to come up with creative thoughts / suggestions of how to improve and make the game better for everyone. if you think that they've found the "best" solution then there would never be another update for the game and it would become stale over time. And yes - you pay your $15 a month just like I do - so we all have a vested interest here.
Cheers,
Elec1
Name one creative thought in this thread please. Because ideas posted has been posted many times in the last 10 years.
HiTech
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Name one creative thought in this thread please. Because ideas posted has been posted many times in the last 10 years.
HiTech
So - is that the definitive answer for ENY is fine as it is and there will never be an improvement? Out of curiosity has any of these "suggestions" ever been implemented / tried/ tested?
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Well sounds like you've never been on a cross map 2 hour+ B29 run then with full fuel. There are a few of us diehard bomber pilots that actually do that and we do go AFK for period during those long climb outs. This is why I said 2 hours. It's the guys that sit in the tower or GV / Manned gun, etc overnight or on a regular basis trying to collect perk points that we're trying to avoid and causing the ENY to be out of whack.
When you get down to it, the folks just spawning and sitting there are not much different that hardcore buff pilots.
Long time doing nothing to help your side.
Hmmmmmm maybe we should just not worry about those that sit and do nothing for a long time.
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Leave the Buff pilots alone (while in the air, disconnect the tower sitters after 15 minutes, done, next?
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So - is that the definitive answer for ENY is fine as it is and there will never be an improvement? Out of curiosity has any of these "suggestions" ever been implemented / tried/ tested?
That would be an absolute YES to ENY is fine, and If Hitech says so, it's so.
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So - is that the definitive answer for ENY is fine as it is and there will never be an improvement? Out of curiosity has any of these "suggestions" ever been implemented / tried/ tested?
The ones in this thread, no they have not and will not be tried.
Other suggestion in the past were tried and implemented.
BTW the entire ENY is a player suggestion.
HiTech
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The ones in this thread, no they have not and will not be tried.
Other suggestion in the past were tried and implemented.
BTW the entire ENY is a player suggestion.
HiTech
I'm all good. Just being the "Devils Advocate". :devil
I'm thinking of installing a boot polisher on my foot pedals. Can get my boots up to a bright shine while fighting these BBS Warriors.
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The ones in this thread, no they have not and will not be tried.
And...there we have the official word.
It would be nice however to know "why" (other than because I said so) rather than just a simple no will not be tried. If there is good reason / justification I'm happy to accept that but a simple no and move on leaves one to wonder.
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And...there we have the official word.
It would be nice however to know "why" (other than because I said so) rather than just a simple no will not be tried. If there is good reason / justification I'm happy to accept that but a simple no and move on leaves one to wonder.
Search it's been answered at least 2 times that I remember.
HiTech
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It really is a numbers game... hopefully steam will pick them up...I have noticed an increase in my time zone... and it was very needed and welcomed for this time slot....Personally the only thing about ENY that bothers me is that it causes the fighting (Aerial) to diminish some days... This has drawn me to GV's and it is ok but not my fun really.... But that is the thing...It is my fun only....
Collectively sure there may be a lot of guys who think my way....but there are plenty of others that don't also...
I see WT bandied about often...quite a difference...there you play in a small box and it is quite rigid...basic FM as a coverall..once the fighting is done it done....here (AH) is almost a living breathing entity... constant ebb and flow over a large space and time in comparison IMO the only thing comparable is the fact they both have player controlled planes and vehicles...Oh and you can shoot people legally.
Unfortunately till then I feel the equation used to calculate ENY requirements needs to be tweaked for under a certain number I feel..it seems to have a dynamic scale associated with it (between countries) but the percentages on numbers (overall) needs a tweak it seems to be quite set at present....I just have no idea if this is possible...should be in my mind as I can do it in an excel sheet but this is not a live running system ...I do not know computer lingo so as you can tell by my thinking and use of an excel sheet to think it can be done easily hahahaha
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And...there we have the official word.
It would be nice however to know "why" (other than because I said so) rather than just a simple no will not be tried. If there is good reason / justification I'm happy to accept that but a simple no and move on leaves one to wonder.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
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Name one creative thought in this thread please. Because ideas posted has been posted many times in the last 10 years.
HiTech
Okay, this is a two-parter, first is a legitimate question and second is dependent on the mechanic of the first.
There is an in-game function for going AFK that turns a players name red on a vox channel by checking an afk box. HOWEVER, is there currently a function that checks the inactivity status of a player?
If there were a system in place to auto set AFK status based on a delay from the last detected command input from the user (keystroke, axis variable change &etc.), say after 30 mins just for an example, one could build another if/then protocal for ignoring the red afk players in the count of players that are contributing to high ENY.
Why? Sometimes players get destracted by real life or have to walk away from their computers for a while and either forget about the game running or can't get back to end the application. Most people do not remember or do not bother to click the AFK box so a check within the game auto sets afk. These honost players would then not be included within an ENY check that would also be set on a reasonable timer. Any time the server recieves an input from the client their AFK status would be turned off.
But, BUT… people could set up a macro or just push a button ever so often on their afk/shade account to set their status as active so they are counted towards ENY. Yes… Yes that will happen, however the players who are not going afk in towers or on long flights for such reasons would at least then not contribute to "the problem."
Not sure how original an idea this is but did want to throw it out there.
I have friends on Knits/Rooks and do not mind *gasp* side switching to play with them or balance ENY. That and there are a lot of awesome birds to fly!
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I find it amusing that even after Hitech says what he said, it still continues. Amazing....
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I find it amusing that even after Hitech says what he said, it still continues. Amazing....
I've read through the response from HiTech through the old thread. The way I read it is essentially what has been mentioned here has been discussed previously and that the underlying response is essentially someone will always find a way around the system. Therefore what is in place today is "working" so to speak and no other changes will be made.
Personally, that is disheartening...but I understand if you are going to put the time and effort into making a significant change it should make sense and produce the desired results.
Cheers,
Elec1
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Therefore what is in place today is "working" so to speak and no other changes will be made.
I never said anything of the sort. I simply said of the changes suggested here will not happen.
HiTech
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I never said anything of the sort. I simply said of the changes suggested here will not happen.
HiTech
It's your living room and I know you don't have to answer this, but I'm going to ask. In your professional opinion, are tower sitters or those that go AFK for hours on end detrimental to gameplay and is it something that you may address in the future or is it not really an issue with the current state or AH? Thanks.
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It's your living room and I know you don't have to answer this, but I'm going to ask. In your professional opinion, are tower sitters or those that go AFK for hours on end detrimental to gameplay and is it something that you may address in the future or is it not really an issue with the current state or AH? Thanks.
If you read this.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
Are you still asking the question? Or simply do not wish to take no for an answer.
The answer is it is not detrimental, and no I will not address a non issue.
HiTech
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If you read this.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,362537.msg4823819.html#msg4823819
Are you still asking the question? Or simply do not wish to take no for an answer.
The answer is it is not detrimental, and no I will not address a non issue.
HiTech
I accept your answer, and I don't need an explanation as to why you feel that way. Your living room. Was just curious if it was an issue and the right "creative" idea just wasn't presented yet. Thank you.