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Title: Dark Clouds
Post by: ONTOS on June 24, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
The storm clouds yesterday (June 23), sent my frame rate to 5. If this is to continue, flying is not going to be fun anymore. I spent over five hundred dollars to update just to be able to play AH III and that with almost all settings cut off. The scenery is beautiful, but if you can't fly, what good is it.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: cav58d on June 24, 2017, 11:45:54 AM
I7 6700
16gb RAM
1060 3gb

Normally 60, clouds had me 40's but playable.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Schwalbee on June 24, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
The storm clouds yesterday (June 23), sent my frame rate to 5. If this is to continue, flying is not going to be fun anymore. I spent over five hundred dollars to update just to be able to play AH III and that with almost all settings cut off. The scenery is beautiful, but if you can't fly, what good is it.
My frame rate was not so bad during that fight last night,even in the clouds it was not dipping below 55 from the 70 I have it locked to.However many people were complaining it was terrible (usually after they were shot down ) even though I have a beast of a computer I still turn off all those post lighting effects as a personal preference and disable reflections so as to never dip below 70 no matter what is on screen.Bump mapping is the biggest killer in my opinion so I turn that slider to none.


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Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Drano on June 24, 2017, 12:42:23 PM
I7 6700
16gb RAM
1060 3gb

Normally 60, clouds had me 40's but playable.
I have the same setup with a 6gb card overclocked a bit. I'm not having the bad FR in clouds but am still getting the little random 1 sec freezes.

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Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 24, 2017, 01:06:51 PM
I have an initial drop of frame rates when the clouds first start to draw in but then frame rates stabilize at 60fps for me in the clouds.  I have suggested to some that are having problems to disable "bump mapping" in the graphic settings.  That has seem to lessen the frame rate loss for some.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: thndregg on June 24, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
Last night and late this morning were my first forays into this cloud system of HTC's with my not-so-fast PC. (I'll get a hold of something better when I'm not financially enslaved to the dentist office  :D ) Pretty, but I had to slide my graphics down a fair bit to attempt to minimize the "lurching" along I seemed to observe, and get my frames back up into a manageable range. Also observed a whole slew of "Texture Creation Error"(s) in the text buffer, even while sitting in the tower after my sortie.

Time of this report: 6/24/2017, 06:18:14
             Machine name: DESKTOP-6NQBHBN
               Machine Id: {40981C3C-A98C-4F52-8D3F-D28EBFA5B671}
         Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 14393) (14393.rs1_release.170602-2252)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
             System Model: System Product Name
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/26/09 17:13:58 Ver: 08.00.15
                Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
                   Memory: 7168MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 7168MB RAM
                Page File: 2385MB used, 6798MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
       System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Not Available
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.14393.0000 64bit Unicode
Display Devices
---------------
          Card name: AMD Radeon HD 6770
       Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
          Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x68B8)
           DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
        Device Type: Full Device
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS_25431002&REV_00
      Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]
Device Problem Code: No Problem
Driver Problem Code: Unknown
     Display Memory: 4339 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 1011 MB
      Shared Memory: 3328 MB
       Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: ccvi on June 24, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
It's not "the clouds" causing bad frame rates. It's a particular set of clouds that does (for me, 60 (capped) down to 6). Pretty low ceiling, quite dark. Probably some embedded CBs. Strong updrifts, and I think I saw some lightning.

About 24 hours ago that particular cloud was south of a58 near the knight aaa-factory.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Schwalbee on June 24, 2017, 06:22:10 PM
Everyone disable bump mapping and it minimizes fps lose.


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Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: pembquist on June 24, 2017, 06:36:12 PM
Maybe just add Nexrad to the game? I pretty sure it was the thunder bumpers that caused the slide show.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: save on June 24, 2017, 09:05:15 PM
I have killed the shadows,reflections, all clutter, post lighting, and bump map to 1rst slider instance.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Schwalbee on June 25, 2017, 02:13:43 AM
I have killed the shadows,reflections, all clutter, post lighting, and bump map to 1rst slider instance.
Put bump mapping slider to none, it's s killer even on my system at low alt<S>

Ryzen 1600 @3.8Ghz and a 290x gpu


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Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Skuzzy on June 25, 2017, 06:40:15 AM
Last night and late this morning were my first forays into this cloud system of HTC's with my not-so-fast PC. (I'll get a hold of something better when I'm not financially enslaved to the dentist office  :D ) Pretty, but I had to slide my graphics down a fair bit to attempt to minimize the "lurching" along I seemed to observe, and get my frames back up into a manageable range. Also observed a whole slew of "Texture Creation Error"(s) in the text buffer, even while sitting in the tower after my sortie.

Time of this report: 6/24/2017, 06:18:14
             Machine name: DESKTOP-6NQBHBN
               Machine Id: {40981C3C-A98C-4F52-8D3F-D28EBFA5B671}
         Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 14393) (14393.rs1_release.170602-2252)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
             System Model: System Product Name
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 06/26/09 17:13:58 Ver: 08.00.15
                Processor: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor (4 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
                   Memory: 7168MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 7168MB RAM
                Page File: 2385MB used, 6798MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
       System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Not Available
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.14393.0000 64bit Unicode
Display Devices
---------------
          Card name: AMD Radeon HD 6770
       Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
          Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0x68B8)
           DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
        Device Type: Full Device
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68B8&SUBSYS_25431002&REV_00
      Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER]
Device Problem Code: No Problem
Driver Problem Code: Unknown
     Display Memory: 4339 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 1011 MB
      Shared Memory: 3328 MB
       Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)


That video card is going to have texture resource issues.  1GB video cards can run out of memory if you set the video graphic options higher.  Try disabling shadows to gain back a lot of video memory.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: thndregg on June 25, 2017, 06:45:08 AM
That video card is going to have texture resource issues.  1GB video cards can run out of memory if you set the video graphic options higher.  Try disabling shadows to gain back a lot of video memory.

Yeah...  I wondered about that. My brother (Flayed1) originally built me a beefy machine for its time for AH2 with this card, and I ran it for a great many years. Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: popeye on June 25, 2017, 07:05:44 AM
The dark gray "overcast" clouds reduce my frame rate from 180ish to 25ish.  The long narrow cloud "banks" don't have such a drastic effect.

Can't seem to attach DxDiag.

Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: thndregg on June 25, 2017, 07:07:41 AM
The dark gray "overcast" clouds reduce my frame rate from 180ish to 25ish.  The long narrow cloud "banks" don't have such a drastic effect.

Can't seem to attach DxDiag.

I saved it as a .txt file, then just copied/pasted the relevant info here.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: asterix on June 25, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
Don`t know much about computers but maybe reducing max texture size on AH start page would help with virtual clouds. Also changing settings from quality towards performance on video card`s own control panel.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: TWCAxew on June 27, 2017, 01:50:50 PM
I have the same setup with a 6gb card overclocked a bit. I'm not having the bad FR in clouds but am still getting the little random 1 sec freezes.

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Try switching to DX9 instead of DX11. That fixed the micro stutters for me
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Electroman on June 27, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
There are many more micro stutters now in DX9 since HT has implemented the new cloud system. Also a drop in frame rates quite significantly in some areas...this still needs work which I am sure is ongoing.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Shuffler on June 27, 2017, 03:03:37 PM
In DX9 I had micro stutters after a update and it was fixed by the next. The clouds have not affected me at all.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: popeye on June 28, 2017, 08:19:50 AM
I see a about a half-to-one-second lag switching views when first encountering the new clouds, then view switching goes back to "instantaneous".  Maybe the GPU needs to load the cloud shape/texture -- or something.  DX9.
Title: Re: Dark Clouds
Post by: Skuzzy on June 28, 2017, 09:02:12 AM
The information provided would have more meaning if the video card was also posted with it.

Might consider adding some system information to your signature.  Just a thought.

The reason I bring it up is I have a really low end video card in my work computer (AMD/ATI 4870) and I am not seeing the stutters in DX9 associated with any clouds, but then again, I have most of the advanced graphics disabled.