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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: SIK1 on June 29, 2017, 04:53:16 PM
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As the title says, I'm looking to build a new machine that will run VR (Rift), and Win 7 Ultimate for as long as possible. Here is what I'm looking at:
CPU Intel - Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler Noctua - NH-L9i 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard Asus - MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Storage Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K4000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card
Case NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply SeaSonic - 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply
Thanks for any help.
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Sik
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My 2700K is faster stock than that 6600 and it' a quad core aswell but of the older form factor! Other wise it looks pretty good there Sik! Hmmm someone's making too much money..... :devil :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I would add a SSD drive with the operating system on, 240 gig is enough for programs / games you use often.
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I would be a bit uncomfortable with a 450W power supply. Might want to consider bumping it up a notch.
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I would be a bit uncomfortable with a 450W power supply. Might want to consider bumping it up a notch.
more than a notch id say. :)
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Alright I upped the power supply to this one; SeaSonic - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power.
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Sik
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That should do it.
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That should do it.
I concur. Looks like a rig I'd like to own.
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Alright I upped the power supply to this one; SeaSonic - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power.
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Sik
What kind of price tag you looking at for that thing Sik? Getting close to the time for an upgrade here too.
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What kind of price tag you looking at for that thing Sik? Getting close to the time for an upgrade here too.
Joe, If I were to buy the parts right now, according to pcpartpicker, it's a $1,300, machine. :uhoh The video card being almost half of the total price. :confused:
The price difference between the 1070, and 1080, isn't that much, and because I want to do VR I figured I might as well go with the 1080.
I think if I can be just a little patient I can knock close to a grand off of that $1,300, by buying the parts when they have rebates and price reductions.
The hard part for me is being patient. :x
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Sik
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Also you have to balance that with the fact that the longer you wait to get the good discounts, the further behind the curve that hardware is going to be. It is generally worth it, IMO, to get video cards when you want them, when you've done all the estimations in your head about price per quality and what kind of performance you want from them.
Other things I can and will look for better times to buy, but at a certain point you have to pull the trigger on the order.
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SIK1, you have a point in waiting while Krusty is also right in saying that a long wait will give you outdated hardware.
Anyhow, now that you know somewhat of a maximum price, my humble advice is to see what you'd get for that amount of money at the date you get a good bargain for your current plan. If the difference in performance is about 20% or more, comparing the then current hardware versus the current setup, pay the higher price. If there's no big improvements, get the cheaper one.
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I'm not really waiting. I'm buying when I see a deal. A good example is the processor, the other day the price dropped below $200, so I have one on the way. Same with the MoBo. I know that the price on things like the vidcard isn't going to change much until the technology advances, so I look for things like free shipping, etc. on items like that. Also the vidcard and memory are usually the last things I buy, because they are usually the first things I upgrade.
Thank you all for the help. :cheers:
I'll let you know what the final machine costs, and how well it works in the VR environment.
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Sik
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If I may ask, why stick with Windows7? How long will VR and Win7 still be compatible? I upgraded to Win10 and have had no issues,then again all I do is Aces High and DCS. Just curious as to your thinking on that. Oh, and I upgraded for VR. Its still got some ways to go, as far as play ability for some guys. Like I have told others though, if you can and dont mind putting up with some stuff you should! Its been worth it for me(took about 2 months to get comfortable with it) and cant see going back :rock
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There are many people who do not care for how invasive Windows 10 is and have chosen to avoid it. There are those who have spent a lot of time customizing their OS and to have to waste time fixing it after every Windows 10 update is frustrating.
Windows 7 also comes with utilities Windows 10 does not include. Windows 7 is easier to personalize. Then there is the forced updates, giving you no choice but to accept something which may break what you do with your computer. On Windows 7, you can wait and see if that update is going to wreak havoc with what you do.
The bottom line is everyone who has stuck with Windows 7 have valid reasons to do so.
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Just so you know, Windows 10 is still available for free for people using assistive technologies: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade)
We are not restricting the upgrade offer to specific assistive technologies. If you use assistive technology on Windows, you are eligible for the upgrade offer.
Do eyeglasses count? According to the above they do. Does using Cortana count? Apparently yes, if you use speech to control a keyboard- and mouse operated system. That looks like they want people to get 10 no matter what.
Staying away from 10 is still a viable option. There's still about three years for Microsoft to fix 10 to be personal controlled by the user.
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:aok Makes sense. I just use my PC for AH and DCS, do agree though that W10 can be a pain. Remember updates with 7 too though. Not always good thing. But I guess those have been figured out and since no updates anymore it would be more conducive to harmony :cheers: Curiosity bone scratched :x
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:aok Makes sense. I just use my PC for AH and DCS, do agree though that W10 can be a pain. Remember updates with 7 too though. Not always good thing. But I guess those have been figured out and since no updates anymore it would be more conducive to harmony :cheers: Curiosity bone scratched :x
Windows 7, still puts out updates, mainly critical updates, which will end up messing up your windows 7 install, if you don't pay close attention to what is being installed/updated
Another thing to consider:
For any of you that use 2 or more different operating systems and use Duel Boot or Multiple Boot setups... I seriously recommend that you do not add Windows 10 (Home, Pro, Enterprise) to your Multiple Boot setup....
If you do, Windows 10 will automatically take over and will automatically add all the telemetry processes /updates to all of your other operating systems ie: Windows 7 Ult., Windows 8/8.1 Pro/ etc....
Only way I have been able to work around it is using the 5 hot swap HDD/SSD bays(trays) on my Thermaltake Level 10 GT case.... With win7ult, win8.1pro, win10entLTSB loaded up in top 3 trays... Tray 4 is data storage drive for windows 7 and 8.1.... and tray 5 is data storage drive for win 10
This way I can keep win 10 from coming into contact with win 7 or win 8
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The bottom line is everyone who has stuck with Windows 7 have valid reasons to do so.
True, true.
I used to say the same thing about the CP/M guys...
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True, true.
I used to say the same thing about the CP/M guys...
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Well duh. CP/M was a better operating system than DOS ever was. :)
By the way. Microsoft has released Windows updates to all its operating systems to add Windows 10 telemetry gathering. On Windows 7 it is pretty easy to spot. Takes away about 15% of the operating system performance after it is installed.
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Well duh. CP/M was a better operating system than DOS ever was. :)
By the way. Microsoft has released Windows updates to all its operating systems to add Windows 10 telemetry gathering. On Windows 7 it is pretty easy to spot. Takes away about 15% of the operating system performance after it is installed.
Skuzzy, how does this "knows just enough to get in trouble" guy spot the W7 telemetry gathering. I'd like that 15% returned. Thanks!
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Skuzzy, how does this "knows just enough to get in trouble" guy spot the W7 telemetry gathering. I'd like that 15% returned. Thanks!
It is included in the list of updates which you should not have installed, along with instructions on removing them.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71591.msg4998528.html#msg4998528
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Ok, Thanks Skuzzy. I have gone through that list and thought this might be something new. :salute
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Much of the Telemetry stuff comes bundled with the Rollup update packs offered via Windows Update. The security-only updates do not contain this BS but they are not on Windows update + they are not cumulative
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The one telemetry update (KB3021917 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3021917)), for Windows 7, was offered stand alone and was included in the security updates and was described as a "performance update".
If one did not bother to read the fine print, then you might have missed it was an update to install telemetry gathering.
It is absolutely included in the roll-up packages. If you do those roll-up installations, you you got the telemetry update with no way to remove it.
I have been manually installing updates, to my Windows 7 systems, to avoid all that mess.
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There are many people who do not care for how invasive Windows 10 is and have chosen to avoid it. There are those who have spent a lot of time customizing their OS and to have to waste time fixing it after every Windows 10 update is frustrating.
Windows 7 also comes with utilities Windows 10 does not include. Windows 7 is easier to personalize. Then there is the forced updates, giving you no choice but to accept something which may break what you do with your computer. On Windows 7, you can wait and see if that update is going to wreak havoc with what you do.
The bottom line is everyone who has stuck with Windows 7 have valid reasons to do so.
I'm with Skuz, as a gaming OS, Win7 is pretty nice and easy to use.
I personally use Windows 10 and I'm quite happy with it. That said, I've nerfed the heck out of it to neuter it from a privacy perspective. For me, it's just a matter of taste - I'm a computer wiz so nerfing and customizing the OS to my liking is always easy. And I do like some of the Win10 features with it's 'app' approach to the OS.
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Just so you all know: I still haven't got any of those dreaded updates listed in the post Skuzzy mentioned. I've been using this simple trick to avoid them: In Windows Update, uncheck "Give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates".
Check every now and then that it hasn't been reactivated.
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Joe, If I were to buy the parts right now, according to pcpartpicker, it's a $1,300, machine. :uhoh The video card being almost half of the total price. :confused:
The price difference between the 1070, and 1080, isn't that much, and because I want to do VR I figured I might as well go with the 1080.
I think if I can be just a little patient I can knock close to a grand off of that $1,300, by buying the parts when they have rebates and price reductions.
The hard part for me is being patient. :x
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Sik
LOL, I didn't mean I could knock a grand off of the $1,300 I meant I could bring it in closer to a grand. Of course that plan went out the window. I will say this, the video card cost almost as much as everything else.
This is what I ended up buying:
CPU i5-6600K $173.91 Right place right time.
MoBo Asus Z170 Pro Gaming/Aura $79.99 I was looking at a Asus Z170-E but this one came along, has better on-board audio and was $25 cheaper
HDD Hitachi Ultrastar A7K3000 2TB $67.50 Suppose to be a reliable HDD
PS Seasonic SSR-650FX $79.99 Focus 80+ Gold Fully Modular
RAM Team T-Force Vulcan 16GB $97.99 Gets good reviews, was under $100
Cooler Corsair H100i v2 $84.99 Figured I'd give water cooling a shot
Case HZXT S340 (Black/Blue) $66.99 Good looking, well made case
Vid Card EVGA 08G-P4-6288-KR $619.99 GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming Hybrid
For a total before taxes of $1,271.35
So I did managed to keep it under $1,300, but not really when you consider I paid $89.76 in taxes. I did manage to spend only $1.99 for shipping.
Having a budget, and then trying to save money as I went along didn't work very well as every time I saved a couple of bucks on one thing I started looking at a more expensive option on something else.
So you think this will run AH in VR? :banana:
I'll post a couple of pics when I get it all together, and running.
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Sik
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Looks good to me, and the price is about what I figured a good setup would cost. Cant wait to hear what you think of it when you get it running!
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Looks very nice, you've obviously done your homework!
As for water cooling, it won't be more silent or more efficient than a good air cooler. Noctua nh-d15 is in the same price range and it beats the Corsair as well as many other high end liquid coolers. No fear for leaks or blockages.
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Thanks, I'll let you know how it performs.
I went with the water cooling for a few reasons. One of course is aesthetics, I like the looks of it. I'm also hoping to lessen the amount of dust inside the computer. Apparently I live in a very dusty area. Even with intake filters that I clean every week I still have to clean the dust out of the inside of my current computer every two to three months, and that is a pia. I also like, in theory at least, that the temps should be more consistent on the processor through it's daily cycles. We'll see how effective it is, and how reliable. I built my old machine for about the same amount back in 2008, and have never had any problems with it. I can only hope that this new machine works as well.
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Sik
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Uhmmm,....water cooling the CPU and/or GPU is not going to allow you to seal the box. There are still a lot of motherboard components needing to dissipate heat.
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One hint for preventing dust to gather inside your case: Lift it! Even 3" above floor level can make a huge difference. A stool, a plant pot trolley, a beer case... If it has a mesh top, even better especially if your psu air intake is from the bottom.
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Yeah I know I can't seal the box. I'm thinking more along the lines of lower fan speeds means less air being pulled through the box. I'll still have to clean the dust out from inside the computer, hopefully just not as often. It is off the ground right now, and I'm looking at raising it up even more.
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Sik
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Sik, as soon as you can get your PC up and running, run the SMART software on that Hitachi HD to make sure you didn't get ripped off....there's been reports of some sellers selling them as new when they are actually refurbished....running the software will show you how many hours of use is on it..
Also, the date listed for manufactured will be a good tell tell sign, if it is over 2 years ago
Hope this helps
TC
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---I'm thinking more along the lines of lower fan speeds means less air being pulled through the box. I'll still have to clean the dust out from inside the computer, hopefully just not as often. It is off the ground right now, and I'm looking at raising it up even more.
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Sik
You're partially right there. But only partially. The lower fan speed is most often connected to larger fans which means that the airflow doesn't reduce which is essential for sufficient cooling. With large fans you get the same amount of air moved with less RPM which means less bearing noise and less noise from the blades cutting through air. Yes, sliced air can whine very annoyingly! Slow fans also cause less vibrations which might cause resonance in the case, thus further making for a more silent computer. So slow motion fans aren't for less air pulled through, they're for less noise.
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Sik, as soon as you can get your PC up and running, run the SMART software on that Hitachi HD to make sure you didn't get ripped off....there's been reports of some sellers selling them as new when they are actually refurbished....running the software will show you how many hours of use is on it..
Also, the date listed for manufactured will be a good tell tell sign, if it is over 2 years ago
Hope this helps
TC
I heard about that TC, and I will be checking it out.
Bought it through Amazon and it was sold as new so if there is an issue I should at least be able to get my money back.
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Sik
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Get a copy of MSI Afterburner to control fan speed on the video card. To keep noise down fans are set to run too slowly and the video cards get too hot and slow down. Running at a high fan speed or setting a higher fan speed profile will keep your video card from slowing down when it's stressed.
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Doesn't always work. I tried MSI but my HD 6970 had a typhoon generator of a stock fan. I put a closed loop water cooler on it and it's been awesome night and day ever since. Even with full ear padded headphones on, under load it would be quite audible to the point of interrupting games.
So, yes, play with MSI, but sometimes you just need an aftermarket cooler to get some silence.
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Not sure, but I think you might need an MSI GPU, and possibly mobo to regulate fan speed with MSI AB
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Not sure, but I think you might need an MSI GPU, and possibly mobo to regulate fan speed with MSI AB
I'm completely certain that the MSI Afterburner works with any brand of AMD and nVidia GPU that runs VR.
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I'm completely certain that the MSI Afterburner works with any brand of AMD and nVidia GPU that runs VR.
Yup, FLS, my bad, just checked it out on my AB with my GeForce GTX 1060, and I just set my GPU fans speed to a custom curve, am glad you pointed that out!