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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chris79 on July 04, 2017, 06:47:14 PM
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(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/cjnfl1979/IMG_0832_zpsopktsdvu.jpg) (http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/cjnfl1979/media/IMG_0832_zpsopktsdvu.jpg.html)
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag120/cjnfl1979/IMG_0831_zpsq5hlbugd.jpg) (http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/cjnfl1979/media/IMG_0831_zpsq5hlbugd.jpg.html)
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:aok A good time I take it?
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Yes, took a lot more pictures, got to sit in a Mig21 cockpit, and came across a long lost freind "the DeHavilland Beaver". Tomorrow is the War Museum and Parliament hill. I was hoping to have time to make it to Quebec City, but it seems doubtful.
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Do you have any other pics of the 109? I'd like to see the left side of the fuselage. That's either an F-4 with a G canopy or a G-2 with an F-4 cowling. I need to see where the fuel filler hatch is to know for sure.
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I would guess its a g-6
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According to their website it is an F4.....they do have some more pictures there...... :old:
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Yup, thats what I found too.
Messerschmitt BF 109F-4/TROP
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I found a pic via google.
(http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/walkaround/10132/10132.aft-port.jpg)
It's an F with a G canopy.
But it gets even stranger. Somebody who was dealing with the restoration modified the the front canopy to appear more like an F by adding a window to the lower left corner. Problem is that the thick frames are a dead giveaway that it's a G canopy for anyone that knows their 109's.
Furthermore, the scheme depicted is that of Horst Carganico, who had his planes modified to fit the early Emil canopy with rounded windows.
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k304/Major_Sharpe/109FCarganico1-001.jpg) (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/Major_Sharpe/media/109FCarganico1-001.jpg.html)
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The display suggests that the airframe was pulled from the Muck near Murmansk in the 1990's so I would suspect that it was in poor condition. I asked about the desert paint scheme but did not receive an adequate answer. The museum had a Spit9, Hurri2, Typhoon, BF109F?, Sea Fury, Lancaster, Me163, and a He162 in the WW2 section. The Hurricane seemed odd for it had 8 303s and 4 20mns.
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The desert colors are correct for the aircraft for Carganico and most of the other 109F's in Jg 5 as they were sent Tropical build aircraft for whatever reason.
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hmm thats why I was guessing its a G6 looks like. I was guessing since I don't know much about 109s
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The Hurricane seemed odd for it had 8 303s and 4 20mns.
Have a pic?
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(http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/img/artifacts/casm/artifact-hawker-hurricane-xii.jpg)
from http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/en/collection-research/collection.php?&start=0
Someone went big eyed seeing mg barrels sticking out of the wing.
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I am sure there is a certain amount of "make do" when it comes to parts when restoring these things.
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Another Canadian Hurricane, https://www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g499115-d573716-i101490082-Reynolds_Alberta_Museum-Wetaskiwin_Alberta.html
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/0c/9d/93/reynolds-alberta-museum.jpg)
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Ok...let me do some digging on these RCAF Hurri's...something is up with this configuration that I've not seen before. I was at the same museum like almost over 20 years ago ...not the amature war historian I'm today... I also have the serial number form both. Will report back shortly....
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Is it possible that those are not 20mms but, in fact, .303s? Didn't the Hurricane IIb have a configuration with 12x.303s?
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Ok, figured it out. 5584 was built by the Canadian Car & Foundry (Can-Car) (https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-HawkerHurricaneMKXII.pdf). This particular beauty (Mark XII) is equipped with 12 x .303 Browning MG's and has a 1300hp Packard AZ Merline 29 engine. 12 & 8 MG's were part of their design standards. The extra 4 MG's added had to be moved up to slightly extend past the leading edge of the wing as it was narrower than the inner MG's. Makes sense...like Dace suggested, they're not hispano cannons.
(http://www.skytamer.com/1.2/2003/3387.jpg)
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It's not an F-4/Trop. It doesn't have the dust filter, and it has the bird cage Gustav canopy. My guess is that it's a G-2 or G-4.
F-4/Trop:
(http://www.geocities.jp/yoyuso/bf109f/109f83.jpg)
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This Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4 was manufactured in Germany by Erla Maschinenwerk in 1942 for the Luftwaffe. In August of that year, the aircraft was damaged during aerial combat and crash-landed near the Arctic port of Murmansk in the Soviet Union. The pilot survived.
Little is known about the aircraft after this point. It was eventually crudely restored for display in a Soviet museum. In the mid-1990s, it was acquired by Aero Vintage Ltd., a British restoration organization, and refinished in its original colours. The original bullet holes were not repaired, and remain visible.
The Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4, which belonged to Mr. Jeet Mahal, was acquired through exchange with Aero Vintage Ltd., England, for one of the Museum's two Messerschmitt Me 163B Komet rocket fighters. A Canadian Forces aircraft delivered the Bf 109 to the Museum in the early part of June 1999, where it was reassembled and put on display.
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It's not an F-4/Trop. It doesn't have the dust filter, and it has the bird cage Gustav canopy. My guess is that it's a G-2 or G-4.
F-4/Trop:
(http://www.geocities.jp/yoyuso/bf109f/109f83.jpg)
Well, you're wrong. The position of the fuel fill hatch clearly makes it an F, as only the F has the hatch beneath the canopy.
It is well documented that JG's 3, 5, and 77 received some tropical build 109F's despite not being in a "tropical" theater. In all of those cases, the squadrons applied additional paint over the sand brown to better blend into their local environment. Also, the sand filter over the intake is very easy to remove.
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If it was a G "unless it was one of the very first ones" it would also have small air intakes just behind the spinner.
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The WNr is 10132.
WNr 10001 - 10290 were Bf109F-4
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Well, you're wrong. The position of the fuel fill hatch clearly makes it an F, as only the F has the hatch beneath the canopy.
It is well documented that JG's 3, 5, and 77 received some tropical build 109F's despite not being in a "tropical" theater. In all of those cases, the squadrons applied additional paint over the sand brown to better blend into their local environment. Also, the sand filter over the intake is very easy to remove.
I stand corrected. :)
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(http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/img/artifacts/casm/artifact-hawker-hurricane-xii.jpg)
from http://casmuseum.techno-science.ca/en/collection-research/collection.php?&start=0
Someone went big eyed seeing mg barrels sticking out of the wing.
I suspected that it was the case.