Now Miss Velma. Miss Velma had to make an emergency landing in a field near Duxford today, pilot reported OK. Report is the engine failed and could not make airfield. Looks a bit like the gear was being retracted I think as she goes in but I'm not sure of the sequence of the photos. Looks like down and locked when she was somewhat higher but could be a difference in photos, photographer position. Not really sure on that.
She was taking part in the ‘Balbo’ formation of around 20 aircraft from the various internet info. This is 10 years after her epic trip across the pond and one repeated this year by Berlin Express.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Mister Fork on July 10, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
Use the film and screenshot sections - you can attach them to the posting and the use the links to post it here.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Bruv119 on July 10, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
amsoil is banned from duxford now everytime he shows up a 51 gets it in the neck.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: expat on July 10, 2017, 11:40:50 AM
First airshow ive been to since the late 90's and a plane goes in ....
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Bruv119 on July 10, 2017, 04:37:26 PM
expat you should have said mate.
we had a few ahers there.
If you saw a good looking blonde guy with shaven head and a little girl on his shoulders shouting "HURRICANES!!!" and "SPITFIRE!!!"" that was me.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: DaveBB on July 10, 2017, 06:53:18 PM
I can't resist!
"Tower, I'm having engine trouble in my Mustang, I'm going to run through my crash landing checklist!
(1) Partially open canopy- CHECK (2) Enter a 10 to 15 degree bank, definitely don't level off- CHECK (3) Partially retract landing gear- CHECK (4) Keep the struggling engine running to make the prop is spinning when it hits and leave the fuel flow on- CHECK"
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: expat on July 10, 2017, 09:44:38 PM
Bruv Touch wood will be back next year :aok
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: colmbo on July 10, 2017, 10:31:35 PM
"Tower, I'm having engine trouble in my Mustang, I'm going to run through my crash landing checklist!
(1) Partially open canopy- CHECK (2) Enter a 10 to 15 degree bank, definitely don't level off- CHECK (3) Partially retract landing gear- CHECK (4) Keep the struggling engine running to make the prop is spinning when it hits and leave the fuel flow on- CHECK"
Are you being critical of the pilot? If so, why?
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Easyscor on July 11, 2017, 12:54:56 AM
He missed the fence posts. :aok
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: lunatic1 on July 11, 2017, 07:19:30 AM
"Tower, I'm having engine trouble in my Mustang, I'm going to run through my crash landing checklist!
(1) Partially open canopy- CHECK (2) Enter a 10 to 15 degree bank, definitely don't level off- CHECK (3) Partially retract landing gear- CHECK (4) Keep the struggling engine running to make the prop is spinning when it hits and leave the fuel flow on- CHECK"
s^%# happens FAST. I don't think we can say how many of the things we're seeing in these limited pictures are results of improper action by the pilot, and how many are symptomatic of the failure. Not to mention, these three pictures alone don't give us a full idea of what was happening.
1) You want the canopy open enough to get out in case of fire, as the canopy may be damaged by the impact enough that it seizes in position. Fully open is NOT a priority at this low altitude, time-critical juncture. It's open enough to get out if it bursts into flames. Good enough. 2) Maybe straight and level lead to a house. In that case, I'll take my chances dragging a wing first rather than a direct impact with an obstacle. 3) I don't know my P-51 systems terribly well. Could they have been in the process of retracting when the engine failed and took hyds with it? There are circumstances where no gear is better than particular unsafe gear conditions. Perhaps they were extending and failed to fully extend? 4) I would cite number 2. Getting the airplane on the ground safely is more important than protecting the engine.
I'm not saying no mistakes were made, I'm just saying your being awfully critical based on such limited information.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Maverick on July 11, 2017, 10:06:37 AM
I would guess that the pilot decided to retract the gear to prevent the bird from flipping over on touch down given that he knew he was going to land in a farm field.
Dave you DO understand that just because you turn off the engine that the prop still rotates due to the passage of a lot of air at over 100 MPH airspeed. Unless the engine seizes or something else prevents it from turning it continues to do so.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Puma44 on July 11, 2017, 11:42:01 AM
I would guess that the pilot decided to retract the gear to prevent the bird from flipping over on touch down given that he knew he was going to land in a farm field.
Dave you DO understand that just because you turn off the engine that the prop still rotates due to the passage of a lot of air at over 100 MPH airspeed. Unless the engine seizes or something else prevents it from turning it continues to do so.
Most likely that he wisely retracted the gear because of the unknown state of of the ground. Way better on the belly than on the back.
You are correct. Even shut down, the prop will continue to windmill. This pilot did a great job with not much time to decide. Well done!
Dave, the Mustang emergency procedures say nothing about keeping the engine running. There's no benefit to it and doing so could only create more problems.
I would guess that the pilot decided to retract the gear to prevent the bird from flipping over on touch down given that he knew he was going to land in a farm field.
Dave you DO understand that just because you turn off the engine that the prop still rotates due to the passage of a lot of air at over 100 MPH airspeed. Unless the engine seizes or something else prevents it from turning it continues to do so.
Yep. My post wasn't serious at all. Every time a plane crashes people always critique the pilot. That's why I said I couldn't resist.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Toad on July 13, 2017, 11:43:41 AM
Couple of other views on Miss Velma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8dHKwkLNnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LdrY79g99Q
BTW, how do you embed youtube videos on this BBS? I've seen in in posts but can't duplicate it!
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Mister Fork on July 13, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
BTW, how do you embed youtube videos on this BBS? I've seen in in posts but can't duplicate it!
Yeah, not sure what it takes to make the embedded u-tube videos work. It looks like he didn't have much distance or time to make a decision at all ... maybe 2-3 seconds from "gonna put her down easily just over there" to "sheit, I'm not gonna make it mate - there - I'll put it in the field!" :eek:
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Toad on July 13, 2017, 04:18:48 PM
Tried the [youtube] thing but it didn't work.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Skuzzy on July 13, 2017, 04:30:12 PM
Toad, there is an option in each users profile which controls how Youtube videos are shown. Look in the "Look and Layout" section of your profile. The name of the option is "Show YouTube videos as a link.". That has to be unchecked for Youtube videos to show up as embedded.
Once that is unchecked, then the Youtube link has to be wrapped with the youtube tags.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Toad on July 13, 2017, 07:26:06 PM
Skuzzy, thanks for the help but I'm not clear on this.
First you said: "That has to be unchecked for Youtube videos to show up as embedded."
Then you said: "Once that is checked, then the Youtube link has to be wrapped with the youtube tags."
So do I want it checked or unchecked and THEN use the [youtube] x {/youtube} wrap?
Yeah, I didn't use the bracket deliberately. Otherwise it says bad youtube link or something.
BTW, I tried it both ways, checked and unchecked. Nada. Unchecked I get the link. Checked I get a blank post.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Brooke on July 14, 2017, 12:29:49 AM
It works with this:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/d8dHKwkLNnI[/youtube]
<-- note I'm getting the link from right clicking on the youtube video and selecting "copy video url" then pasting between the [yout...][/yout...] tags.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Skuzzy on July 14, 2017, 06:17:01 AM
OOps, typo Toad.
Uncheck the option. Also note, you have to get the URL as Brooke said.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: Toad on July 14, 2017, 08:32:58 PM
Ok, thanks gentlemen.
I see the problem.
The link I posted is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8dHKwkLNnI
Brooke's link does not have the watch?v=
I got that link in an email instead of right clicking the youtube page.
Title: Re: P-51 emergency landing
Post by: icepac on July 15, 2017, 12:30:01 PM
He likely left the gear up or retracted it at engine failure to ensure he made the field.
Landing gear down in a housing community is far worse than making the field and running out of time to get gear down and locked.
I did this all the time in game in addition to getting prop best for gliding in the game.
You can also get a small reduction in drag over the best prop setting by getting it stopped but you have to go so unbelievably slow in game to get it stopped that you likely won't get it the first try.
If you're at 30k and almost out of fuel, you can try it a couple of times before you run out and extend your glide by a bit.