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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Gman on July 24, 2017, 05:35:03 PM
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After all the Vega hype, so far it looks fairly disappointing, roughly the same performance as a 1080 in tests so far. If it's cheaper than a 1080, then it'll be a bit more impressive, but they way they were promoting it, I was expecting 1080ti or Titan P performance or even better. I would have paid for it too.
Threadripper is another story. By the looks of it for $999 USD the flagship CPU should handily beat much more expensive recent Intel chips. Once future SkyX chips and Thread are officially out, we'll see, but my next upgrade/build could be the first AMD system since my old Thunderbird back in 2002. AMD CPU anyway, I can't see my giving up the 1080/ti/Titan for a Vega, for any reason right now. Much less the next gen nVidia Volta stuff coming.
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Vega is a disappointment, in Swedish media they mentioned $200-300 less expensive than Nvidia 1080.
It will put price pressure on NVIDIA.
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The only Vega released so far is a Professional version with most of the advanced Vega features still disabled.
In many Pro applications it already showed strong performance while being (far) cheaper than nvidia counterparts.
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Vega FE, yes, has potential, but it's drivers aren't optimized for games, nor will they be anytime soon according to AMD. The actual gaming retail card, the Vega RX, which has been tested vs the 1080 by many so far, performs about the same, and is a bit cheaper. Vega FE I've seen tests where it's mowed Titan Pascals, handily, but not in games, in apps, as again, it's more of a Quadro competitor, and will be sold as such, and supported as such. That same Vega FE has been tested in various games, and in gaming, it's performance compared to the Titan, falls to far below the Titan XP so far.
AMD marketed the Vega RX - maybe marketed isn't the correct term, but it certainly put the rumors out there - the gaming card, as a Titan or 1080ti killer, for less $. It is less $, but isn't even close to beating either, and again, Volta will be out shortly, this year, and that will obliterate the Vega gaming card easily, as the 1080 is already matching it, while the current Titan Pascals and ti cards are far faster. Again, according to the dozen or so early tests that have been published online by various tech sites.
In other words, the actual gaming performance of BOTH new AMD wonder cards could be characterized as ho-hum, and that's being generous. I would have paid for Titan P/1080ti beating performance, and built an all AMD new system with Threadripper and Vega, but it looks like it'll likely be Threadripper and Volta for the next one.
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No Vega RX has been tested so far, the only Voltas close to release are huge-chip professional versions. Voltas for gaming are not expected before early/mid 2018
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As long as cryptocoin mining is buying all the video cards, there won't be any downward price pressure on AMD nor Nvidia.
I didn't think Threadripper was a gaming CPU. Too many cores that won't get used, too little clockspeed. And a high-ish price to boot.
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Ethereum is petering out and it looks like there are already video cards for sale from those purchased for mining there. Although the early miners are still building up hardware as it seems a race to who can build out the largest data center for the purposes of mining. Meanwhile, back in reality, the value is taking a dump due to the Ethereum group breaking apart.
Ethereum was a disaster looking for a place to happen anyway. I hope it dies soon.
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All the Etherium miners aren't going away though, many are looking for the next new bubble to get in on early. I just hope it settles on a few coin types, bouncing from one to another over and over won't convince the public that these aren't just the new kind of pyramid scheme for the digital era.
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The Ehtereum split did not help matters. One side for hacking,the other side against. That whole virtual machine is a mess.
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Quite a few more 1060s for sale in the used forums up here than normal, probably a result of BC miners throwing in the towel already after the big surge/splash.
No official test of RX Vega, true, but the leaks as wells as tests posted by those who have the card early like HardOCP, as well as AMD themselves, will probably prove to be pretty accurate and representative of the retail released card when it comes out, IMO.
Vega RX from HardOCP, there are many other examples of this too from other tech sites. HardOCP has had their RX Vega card since before the weekend of the 22/23rd of July.
(https://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/1501092044luf12r9i4c_1_6.jpg)
So far as Volta's release date, nVidia's latest press release on WCCFTech as of the 26th, they've specifically said that there will be a Volta gaming GPU product out in Q4 of 17. Time will tell on that, but for release dates, it's always up in the air until the week they actually do get released IMO anyway. Much will likely depend on nVidia's financials due out on Aug 10 (2 weeks), so far as how hard and fast they want to push Volta to the market.
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Quite a few more 1060s for sale in the used forums up here than normal---
Isn't that good news for everyone wanting to get AH running better on a budget?
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Good news for every gamer on a budget with an older card wanting to upgrade to something that will handle almost anything @60fps and 1080p. 1060s have been faster than the last gen 970 in most cases, and that was the "go to" card for a lot of people, here too. Bad news for crypto miners, but that doesn't keep me awake at night.
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Well at least Nvidia is demonstrating some confidence\sportsmanship in publicly recognizing AMD's Threadripper CPU's................or is it really disdain for Intel coming thru?
I would like to believe that some vintage of true sportsmanship does still exist between these 2 rival companies..............
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-welcomes-amds-x86-comeback-endorses-threadripper-amd-high-fives-back/
:salute
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AMD is on par with intel, basically; that is more then what we can ask.
It should change everything.
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That deal that Microsoft has with Windows 7 not supporting newer CPUs on the Intel line (thus forcing you to switch to Windows 10), does that also apply to the new Ryzen cores?
Will they work fine on Win7 x64?
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Same deal Krusty. Arbitrary dropping support for newer CPU's (Intel or AMD) to force people to upgrade to Windows 10.
I am just not going to upgrade my CPU.
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Wait, something's not right. This is a quote from Vinkman's post in the Ryzen CPU thread. He went with a Ryzen 1800X and is using Win 7 64-bit. Since this post he's also added a GTX 1080Ti, I believe (insert drooling emoji here)
So I got my rig working on Saturday and used it for two days.
Old system
Core Duo Quad Q6600
Dell BTX Motherboard
8M RAM DDR3
Nvidia GeForce 8800GTX [upgraded to a Radeon 5970 Graphics card with 2G vRAM]
Window 7 'Home' 64 Bit
My New system has:
Ryzen 7 1800x,
ASUS AM4 socket motherboard
32G of DDR4 2400 RAM
Radeon 5970 Graphics card with 2G vRAM carry over from my old system]
Windows 7 'Pro' 64 bit
The improvement in game play and graphics is significant over my old system, even though the video card is the same card in both builds
AH3 on my old rig to achieve frame rates in the 40s...
Disable reflections, bump mapping, shadows, clutter, clutter in flight
Video resolution at 2048
2x anti aliasing
Object detail slider 50%
Ground detail Range 25%
Tree detail slider 10%
Terrain detail Slider 50%
Environment map = None
AH3 on my New rig to achieve frame rates of 60 FR/s...
Disable shadows
Video resolution at 4096
12x anti aliasing
Object detail slider Max%
Ground detail Range Max%
Tree detail slider 20%
Terrain detail Slider Max%
Environment map = None
Game looks beautiful with no issues. I still can't run shadows with the terrain detail and ground range at Max...because that's an awful lot of shadows to calculate. And I can't increase the side per frame on the Environment Map with the other settings at Max.
The only issues appeared when the furball moved over a airbase town and the number of air-cons within 8K got near 30. Frame rate dropped into the 30s but there was stuttering and choppiness that seemed worse than the indicated number. Like when the frame freezes because something is caching. Video Ram was showing 1000M used out of 2000M available. This might be corrected by backing off the sliders a bit. I will look more into what ends up being and optimum slider setting.
I have not plaid with any chip settings/overclocking etc. This is out of the box settings.
My shooting and flying have not improved. ;)
Vinkman
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If it works with Windows 7, then it is going against what AMD has stated. Then again, they have waffled a bit on that statement, first saying they would provide drivers for the new CPU's and Windows 7, then saying they would not.
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Thanks Skuzzy. It sounds like officially it is unsupported, but that doesn't mean it won't work if you try it.
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Wait, something's not right. This is a quote from Vinkman's post in the Ryzen CPU thread. He went with a Ryzen 1800X and is using Win 7 64-bit. Since this post he's also added a GTX 1080Ti, I believe (insert drooling emoji here)
From what I have seen, AMD had developed a driver that would allow Win 7 to install on a Ryzen CPU but left this in the mobo manuf's hands to provide it so that AMD itself can officially comply w\ MS concerning Ryzen. I know that Gigabyte has a hotfix available on their web site to rectify the USB issue that is supposed to allow Win 7 to install on a Gigabyte mobo equipped w\ an AMD Ryzen CPU.
So you might check into this if desired.
Now MS Windows Update isn't "supposed" to allow any Windows updates to be downloaded & installed to an AMD Ryzen CPU unless it sees Win 10 installed & will constantly notify you on this if it doesn't (Vinkman has already posted about this as he has installed\currently using Win 7 on his AMD Ryzen 7 1800X box w\ an Asus Prime B350 AM4 mobo)......but I haven't read anything that said that you couldn't download the desired Windows update to your HDD\SSD then MANUALLY install it............
You might check into this as well.
FYI.........................
:salute
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Ryzen worked fine on Win7 until M$ added the update block with the June or July 2017 update.
But there are still workarounds to disable the block.
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Assuming you wanted to keep Win7 x64, it sounds like you could run a Ryzen (with some hassle), but what about DX levels for graphics? Say you stick a GTI 1080 in there, are you essentially cutting off a lot of the software not being installed backwards onto Win7?
Example: Does Oculus Rift not require Win10 these days?
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Rift requires DX11, or higher. DX11 came with Windows 7.