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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Pudgie on August 15, 2017, 05:59:27 PM
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Hi All,
As of 8-1-17 ole Pudgie is officially retired and to commemorate this occasion (which now dictates being on a fixed budget going forwards) I'm gonna get myself a new all around high quality computer case that can accomodate a custom loop watercooling system so that it will be the last case that I'll be using w\ any future upgrades.........and the winner is...........
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352072
I've always liked Fractal's case design philosophy but just couldn't get past the bland front panel designs......until now w\ the Meshify. I like this front panel design for its looks & airflow performance & I like the badge design & placement of it on the front bezel. I also like the compact size of this case for it being able to accommodate a full size ATX mobo along w\ watercooling equipment.
It should be on my doorstep come Thursday.......at the same time as another item to commemorate this occasion as well...........
A full custom designed EKWB cooling system w\ water blocks for my AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU, Gigabyte GA-AX370 Gaming K5 mobo and the upcoming AMD Rx Vega 64 reference graphics card. I've always wanted to do a full custom loop watercooled gaming box so I'm gonna jump in it w\ both feet!
This should also be on my doorstep come Thursday as well. Gonna control all of it fully from the Gigabyte mobo's Smart5 Fan\Pump PWM control thru the UEFI. I've designed this setup w\ the Meshify's internal dimensions in mind so all should fit as I've intended.............
Gonna be a fun project when all is here! :D
Plan to wait a while for the market to settle down some before getting the graphics card as I'm in no hurry for this part so I'm gonna swap out of my old trusty CM Storm Scout Gen 1 case that I've been using since 5-1-2012 (not custom loop watercooling friendly....had to mod brackets for the radiator of the Corsair H80i V2 AIO to fit in the 3 empty 5 1\4" bays) and into the Meshify case to get the majority of the work out of the way up front.
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Nice-looking case, Pudgie.
Congratulations and enjoy your retirement!
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congrats on retirement and enjoy your project. looks interesting.
Serious question: What happens if there is a leak in there? can it leak? I have seen these but always wondered that
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A lapdance woulda been cheaper.
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Nice case, no matter if you use liquid or air for cooling. And not too expensive either. :aok
Flippz, there's two types of liquid cooling. The older design is more prone to leaks because the user can fill or replace the liquid. Back in the day there used to be reservoir towers almost as big as the case itself. More connectors to leave open or crack, simply said. The modern ones are closed, factory sealed systems.
In either case there's a metal block connected to the component to be cooled and hoses to lead the liquid to and from a cooler element with a fan. It's very similar to the water cooling system in car engines. Not only can the plastic hoses break/split/get loose, the metal block itself can get a crack and leak. It's seldom but it can happen and has happened.
One thing I don't know about is how the liquid coolers stand extreme temperatures. If you're going to a lan party in the wintertime at -30 centigrade, having your computer in the trunk for half a day... That's not unusual here. Or vice versa, if it's +30 in the shadow and you're having your case in the trunk of a black sedan...
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thanks I have all ways wondered that. some folks I talk to swear by them, but with my limited knowledge of the system I was all ways skeptical of the units. before I got into computers a guy I worked with built one with a water cooler and it looked cool. I never saw it run or heard anything else about it but it looked cool.
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Off topic but worth posting. Just remember Pudgie, the recliner is a death trap. Stay active.
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Off topic but worth posting. Just remember Pudgie, the recliner is a death trap. Stay active.
Got ya, Randy1!
Also been keeping track of my blood pressure & weight\diet every day since I had the weight loss surgery back on 11-10-15 to maintain the weight loss goals which includes exercising\walking. Been easily maintaining 110-120 lbs of lost weight so far & blood pressure below 128\84 to date. Been making a lot of repairs to the house & our vehicles on the side so I'm getting "in the groove" so to say!
But I do appreciate the encouragement!
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Congrats Pudgie! :cheers:
Yes, stay active so you can enjoy a long retirement! :salute
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Got the new case this morning.
I've got my Team Red components pulled from my CM Storm Scout Gen 1 case and all stuffed inside this Fractal Design Meshify C case now.
The airflow capabilities of this case is outstanding....makes this old CM Storm Scout case look very bad.
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I pulled the 2 Fractal Design 120mm fans and installed 2 Noctua NP-A14 IndustrialPPC 2000RPM fans in the front to draw cool air into this case then mounted the radiator off my FuryX graphics card in the rear 120mm slot and the radiator off my Corsair H80i V2 AIO (cools the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU) in the top front 120mm slot w\ both exhausting out the case. Set up the 2 Noctuas in Silent Mode in UEFI then fired up AHIII after updating game to latest patch to heat all up to condition the fresh thermal paste (OCZ Freeze) on the CPU. CPU temps went up to 53*C then started dropping slowly back down to 45*C-47*C after approx 30 mins of flying but the Fury X's temps never got over 61*C (was steady at 65*C-67*C prior). Checked H80i V2 coldplate temps--at 42*C w\ rad fan never ramping up off low RPM set @ 890 RPM's w\ FuryX rad fan speeds running around 1153-1186 RPM's. The 2 Noctuas were turning at 783-814 RPM's......all under full game load w\ all the dust filters installed.
This is an excellent case to use to build a gaming computer as there are absolutely no dead spots inside the component area for warm air to accumulate....flow is very smooth. I really loved the cable management designed into this case!
The red accent bling I got going from the FuryX, mobo & H80i V2 CPU pump block looks good thru the tempered glass side panel as well.
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I'm gonna enjoy this setup for the time being until I finally get the Rx Vega 64 graphics card then I'll install the custom watercooling loop at that time.
Halfway there!
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And addition for Flippz regarding his question about water cooling:
As you can see from the above, multiple large fans are still needed. Basically all major heat producing components can be water cooled, but there's a bunch of smaller hotties on the motherboard and other circuit boards that rely on constant airflow. The only method to cool a computer without any airflow is to fill the entire case with non-corrosive, non-conductive liquid. And yes, aquarium pc's has been done.
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Nice case, good use of fans and equipment to keep it all cool :aok
I like the cooling concept that has a large 200mm-ish fan on the side panel blowing constant air directly at the mobo, encouraging an airflow direction low-front to top back with an intake and exhaust fan. Liquid cooling radiators preferably blowing out at the top or top-back, since I don't like warm air blowing out the front of the case at me. I want a fan blowing outside air directly on the hard drives if using traditional mechanical HDDs, so thats usually what I use the lower front intake fan for.
I don't have a liquid cooler on my current rig, so the fan on my tower cooler on my cpu blows backwards and the top-back fan sucks most of that out right away. The 200mm side fan ensures that there aren't any stagnant hot areas where the airflow swirls instead of moving through and out. Positive pressure design. 2 120mm intake fans at the lower front blowing cool air on the HDDs, one 200mm side fan, one 120mm exhaust fan top-back, and then the PSU fan at the bottom that sucks in cool air from under the case and exhausts it out, so it doesn't really contribute anything to case heat or airflow.
Quiet and cool, very similar design to that fractal case. The main difference between my case and the fractal is that mine still has external drive cutouts in the front of the case that I've used for a blu-ray drive and a memory card reader.
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Nice case, good use of fans and equipment to keep it all cool :aok
I like the cooling concept that has a large 200mm-ish fan on the side panel blowing constant air directly at the mobo, encouraging an airflow direction low-front to top back with an intake and exhaust fan. Liquid cooling radiators preferably blowing out at the top or top-back, since I don't like warm air blowing out the front of the case at me. I want a fan blowing outside air directly on the hard drives if using traditional mechanical HDDs, so thats usually what I use the lower front intake fan for.
I don't have a liquid cooler on my current rig, so the fan on my tower cooler on my cpu blows backwards and the top-back fan sucks most of that out right away. The 200mm side fan ensures that there aren't any stagnant hot areas where the airflow swirls instead of moving through and out. Positive pressure design. 2 120mm intake fans at the lower front blowing cool air on the HDDs, one 200mm side fan, one 120mm exhaust fan top-back, and then the PSU fan at the bottom that sucks in cool air from under the case and exhausts it out, so it doesn't really contribute anything to case heat or airflow.
Quiet and cool, very similar design to that fractal case. The main difference between my case and the fractal is that mine still has external drive cutouts in the front of the case that I've used for a blu-ray drive and a memory card reader.
The Noctua NP-A14 IndustrialPPC PWM 12v 2000 RPM fan (also make a 120mm version as well...NP-A12. I'm using the 140mm version in front) is an excellent fan to use for case fans or radiator cooling fans as these fans move a tremendous amount of air for the RPM that they turn at a higher static pressure than most other manuf's fans on the market and use 3 phase motors which are more powerful, power friendly and reliable as well. They aren't cheap as these type of fans go (run @ $27.95\ea for the NP-A14 on Newegg or Amazon) but they WILL get the job done. 2 of these will give you all the positive pressure & airflow you want inside of your std mid-tower ATX computer case at low RPM. They also come w\ very long cable leads (approx 12" long) so they will reach most mobo headers w\o extensions.
They are also the only Noctua fan that I've found manufactured in black to match a blacked out case interior....all other Noctua fans are the cream color.
I love em!
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9PV3Y64440
Here it is!
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Here is a shot of my components nestled inside this Fractal Design Meshify C case in current configuration.
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Update:
My EKWB custom watercooling loop kit has come in for my box so I now have all these parts in hand.
Waiting on the dust to settle down on the AMD Rx Vega 64 graphics card (price-wise) to pick 1 of these up then will install the water cooling loop.
Getting closer.....................
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Why not just get a 1080 or a 1080ti?
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Pudgie what GCard do you have in your current system.
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Pudgie what GCard do you have in your current system.
Hi ACE,
Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury X 4Gb HBM1 mem graphics card (made by AMD).
Had this since 9-29-15 (listed in sig below).
Hope this helps.
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Update:
If anyone is considering 1 of these cases for their build, please be aware of using the front USB 3.0 ports on this case as the retainer clips in the sockets will actually hook into the 2 square slots on each side of the USB connector that is inserted into the port & retain the connector, especially the USB connectors that don't have the plastic backing that will prevent these clips from actually hooking the metal........like an original Apple I-Phone charging\interface cable for I-Phone 5 series & up.
Once the USB port hooks this piece there ain't no removing it w\o tearing up the USB port & cable USB connector as it latches in that well. I was lucky in that this particular I-Phone USB cable's USB connector was just under the dimensions of the USB port hole thru the front bezel so I was able to pull the front bezel to expose the 3 Phillips screws to remove these USB ports from the bezel threading the stuck cable thru the USB port hole to expose the USB socket retainer clips so I could use a jeweler's flat-blade screwdriver to pry the retainer clips back enough to release the I-Phone cable then reassembled all back in the front bezel & reattach the front bezel back on the case.
If this had been a USB stick then it would have been a "permanently attached" part.
FYI.......................... ..
I've sent an inquiry detailing this issue to Fractal so hopefully this will get fixed going forward.
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Update:
As of yesterday I have acquired the last part of this present........a shiny new XFX Radeon Rx Vega 64 8Gb vid card.
Ordered it from Newegg & got a nice surprise as it actually cost me only $55.00 over the MSRP of $499.99 (the AMD Black Pack that gets you 2 free games..Wolfenstein & Prey...along w\ a $129.99 price discount off listed price @ $679.99 + $4.95 shipping) so I was able to maintain my goal of paying less for the new flagship graphics card than what I paid for the prior 1 (paid $649.99 + shipping for the Fury X back on 9-29-15) which was what I was holding out for.
Learned this the hard way back in the day when I bought the GeForce GTX Titan for $999.99 only to have Nvidia undercut it within 1 1\2 months w\ the GeForce 780Ti which outperformed the Titan for a lot less money...............
Installed it as is to test all out to ensure all is good before I start surgery to install my custom watercooling loop system.
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Be interested to see how this comes together and performs, I've been thinking of building an AMD cpu/gpu system for interests sake in a month or two.
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Ok folks the time has arrived..................
Going off line to install my custom watercooling loop.........this may take me a couple of days to complete as I'll be slowly installing all parts to configure the best layout for all parts in this Fractal Design Meshify C case as it's gonna be a snug fit once done.
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Team Red is back in business!
Got the custom watercooling loop installed, filled, leak tested, purged all out & online w\o issue.
All is working peachy as expected..........
Ran a few sorties in AHIII to heat up the Rx Vega 64 graphics card along w\ the Ryzen 7 1800X to work in the thermal paste that I used that was supplied by EKWB for the EKWB Supremacy EVO CPU waterblock & the EKWB Rx Vega full coverage GPU waterblock w\ EKWB Rx Vega back plate w\ thermal tape (back plate serves as passive cooling plate as well).
With rad fans set for low speed (120mm rear rad fan @ 812 rpms, both front 240mm rad fans @ 737 rpm's w\ water pump speed @ 1712 rpm's) the highest temps on the Rx Vega 64 graphics card reached 58*C @ 1603 MHz GPU\945 MHz HBM2 mem locked at 90 FPS thruout (upper AMD FreeSynch range for my Asus MG279Q Gaming monitor) w\ CPU hitting 62*C (coolant goes thru vid card 1st then thru 120mm rear rad then thru CPU then thru 240mm front rad then reservoir then pump...repeat) w\ Crimson driver & all in-game settings set at max except tree detail (left at default setting level) on purpose to heat this GPU\mem up as much as I could to test loop & all is looking good at this time.
Will be making some fan speed adjustments to get it all optimized as I like then I will record a video of all this running w\ overlay up to show all in operation.
There is no mistaking it, these Radeon Rx Vega series need water to consistently get their max performance.....just as the Fury series did as well (prior graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury X w\ AIO).
Project is now done & complete.......will post a couple of pictures of the loop as soon as I install my spare Belkin 4-port USB hub to my box to download the pictures from my phone (ain't gonna risk using the front 2 USB case ports again....got cable hung the last time). I'm also gonna install a white LED RGB strip along the outer bottom of the PSU shroud to light up the BitsPower flow indicator so I can see it better thru the tempered glass side panel (can barely see it turning thru the red backlighting & red cooling fluid).............
Cross off another task on the retirement bucket list......................... .....
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PS--FWIW, just read GPU\HBM2 mem power draw off HWINFO32 as 218.456 W peak power while playing AHIII.
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Very cool Pudgie, thanks for the update.
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Here are the pictures provided below of Pudgie's very 1st custom watercooling loop install in this compact Fractal Design Meshify C case......
Wasn't half bad but I took the time to think this thru before starting to do anything as I didn't want to waste much of the soft hose material (even though I had 3 meters of the stuff). Came out very well for a 1st.....no runs, drips, leaks or errors....went like clockwork.....and I was GLAD of that!
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The red coils around the hoses are PrimoChill Anti-Kink coils that will keep the soft hose from kinking when making very tight bends (of course they add a little bling to my red\black case theme). These pictures were taken while I was putting the system thru leak testing & purge out (was using a spare cheapo PSU to run the pump....was simply too little room to disconnect\connect the necessary PSU connections to use my existing Corsair TX850 V2 PSU w\ all the loop assembled inside this case).
Gonna enjoy this setup for the long haul. After watching too many You-Tube videos of folks building, using & elaborating on custom watercooling loops for PC's (and reading\hearing others giving negative reviews\assessments on them as well), I decided to do what ole Pudgie does best...............build 1 & find out for yourself from 1st hand experience.
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If there was anything w\ this build I would change now it would be 1.) to go w\ a DDC pump instead of this D5 (small enough to have fit under my Radeon Rx Vega graphics card mounted directly to the PSU shroud front hole cover w\ plenty of room to spare w\ more than enough fluid volume output to handle the components....could have mounted this D5 there as well but it would have taken up too much room so I pulled the front PSU shroud cover & put it in the basement along w\ a 120mm PWM fan blowing cool air thru the front bezel below the 240 mm radiator on the D5 pump & into the lower case as well to ensure positive pressure inside the case as I had to remove both of my vaunted Noctua NF-A14 fans as there was no room for my 240mm radiator to go in the top of this case w\ a rear-mounted 120mm radiator (measurements came out 1" off...long)which brings me to 2.) have gone w\ a 280mm radiator instead of the 240mm radiator if I was going to install a front radiator to been able to keep the 2 Noctua fans in the case as they would've made this setup a killer setup indeed........but oh well.......not bad for a beginner as it is. The beauty of the 280 mm option is that I wouldn't have to change not 1 part of my existing loop layout on potential swapout if desired..........may be a while though as these EKWB Vardar EVO 120mm radiator fans are very nice kit & get the job done very well....w\ 0 RPM\DB capability to boot which makes for a very quiet startup!
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Here is a You-Tube video of this box running AHIII Version 3.02 Patch 11 under this custom watercooling loop w\ the overlay up to show the running vitals of my system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L063i3QRVI
Provided below are snippets of the AMD Crimson 17.9.2 Global Driver Settings for graphics and power control that were being used during this video run.
Didn't dawn on me until after this video run that since the advent of this AMD Radeon Rx Vega series gaming graphics card (Vega 10 GPU was 1st launched as an AI, deep machine learning accelerator--AMD Radeon Instinct MI25) using the same Vega 10 GPU architectural layout in tandem w\ this AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU (which has the AMD SenseMI deep learning coding embedded) that maybe these 2 parts have the capability of some logical ability to interface w\ each other to better optimize as an intergrated "system" where they "read" each others operation then make adjustments to interact together in harmony to provide a seamless output............
Hhhmmm............now that would be an interesting subject topic to check into...........
Enjoy!
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Here are some snippets provided below of the HWINFO32 sensor recordings of my Ryzen 7 1800X CPU and Radeon Rx Vega 64 graphics card snipped right after making the video run in the prior post.
Please note in the maximum column where HWINFO32 shows where both CPU & GPU\Mem reached peak performance\power outputs along w\ temps according to the highest peak game loads my system saw at some point.
Very interesting.................. ....
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Update:
Well ole Pudgie just couldn't stand it any longer so I went ahead and got me an EKWB DDC 3.2 Elite PWM pump, drained the loop (I had initially installed a loop drain valve...makes this very easy... :aok), pulled the D5 pump, measured the dimensions and marked\drilled the PSU front shroud cover, mounted the DDC pump to the cover, removed the lower 120mm fan and remounted it in the bottom case fan mount (where I had the D5 pump mounted) to draw air in from the bottom of the case then installed a restrictor plate over the lower 120mm fan section in the front case section (to not allow any air drawn in from the bottom of the case to escape out the front of the case), installed the PSU shroud cover w\ DDC pump and fittings attached (dropped in w\o issue....didn't even have to move the 240mm radiator..... :aok) then retubed all back up w\ drain valve mounted in DDC pump outlet section (lowest place in the loop), refilled, purged & leak-tested loop then fired all back up and all is working well so I've got that behind me now.............
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Now it looks good to me when I look thru the TG of this Fractal Meshify C to see the PSU shroud looking sleek instead of the hole so I'm happy now. Without touching anything the DDC pump speed came out to be at 2103 rpms vs the D5's 1385 rpms but I noticed that the operating temps were holding in the same range so left as set.
The 120\240 radiator combo is proving to be more than up to the job of keeping all cooled w\o a lot of fan RPM's so the 240 radiator will be in for the long haul.
Now I can really say it's done!
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Pudgie, curious - what's your total power draw with that system?
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Pudgie, curious - what's your total power draw with that system?
Hi Oboe,
I can't say right off as I don't have a meter to exactly measure the power draw at the inlet of the PSU but from what I can extrapolate from this HWINFO32 software its estimated approx. somewhere between 395W-450W at peak power usage (CPU, mobo, graphics card).
Hope this helps you out.
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Yes that's exactly what I'm interested in.
I have a good quality 550W PS I'd like to reuse in my next build - I'm thinking about a Ryzen 1700 and a GTX 1080 but have not settled on anything yet.
Also mulling over whether to go with the lower cost B350 mobo or go X370. I never intend to use 2 vidcards, not sure what other things I'm giving up with a B350, but I think it would help free $$ for a more expensive video card.
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Yes that's exactly what I'm interested in.
I have a good quality 550W PS I'd like to reuse in my next build - I'm thinking about a Ryzen 1700 and a GTX 1080 but have not settled on anything yet.
Also mulling over whether to go with the lower cost B350 mobo or go X370. I never intend to use 2 vidcards, not sure what other things I'm giving up with a B350, but I think it would help free $$ for a more expensive video card.
Hi Oboe,
Here is a breakdown of the various AMD AM4 chipsets & what features they provide:
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=VI%2b3ssMp&id=985AD8C255C4C8432CAC12020B2AECEC1AAC040A&thid=OIP.VI-3ssMprbQwrzRCcb3VQAFNC7&q=b350+vs+x370+chipset+block+diagram&simid=607992720343630968&selectedIndex=27&qpvt=b350+vs+x370+chipset+block+diagram&ajaxhist=0
Hope this helps you out.
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Thank you, sir! :salute
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Update:
Well ole Pudgie just couldn't stand it any longer so I went ahead and got me an EKWB DDC 3.2 Elite PWM pump, drained the loop (I had initially installed a loop drain valve...makes this very easy... :aok), pulled the D5 pump, measured the dimensions and marked\drilled the PSU front shroud cover, mounted the DDC pump to the cover, removed the lower 120mm fan and remounted it in the bottom case fan mount (where I had the D5 pump mounted) to draw air in from the bottom of the case then installed a restrictor plate over the lower 120mm fan section in the front case section (to not allow any air drawn in from the bottom of the case to escape out the front of the case), installed the PSU shroud cover w\ DDC pump and fittings attached (dropped in w\o issue....didn't even have to move the 240mm radiator..... :aok) then retubed all back up w\ drain valve mounted in DDC pump outlet section (lowest place in the loop), refilled, purged & leak-tested loop then fired all back up and all is working well so I've got that behind me now.............
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Now it looks good to me when I look thru the TG of this Fractal Meshify C to see the PSU shroud looking sleek instead of the hole so I'm happy now. Without touching anything the DDC pump speed came out to be at 2103 rpms vs the D5's 1385 rpms but I noticed that the operating temps were holding in the same range so left as set.
The 120\240 radiator combo is proving to be more than up to the job of keeping all cooled w\o a lot of fan RPM's so the 240 radiator will be in for the long haul.
Now I can really say it's done!
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Hi All,
Here is a picture provided below of Team Red's internal layout after the pump change out in it's final form (I had forgot to take this picture at the time when I made the swapout....):
So far this box is running very well. The AMD Rx Vega 64 8Gb graphics card is a very strong vid card and is capable of much more performance but you WILL need to use a custom loop watercooling solution to tame the heat output to be able to use the power necessary to get all she can deliver....and a decent PSU to deliver this power. In fact, from all my testing to date, this GPU has shown to capably handle loads that will cause this Ryzen 7 1800X CPU to falter on....every time I have caught the ingame FPS dropping off the 90 FPS mark I have found this Vega GPU running at 75%-77% but the Ryzen CPU had at least 1 of the assigned CPU cores running the game at 100% usage & another 1 at 65%-75% usage. As soon as the CPU core loads dropped off the 100% usage mark the ingame FPS instantly went back to 90 FPS and stayed there........and all this w\ temps staying on the GPU below 50*C (normal range between 45*C-48*C) and CPU temp range below 56*C (normal range between 50*C-54*C) running a very high graphics rendering load on the GPU so the performance capability is there to be had.........
The DDC pump turned out to be a perfect match to this system over the D5 pump....not that this D5 was inferior, far from it....the D5 was actually way more pump than was needed which put it into operating conditions that it didn't need to be in to maintain a good service life (was turning far too slow which would cause issues w\ pump consistency\current regulation so to correct this issue the pump would over circulate the liquid flow thru the system causing the temps to run higher than they needed to which would cause the cooling fans to spin faster than they needed to....the DDC pump corrected all this when dialed in around 1850-1950 RPM's vs the D5 having to run at 1020-1350 RPM's just to level out the pump speeds but over circulate liquid flow).
In closing I'm very happy w\ Team Red's performance and her appearance......for my very 1st custom watercooled setup.
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Looks like a nice setup and very well thought out, as usual Pudgie! :aok
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Looks like a nice setup and very well thought out, as usual Pudgie! :aok
Thanks, DaddyAce!
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Update after 5 months running:
Team Red is running very well since the EKWB DDC 3.2 pump install. Haven't had to do anything to her since.....all runs well and w\o issue.
After running her a while I did make a fan cooling profile change to the 120mm rear radiator fan (EKWB 120mm EVO Hi-Static) to increase it's ramp up speed on temp increases (this rear radiator gets the coolant output flow from the RX Vega 64 vid card before it goes to the CPU, using CPU temps to control rear rad fan speed ops....did this since I flashed the vBIOS from XFX stock Vega to the XFX Liquid-Cooled Vega which increased the voltage output to the GPU\mem). Left all else as originally set.
This move really put Team Red into prime time operation now as my Ryzen 7 1800X CPU rarely goes over 48*C w\ rear 120mm rad fan speeds hovering around 1142-1324 RPM's, the front 240mm radiator fans (also 2-EKWB 120mm EVO Hi-Static) rarely spin up from the min set speeds of 942 RPM's so the RX Vega 64 runs around the 42*C-46*C range using a pretty aggressive game\driver graphics profile.
All else is operating fine.
Haven't been flying much lately due to working on my front lawn (leveled out, reworked sprinkler system and laid turf...fake grass), side yard (doing the same as front yard) then working on my 2nd retirement present ('09 Ford Mustang GT 45th Anniversary Glass Top Edition w\ 4.6L V8 and Ford Tremec TR 3650 5-speed manual trans black on black). Got front yard completed, Mustang almost complete (got a few more mods\upgrades to install before she's where I want her to be) and side yard is currently in progress.
Once I get all this finished I'll be back to flying on a more regular "schedule"..............
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The next upgrades I have planned for Team Red will be an Intel Optane 2.5" SSD w\ M.2\U.2 adapter and cable and maybe a new Ryzen 7 2700X\2800X CPU. TBH I really don't need either of these (especially the SSD but that never stopped me before, the CPU upgrade has some merit as it will be faster than my current 1800X and at this time shows to MSRP for $389.95 which is less than what my 1800X listed for at launch) as my box is performing well but I really don't like how hot my Samsung 950 Pro 512Gb NVMe M.2 SSD is getting (M.2 slot is located below the vid card PCI-E x16 slot....SSD normally runs around 50*C-55*C) tis why the potential upgrade to Optane 2.5" mentioned earlier as the back side of my Fractal Design Meshify C case has excellent airflow for cooling.
Just posting to give an update on progress.
See ya up!
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Good to hear, Pudgie!
Hey, IS there a Ryzen 2800X? I haven't found/heard anything yet on it - just the 2700X.
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Good to hear, Pudgie!
Hey, IS there a Ryzen 2800X? I haven't found/heard anything yet on it - just the 2700X.
Hi Oboe,
No, only officially the Ryzen 7 2700X......
The rest is me hoping that the fake rumor of the Ryzen 7 2800X 12 core\24 thread AM4 CPU somehow became real............... :D
But if that did happen it would essentially severly hurt the Threadripper series CPU's so most likely not gonna happen.
But the specs of the 2700X do look pretty good as well as the suggested MSRP of $389.95....................
But it never hurts to dream.................
:lol
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a 2800x would at best be a selected chip with higher clockspeeds than 2700x
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Well it's been a little over a year on ole Team Red and to date she's still running along just peachy!
The EKWB\XSPC watercooling setup has been stellar.....performing excellent w\ no issues or hiccups since swapping out the D5 pump w\ the DDC pump w\ no loss of any coolant at this time. Coolant is in excellent condition w\ no clouding, no growth and no sediment\pigment separation so all is going good there.
The AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU has been a solid, consistent performer on this Gigabyte GA-A370X K5 mobo as well as the XFX Radeon RX Vega64 8Gb graphics card (w\ BIOS flashup to XFX Radeon RX Vega64 8Gb Liquid Cooled BIOS) which has been running very well under this BIOS so far to date. The watercooling system has handled this card well, rarely getting over 42*C-45*C operating temps while rendering a fairly heavy graphics setting load. I had been running Adrenalin 18.5.3 drivers for quite some time but just recently upgraded to Adrenalin 18.9.3 drivers......man I missed something along the way (been spending a LOT of time w\ my other retirement present since I got both my yards redone.....working on\modding & tuning my '09 Ford Mustang GT 45th Anniversary Glass Top 5-speed manual and attending weddings over the summer-seems that everybody in our families wants to get married this year so been OOT as well) but it is evident that AMD has figured out some driver tweaking\optimization since the 18.5.3 drivers as this RX Vega 64 8Gb vid card using the exact same graphics settings prior is running AHIII at same consistent 90 FPS but GPU speeds are MUCH lower now ingame than before....some 500-600 MHz lower (1347 MHz avg to 767 MHz avg) w\ mem speeds also down from 945 MHz to 500 MHz so this is a good surprise to see!
Been looking at the progress of the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X CPU and have noted the pricing is starting to drop on these some so I might consider getting 1 to pick up some extra CPU core speed and efficiency over my Ryzen 7 1800X CPU in the near future (have already flashed mobo UEFI to latest vers to accommodate the new Ryzens on my mobo).
The only issue w\ this setup that I ran into was w\ Win 10 ver 1809 somehow on it's own resetting the Windows Time service from automatic to manual (which started throwing off the mobo UEFI clock when Win 10 was shutdown....wouldn't sync up w\ online time services so OS would lose time then write the wrong time to UEFI thru cache when shut down throwing everything off). Found my mobo's batt was getting a little low on power in the process of TS'ing so replaced this as well as reset the service back to automatic....all is working fine since but this was weird.....1st time ever experiencing this happening on a PC. This occurred while the system was restarted after being shut down for a few days while we were OOT attending 1 of the weddings this summer.
All in all ole Team Red has been a winner. This Fractal Design Meshify C case is worth it in spades, an excellent case w\ good airflow capability to house a powerful system in a small footprint that has some eye appeal to go w\ it.
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I have only one question, how cost effective is this rig? If you spent the same money on an Intel/nVida rig, which would be faster? If you built an Intel/nVida rig with similar performance, how much would it cost? As I understand it, the AMD rig would save some money on the cpu side, but you lose performance and/or money to the nVida gpu lineup. I have come across a lot of games that were optimized for nVidia. Its not fair, but that is the reality, "the way its meant to be played". My principal application is DCS World with and without Oculus Rift. My current rig has been and apparently will be adequate for a while. But I have been looking to the future and keep waiting for AMD to release something that really blows away the competition in performance and/or price... such as the Radeon 9700 Pro/9800 Pro and the AMD Athlon 64 way back when. For gaming Ryzen seems to break even on performance but have a slight price advantage. But none of the AMD Radeon gpus can match nVidia's top tier cards in price or performance.
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2700X may gain small additional gaming performance due to reduced internal latencies and better clockrates but I'd actually wait for a Zen2 based CPU next year.
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2700X may gain small additional gaming performance due to reduced internal latencies and better clockrates but I'd actually wait for a Zen2 based CPU next year.
After reading up on the capabilities of zen2 cpu's recently...…...think I'll wait on 'em as you've suggested...……... :aok
I averted a potential catastrophic event w\ ole Team-Red as I caught my ole Corsair TX850W V2 PSU finally breaking down on me before it was able to take out my system (started getting some random power shutdowns across the PCI-E rails to my vid card and CPU 12v+ rail started getting unstable causing some issues w\ CPU shutting down erratically) so I shut her down until I got the new PSU ordered and delivered:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151215
Got all swapped out Sunday and running fine w\ no signs of wear\damage to any of the components so Team-Red is back in the saddle again!
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Have to say that the Corsair PSU served me well...…...bought and initially installed it in my then new Intel X79 system build on 5-13-12 and it's been run hard thru 3 full system upgrades over 6 yrs of operation time so I can't complain...............
While in the process of swapping out the PSU I also drained out, flushed and refilled the watercooling loop since I had to remove the reservoir to access the main mobo PSU power plug. Noted that the coolant was showing early signs of breaking down (had turned a dull red color instead of the bright red color of fresh coolant....using the EKWB Blood Red Cryofuel Concentrate w\ 900mL of distilled water) after a year of hard running usage but none of the blocks, pump, tubing or reservoir showed any signs of any growth forming anywhere so all was good. Reloaded system w\ a fresh mix of coolant so she's good for another year.
Just so you know I ran my system thru SeaSonic's PSU Wattage Calculator w\ CPU and vid card set for full speed\power settings along w\ full component loadout (including my WC loop) over a 8 hr run cycle (which it will never hit) and calculator estimated maximum power wattage usage at 699W so it recommended to use a 850W PSU.................
Gonna like the 12 yr warranty that comes w\ this sucker!
:D
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