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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AAIK on August 16, 2017, 10:43:59 AM
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It seems its become "socially" acceptible to bomb and bail these days.
What is going on?
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It seems its become "socially" acceptible to bomb and bail these days.
What is going on?
Some people have been doing this since the beginning of Aces High going Live
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Some people have been doing this since the beginning of Aces High going Live
I have seen more in the past few months/year then I have in the entire time I have played.
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Noticed this last night, I was hovering around 15K over my countries city and noticed some enemy B24's over it. I started to head towards them and noticed them making their drop from afar, but by the time I got close within the "proxy range" they had already dropped/bailed. Unfortunate, and I did not record it. :bhead
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It's been "becoming more popular" since about 2000 or so.
It's always been around, there are just times where you seem to run into a bunch of them over a short period. Just the way things are. I don't think people who disliked it before are gradually becoming ok with it.
Wiley.
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Noticed this last night, I was hovering around 15K over my countries city and noticed some enemy B24's over it. I started to head towards them and noticed them making their drop from afar, but by the time I got close within the "proxy range" they had already dropped/bailed. Unfortunate, and I did not record it. :bhead
What would be accomplished from recording it?
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What would be accomplished from recording it?
People get to name the person and feel superior to them. Maybe even name them on channel or the forums! It's very exciting when it happens, and it greatly impacts the person's gameplay style once they've been shamed. Really! :rolleyes:
Wiley.
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I could do this and become (in)famous? :old:
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And why are we not shaming people who auger their fighter\bomber to cut out the time it would take to RTB and land before moving to a field under attack that needs uppers ASAP? You are gaming the guys attacking an undefended field they think they will overwhelm and not have to fight for. If it mattered to Hitech he wouldn't allow bombing and bailing or augering and defending. What about all those fighter guys who might be missing the chance to get a kill on one of those augering defenders who chose not to spend the time to RTB? What about all those tankers who are suddenly alone because the enemy bails to go defend a field? What about their potential kills?
Next thing someone is going to wish for cockpit nanny's that report your name and indiscretion on text to shame you into proper group think for the granny nanny's of this game.
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I just wish the idiots that do this would go offline, or setup their own arenas in the free area where they can go and take undefended bases and bomb towns without any worry of people attacking them.
The game actually has these things built in so you don't have to ruin a perfectly good combat arena with your timid and anti-social behavior.
:bolt:
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And why are we not shaming people who auger their fighter\bomber to cut out the time it would take to RTB and land before moving to a field under attack that needs uppers ASAP? You are gaming the guys attacking an undefended field they think they will overwhelm and not have to fight for. If it mattered to Hitech he wouldn't allow bombing and bailing or augering and defending. What about all those fighter guys who might be missing the chance to get a kill on one of those augering defenders who chose not to spend the time to RTB? What about all those tankers who are suddenly alone because the enemy bails to go defend a field? What about their potential kills?
Next thing someone is going to wish for cockpit nanny's that report your name and indiscretion on text to shame you into proper group think for the granny nanny's of this game.
^This! (I've always appreciated Bustr's perspective.)
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And why are we not shaming people who auger their fighter\bomber to cut out the time it would take to RTB and land before moving to a field under attack that needs uppers ASAP?
I am pretty sure we will if things keep progressing in future.
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Maybe they should be taught how to gun those big girls.
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Maybe they should be taught how to gun those big girls.
Now, that sounds more creative than the 'shame-game.' :aok
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I haven't had a bomber bail on me all year...
This whole thread is troll bait....
IN :aok :aok
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I think people don't feel their time is worth it heading home to land. That might be the biggest problem.
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I am pretty sure we will if things keep progressing in future.
If the "we" includes me then no, "we" won't in the future.
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I haven't had a bomber bail on me all year...
This whole thread is troll bait....
IN :aok :aok
+1
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People complain about vulching, hoing, picking, running and etc because they don't fit the most ideal situation of fairness. As long as people's desire for fairness exists, complaints about differing behaviour will arise. This bombing and bailing doesn't fit in with the intercepting scheme of things.
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See rule #4
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I could do this and become (in)famous? :old:
In order to do that you'd have to reinstate your account....so does that mean your thinking of coming back to us, o' prodigal son.
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Account active. "Guth." :D
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What would be accomplished from recording it?
Naming and shaming, it really gets to them as well. I had one (TKO I think) threaten me after seeing the post on the BBS :devil - made my day.
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Naming and shaming, it really gets to them as well. I had one (TKO I think) threaten me after seeing the post on the BBS :devil - made my day.
Shouldn't have.
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I really don't think it's a matter of being worried about personal score or avoiding combat, I just don't think people want to fly an additional 20-40 minutes after dropping their load.
I don't know how you combat this. Maybe HTC could code it so if you bail from or lawndart a bomber without battle damage the previous sortie isn't scored and you will not receive any perks. Maybe your penalized and have perks deducted?
Problem with that is it does nothing to deter people that don't care about score, and/or have so many perks it doesn't matter. How about this? Bail out of or intentionally crash an undamaged aircraft (in enemy territory), a 60 minute 25 ENY restriction is placed on the player for all aircraft and vehicles?
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How about this? Bail out of or intentionally crash an undamaged aircraft (in enemy territory), a 60 minute 25 ENY restriction is placed on the player for all aircraft and vehicles?
Nice idea, but how do you determine intent? How do you avoid punishing the incompetent?
Wiley.
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Imagine if players had to bail out for every position on a plane/flight. That'd be 30 bailouts a B-17 flight. Imagine if end flight/suicide from a chute was disabled. Just went from 3 targets to 30. :D
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Nice idea, but how do you determine intent? How do you avoid punishing the incompetent?
Wiley.
You're right, we shouldn't do that. I need my 50 perks last night when I took off an AR234 without RATOs from a high alt base fully loaded and crashed shortly after takeoff. The game shouldn't punish me for being dumb! :old:
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Single player: Mr. Hitech here's your $14.95 so I can have access to your game that I can do anything I want for my $14.95 as stipulated in the terms of the contract agreement.
Never happy Nanny Players: Hitech we demand you smash that player's big toe with a 10lb sledge hammer to show him we are the boss of your game because he is not breaking any of your rules!! We just don't like how he is playing by your rules. Our $14.95 is better than his $14.95, you can see that can't you?????
Guess they are paying Hitech in 99.99% pure gold one full year at a time with a case of Cragganmore as a sweeter at Christmas. Kind of makes everyone else's measly $14.95 credit card transfer look pale.....
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You're right, we shouldn't do that. I need my 50 perks last night when I took off an AR234 without RATOs from a high alt base fully loaded and crashed shortly after takeoff. The game shouldn't punish me for being dumb! :old:
Nice idea, but how do you determine intent? How do you avoid punishing the incompetent?
Wiley.
Code it so if you bail or crash an undamaged aircraft outside out a friendly radar ring the ENY penalty takes place.
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Code it so if you bail or crash an undamaged aircraft outside out a friendly radar ring the ENY penalty takes place.
So... punish the incompetent. It's not uncommon in a stallfight on the deck to crash without getting shot.
Wiley.
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So... punish the incompetent. It's not uncommon in a stallfight on the deck to crash without getting shot.
Wiley.
I thought we were talking about bombers here?
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I thought we were talking about bombers here?
Oh, ok. In that case, what prevents him from flying through ack, getting hit, then crashing?
Wiley.
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I really don't think it's a matter of being worried about personal score or avoiding combat, I just don't think people want to fly an additional 20-40 minutes after dropping their load.
That is not my experience. 90% of the time I have climbed and been in position to intercept buffs before they drop. The last time a guy bailed is a perfectly average encounter for me, when on Monday at 30k, a buff is about 5 minutes from his drop when I obtain Icon range on his dead high 12 and the instant that happens, poof he bails.
I do not want players to be shamed for bailing, but know this. I film every sortie and when you bail on me I review the film and I know who you were. I don't PM you about it in the game or here on the boards. You, (the bailer) know you did it, and I know you did it. In my opinion it's poor sportsmanship and that's how I will think of you for a long, long time. Should you pass away and your people are fondly reminiscing about you, I shall be silent and remember you as this type of person.
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Oh, ok. In that case, what prevents him from flying through ack, getting hit, then crashing?
Wiley.
Re-read my suggestion. I said bailing or crashing undamaged aircraft.
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That is not my experience. 90% of the time I have climbed and been in position to intercept buffs before they drop. The last time a guy bailed is a perfectly average encounter for me, when on Monday at 30k, a buff is about 5 minutes from his drop when I obtain Icon range on his dead high 12 and the instant that happens, poof he bails.
I do not want players to be shamed for bailing, but know this. I film every sortie and when you bail on me I review the film and I know who you were. I don't PM you about it in the game or here on the boards. You, (the bailer) know you did it, and I know you did it. In my opinion it's poor sportsmanship and that's how I will think of you for a long, long time. Should you pass away and your people are fondly reminiscing about you, I shall be silent and remember you as this type of person.
In my personal experience when I bomb and bail it's because I don't feel like flying back all that way when I can be back in action with enter three times.
The only thing I can think of that would deter me from doing that is the ENY penalty.
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Re-read my suggestion. I said bailing or crashing undamaged aircraft.
Exactly. How does it improve the situation if he suicides after being intentionally pinged by ack?
Wiley.
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That is not my experience. 90% of the time I have climbed and been in position to intercept buffs before they drop. The last time a guy bailed is a perfectly average encounter for me, when on Monday at 30k, a buff is about 5 minutes from his drop when I obtain Icon range on his dead high 12 and the instant that happens, poof he bails.
I do not want players to be shamed for bailing, but know this. I film every sortie and when you bail on me I review the film and I know who you were. I don't PM you about it in the game or here on the boards. You, (the bailer) know you did it, and I know you did it. In my opinion it's poor sportsmanship and that's how I will think of you for a long, long time. Should you pass away and your people are fondly reminiscing about you, I shall be silent and remember you as this type of person.
In the old days "shaming" is what worked and did away.... some what of this lame type of paly. Of course back then people had class, honor, and pride in doing well. Players didnt want to get a poor reputation and when called out for lame play soon learned not to.
Today most people play and have learned that they can hide behind their computer screens and dont care about a reputation. If it gets bad enough to bother them, they just change their name and start over again. No class, no honor, no pride in playing a game well.
My have the times changed.
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Easy solution and that's to give kills to the closest person in icon range when someone bails without damage.
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Easy solution and that's to give kills to the closest person in icon range when someone bails without damage.
That doesn't solve the problem. I BOMB AND BAIL sometimes. I could care less about getting killed instead of captured. When I bomb and bail, it's because I just flew an hour to someone's city and I don't feel like flying all the way back when I can just hit enter three times and be back in the air with a fresh set of ords in seconds.
The only deterrent for someone like me is would be penalizing my gameplay ability, ie ENY restrictions across the board for a set period of time. If there was a fair way to make that happen, and I knew I was going to be stuck with a ENY 25 + ride for the next 60 minutes of game time I likely wouldn't bomb and bail. Actually I don't mind flying ENY 25 planes, so it likely wouldn't stop me, but it might stop others =)
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It really doesn't bother me anymore. If they do not want to learn how to fly a bomber and defend it then there is nothing you can do about it. There is also no way they will improve or affect any other teams game play at all. The place they bomb, and probably miss, will be fully up before they clear the chute. LOLOLOLOLOL
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It really doesn't bother me anymore. If they do not want to learn how to fly a bomber and defend it then there is nothing you can do about it. There is also no way they will improve or affect any other teams game play at all. The place they bomb, and probably miss, will be fully up before they clear the chute. LOLOLOLOLOL
Hard to miss a strat.
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Hard to miss a strat.
Not if they're bailing before the drop because its defended by an intuitive fighter jock.
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Okay...Award kills to closest enemy fighter, I mean that's a no brainer IMO, but it will hardly have an impact on BnB.
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It seems its become "socially" acceptible to bomb and bail these days.
What is going on?
You are spamming this forum with stupid whining posts.
It's my 15$, why would you care ? get a life dude, don't teach people how to spend their $$.
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The excuse that you want to get back into the action right away is lame, you know how long it will take you to get to target and its even faster to get home. Account for that if you are going to bomb another team. Some of us are trying to have a decent gaming experience here and you are wasting our time and enjoyment, if I wanted to climb for 20 minutes for no reason I'd play Microsoft Flight Simulator. You say its their $15 they should be able to bomb and bail, its my $15 too, I should be rewarded for intercepting the bombers. Giving a kill to the nearest interceptor wont stop bomb and bailers but it will likely stop the complaints about it as the interceptor atleast gets some kind of gratification for his mission even if it doesnt count towards score. It needs to hurt the bailers score more by counting as a death instead of a bail, most times they arent bailing to save time, they'd land if no one was near them. They are bailing to troll the interceptors, they know full well what the proxy range is and wait until the last second.
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Perk the drones to give some incentive for bringing them back.
Lead plane for free, drones for a small perk tag each.
This has always been the simplest solution for several MA unwanted behaviours of bombers. If a player wants to bomb&bail or kamikaze the fleet, or carpet bomb GVs, or play mobile acks - he should pay the perks or fly a single bomber. Bring back your drones and they cost you nothing.
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Could this kind of behaviour be considered griefing?
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Drone perks would be welcome by me, I think many more things in the game need to be perked, would be nice to see a variety of planes in MA. I can't see a change like that happening after so many years though. I think we would see alot more quality of life improvements if the devs played the game.
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I think we would see alot more quality of life improvements if the devs played the game.
Agreed, spot on.
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I think we would see alot more quality of life improvements if the devs played the game.
Who says they don't...
Agreed, spot on.
Could this kind of behaviour be considered griefing?
Your a troll....
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Could this kind of behaviour be considered griefing?
Absolutely NOT.
HiTech
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It seems its become "socially" acceptible to bomb and bail these days.
What is going on?
Not this again. Let it go.... :salute
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I'd like to see bailed pilots unable to end their sortie until they touch down (or are killed). I'd like to see them get the same "You must be stopped to end your sortie" message that pilots get.
I think the devs do play the game, and have since the beginning. They have a different perspective though, so might not agree with our assessment of problems or proposed solutions, or just may take a long time to address what we think are issues. I think they always have a lot of things to deal with or work on.
I do like bozon's suggestion of perking bomber drones.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
Methods #2:
Actions undertaken to waste other players' time. For example, when losing in a turn-based game, a player may play as slowly as possible. In other games, they may hide from an enemy when there is no tactical benefit in doing so.
It sure wastes the time of any interceptor in its current state.
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Code it so if you bail or crash an undamaged aircraft outside out a friendly radar ring the ENY penalty takes place.
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The excuse that you want to get back into the action right away is lame, you know how long it will take you to get to target and its even faster to get home. Account for that if you are going to bomb another team. Some of us are trying to have a decent gaming experience here and you are wasting our time and enjoyment, if I wanted to climb for 20 minutes for no reason I'd play Microsoft Flight Simulator. You say its their $15 they should be able to bomb and bail, its my $15 too, I should be rewarded for intercepting the bombers. Giving a kill to the nearest interceptor wont stop bomb and bailers but it will likely stop the complaints about it as the interceptor atleast gets some kind of gratification for his mission even if it doesnt count towards score. It needs to hurt the bailers score more by counting as a death instead of a bail, most times they arent bailing to save time, they'd land if no one was near them. They are bailing to troll the interceptors, they know full well what the proxy range is and wait until the last second.
You think you deserve a reward for "intercepting" a Buff AFTER he's drop his load on your team mates? :rofl
If you want to kill buffs and don't want them to bail on you, you are free to intercept them before they get to target. Try playing smarter instead of whining that you got to them when their mission was over and they chose to end it instead of having you do it for them. :salute
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You think you deserve a reward for "intercepting" a Buff AFTER he's drop his load on your team mates? :rofl
If you want to kill buffs and don't want them to bail on you, you are free to intercept them before they get to target. Try playing smarter instead of whining that you got to them when their mission was over and they chose to end it instead of having you do it for them. :salute
I think it should be more about reward than punishment.
If a bomb and bailed gets to spend his $15 bailing a perfectly good plane, the interceptor, whether before bomb drop or after should at least get the kill. After all he is spending HIS $15 to chase down and engage the "enemy".
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I think it should be more about reward than punishment.
If a bomb and bailed gets to spend his $15 bailing a perfectly good plane, the interceptor, whether before bomb drop or after should at least get the kill. After all he is spending HIS $15 to chase down and engage the "enemy".
My point is the interceptor failed! Bailing a strategy. In the time it takes to fly home and land, he can be back over the target. or in a GV with troops running to the town he just flattened. Watch the dar, choose wisely, intercept before they drop; That's good game play.
My point is talking about rewards for failed game play is just silly. It's based on the premise that you are deserving of a target to kill. You aren't. You have to earn their engagement by getting yourself between the enemy and his objective. YOU MAY NOT BE HIS OBJECTIVE.
I kill a lot of buffs and I don't spend a lot of time chasing empty ones back to their territory. A flying empty buff is no threat. The incoming buff will shut down my base and bomb the GVs out of the town I'm defending. He wants to get to target so he's not going to bail. I'm between him and his objective.
Play Smarter. Play better. :salute
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Just make the chute static line so it opens immediately. The bailer then gets to float down from 25k while the interceptor makes gun passes and taunting gestures. :D
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Play Smarter. Play better. :salute
That is a pretty good signature line, Vink!
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Bomb-n-bail players never are at 25k, they're always at 3-7k above the airfield. Usually, B-26's.
It's a tactic that can be annoying, it's definitely not griefing. A good cap setup above a field will intercept LLB's well before they have a chance to drop their ord.
What I sometimes find annoying, is that I intercept and they bail immediately knowing that they're about to be blown out of the sky just as I'm about to pounce on them.
But so what. If I'm flying, and a town needs a M3 driver with troops, I'll lawndart and up the M3 rather than return and land my kills. It's a game bruh. It's a freakin game.
(and it's one we all luv :)
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Play Smarter. Play better. :salute
I don't play to "play smart", I play to have fun. Maybe my fun is to shoot down buffs. Maybe I dont care if they are empty or full, I just want to shoot them down.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Give the guy the kill for a bailer. He took the time to go after him, he should get something. Reward him for that time that was wasted by someone who prefers to bail than fight.
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Play funner? Better fun?
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oh im having too much fun as it is! :x
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I prefer to hit buffs before they drop but giving them a free pass home just because they dropped before you could intercept them sends the wrong message.
I make sure anyone who bombs my side eats lead even if I have to fly NOE to their intending landing field and vulch them on landing.
If I'm chasing B29s, I might even kill the dar at 4 fields 15 minutes before they arrive to land............just so I can stalk them NOE over land and not show a dar dot.
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I'm pretty sure in WWII the Germans allowed the allies to fly home unscathed after they dropped bombs on their population centers because there's no point in shooting down an empty bomber.
Allied pilots also bailed out a lot because it was quicker than flying home.
So +1 for realism! I love this sim!!!
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I'm pretty sure in WWII the Germans allowed the allies to fly home unscathed after they dropped bombs on their population centers because there's no point in shooting down an empty bomber.
Allied pilots also bailed out a lot because it was quicker than flying home.
So +1 for realism! I love this sim!!!
Respectfully, they'd shoot that bomber down so it wouldn't come back tomorrow. There's no reason to shoot down an empty bomber here other than it's there. With that said, that's the reason most enemy planes get shot down in this game, is because they're there.
Wiley.
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Respectfully, they'd shoot that bomber down so it wouldn't come back tomorrow. There's no reason to shoot down an empty bomber here other than it's there. With that said, that's the reason most enemy planes get shot down in this game, is because they're there.
Wiley.
Well apart from the 15 minutes+ you just spent getting to 30k alt. That's a good reason to try to shoot down a bomber other than its "just there".
Even a Ta152 or G14 has significant issues dealing with 30k+ bombers, its not easy to fly around and keep alt / speed up there and the bombers have the advantage.
Bailing is poor sportsmanship. If you didn't want to fly home in that buff then don't up it, if you have the attention span of a gnat go to the closest furball instead. Frankly if you have spent at least an hour in a buff getting to that sort of alt you can't claim the 10 minutes descent to get home as overly onerous and the more likely reason you're bailing is to annoy the fighter(s) that upped and to avoid having your score damaged by losses.
Edit: Heh the buff I was just intercepting over aa strat bailed while I was posting that :) bad Gruesome, gonna bail now too
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I don't play to "play smart", I play to have fun. Maybe my fun is to shoot down buffs. Maybe I dont care if they are empty or full, I just want to shoot them down.
That's the point I'm trying to make. Give the guy the kill for a bailer. He took the time to go after him, he should get something. Reward him for that time that was wasted by someone who prefers to bail than fight.
Fugi isn't this circular? By smarter I mean put some thought into your choices of where and when you up so you can intercept buffs on the way in, instead of reacting to dar circle buffs that have dropped by the time you get to alt and then bail because there is nothing left to do but get shot down.
If what you say is true, that the fun is shooting them down, what good is being credited with kills if you never got close or fired a shot? Kill credits are a substitute for the fun of shooting down a plane? And...Kill credits will not stop people from bailing because they already get three deaths, and their score is not effected by whether you get a kill or not. So kill credits does not give you what you asked for = FUN :salute
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If you're defending a strat and you didn't see a dot slowly ooze toward your strat from an enemy rear field, then you should assume it is low.
It takes closer to an hour to climb an super heavily loaded buff to 30,000 feet and it moves forward below 200mph.
If a strat suddenly comes under attack without the raging clue of a dar bar moving toward it over the course of an hour, then you should perform your intercept in the belief that they are low.
This is best done upping a fast and heavily armed fighter and flying it NOE to the strat.
If you generate a dar bar on the way, they will surely bail before you get there.
What you accomplish is often landing hits before they know you are there......if you fly low enough to obscure your icon.
If they bail then, you still get the kills and they are just as dead.
If it turns out they are at 30k, even a LA7 can climb up to 30k.......as long as your NOE trip out to the strat is done at reduced power in the interest of fuel economy.
I've hit bombers at 30k with an I16.........just haven't gotten a good intercept run on a B29 yet in the I16.
You can "catch B29s" that are above 25k feet even with a 110g if you know how to psych the b29 driver into descending for more speed simply by staying relatively close.
I often find them missing control surfaces when I catch up if they don't bail because of the damage/fear.
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Fugi isn't this circular? By smarter I mean put some thought into your choices of where and when you up so you can intercept buffs on the way in, instead of reacting to dar circle buffs that have dropped by the time you get to alt and then bail because there is nothing left to do but get shot down.
If what you say is true, that the fun is shooting them down, what good is being credited with kills if you never got close or fired a shot? Kill credits are a substitute for the fun of shooting down a plane? And...Kill credits will not stop people from bailing because they already get three deaths, and their score is not effected by whether you get a kill or not. So kill credits does not give you what you asked for = FUN :salute
I don't hunt buffs. If I come across then I will certainly go after them, heavy or not. Studying the map, watching for moving far bars, climbing ro stupid alts is not my idea of fun. However it is what some players like to do, also added to the kill count is another thing people like to do. It doesnt matter how the kills are racked up, or the spawn camps and vulch runs wouldn't be so popular.
There are a lot of people who get ticked off when buffs bomb and bail. Give them the kill for at least taking the time and effort of going after the buffs.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
Methods #2:
Actions undertaken to waste other players' time. For example, when losing in a turn-based game, a player may play as slowly as possible. In other games, they may hide from an enemy when there is no tactical benefit in doing so.
It sure wastes the time of any interceptor in its current state.
+1, most definitely wasting another players time, I go after strat bomb and bailers, I dont really see too many problems with short range bomb and bailers as they are low alt and in proxy range so they don't bail, a player is usually within 2.5k when they are hitting a town or porking a base. Strat bombers are going full speed at 20+k and its not easy to get to them before they release if they are smart about their approach, and if you don't they are highly likely to bail before you get within proxy range. I'll stop bothering to record them as it appears HiTech himself considers this to be ok behavior.
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Btw the premises of this thread is also a fallacy.
If some one cares to do a search to try find my solution to this issue (which was rejected by most) along with suicide bombing. (thread was maby 8 years ago)
You will find a thread claiming the same as this one.
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Btw the premises of this thread is also a fallacy.
I don't understand, because there are multiple people complaining about this issue for 8+ years it is a fallacy? I don't understand the logic.
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If some one cares to do a search to try find my solution to this issue (which was rejected by most) along with suicide bombing. (thread was maby 8 years ago)
You will find a thread claiming the same as this one.
Found the post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71494.msg673964.html#msg673964
While I appreciate you putting forth an idea, I don't personally believe it would require that specific action to fix the issue. Bomb and Bailers would just wait 31 seconds before bailing. I think the kickback came because a change like that would affect people not intending to suicide or die after dropping their bombs. I think an easy solution for bailers would be to just increase the proxy range to visual range.
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If some one cares to do a search to try find my solution to this issue (which was rejected by most) along with suicide bombing. (thread was maby 8 years ago)
Have thought to suggest the same solution. Guess I won't need to. :D
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Imo, the only and best solution as to not impact the game is to let anyone within 6K of the bombers get the kill if they bail. If no one is around to notice the bailing bombers, it's no big deal. If there are fighters willing to spend their time to attack the bombers than they should not be forced to waste a sortie if the enemy bombers decides to cheaply bail to avoid getting shot down. The entire reason why they do it for the most part is to not reward the fighter will the kills. If the player gets the kills when they are in vis with the bombers, it will at least not waste their time as much. I think giving the fighters the kill will discourage bomb and bailers the most. I don't know if it can be easily coaded though.
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The other day I did a bombing run in some JU88's and had a fighter chase me 4 sectors back home. I was switching between cockpit and guns, changing my vectors and elevation, taking snapshots, and avoiding being shot down. It was a running gun battle all the way back to my base where I was promptly rewarded with PM's about the hacks I was using to outfly an FM2 in my 88's.
This fun would have never happened if I decided that I should just bail out because it's quicker than flying home and dealing with the possible loss of life.
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Happened to me last night - dude in a P-51 attacked our ordinance and then crashed on purpose - it's not all bombers that 'bomb-n-bail' - attack planes do it as well. P-51's, P-38's, P-47's, Corsairs, Tiffies, Mosquitoes, Bf-110's. Drop their ord - lawndart.
If ALL heavy bombs were perked - I think most would be more conservative with their approach to attacking an airfield. I.e. perk 500lb+ and up. Not much, just maybe 1 perk for a pair of 500lb. 2 for 1000. 5 for anything heavier. And you would probably want to merge the perk points into one - instead of individual craft streams we have now.
Would resolve ALL bomb-n-bail situations. Period.
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I think an easy solution for bailers would be to just increase the proxy range to visual range.
this would be a good start. is it closest visual range for bombers only? I think any airplane, closest 6k range, and most damage (how damage kill award works today is nice).
more proxies werk for me. a bail is a bail.
i see no issue with increase proxy range. :bolt:
<insert flame user thread> :eek:
:salute
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If I get my bombs out over the target and destroy it, my mission is completed right then. The trip home and a landing is just bonus perks. I'm not adverse to taking on some fighter jocks that think buffs are an easy kill, but I'm not going to waste 10 minutes waiting for you to catch up, climb over the top and finally engage.
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Agreed
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I do not want players to be shamed for bailing, but know this. I film every sortie and when you bail on me I review the film and I know who you were. I don't PM you about it in the game or here on the boards. You, (the bailer) know you did it, and I know you did it. In my opinion it's poor sportsmanship and that's how I will think of you for a long, long time. Should you pass away and your people are fondly reminiscing about you, I shall be silent and remember you as this type of person.
But they should be named and shamed. Bombing and bailing hurts the game, and some (by no means all) will amend their behavior if it becomes well known. I know of two teammates who no longer bomb and bail because I and others have scolded them for having done so.
You knowing who a bomb and bailer is and not respecting them will have no impact. A community knowing who a bomb and bailer is will potentially have a much greater impact.
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I don't understand, because there are multiple people complaining about this issue for 8+ years it is a fallacy? I don't understand the logic.
I think he means the premise that it is getting more popular. Bombing and bailing was just as popular back then as it is now. Nothing has changed. People have always and will always disrespect the game and other players by treating the game as an arcade or console game instead of as a flight simulator.
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But they should be named and shamed. Bombing and bailing hurts the game, and some (by no means all) will amend their behavior if it becomes well known. I know of two teammates who no longer bomb and bail because I and others have scolded them for having done so.
You knowing who a bomb and bailer is and not respecting them will have no impact. A community knowing who a bomb and bailer is will potentially have a much greater impact.
If you can get to them before they drop and ping each one, then go back to base, land and take a break you'll almost always get 3 kills by the time you get back from coffee smoke lol. Screenshot and post it here in a Bombing and Bailing thread.
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Happened to me last night - dude in a P-51 attacked our ordinance and then crashed on purpose - it's not all bombers that 'bomb-n-bail' - attack planes do it as well. P-51's, P-38's, P-47's, Corsairs, Tiffies, Mosquitoes, Bf-110's. Drop their ord - lawndart.
This is where I favor HT's idea to limit the effect of a suicide attack. Not sure of the details of his idea, but I would like to see downtime affected if the attacker dies within 30 (?) seconds of destroying an object. Award 1/2 of the downtime when the object is destroyed, and 1/2 IF the attacker is still alive 30 (?) seconds later. This would at least mitigate the effect of those who deliberately lawndart, and of the smoking Spitfire who kills radar as his "last act of defiance".
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(https://i.imgur.com/MkfW7w8.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/MkfW7w8.png)
:rofl
Here's the thing. If you can do something in game, who really gives a fluff? I mean, if I want to up a Lancaster, fly at 500 feet above ground just so I can lawndart into a hanger, who cares?
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(https://i.imgur.com/MkfW7w8.png)
:rofl Makes me wish I had a 3D printer...
Wiley.
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https://zortrax.com/printers/zortrax-m200/ :D