It is 18,000 feet down somewhere in the Phillipine Sea. The survivors probably drifted quite a ways from the spot it sank.
Quint will fill you in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9S41Kplsbs
Yea i know but its one of the things you really never think about. Just like the plane wreckage of Isoroku Yamamoto. You would THINK something like that, may i say holds great value given the history, somebody would take that plane and perverse it. Nope, still stands to this day where it crashed, rotting away by the jungle environment and vegetation consuming it.
Neverless, it is another lost warship found and i am sure there will be great efforts to study her and why it sank so fast.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Shuffler on August 20, 2017, 12:02:11 AM
Yea i know but its one of the things you really never think about. Just like the plane wreckage of Isoroku Yamamoto. You would THINK something like that, may i say holds great value given the history, somebody would take that plane and perverse it. Nope, still stands to this day where it crashed, rotting away by the jungle environment and vegetation consuming it.
Neverless, it is another lost warship found and i am sure there will be great efforts to study her and why it sank so fast.
Just the history of what she delivered before she was sunk is reason enough to locate her.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 20, 2017, 01:06:29 PM
Yea i know but its one of the things you really never think about. Just like the plane wreckage of Isoroku Yamamoto. You would THINK something like that, may i say holds great value given the history, somebody would take that plane and perverse it. Nope, still stands to this day where it crashed, rotting away by the jungle environment and vegetation consuming it.
Neverless, it is another lost warship found and i am sure there will be great efforts to study her and why it sank so fast.
Part of the Betty wreckage that carried Yamamoto are in museums.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: oakranger on August 20, 2017, 02:23:16 PM
It is 18,000 feet down somewhere in the Phillipine Sea. The survivors probably drifted quite a ways from the spot it sank.
Quint will fill you in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9S41Kplsbs
Perhaps one of the most gripping tales ever told on film. Robert Shaw was considered at the time a historian expert on the Indianapolis - and he alibied the entire story sequence - - Peter Benchley didn't write that part in (the story of Quint in the water) and Shaw was given full reign to tell the story himself.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: DaveBB on August 20, 2017, 07:29:12 PM
Perhaps one of the most gripping tales ever told on film. Robert Shaw was considered at the time a historian expert on the Indianapolis - and he alibied the entire story sequence - - Peter Benchley didn't write that part in (the story of Quint in the water) and Shaw was given full reign to tell the story himself.
While it is great acting, Robert Shaw got almost everything wrong about the sinking of the Indianapolis. The Indianapolis was headed from Tinian to Leyte, it was headed from Guam to Leyte. 1100 men did not go in the water. Less than 900 made it off the ship. A distress signal was sent out, three different stations picked it up. The ship was destroyed on July 30, and Lt Gibson noted it did not arrive in Leyte on the 31st. He simply did not raise any alarms. Mainly it was the thought that a cruiser could not be sunk that late in the war that caused everyone to remain calm.
In a strange bit of irony, during the Aleutian campaign, a Japanese troop transport allegedly tried to surrender to the Indianapolis. The Indianapolis sank the transport and everyone on board was killed.
Watch the interview with this survivor. He gives a chilling detail of what really happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOAg3wCkOkI
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: tuba515 on August 22, 2017, 11:25:20 AM
USS Indianapolis: Men of Courage is a very good movie on the sinking and tells the story from both sided of the incident and the story of the two captains. I think you all would like it.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: icepac on August 22, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
If there were 1100 guys on the ship and it sank, then 1100 guys went into the water.
If you go down with the ship, you went into the water.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: wil3ur on August 22, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
They want to get the Philadelphia equipment off of it before North Korea finds it and learns how to teleport nukes. :noid
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: DaveBB on August 22, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
If there were 1100 guys on the ship and it sank, then 1100 guys went into the water.
If you go down with the ship, you went into the water.
That's not what that phrase means and you know it. It implies the person survive the sinking of the ship. "Going down with the ship" implies that the person was unable to get out of the ship and drowned.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Zoney on August 22, 2017, 05:02:10 PM
If there were 1100 guys on the ship and it sank, then 1100 guys went into the water.
If you go down with the ship, you went into the water.
Ummmm, I gotta go with Ice on this one. Everyone went in the water, alive, dead, with the ship or jumped off, they all went in the water.
Edit: Well, it seems Shaw's story could mean he thought that all of them went in the water possibly and therefore his phrasing. I've looked around and the phrase does not normally include those who did not get off the ship, but it was Shaw telling the story so it's his interpretation of the phrase that would really count in this case.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Serenity on August 22, 2017, 05:43:30 PM
Ummmm, I gotta go with Ice on this one. Everyone went in the water, alive, dead, with the ship or jumped off, they all went in the water.
Edit: Well, it seems Shaw's story could mean he thought that all of them went in the water possibly and therefore his phrasing. I've looked around and the phrase does not normally include those who did not get off the ship, but it was Shaw telling the story so it's his interpretation of the phrase that would really count in this case.
As someone somewhat culturally immersed in ships, their floating and sinking, "going into the water" means you have separated from your ship. A person who drowns in berthing did not go into the water. A person who first abandons ship then drowns, "went into the water" prior to drowning. A plane which was in the hangar bay of a ship when it sank did not go into the water. A plane which ditched or crashed into the ocean "went into the water". I've never encountered any other interpretation or meaning, and I've had a LOT of different people talk about a LOT of different ships lost in various ways.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: icepac on August 22, 2017, 05:58:18 PM
That works if the ship doesn't sink.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: DaveBB on August 22, 2017, 06:06:25 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Zoney on August 22, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
Allrightythen.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Serenity on August 22, 2017, 06:58:49 PM
If the ship sinks, and you drown aboard, you didn't go into the water, the water came in to you.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: icepac on August 22, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
C'mon......I'm just trying to bail out the great Robert Shaw.
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Mister Fork on August 23, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
[Irishaccent=on] Having grown up in a fishing village and spent me summers as a young feller fishing with my uncles and grandfathers, I know sea lingo.
If ya 'went into the water' - it's a phrase used to state that you, by choice, went into the ocean (aka you bloody jumped in.) Now, if da vessel you was was on 'went into the water', it meant it was launched from drydock into the water - dat's what happens when ya launch yer boat back into the water.
If you're on a ship, boat, dingy, and it sinks, and you didn't get out in time and died in the sinking, the correct lingo is "ya went down with da ship." Cept, if you're in a dingy, it sinks, and you're still in it when it goes under, by - I don't know what yer made of...rocks?
And if you still disagree, well, dere's no help for ya. [/irish accent=off]
:D
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: Serenity on August 23, 2017, 03:52:58 PM
[Irishaccent=on] Having grown up in a fishing village and spent me summers as a young feller fishing with my uncles and grandfathers, I know sea lingo.
If ya 'went into the water' - it's a phrase used to state that you, by choice, went into the ocean (aka you bloody jumped in.) Now, if da vessel you was was on 'went into the water', it meant it was launched from drydock into the water - dat's what happens when ya launch yer boat back into the water.
If you're on a ship, boat, dingy, and it sinks, and you didn't get out in time and died in the sinking, the correct lingo is "ya went down with da ship." Cept, if you're in a dingy, it sinks, and you're still in it when it goes under, by - I don't know what yer made of...rocks?
And if you still disagree, well, dere's no help for ya. [/irish accent=off]
:D
oi perticulahrly 'preeshyated de oIrish accent
Title: Re: Indianapolis wreckage found
Post by: BBQsam on August 23, 2017, 04:20:39 PM
The families of the Indianapolis crew will really appreciate this discovery.