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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Arlo on October 27, 2001, 01:06:00 PM
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With all this talk about scenarios, scenario groups, scenario settings ... and such .... anybody else here into the SCW?
Sure, it'd take a bit of modeling. I bet HT and Pyro would if there was enough interest behind it.
Forget the late war uberfantasy stuff! Let's visit "sunny" Spain and fly Chatos, Chirris, Moscas and 109 .... Bs. :D
(and "the gang" wonders why it took so long, I bet) (http://www.aire.org/gce/images/chato1_p.gif)
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Originally posted by Arlo:
fly Chatos, Chirris, Moscas and 109 .... Bs. :D
I would love to see a spanish Civil war planeset...but...
ALL the 109s from B to E (B,C,D and evne some Es very late in the war) saw some kind of service in Spain....
so it wont be only the 109.....B :D
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Perk planes. It's a different world.
Originally posted by R4M:
I would love to see a spanish Civil war planeset...but...
ALL the 109s from B to E (B,C,D and evne some Es very late in the war) saw some kind of service in Spain....
so it wont be only the 109.....B :D
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Dang Arlo, you never give up, do you ;).
Maybe HT will listen to you, EA sure didn't ;).
Cya Up!
Dawg
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"Quien Sabe?"
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It's on Tinker's ... I'll prolly have it on mine. ;)
Originally posted by BFD:
Dang Arlo, you never give up, do you ;).
Maybe HT will listen to you, EA sure didn't ;).
Cya Up!
Dawg
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With all this talk about scenarios, scenario groups, scenario settings ... and such .... anybody else here into the SCW?
OOOOHHH OOOHH! ME ME!
Aub
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Cousin Aub! Knew I could count on you. :)
Originally posted by Aub:
OOOOHHH OOOHH! ME ME!
Aub
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>>>anybody else here into the SCW?<<<
Well, you did ask. My answer is a big NO.
Southwest Pacific!!!!!! Wildcats, Warhawks and Zekes....oh my!
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Although I asked if anyone else was interested, that doesn't neccesarily mean I'd like everyone here to post "no" if they aren't. It's a "targeted thread" (fairly simple concept).
Thanks for showing enough interest to post your lack of interest, though, Steve. :)
Steven decided to muck up the thread by needlessly posting:
>>>anybody else here into the SCW?<<<
Well, you did ask. My answer is a big NO.
Southwest Pacific!!!!!! Wildcats, Warhawks and Zekes....oh my!
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Also .... feel free to post any related material. :)
(http://members.es.tripod.de/mrodval/LC90_A.JPG)
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I get to lead the Lincoln Log Brigade... :eek:
[ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: Otter ]
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You get HT to build the planes & we'll find a way to run it.
Good luck arlo.
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Thanks. < S > :)
First things first ... I better see if interest can be drummed up here. Those that already know about the Spanish Civil War and find it interesting, speak up! Those that don't know and are curious, ask! :)
I'll be posting pics and facts off and on. I don't pretend to be an authority, either. Anyone who has more or sees something that needs correcting is welcome.
Originally posted by Ghosth:
You get HT to build the planes & we'll find a way to run it.
Good luck arlo.
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Arlo,
Heh heh. I have an agenda for early-mid Pacific war aircraft and your topic was a very inviting place to spew my wants. Actually, I feel your pain. I'm coming to the conclusion that AH will always be a late-war Main Arena game and thus I keep one eye on the developing "Target Rabaul" with high hopes for that. I do think the SCW would be a nice addition, though I feel some other battles or timeframes are more worthy of inclusion before it. But it's not my game and the developers have their own vision and can do anything they want and I understand this. I do feel you'll have much better luck in getting your SCW after a few other historical topics are addressed first in the Aces High plane set....like early-mid war Pacific!
:)
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"This just in: Generalissimo Francisco Franco...is still dead."
This is what I think I know about the SCW, please correct me if I'm wrong, and fill in/expand any missing info.
Began in 1936, ended 1938? Fought between the Republicans and the Nationalists. Nazi Germany provided military assistance to one side (The Nationalists?) in the form of the Condor Legion, which flew He.51s and later Me109s. The first terror bombing of civilians took place, against the town of Guernica. Picasso did a famous painting of this incident, by the same title. I think the side led by Franco (Nationalists?) won the war?
You know, it might be worth checking over at WarBirds for interest also. I think they have a bigger early war fan base, and word has it that its very easy to add new objects and planes into WBIII, AND they are letting players do the submissions themselves, through the Player Development Corp. If you are really into it, it might be worth a try. I'd love to see it - it'd be a great proof of concept for WB3 to add a completely new scenario. Some of the German bombers developed for SCW (He.111, Do.17) could fill out WB's "almost there" BoB planeset. Plus, only $9.95/month for WB3.
Or, check out TargetWare. That's a community-based server project that'll license you the Targetware engine, and the communty does all the development work to bring the sim to life. There are two Targetware titles currently in development- Target:Korea, and Target:Rabaul.
Welcome to AH, sorry to hear about AW, good luck with your plans and ideas. Looking forward to seeing what this additional talent will bring to the communtiy and sim.
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Well .... to tell the truth, I, too, like the Early-Mid war Pacific setting. I was a blue bird freak long before I discovered the SCW. Perhaps some unity between our perspective goals is in order. After all, if one succeeds ... then the other is a step closer. :)
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Originally posted by Steven:
Arlo,
Heh heh. I have an agenda for early-mid Pacific war aircraft and your topic was a very inviting place to spew my wants. Actually, I feel your pain. I'm coming to the conclusion that AH will always be a late-war Main Arena game and thus I keep one eye on the developing "Target Rabaul" with high hopes for that. I do think the SCW would be a nice addition, though I feel some other battles or timeframes are more worthy of inclusion before it. But it's not my game and the developers have their own vision and can do anything they want and I understand this. I do feel you'll have much better luck in getting your SCW after a few other historical topics are addressed first in the Aces High plane set....like early-mid war Pacific!
:)
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You've got more of a familiarity with the subject than many I've talked to. :)
Your suggestion is worth looking into. I'd rather see it come to fruition here, though. Especially since here is where most of my AW friends (and my AW squad) will be hanging it's hat.
(I snipped the speech since I ended up posting it in it's own thread)
Originally posted by oboe:
"This just in: Generalissimo Francisco Franco...is still dead."
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Spanish Civil War (Aerial) Timeline
July-36
Spanish Civil War starts; Spanish Air Force splits. most of the 60 Breguet XIX recon bombers and 20 Vickers Vildebeest torpedo bombers go Republican. Most of the Nieuport-Delage Ni.D.52 biplane fighters go Republican (40 Repub, 9 Nat’l).
The Spanish Loyalist government buys 12 million francs worth of aircraft, including 14 Dewoitine D.371 and 10 D.373 parasol-wing fighters, and 49 Potez Po.540 medium bombers.
Malraux raises money and buys a squadron of Potez Po.540 bombers to form the Escuadrilla Espana. Based in Madrid, manned by warriors and intellectuals from all over Europe, they are colorful - but not very effective. By December, having lost half their aircraft, they are absorbed into the Republican Air Force.
Germany sends 10 Ju52s to airlift Franco’s Spanish Legion troops from Morocco to Spain· .
Italy sends a squadron of CR.32 fighters as escort for the two freighters sent to help move the Spanish Legion from Morocco to Spain.
Aug-36
After sending several dozen aircraft, France cuts off further arms shipments to Republican Spain.
10 Ju52/3m and 6 He51 were established at Tablada airfield near Sevilla as part of a German volunteer detachment, ostensibly to train Spanish pilots to fly the new equipment. The Germans call their Spanish adventure Operation Feuerzauber (Magic Fire).
An Italian squadron flying Fiat C.R.32 fighters was set up but without the pretense. A squadron of Savoia bombers (SM.81s?) fly into Sevilla. A squadron on Caproni Ca.135s fly into Sevilla; they are used in the north.
In the first few weeks, several combat sorties were flown. Among the pilots who claimed victories over Republican aircraft were two Spanish pilots: Joachim Garcia Morata (40) and Julio Salvador Diaz-Benjumea (24). (The number in parentheses is the claimed total for the war.) Flying He51's, they encountered a variety of enemy aircraft.
It is certain that more than one Breguet XIX did not return from an encounter with an He 51 during August 1936, but victories over other types are less clear.
By August's end, the Germans and their Spanish "trainees" had moved to Escalona del Prado, near Madrid. By now, the pretense was dropped and the German volunteers started flying combat sorties. Herwig Knuppel (8), Kraft Eberhardt (7), and Hannes Trautloft (5) initiated their scores.
Flying a Republican bomber over the Nationalist Northern Army was fast becoming an unhealthy proposition.
Sept-36
9 He 51s based at Caceres.
After the defeat of a Republican invasion force, an Italian fighter sqdn is stationed in Majorca. Throughout the war, Italian air and naval units operate from Majorca.
After scoring four kills, Morato got himself transferred to the Italian squadron.
The Fiat CR 32 was widely regarded as the best fighter in the Spanish skies so the attraction was self-evident despite a clear antipathy between Italian and Spanish officials.
Morato scored 36 more victories while flying the Fiat. In the ensuing weeks his example would be followed by several of the more talented Spanish pilots.
Oct-36
The German Kondor Legion’s air unit is 36-48 He51s (JGr88), 48 Ju52s (KGr88), a seaplane sqdn, a recon sqdn (18x He70s), and an experimental sqdn. Other units include 6 batteries of AAA. The Italians have several fighter and bomber squadrons.
The Republicans received an infusion of about 50 Russian aircraft. SB-2 Katuska bombers began operations before the month was out, and I-15 Chatos scored their first kill on November 4, 1936 against a Ju-52. The Soviets eventually send several hundred aircraft.
Nov-36
Russian/Republican units clash with German and Italians. See the November, 1936 scenarios.
Germans start to bomb Madrid.
Dec-36
A squadron of I-15s are stationed in Bilbao.
Jan-Feb '37
Germany adds He-111Bs, Do17Fs, and Me109Bs for ‘field testing.’
Italy add S.M 79s.
France sneaks in 20 Loire 46 fighters (on par with the Polish PZL P.11).
Mar-37
In response to a Nationalist advance on Madrid using Italian troops, the Republicans added ground support missions - with devastating effects on the Italian ground units.
Nationalist attention shifts to Basque Spain. A wide swath of northern Spain was Republican, from Bilboa to Oviedo. The Nationalists began a series of offensives, each aimed taking a major northern port and its surrounding area.
40 aircraft new aircraft are added to Mola’s Nationalist Army of the North. He goes into action with 120 aircraft, including the Kondor Legion and the Legione Aviazione.
Late in March, Durango, an otherwise defenseless town, is bombed.
Apr-37
The Guernica raid occurs (German He-111Bs and Ju52s bomb the militarily insignificant town of Guernica solely as a terror action, destroying it. A fresh wave hits the town every 20 minutes for three hours.)
Kondor Legion is upgraded:
Bf109B-1 introduced in small numbers (eventially replace 2 of three fighter squadrons of J/88; He51s given to Nationalist Spain); He111B-2 replaces 2 Ju52 bomber squadrons in K/88; 18 Do17Fs replace the surviving 12 He70s (given to Spain);
Jun-37
Soviets send updated designs (I-152 and I-16 Type10).
Jul-37
Battle of Brunete (a Republican attempt to relieve pressure on Madrid). Republicans commit 150 aircraft - and lose 100 of them. The Nationalists lose 23.
The Bf109Bs are included in the Nationalist flight line.
Aug-37
Republicans have some 470 aircraft against about 350 Nationalist aircraft. However, Nationalists are still better trained. (Not clear if these numbers include the Kondor Legion and the Legione Aviazione).
18 Russian fighters and 15 older fighters and bombers defend Santander.
Nov-37
Germany and Italy add one kette of Ju87A (for testing), 5 Ju86D-1, a squadron He111E-3s and some Fiat BR.20s.
Apr-38
He51s and Meridonali Ro.37bis provide good ground support to Nationalist offensives.
May-38 Basque areas are completely undefended from the air. They are bombed constantly.
Summer '38
Soviet airmen are phased out, taking the most experienced pilots flying for the Republicans. Heavy losses in July.
Oct-38
5 Ju87B-1s added to K/88 for field testing.
Jan-39 Fiat G.50s and Bf109E-1s receive ‘field testing.’
Republicans on the wane
Feb-39
Republicans down to 40 aircraft for the Army of the Center; by the 3rd week, the full Republican air force is “3 sqdns of Natacho bombers, 2 sqdns of Katiuska (SB-2) bombers, 25 fighters.”
The Nationalists have some 600 aircraft.
Mar-39
The final Republicans surrender. As the Germans leave, they hand over to the Spanish Air Force their surviving equipment.
source here (http://world.std.com/~Ted7/tlspain.htm)
FRANK G. TINKER
One and not the only , of the americans fought at the side of the Republican Government in Spain in the Civil War 1936-39 , was Frank Tinker. It is said that he was the first american fighter pilot to shoot down a Messerschmit german aircraft .
The foreign pilots involved in the Spanish civil war were ‘mercenaries’ but most of them sympathisers of the republican cause which is to be interpreted as an anti-fascist attitude rather than a pro-communist one . This is the case with Tinker . The Italians and Germans fighting on the other side for Franco were merely enlisted , professional military airmen . Tinker was not .
Between the 7th and 29th of July 1937 he flew for 191 hours and shot down 8 aircraft . On the 14th he flies a Polikarpov I-15 biplane named by the Spaniards as "chato" ( The Donkey ) registered CA-056 . He is shooting down an Italian Fiat CR-32 biplane over Guadalajara . This is repeated again next day . On the 17th he escorts bombers and flying with the CA-058 he shoots down a german He-51 biplane that belonged to the Legion Condor commanded by Air Marshal Richtofen ( cousin of the famous Red Baron )
He is later detached to the newly organised 1st Squadron of Moscas equipped with the new monoplanes I-16 - named 'moscas' ( the Flies ) for the noise of their engine
On the 2nd of June over Segovia again escorting bombers he shoots down on the CM-070 another CR-32 then again another few hours later .
On the 12th his group detects the existence of a new monoplane german fighter . It is the Bf109 that attacks a lonely I-15 . Tinker attacks on his CM-023 and he sees clearly one Bf109 going down on flames . The first time an American is shooting down a Messerschmit . Next morning he shoots down another CR-32 over Brunette .
On August 1938 Tinker leaves Spain forever to the USA . He faces however problems with his entry as the Foreign Affairs tell him he has violated an ‘instruction’ of his country for people not to join the fighting parties in the civil war . He feels he is not really ‘accepted’ at home . His life continues in misery and when in April 1939 Franco announces his total victory he decides to terminate his life few weeks later .
Later , after the end of WW2 , he was recognised in USA as a 'gallant' american fighter for liberty
source here (http://imansolas.freeservers.com/Aces/FrankTinker.htm)
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A few more links (I've got way too many ;))
CABALLEROS DEL AIRE (http://www.aire.org/gce/)
Polikarpov I-15 (Chato) in the Spanish Civil War (http://boozers.fortunecity.com/lolos/226/iindex.htm)
Polikarpov I-16 Mosca in the Spanish Civil War (in Spanish) (http://usuarios.tripod.es/SANMARCA/)
AVIONES DE LA GUERRA CIVIL ESPAÑOLA (http://usuarios.tripod.es/mrval/)
I-15, TsKB-3 by N.N.Polikarpov (http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/i-15.html)
Potez 54 (http://www.geocities.com/spain_potez/)
SB, A.A.Arhangelsky/A.N.Tupolev (http://ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/sb.html)
Aircraft that took part in the Spanish Civil War (http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html)
Espada on American Volunteers in the 1936-1939 Spanish Civil War (http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/espada/spanish.htm)
Warships of the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) (http://burete.forodigital.es/uphm/mgl/buques/spanishcivwar.htm)
Flyers of Fortune: (http://www.libs.uga.edu/flyers/)
Insígnies d'esquadrons (http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/5129/logos.htm)
Galland interview (http://www.thehistorynet.com/WorldWarII/articles/1997/0197_text.htm)
From the Spanish Civil War to the Fall of France: Luftwaffe Lessons Learned and Applied (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p133_Oppenheimer.html)
Soviet Fighter on Three Fronts In the years before World War II, Russia's Evgeny Stepanov flew against the Germans over Spain and fought the Japanese over Khalkin Gol. (http://www.thehistorynet.com/AviationHistory/articles/0795_text.htm)
[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/AARG/images/PolikarpovI-16-1.jpg)
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Hi Arlo,
Here there is other based real SCW fighter group web (virtual squadron :) )
geocities.com/grupo21_fare
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Hola Arlo,
Aqui tienes otra web basada en un grupo de caza real de la GCE (la web es de un escuadron virtual)
geocities.com/grupo21_fare
Necro_v
Grupo 21 de las FARE (virtuales :))
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Don't be fooled, you guys....
Arlo only wants this because he's a closet Fascist, and he'll demand you all salute him as he enters the arena.
Trust me, it's a fact!
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Hi my name is gunhog and iam 14..i flew one of those old planes in the american revolution!I gote a pink heart too!
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Hei, I like the spanish civil war idea. It would be something never recreated in the Online Flightsim envrmnt (Luftwaffe Comander had a spanish campagn, but I dont think LC ever went online). There is many intresting planes too fly in this period, like I-153 and I-16. :p
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Hola, Necro!
Thanks for the link. There are a few of us trying to organize a website devoted to a Spanish Civil War sim or the adoption of a SCW arena by an existing sim.
SCWMOFS (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/index.html)
It's still very much under constrution and anyone wanting to join in on the project is more than welcome.
Originally posted by necro_v:
Hi Arlo,
Here there is other based real SCW fighter group web (virtual squadron :) )
geocities.com/grupo21_fare
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Hola Arlo,
Aqui tienes otra web basada en un grupo de caza real de la GCE (la web es de un escuadron virtual)
geocities.com/grupo21_fare
Necro_v
Grupo 21 de las FARE (virtuales :))
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ROFL! I only want the sheep to salute. ;)
Originally posted by Seeker:
Don't be fooled, you guys....
Arlo only wants this because he's a closet Fascist, and he'll demand you all salute him as he enters the arena.
Trust me, it's a fact!
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Exactly! Right on! :)
Originally posted by Wutz:
Hei, I like the spanish civil war idea. It would be something never recreated in the Online Flightsim envrmnt (Luftwaffe Comander had a spanish campagn, but I dont think LC ever went online). There is many intresting planes too fly in this period, like I-153 and I-16. :p
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Originally posted by Arlo:
ROFL! I only want the sheep to salute. ;)
That isn't what sheep are used for, Cuz...
Aub
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Very cool Arlo. I had actually researched alot on the SCW to make an arena using targetware software, but that's alot of work. All I really want is an He-112B :) Thanks for all of the links, they should prove useful. Did you pick up the 'Classic Publications, Classic Colours series, Luftwaffe colours, Volume one Section 2, Jagdwaffe' on the 'Spanish Civil War'?. The authors are Eric Mombeek with J. Richard Smith & Eddie J. Creek. The last two names you may know from Monogram Publications. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the Spanish Civil War.
[ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Sundog ]
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I've had friends suggest that route. Glad to see another who shares in this interest.
The book you suggest sounds like some good material. I've a huge list of books that a friend up in Michigan sent me that has TONS of books (he has in his possession. Sometime when I'm feeling energetic I may list them (or get lazy and go use a friend's scanner).
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Hi Arlo,
Thanks by your link. It shows an interesting idea.
In fact, I-16 is really flyable in one simulator (email me and i´ll tell you about it) and i hope it (I-16) will can flyable in Il-2.
However both simulator havent SCW scenary :(.
Necro_v
Grupo 21 de las FARE
geocities.com/grupo21_fare
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(http://members.es.tripod.de/mrval/CR32_NX1.JPG)
(http://members.es.tripod.de/mrval/YPC64A.JPG)
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SAVOIA MARCHETTI SM79 SPARVIERO
http://homepages.msn.com/Terminus/mrvalverde/SM79_GX1.JPG (http://homepages.msn.com/Terminus/mrvalverde/SM79_GX1.JPG)
http://homepages.msn.com/Terminus/mrvalverde/RHM2E112.JPG (http://homepages.msn.com/Terminus/mrvalverde/RHM2E112.JPG)
*ShruG* sometimes it works - sometimes it don't These didn't - gotta do the ol' browser cut-n-paste - they're worth it ;)
[ 11-01-2001: Message edited by: Arlo ]
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Ummmm, killing pinko studmuffingot international communists in Spain!!! Outstanding good fun! :)
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It's the studmuffingot ones you really have to watch out for .... they always seem to find a way behind you. And it's hard to sneak up on someone when they sit backwards in their cockpit.
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MEDICAL EXAMINATION
At the San Sadurní de Noya fighter pilot training school the students were rather bored. To relieve their boredom, with the Director's agreement they set up a neat little initiation ceremony for the new intake. A group of veterans set themselves up as the "Medical Reception" team and without more ado dressed up in the typical white coats, with stethoscopes and books of notes. Even girls from the School admin section dressed up in white nurses' uniforms.
A complete fake medical team to receive a bunch of keen rookies.The first rookie stepped up."Doctor Lorente" examined his chest, all the time grimacing horribly.The "Medical Team" observed the "patient", worried expressions on their faces.The new arrival's expression was one of total surprise. He had passed all the medical tests and they had found nothing wrong. He couldn't understand it.
-"Aha, you've got a swollen laryngopulmonic traphagus" - exclaimed the "Doctor".
-"I agree, captain. He shows all the signs of wind in the head from heading into wind".
-"Is it serious, Doctor?"- asked the student.
-"We'll find out later on. Sit on the bed and sing us a nice folk song or something".
-"I can't sing, Doctor".
-"It doesn't matter, even if you're a lousy singer, sing something, anything at all, because I have to measure your Alpha rythmic sonic mnemonic while you sing".
-"Very well, Doctor".
The poor lad droned out an old Asturian song.While he sang the "Medical Reception Team" frantically took a mountain of notes.Then came all sorts of physical exercises. Theoretical parachute jumps and drinking two pints of water were tests which formed another part of the "medical examination". And all done naked.The best bit for sure was when a "sergeant" came in with a sorrowful look on his face, stood to attention and said:
-"Doctor, another student has just killed himself"
And the "Doctor" replied solemnly:
-"That makes five this morning. This isn't a flying training school. It's a slaughterhouse".
The rookie's expression was a sight to see. Eventually the joke reached its finale with all the other students and permanent staff coming in, each wielding a pillow and letting fly at everybody else. Suddenly the rookie realised that it was all a joke and joined in the fun, completely forgetting that he was in his "birthday suit" and there were girls around.
Three or four times the prank ended with everyone, veterans and rookies, some fully clothed and others not, in the pond of the main square.Then the real Director turned up, along with the nursing staff and the genuine Doctor, and they all shared in the delight at receiving some new students.
(From "Alas Gloriosas" Nº 25. Author: A. J. Escoriguel "Kery".)
Airman's Tales (Knights of the Air) - SCW (http://www.aire.org/gce/english/anecdotes/menu_ane.htm)
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With all this talk about scenarios, scenario groups, scenario settings ... and such .... anybody else here into the SCW?
Sure, it'd take a bit of modeling. I bet HT and Pyro would if there was enough interest behind it.
I'm sure it could be interesting but I'd like to see them get WWII figured out first. :)
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Allies won, Axis lost. (J/K) Looks like HT and co. pretty well have it workin'. Sure it could use some more. Hope you don't mind my lookin' ahead. :)
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Arlo, I'm interested in SCW and early WW2. Not currently flying in AH (am a WB'er) but desperately looking for a game that gives better gameplay and a better early-war planeset (BoB with no Heinkels and Dorniers?! No Reggia Aeronautica? No Russia ground attack? No British medium/heavy bombers? Almost no night action?)
WBIII might one day be very, VERY good, but it's far from there yet, and recent experience of scenario games in there shows WB2 still flies and plays better. (Serious visibility issues, plus WBIII terrains have gone the wrong way so far - smaller instead of bigger)
As for new planes, I'm dubious, due to IEN wanting to hold copyright on planes players develop - I already know of some that were withdrawn from being offered because the designers felt they ought to have copyright on their own efforts. Apparently a Sabre has just been released, famous WW2 plane that THAT is... :-}
Not that I'm entirely enamoured of any of the other WW2 sims out ATM. AH - some very nice stuff (love those clouds! View system nice, too), too much late war, not enough early, dislike certain aspects of the FM "feel". WW2OL - vastly upset by the con of asking folk to pay for a product not as stated on the box, plus it hasnt got its first terrain and gameplay system sorted yet. Once it HAS - it should be awesome. Often wondered if CRS intend doing SCW on th second iteration...
It'd be nice to see some of the SCW/WW2 biplanes - CR32 & 42, Gladiator, He51, Hs123, that little Polikarpov the Russians had, plus the bomber version of the Ju52, the Ju86, Do23, Rata early 109s... I've just never understod why a company with a good basic WW1 product and a good basic WW2 product never thought to fill the gap in the middle... - and as for going post WW2, why not Shooting Stars and Meteors and Vampires, rather than Sabres (so "WW2 and a bit - 1946") could be fought..?
I'd also like to see FW200s and Hurricats in SOMEONE's game... :-}
But aye, get a good SCW setup going, I'll be there if I can, and do my best to interest others in it,too!
Esme
CO, Kampfgeschwader 2 "Holzhammer" (in WB)
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You're defintely a person after my own heart Esme. There's no reason to think we won't someday see this as a reality. I bet, with more people expressing an interest, over time, HT and co. will fill those gaps that some (many?) of us would like to see filled. :)
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Some changes to the "scwmofs" website:
Grupo 21 - Moscas (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/Grupo21mosca.html)
Grupo 26 - Chatos (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/Grupo26.html)
BF-109 / Condor Legion (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/BF109.html)
Campaign maps - 25 mile grid (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/CampaignMaps.html)
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scwmofs update:
Republican Subs (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/RepSubs.html)
Republican Tanks (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/RepTanks.html)
(Essentially a condensed version of Steven J. Zaloga's webpage article)
Nationalist Subs (updated) (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/NatSubs.html)
Nationalist Tanks (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/NatTanks.html)
CR-32 "Chirri" (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/CR-32Chirri.html)
He-51 (http://www.geocities.com/scwmofs/He-51.html)