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Title: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Krusty on August 31, 2017, 08:43:58 AM
I've read at least a few comments on steam about people trying game controllers for AH. I assume they figured that was normal or were just used to more arcade games, and the like.

Has anybody here actually tried that? Does it work? I mean aside from AH recognizing it, can you get enough fine-tuned control to actually get the right inputs to, say... take off? To, say, make a coordinated turn while following a target?

I know I've tried a few more arcade sims on console format and always found the rudder to be very problematic, and the aim point was basically dumbed down to allow for 2-axis flight most of the time. AH doesn't do that so I am wondering if you can even fly properly with one.

Just curious about that.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Skuzzy on August 31, 2017, 08:46:22 AM
The XBox controller, the Rift comes with, is actually pretty good.  The resolution on the sticks has significantly improved over previous generations.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Drano on August 31, 2017, 09:05:14 AM
I fly with Lazer a lot and he flies with a mouse. Honestly I don't know how he does it! I guess you could train yourself to get used to anything. I've been with HOTAS so long there'd be no going back now. Of course I still suck so it ain't helping me!

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Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Krusty on August 31, 2017, 09:05:38 AM
Yeah, the one I was thinking of would have been a dual shock PS3 controller. That would make sense that they've improved. I have an XB1 but haven't really tried any flight sims on it. I have a PC for that, and it's so much better.

Good to know.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: haggerty on August 31, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
I was very successful as a tanker back when I used a controller, flying sucked though, bombers were ok.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Lazerr on August 31, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
I fly with Lazer a lot and he flies with a mouse. Honestly I don't know how he does it! I guess you could train yourself to get used to anything. I've been with HOTAS so long there'd be no going back now. Of course I still suck so it ain't helping me!

Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk

Too many hours in here....

A controller sounds miserable though.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 31, 2017, 11:52:27 AM
The best game pad for playing Aces High is the Xbox One Elite controller.  I've used previous Xbox controllers through the years testing them out in AH and they've actually worked pretty good but with the Elite controller, it comes with four paddles in addition to the stock button configuration and is fully programmable through an app if you have Windows 10.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: redcatcherb412 on August 31, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
I've used the Logitech dual-action gamepad for years. My preference is for the thumbsticks. I have a full joystick but since I mainly GV found it was better with the thumbsticks for precise control.  Whatever works for you is always best.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: icepac on August 31, 2017, 12:23:48 PM
I spend time on consoles making them work with keyboard, mouse, sticks, and steering wheels.

Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 31, 2017, 12:51:23 PM
I spend time on consoles making them work with keyboard, mouse, sticks, and steering wheels.

That's really nothing special since the current consoles (and last gen consoles) already support external devices like keyboards, mouse, joysticks, steering wheels, etc.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Krusty on August 31, 2017, 02:00:56 PM
I did that a number of times but it wasn't worth it because the game design and coding wasn't meant from the start for, say, a mouse+keyboard as compared to a thumbstick to aim. It meant subtle things like response times and scaling curves were all wrong and motion didn't seem responsive on the keyboard. It just wasn't created from the ground up in mind with those controls and the input overall suffered because of it.

That, and if I'm setting up a table for a mouse and keyboard I'm just going to go use the computer which is already set up on one. If I'm on the console I'll use the controller, just because that's part of the console experience. Sitting on a couch/seat and enjoying a game in the living room (or wherever you have yours set up).
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: icepac on August 31, 2017, 03:11:17 PM
That's really nothing special since the current consoles (and last gen consoles) already support external devices like keyboards, mouse, joysticks, steering wheels, etc.

Not the current consoles.

Maybe a couple of wheels and mouse/keyboard will plug in but most games won't allow them to function in game except to send messages.

Check out the forum threads about what must be done to get a working mouse/keyboard/stick setup on either xbox one or PS4.

It's a lot of configuring as well as often buying a product like the xim4.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Mano on August 31, 2017, 06:12:56 PM
I have not tried GV'ing with a controller yet, but I'm sure it will work just fine.

 :salute
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 31, 2017, 06:33:34 PM
Not the current consoles.

Maybe a couple of wheels and mouse/keyboard will plug in but most games won't allow them to function in game except to send messages.

Check out the forum threads about what must be done to get a working mouse/keyboard/stick setup on either xbox one or PS4.

It's a lot of configuring as well as often buying a product like the xim4.

Again, it's not hard to do at all.  Like you said, all that is needed is Xim 4 adaptor to make keyboard+mouse work on any PS4 game.  You can go the pain the butt way and modify your PS4 Dualshock 4 controller but why do that when all you need is an adaptor? 
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: icepac on August 31, 2017, 07:15:47 PM
You implied that they supported keyboards and mice natively.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 31, 2017, 08:30:46 PM
You implied that they supported keyboards and mice natively.

Quite a few games do, as support is dependent on the developer, not the console.  A quite few of our games, like FFXIV, have native support for keyboard+mouse.  I think War Thunder also has native support for mouse+keyboards.  For those games that don't, again, it's a simple solution by getting an adapter that adds support keyboard+mouse support to any PS4 game.

What I am saying is that it's no major feet or big deal for someone to get a keyboard+mouse to work in any PS4 game.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: icepac on August 31, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
Have you done it?
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 31, 2017, 09:59:53 PM
Have you done it?

Yes.  I have a Xim4 adapter on my PS4 Pro at work, and I've also managed our TQA team in testing out the Xim4 adapter for some of our titles that don't have native support for KB+Mouse on current and last gen consoles.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: icepac on September 01, 2017, 07:49:35 PM
Then you know it's not super easy even with the xim.

Now the chronus max is harder but actually has quite a bit of custom configuring you can do.

Try to get mouse/keyboard/joystick/wheel to work on GTA V on xbox one and it get's exponentially harder.
Title: Re: Anybody ever play AH with a game controller? Is that even practical?
Post by: Mongoose on September 01, 2017, 08:50:44 PM
  Interesting topic. I personally think that joystick is the only way to go with Aces High.  But I know of at least one potential recruit who would start with a game controller, because that's all he knows.