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Title: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Triton08 on September 27, 2017, 12:36:51 AM
This plane was responsible for the most tonnage of ships sunk in the Pacific theater. Over 2,000 were built.

Just another step to completing the naval strike force.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/3c82ab231d8f9c2a666dd881abfc13f4.jpg)

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Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Vraciu on September 27, 2017, 01:58:37 AM
I've always loved the Helldiver.   I prefer the original CAF scheme on it with the yellow prop hub.   Oh well.

They finally managed to get some doors for the mains.   Some other group is restoring one and worked out a deal to make an extra set for the Rebels.  :)
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Zimme83 on September 27, 2017, 05:17:51 AM
Im pretty sure the SBD sunk more ships..
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Triton08 on September 27, 2017, 06:47:37 AM
Im pretty sure the SBD sunk more ships..
According to the CAF, it's sunk the most tonnage not number of ships then any aircraft in the Pacific theater.

http://sb2chelldiver.com

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Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Zimme83 on September 27, 2017, 07:19:10 AM
It seems like the SBD:s sunk more ships and the SB2c sunk more tonnage. But since im team SDB i say that the difference is that the SBD did the hard work war ships while the Helldiver killed merchant ships.. Not that it really matters. The more plane we get the better, even if i doubt that the Helldiver would be that popular, it still slow (slower than a Brewster) and less maneuverable than the SBD. The cannons and the bomb load makes it more attractive but A F6f or a Hog can carry about the same loadout so they will still be the planes of choice for ground attack sorties from CV:s
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: puller on September 27, 2017, 07:41:02 AM
+1

More dive bombers  :aok
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: oboe on September 27, 2017, 09:18:47 AM
+1 for the Beast!
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: ONTOS on September 27, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
I don't care one way or another.        I have read that the pilots did not like the Helldiver for some reason.   :headscratch:
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Mister Fork on September 27, 2017, 03:20:08 PM
I don't care one way or another.        I have read that the pilots did not like the Helldiver for some reason.   :headscratch:
Mostly due to teething problems when it was first introduced - nothing out of the ordinary other than there were A LOT of issues when it first became operational. A lot.

That said, once they worked out the bugs, pilots accepted their fate - it's no Dauntless, but it'll do the job.
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: mthrockmor on September 27, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
Years ago I met an old man who flew these birds. He claims he dropped a 1k bomb on a CV, though I can't remember which battle. I had zero reason to not believe him. In Any case, he told me the real nickname for the SB2C, Son of a squeak, 2nd Class. Haha

Great conversation.

Boo

Note: I didn't use the word squeak. He didn't either. Sheesh
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Nefarious on September 27, 2017, 03:54:00 PM
+1

Also a nudge for the D4Y, the Japanese plane set needs much more help at the moment.
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: EagleDNY on September 27, 2017, 06:40:30 PM
+1

Also a nudge for the D4Y, the Japanese plane set needs much more help at the moment.

+1 Judy Judy Judy!   
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: ONTOS on September 28, 2017, 12:23:50 PM
 Please,  the Judy +1
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Vraciu on September 28, 2017, 01:03:10 PM
Mostly due to teething problems when it was first introduced - nothing out of the ordinary other than there were A LOT of issues when it first became operational. A lot.

That said, once they worked out the bugs, pilots accepted their fate - it's no Dauntless, but it'll do the job.

It was far more capable than the Dauntless overall.   But that came wth some tradeoffs in some areas.   I think the Beast was just a victim of time, technology, tactics, and initial design requirements.     
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Vraciu on September 28, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Judy.   I shot down six of those in eight minutes.  It's true.   :old:
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: 27th on September 28, 2017, 01:09:08 PM
I agree. Yes!  :aok

 :salute

27th
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Arlo on September 28, 2017, 01:35:52 PM
For event balance/gap filling. The PAC theater needs a later model torp plane for the Japanese and the U.S. needs an earlier one.

(http://www.findmodelkit.com/sites/default/files/c6_11.jpg)

(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/767/pics/3_7_b1.jpg)
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Mister Fork on September 29, 2017, 11:14:30 AM
It was far more capable than the Dauntless overall.   But that came with some tradeoffs in some areas.   I think the Beast was just a victim of time, technology, tactics, and initial design requirements.     
It was indeed. Trying to remember my Weapons of Warfare comments - initial son-of-a-beeoch-2 complaints were poor slow speed and taxi handling, poor engine power band, tighter cockpit design, inaccurate fuel gauges, weird tail gunner design, and all these faults during the first couple of months drove the pilots and ground crews to hate the Helldiver at first. But it's a faster, better dive bomber than the Dauntless - more options, internal bombay. The new engine and prop seems to iron out most complaints after they modified the tail, internal gauges, some of the control cabling, and other tweaks worked into the SB2C-4 variant.

Would be nice to have it! :aok
Title: Re: SB2C-4 Helldiver
Post by: Zimme83 on September 29, 2017, 11:46:49 AM
It was underpowered, had less range than the SBD and bad flying characteristics, most of the issues were fixed with the later models. By the time they entered service in larger numbers the tide had already turned so it never had a chance to shine. The SBD was not any uber plane but it was a simple, reliable aircraft capable of doing the job when it was most needed. The Swordfish and the Hurricane are 2 other planes in that category.

The helldiver would be a nice add to the game but still, "faster than the SBD" doesnt really mean anything, the helldiver would be a turkey shoot for pretty much every fighter just like the other dive bombers.