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Title: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 30, 2017, 03:48:03 PM
Not sure if this is due directly to the last patch. During a duel the plane literally freezes in the sky. It happened about 20 times last night to a few of us. You can bail out and hit .ef, the game still thinks the plane is in motion, but it's literally frozen on the screen.

Let me take this time to please beg you to work on the Match Play arena situation. Allow people to choose their opponent. Make a separate fighter bowl arena with 30 players max. Many people can't handle the MA right away and small combat areas go a long way. The best way to attract these new steam players is putting them in a mosh pit to learn the game and planes.

Thank you!!
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Zoney on September 30, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
Wasn't it great flying in the Combat Challenge last night Violater?  Nothing but furballs, you must have been in heaven, everything you keep wishing for eh?
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 30, 2017, 08:11:37 PM
Wasn't it great flying in the Combat Challenge last night Violater?  Nothing but furballs, you must have been in heaven, everything you keep wishing for eh?

Yes it was actually. My favourite event! Allied had a hard time as usual. Allied has a hard time because they aren't patient and don't know how to keep their speed and or alt. Maybe you should show them something about that haha!! Tough plane selection last night. 

I'd like to see more promotion on AH (the game) for all the events that month. Many people don't even realise they are going on nor do they know to plan for them.
I actually think there should be more Combat challenges.

I'd like a fighter bowl similar to CC but with no teams and closer area to fight in.

Was a lot of fun!
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 01, 2017, 02:48:54 AM
Let me take this time to please beg you to work on the Match Play arena situation. Allow people to choose their opponent.

-1. MPA is a public arena. I often wait for hours for an opponent. What you're proposing would have me locked out of the queue. That's unreasonable.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 01, 2017, 01:41:08 PM
-1. MPA is a public arena. I often wait for hours for an opponent. What you're proposing would have me locked out of the queue. That's unreasonable.

It's unreasonable to choose who you want to fight against in the closest thing resembling the DA?  :headscratch:

That's why FFA bowl would work better for random fighting occurrence. You can't even pick your own team in match play. That's a problem. How are squads suppose to fight each other?
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 01, 2017, 01:59:07 PM
It's unreasonable to choose who you want to fight against in the closest thing resembling the DA?  :headscratch:

It doesn't resemble the DA. Just re-uses the map. MPA a totally new entity.


That's why FFA bowl would work better for random fighting occurrence.

At dissimilar energy states. ^ this resembles the old furbal lake. Which you apparently also didn't like.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 01, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
It doesn't resemble the DA. Just re-uses the map. MPA a totally new entity.


At dissimilar energy states. ^ this resembles the old furbal lake. Which you apparently also didn't like.

So by that standpoint AH no longer has a DA? Or a place where I can choose who I want to fight against... It would be much more beneficial to be able to choose teams and chose who to fight.

About the DA lake.
-Poor design and boring atmosphere.
-The water was horrible when AH3 opened and no one wanted to play there without depth perception
-it was team based and should have been 1 side only, it reduces ganging and allows all the players to fight each other. It allows for all the players to communicate easier.
-should have made random airspawns. It reduces vulching and hoarding the bases.
-needs a better scenery.


These are all reasons why the DA didn't build up steam. Id love a place where I can find quick fighter action without taking it too seriously and spending 15 minutes per each sortie.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Lusche on October 01, 2017, 04:59:16 PM
So by that standpoint AH no longer has a DA?

Exactly.


Or a place where I can choose who I want to fight against... It would be much more beneficial to be able to choose teams and chose who to fight.

Setting up a custom arena is really quick.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 01, 2017, 06:22:12 PM
Exactly.


Setting up a custom arena is really quick.


And you think thats a good thing?

You think I can just leave my computer on all day?
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Lusche on October 01, 2017, 06:26:51 PM
You think I can just leave my computer on all day?


Why would you have to? You want to do some duels with someone specific - make an arena. Takes a minute, at most. If your're done, just leave. Arena closes after the last one went away. Wanna duel again couple hours later? Make an arena. Takes a minute, again.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 01, 2017, 06:35:59 PM

Why would you have to? You want to do some duels with someone specific - make an arena. Takes a minute, at most. If your're done, just leave. Arena closes after the last one went away. Wanna duel again couple hours later? Make an arena. Takes a minute, again.

Lusche, that sounds all great in theory. There was a great map for that in AH2, which is now gone. This will take too long for a new member. They don't know this stuff. They wont waste their time. A standard arena already set up and available 24/7 is the way to go. Just remod the Steal the Sheep Map and make it a Free for all with airspawns. Easy fix for AH that will go a long way.

I dont know why its such a big deal. The MA alone isnt going to capture every single new player... theres a lot of room for opportunity here. I wish the old maps from AH2 would come back and people would have H2H arenas... I dont know why people dont do it anymore... I just dont have the time to keep an arena running. There needs to be a free fight arena.. I dont know why its so hard to understand.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: hgtonyvi on October 01, 2017, 07:13:37 PM
Its an old bud Violator.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 01, 2017, 08:40:02 PM
Its an old bud Violator.

an old bud?
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 02, 2017, 01:00:37 AM
Lusche already answered the other points exactly as I would have  :)


These are all reasons why the DA didn't build up steam.

The DA lake had a thriving community of round the clock action which started to decline a few years ago. My impression was the global decline of players hit there first since there's nothing else to do but air-to-air combat.

I honestly don't see the additional merit of your fighter bowl thing. Perhaps it's just me. Sorry.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 02, 2017, 01:06:45 AM
Lusche already answered the other points exactly as I would have  :)


The DA lake had a thriving community of round the clock action which started to decline a few years ago. My impression was the global decline of players hit there first since there's nothing else to do but air-to-air combat.

I honestly don't see the additional merit of your fighter bowl thing. Perhaps it's just me. Sorry.


Well aren't you both European? Case in point.  :D

I honestly dont understand how you can even be against such an arena..  An awesome terrain will go a long way.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 02, 2017, 03:41:23 AM
Well aren't you both European? Case in point.  :D

I do not understand this comment. If it was an devaluation you therefore got away with it.


I honestly dont understand how you can even be against such an arena..  An awesome terrain will go a long way.

Really don't care if I was airspawned over flat unvegetated desert or the sea as far as you can see. Who exactly are you trying to pitch this idea to?

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 02, 2017, 01:51:27 PM
I do not understand this comment. If it was an devaluation you therefore got away with it.


Really don't care if I was airspawned over flat unvegetated desert or the sea as far as you can see. Who exactly are you trying to pitch this idea to?

It was supposed to be a joke that all Europeans think the same lol.

Hitech, considering that the match play needs work and to go ahead and fix this aspect to AH in order to retain more players.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: hitech on October 02, 2017, 02:18:57 PM
Ran a few test in the match play, I could not duplicate the issue, how many people were in the arena?

HiTech
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 02, 2017, 03:14:41 PM
Not sure if this is due directly to the last patch. During a duel the plane literally freezes in the sky. It happened about 20 times last night to a few of us. You can bail out and hit .ef, the game still thinks the plane is in motion, but it's literally frozen on the screen.

Let me take this time to please beg you to work on the Match Play arena situation. Allow people to choose their opponent. Make a separate fighter bowl arena with 30 players max. Many people can't handle the MA right away and small combat areas go a long way. The best way to attract these new steam players is putting them in a mosh pit to learn the game and planes.

Thank you!!

+10000000000000000
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 02, 2017, 03:21:26 PM
Ran a few test in the match play, I could not duplicate the issue, how many people were in the arena?

HiTech

3 of us. It seemed to happened more when I tried to fight the next opponent after the match. So when you tried to fight the 3rd guy sitting in the que, it would freeze as the match was starting. That was the only time I felt a trend. It did happen a few other times.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 02, 2017, 03:30:24 PM
I think a solution that (sounds) fairly easy as a consumer or a "quick fix" just add a dialogue box... "click ok to confirm head to head duel with so and so" though some people could be pesky, it would at least be a temporary solution.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 02, 2017, 03:32:51 PM
Also, I think it'd only be necessary for head to head, as when you have enough people for a 2v2 you pretty much know who you're gonna fight. Haven't been able to get more than 8 so far. But there is an order, as far as 2v2, first and third to join are on a team, second and fourth.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: hitech on October 02, 2017, 04:07:24 PM
Was it related to if you lost fight, you would start next fight, and then maybe happen when your previous opponent exited flight?

HiTech
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 02, 2017, 04:44:09 PM
I think a solution...

You have to first evidence there is a problem.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 02, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Was it related to if you lost fight, you would start next fight, and then maybe happen when your previous opponent exited flight?

HiTech

Maybe it could have been due to that, where the player that won was still in the air, but after thinking about it, I dont think that was directly it. Blinky was there and can confirm that it was happening. It was Blinky, Kr1ck3t, and me. After the fight with Blinky, I'd be back in tower, go back to que to fight Kr1ck3t, it would open the match, sometimes I could see an image of a frozen plane in the sky. I tried to fight Kr1ck3t like 4 times in a row and it froze out each time. Then finally it let us. Idk, was very bizzare.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 02, 2017, 09:21:35 PM
You have to first evidence there is a problem.

Sir... Have you spent much time in the DA? It's mainly just when there's 3-4 people in but they don't want to do 1v1's so you just kinda have to guess who you're going against.. Or when you're dueling with someone and someone else kinda forces there way in (which is almost always okay with me). I should've said suggestion, instead of solution I suppose.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 03, 2017, 01:03:08 AM
It's mainly just when there's 3-4 people in but they don't want to do 1v1's so you just kinda have to guess who you're going against.. Or when you're dueling with someone and someone else kinda forces there way in (which is almost always okay with me). I should've said suggestion, instead of solution I suppose.

Therefore there is no problem with the Match Play Arena, just your perception of it. It's not the DA, it's something different. HTC does not presently provide a public duelling arena. You'd be better off requesting someone updated or made a new version of MickyD's 1-on-1 map. That had airspawns and different starting alts.

If what you propose is implimented in the MPA, then some players could effectively lock others out of playing because they want a private fight. In a public arena. It's an inconsiderate and unreasonable request.

Also, why is it necessary to know who you are fighting in advance?

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 03, 2017, 08:27:26 AM
Irrelevant, as this post is about freezing anyway.
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Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 03, 2017, 08:36:39 AM
Irrelevant, as this post is about freezing anyway.
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Was half about that.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 03, 2017, 09:23:31 AM
Was half about that.

You're very right. Almost forgot, didn't want to hijack lol.

It's just difficult when there's six guys in there, each trying to duel each other and you get in with someone else. Of course I will fight anyone, and it's usually never a problem. However, when you beat someone and they instantly re-up in the queue, it can be a little frustrating at times. Even if it weren't the main-style of the MPA it would be a nice feature to request a fight with someone in particular, along with the head to head queue.

That's also about the only complaint I've heard from most of the people I've managed to drag in there. I 100% prefer the new style MPA over the old DA due to alt tards and long flight times, though it's nice to see who you're up against / fighting with.

Nonetheless, coming from a guy that spends more time in there than the majority of players, (that i can see everyday) it was just a thought.
Why fix it if it ain't broken right?
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: nrshida on October 03, 2017, 09:55:48 AM
However, when you beat someone and they instantly re-up in the queue, it can be a little frustrating at times.

I believe the queue is of the FIFO configuration.

I think a private arena for your desired personal duelling is the intended solution. But you must ask Mr. Tech as he formated the arenas.

Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 03, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
I believe the queue is of the FIFO configuration.

I think a private arena for your desired personal duelling is the intended solution. But you must ask Mr. Tech as he formated the arenas.

Eh.. It's not that drastic. I can barely ever get someone in there anyway, though when I do it can usually go a few hours, especially with a stick like Violator. must be at least 1-100 with him now lol. Slowly learning, which is what I use the DA for the most.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 03, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
I believe the queue is of the FIFO configuration.

I think a private arena for your desired personal duelling is the intended solution. But you must ask Mr. Tech as he formated the arenas.

Why is it so hard for htc to just have a DA room close to Micky's 1v1 arena, a match play, and a FFA open fight arena?  You guys have too much faith that people will just open their own arena. Why is 1v1 fighting being forced out with an opponent you actually want to fight? I understand your Match play logic but it's just not very rational for it to be how it's suppose to be. Like blinky said, what do you do with 6 players in there?
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: Blinky on October 03, 2017, 10:58:44 AM
Also, the only (other) complaint is when there's 3 people... or 5... or 7.. etc. Nobody likes to third wheel. Esepcially when you fight a good stick, which means some fights can go for 5-10 minutes. can't tell you how many times I've invited someone in there, went a few, then someone else would join, we'd fight (for 5-10 minutes) then the odd man would get bored and leave.
Title: Re: MASSIVE FREEZES WITH MATCH PLAY
Post by: hitech on October 03, 2017, 11:02:53 AM
I'm not creating another arena for instant action. You have every ability to dual some one if you wish by creating a 1v1 arena.

Any more post in this thread which are not related to the bug I'm searching for (create a wish list item and discus  if you wish) will be deleted.

HiTech