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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blinky on October 13, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
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After going a few rounds with Glzz in the TA-152 last night, I felt I might start spending a little time in the bird. Any pro tips, strats?
He said something about always draining the aft-fuel though I'm not sure how to do so. Also, I'm not the best E-fighter, as I like to knife fight, which I noticed was possible to an extent. What are your guys opinions on it/recommendations?
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Shift-F toggles through the fuel tanks. If the tank in use is labeled white, it's on auto. When it's yellow, you have selected that particular tank manually and will drain fuel from this tank only.
Be careful with rudder inputs at high AoA, it's easy to fall into a fatal tailslide.
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Learn how to control that honky stall at the top. Its been awhile since ive spent any time in it, so i dont have any specifics. There is a way to get it to turn 180 at the top under quite good control. Ill be on lateeeee night tonight if you around and want to do a couple in the matchplay arena.
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Oh boy my favorite plane ever. I got a little secret to prevent stalls. If your slow IE under 200 mph don’t initiate more than one control at a time. What I mean by that is you don’t want to use rudder at the same time you try and roll over. Anytime you dip the wings below level she gets quirky. I have enough hours in it that a lot of times I’m flying literally on the edge of a stall. It allows you to swing the nose more so than other planes. She’s a blessing and a curse ;)
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Burning AFT fuel is a FW thing. I normally burn the AFT tank down to 1/4 then burn the wings to 1/4 then start burning the Forward tank...which is the one which gets hit most often IMO.
In before someone says you can turn fight it...no you can't out turn other planes unless it's a Typhy ect ect ect...you can use it's ability to hang on a prop combined with its acceleration in a dive to create angles for shots but your best bet is learning to E fight.
E fighting shouldn't be a shunned form of dog fighting...the fact is most people confuse good E fighting for a timid lack of fighting...
The stall in the 152 is something you have to get used to, mainly knowing when it's coming....when you learn the feel of it you will notice everyone who comes in here later talking about rudder has zero clue what they are talking about...yea it might be the answer for real life but for in game with the 152...its just wrong.
You can ride it's stall out if you catch it right when it's starting by pushing your nose down and keeping the plane level, you will be going like 20 IAS in a semi controlled state of flight...causes some overshoot by more maneuverable aircraft but shouldn't be used as your plan to win a fight.
A lot of times you can hide your E very well in a 152 and surprise people with a climb they can't keep up with...thats all about angles though.
It's a fun plane...for sure fun getting it in deep and even more fun fighting multiple Jugs up at 25K+....thats where it's 10 ENT actually comes into play...
Speaking of which why is the TA still a lower ENT then the Yak3???
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I like how ACE, Snailman and I said pretty much the same thing about Rudder input in the stall but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say use a lot of rudder lol
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No! Rudder is this planes death! I use the piss out of it. But once in the wrong situation you’ll tumble down.
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If you're trying to bleed E with full rudder at low speed near the deck, don't do it to the right. It can depart flight if you get too slow with full right rudder and put you into the dreaded flat spin/tail down spin of doom. I've never had it happen bleeding E with left rudder, I can do it on command with right. As mentioned above, be careful with rudder at all times when slow, high AOA.
If you do depart flight at some point and it's floating down like a leaf/falling backwards, here's the best recovery procedure I've found:
Engine OFF (not chopped throttle)
Gear down
Nose forward, rudder and aileron toward whichever side it's yawing towards
Once the nose gets pointed down, gear up and restart engine
Even so, you're going to lose a TON of alt before you get it back.
It doesn't roll like a 190, be aware of that at all times. It does turn better than a Dora at slightly lower speeds, but it's not a "good" turn fighter.
Harsh language from your enemy will give it a radiator leak.
I use it to bomber hunt/BnZ for the most part. It is more capable in an E fight/turn fight than many give it credit for. Use the vertical a lot, same as any German plane.
It will glide forever. If you've got any kind of alt at all, you can usually dead stick home.
Wiley.
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Knife Fight-BREWSTER................ :evil: Love that little bird. 50% fuel, 50 Cals. Zeros even hate you, problem is blacks out the pilot too much and you are NOT going to chase down a Runstang. :old:
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Also blinky learning this plane will teach you so much more than getting slow and popping laps. This plane is what forced me into evolving my flight style. I can do scissor with any plane in this beast. But she prefers the angles. And creating angles will make you so so good in this game ;)
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Wonderful! So much info!
But... I've learned one thing from this post so far.
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Chewie, you're the worst kind of person. LOL
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I forgot to mention one of it's biggest advantages:
WEP.
Ever since AHIII went live and HT introduced the maximum total WEP duration, the Ta-152's already advantageous WEP limits have further risen way above the competition.
Its WEP cycle is 10 minutes of WEP, only 5 minutes cooldown (yes, you get back 2 mins of WEP for every minute cooldown) and a total WEP duration of 40 minutes. Which for most players amounts to 'unlimited'
For comparison, a P-47M has 5 minutes on continuous use, 10 minutes cooldown and 15 minutes total WEP duration. The Ta-152 can easily boost it's way to 25K for an intercept without much worries, where most other planes have to make a choice if they want to climb with WEP or use it in combat.
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I see you're all quite fond of her. That's good to know. I've known a few great sticks in it but I don't see it used very much other than a drop from 20k to right back up. Thank you guys a bunch for all this, I believe I should have enough here, and with what's on the site to at least get going in her. Though learning angles is something I will really have to work on. Maybe even spend some time with a trainer.
Again, thanks guys! And Lazer, I'll probably be on late tonight so I'd definitely be down to a go a few in it, and to anyone else who fells they could show me a thing or two.
<S> all
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I forgot to mention one of it's biggest advantages:
WEP.
Ever since AHIII went live and HT introduced the maximum total WEP duration, the Ta-152's already advantageous WEP limits have further risen way above the competition.
Its WEP cycle is 10 minutes of WEP, only 5 minutes cooldown (yes, you get back 2 mins of WEP for every minute cooldown) and a total WEP duration of 40 minutes. Which for most players amounts to 'unlimited'
For comparison, a P-47M has 5 minutes on continuous use, 10 minutes cooldown and 15 minutes total WEP duration. The Ta-152 can easily boost it's way to 25K for an intercept without much worries, where most other planes have to make a choice if they want to climb with WEP or use it in combat.
THIS! I pretty much always climb out on WEP. Only thing you need to watch is if you think you're going to get engaged at the 10.5-15 minute mark of your sortie.
40 minutes of WEP, 20 minutes of cooldown, to run it right out you'd need to be up for more than 60 minutes to run out of WEP. You can do that without rearming, but you've got to work at it so as Lusche says, pretty much unlimited.
Wiley.
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So you guys run 100% fuel, then drain? drain with drop tank? Orr
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I run 50% and a DT most places.
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Usually 50%+DT when going for lower altitudes and expecting to encounter (and fight) enemy fighters; and 100% with or without DT when hunting high altitude bombers.
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I usually just go with 100%, rarely use DT. The nice thing about the 152 is there's no speed penalty after drop for taking a tank.
Wiley.
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I have too heavy a hand for this plane. It seems to wallow about unless going fast as hell... Great fun if you have above a bomber set though. That's about the only time I'll use it.
Almost impossible to aim/fly if you lose rudder.
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No! Rudder is this planes death! I use the piss out of it. But once in the wrong situation you’ll tumble down.
I'll have to find the thread on the TA152 but like 5 people who never fly the TA but fancy themself a good stick were like "This plane needs a lot of rudder input to avoid the stall"....SMH
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I hate the 152.
They are flown even more timid than the 190D, which is pretty much makes it king wuss (except the 262). I usually dont bother to try and shoot them down, unless I have a massive E advantage and can corner them. Then it is nice to see them stirr the stick and go down in a cloud of debris and panic.
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I can only speak for myself but...
Taking the Ta-152 usually means I'm hunting bombers. That's my mission and trying to dance with fighters only lessens my chance to stop the bombers. I might try for a quick bounce (especially at Jabos), but I tend to avoid anything that might drag me lower.
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Stay high. Stay fast. Thats it.
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Stay high. Stay fast. Thats it.
That’s boring! Stay medium and use your speed and climb rate to create nice angles.
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Absolutely do not put a drop tank on it. The carriage rack adds weight and drag to the aircraft. And honestly 75% fuel gets you 42 min of fuel. No need for drop tanks with current MA.
Also don’t be afraid to use rudder. Just don’t do it under 230 TAS with airleron. IF you do, I hope you are sharp with the throttle. That’s your only chance of not spinning that sloot to the death.
#KillEngine #PullFlapsIn #PutGearOut.
:noid
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On paper a dominant aircraft. Isaac Newton's plane choice if he'd have lived long enough to play AH :old:
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Absolutely do not put a drop tank on it. The carriage rack adds weight and drag to the aircraft.
There is no speed penalty for using a drop tank after you dropped it. The Ta 152H had a permanent special 'low drag' rack, and this is modeled in game. I remember posting the bug report, after which they fixed it. :)
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So you guys run 100% fuel, then drain? drain with drop tank? Orr
I think this page explains the 152 oddities very well, just stick to the recommandations.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Ta_152H
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I think this page explains the 152 oddities very well, just stick to the recommandations.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Ta_152H
There's some good reading on that page. Much information to be obtained there.
Now actually getting that information from my brain and making it work in the game, well that's a bit tricky..
Coogan :airplane:
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There's some good reading on that page. Much information to be obtained there.
Now actually getting that information from my brain and making it work in the game, well that's a bit tricky..
Coogan :airplane:
Just put some hours into it. It’s a tricky plane, but you will learn what you can and can’t do really quick.
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There's some good reading on that page. Much information to be obtained there.
Now actually getting that information from my brain and making it work in the game, well that's a bit tricky..
Coogan :airplane:
most people find a certain amount of success in game and just stick with it when they could do some minor things differently and find huge success in ACM...example A HOers